Marshall Mathers LP - Heath Ledger as The Joker The Blueprint - Robert Downy Jr as Iron Man Both entertaining in their own ways but one is more groundbreaking, more technical, something we'll never see again. That's the best way I can describe why MMLP is better
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638 I disagree but that's just my opinion the mmlp had mor impact on the culture, hell it added a word to it, ofcourse I understand why you would think the blueprint is better, I mean they're both amazing but in my opinion (again MY opinion) mmlp wins by far
Bro ik its been like 7 months but why is a comment section about HIP HOP so civil and its like a "oh was pac a goat ?" Nah this is a who got the better album
I LOVE Blueprint, but MMLP is on another level. They're both classic albums, but MMLP is one of the most impactful albums of all time, not just in hip hop, but music as a whole. Its the MMLP's lyrical display that wound up influencing major players today such as Kendrick and Cole.
Personally I skipped quite a few tracks after my initial listening review. Some of them are a little too cheesy for my taste in hindsight. I am not a fan of joke style raps and I preferred his more personal/serious cuts. If you don’t find some of those tracks corny I can definitely see why it’s more enjoyable.
@@federatedstateskmt1041 you're on something. Under the Influence (obviously disregarding Bizarre's verse because he's a terrible artist) is fire as fuck. Bitch Please 2 is really fucking good too, Em spits a HARD verse and I really think everyone does well, Snoop coulda done better but whatever. And Drug Ballad? The song is all about being addicted to drugs and needing help off of them, its kind of sad in a way. I would understand slips like Kim, that song is fucked up and some cannot handle it, maybe even Amityville for that, once again, terrible Bizarre verse.
Somebody needs to explain to me the "MMLP lyrics have aged poorly" narrative. That is something I've never heard anyone within HipHop say but it's somehow become a narrative on Twitter etc. People must just be looking for a way to discredit this masterpiece. BTW - both Em and Jay are GOATS, legends and in my top 5 of all time. Got love for both.
The production definitely is on some tracks but I don’t know how the lyrics have. I guess you could argue the terminology and style aren’t in line with what we see today for Eminem or other elite artists but that’s pretty much most early 00s rappers. He probably wouldn’t “get away with” the same language but that’s irrelevant to whether the lyrics have aged well. One thing I will say is a lot of the lines on this LP are a little too cheesy or corny for my liking but on the tracks where he’s serious, it’s an all time level performance up there with Jay-Z etc.
I mean they have aged pretty badly. Not just Eminem but in general I think anything that relies on shock value ages horribly because all that’s based on the time it was made, and once time moves on it doesn’t hit the same. It just comes off try hard and corny. Still a classic album and super well made it’s just such a product of its time with the shock value and all the constant dated pop culture references and also just a lot of stuff that looks super corny in retrospect, like the constant nsync/Britney spears disses.
It’s also an album fueled on hate, which is something Eminem has said. Which unless your in the mood for that it just makes it not fun to go back and listen to. Eminem music just reminds me of when I was an edgy 12 year old and that’s not something I want to be reminded of, regardless of if the music is objectively good or not and I think a lot of people feel that same way.
Ehhh, those Pop star disses/references are only in 2 songs - Marshall Mathers and The Real Slim Shady -so I think some people use that as a crutch for that argument. Anyway definitely a classic album. People are gonna always find reasons to tear down art. I’ve heard people say Illmatic is boring so everyone has their opinions I guess. Can’t be mad at it.
When he dropped The MMLP, the entire world moved. And it was a time in Em's career when he made his ridiculously technical rapping seem so easy by combining genius level lyrical content, story telling, and an almost conversational style delivery that made you almost forget that he was rhyming, let alone spitting such high level intricate and complex rhyme schemes. Then, when you factor in what would be some of the greatest comedy and sarcasm ever heard on hip-hop album, it's icing on the cake. There's no debate.
He brought up the album sales for MMLP because it’s impressive that an album with such violent and graphic subject matter could be embraced in a mainstream way.
@@karl9384 na he is not the goat there is nothing he does that rakim or Krs didn’t do better! Lupe fiasco and black thought technically are equally If not better than em but they do not get called goats because they don’t check some other boxes!
@Mudiaga_Vibes neither of the cited artists come close to what em has contributed. If what u say were to be true, then revival would've been a success. But it's easier to blame external forces instead of taking accountability.
FINALLY people who aren’t scared to get heated and talk MUSIC! Would love to hop on the podcast with y’all and talk Eminem. Regardless, thanks for what y’all do! Wish I had someone to talk to about all this haha
Artisty: Eminem Jay-Z has great flows and delivery but honestly nothing he says impresses me. His story's and messages are way more interesting on albums like Reasonable Doubt and The Black album, in fact this album just feels like a career victory lap. But Eminems flows and delivery's were on top form and he was in an interesting place in his career. He doubles down on the controversy, goes personal talking about his drug problems, his mother and his girlfriend all while showing immense technical skills. Production: Blueprint Although MMLP has great production, The Blueprint has some of the greatest hip hop beats of all time. All of the beats here are timeless. Impact: MMLP hands down. When it's all said and done this will stand as THE hip hop album of the early 2000s. Here we have the biggest music star of the 21st century with all eyes on him, after he's been blamed for a tragedy that was felt through the whole country and seeing if he backs down. Not only does he double down on his edgyness, he where's his heart on his sleeve, he talks about his struggles with fame, his family and relationships all while being hungry to prove himself as one of the best rappers of all time.
I think its kind of funny how Ant is defending an album that's not in his top five albums against an album that is in it. Also love the channel keep making more album vs. album videos
This is one is tough because clearly MMLPs lyricism and Ems performance outdoes Jays. But the production on the blueprint blows MMLP out the water. If you wanted to show an alien what hip-hop is an the highest most pristine form of it, then show them the blueprint. But if you want a master in artistry and getting deep into the psyche of an artist, I don’t think any album in any genre gets closer to Em on the MMLP. I have to give it to the MMLP, even though I hold the blueprint to a slightly higher degree because sometimes you aren’t always listening for lyrics and the blueprint is the best at just vibing. Great match up regardless Edit: after Ant’s point of the blueprint being Kanye’s genesis I thought if either album were to be taken away from history, I freaked out and immediately thought of having no Kanye and so it’s the blueprint hands down.
Going with Luca on this for sure, The Marshall Mathers LP a timeless album and every track is unskippable, the production is amazing and have a g-funk flavour from Dre's influences from his previous works on g-funk records, can't see how this'd be a discussion that any of the producers on The Blueprint beat Dr. Dre and Mel-Man, Em's reckless energy and venomous flows flow smoothly and compliment the beats too, the whole album is fun & entertaining to listen to and the concepts of Em's twisted psyche and horrorcore themes is done effortlessly
@@leorodrigues9596 Substance ain't expected so much from Eminem so I don't see what point u tryna make, and nah Kanye is a great producer but ain't no way I'm putting him over Dre I don't see anything corny coming from Em, he's always been authentic as an artist since day one
@@isatherebel1520 Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638not sure how you measure cultural impact. If anything, the term Stan is probably the most significant and tangible piece of pop culture to come from these two albums
I overall like Jay's discography more than Eminem's but I like MMLP more. I had never heard anything like the tracks Stan or Kim before. Not that Jay-Z isn't special too , but early Eminem was truly something new in hip hop and music in those early albums.
it depends on what your values are, mmlp definitely excels in artistry but The Blueprint is one of the best produced rap albums ever, comes down to preference
Love this series guys👏🏼 For me MMLP is clear, Em’s Best album imo:) And The Way I Am is also my favorite song by him and btw would like to see Illmatic in the next one;)
MMLP. And I dont subscribe at all to the fact it hasn't aged well. It sounds amazing to this day. And objectively speaking, its still played more to this day as well
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
Lmao I never knew this was an actual debate I thought about it in my head last year 😂 for me mmlp is the more enjoyable classic because of Em’s humor but The blueprint’s literally the blueprint for how to make a classic
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638 how does that objectively show impact tho? Mmlp completely changed hip hop culture(crazy music videos, humor, extremely vulgar lyrics etc was not popular in hip hop before Eminem) and introduced rap to 95% of white hip hop listeners today , he added a fkn word to the dictionary(Stan)
@@random-tv3hm google definition of impact: have a strong effect on someone or something. mmlp had a strong effect on hiphop and music so how exactly isn't that impact?
I side with Lu on this one based on considering the time frame and content risk Em took with writing MMLP. In my opinion MMLP is an album that only Em could have made verses an album like The Blueprint that could have arguably been duplicated in style by other rappers at that time period.
Mmlp is just classic and legendary one of the best groundbreaking lyrical no skips albums ever made ..its just flawless and on bluprint the best song eminem gave jay for renegade em at this time is just untouchable i like jay alot but this isnt a debate mmlp over blueprint
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Blueprint for me. It helped kanye who have a goat category and a billionaire like jay z himself. It sparked nas back into beast mode. Being wordy as a wordsmith doesn't mean you a better rapper. Eminem amazing but that's not a good argument on who's the better rapper.
Skill wise JayZ can't outrap Eminem even in my dreams Wtf are u talking about Even after hearing RENEGADE SONG'S EMINEM VERSE HE LITERALLY COULDN'T TOP IT IN BLUEPRINT ALBUM sorry but I am not even Eminem fan But EMINEM AND NAS> JAYZ BY MILES
here's the thing, i prefer bp and think it's better in terms of production; but mmlp is better crafted, whether it is the lyrics or the influence. for impact, i think they're equal because i personally relate more to bp.
MMLP for sure. The wordplay is amazing, the lyrics are amazing, the jokes, and who can forget The Real Slim Shady, Kill You, I'm Back, and Marshall Mathers. JayZ is good too tho.
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638 Jay makes his raps yes. But he is too scared to go toe to toe with artist and is often sneak dissing. Em will say your name. Jay does things behind the scenes and Em addresses things straight forward. Jay will be known as an icon for his success but Em will be known as a rapper who wasn’t scared to take on anyone. Em’s lyrical abilities exceeds Jay
@@vickylove9824 em ended pathetic careers I like how you Stan’s make it seem like em battled heavyweight lyricist when his track record of beef are pop stars and corny rappers like mgk everlast ja rule Britney Spears Christina Aguilera iggy etc at least every legendary emcee has went at another nicca please
@@vickylove9824 you a whole stan talking about jay does things behind the scene you dont even listen to jay you're pop fan em is a legend in thes eyes of stans he's been dropping mediocre albums since 04 Eminem show being his last solid piece of work while even his old stuff aging like crap, jay z is one of the goats if not the goat and eminem himself said it on Twitter that jay z was the goat also on till I collapse Jay z was one of the rappers em said was better then him and even in 2002 when em won the Grammy during his speech he pulled out a piece of paper and shouted out all the rappers he looked up to and that influenced him and he learned from and jay was one of them but you stans hate the fact and will always be in denial that Marshall idolizes jay z 😂😂
Both albums are quality first and foremost Personally Em on MMLP is more layered out cinematically sharped very minimalistic on the beats from the base brothers and Dre for Em to deliver the songs and putting his heart onto the tracks. Kill you, Marshall Mathers, The Way I Am, Real slim shady, Criminal. Blueprint is a pretty solid album but overhyped I felt the production overshadowed Some of Jay Performance (Heart in the City, Neva Change, U don’t Know) personally imo if we’re discussing Conceptually, artistic standpoint, Sampling Reasonable doubt is much better He’ll I’ll take Black Album & American Gangster over it.
Marshall Matthers LP. To add to Impact. J Cole sounded like Nas & Eminem in 2000 when he was a Teenager and he was good. Which Rappers Rapped like Jay after Blueprint ? Yes Blueprint gave us Kanye but MMLP gave Kanye those guys to look up to him. So had it not been for MMLP Ye would not have those guys lookin up to him.
@@bigdaddylocdiesel5688 Nah what are you tryna prove You saying it as if only those guys influence Cole when he said on several different times his main influence is Tupac, Nas ,JayZ , Eminem and Andre 3000 but you making sound like Jay ain't got no influence on Cole whatsoever only Em when he has stated this multiple times.
mmlp washes blueprint, the production is better on blueprint tho... but these arent the best projects from EM and Jay imo, I'd say Eminem Show and Reasonable Doubt are their best (RD is the the better project by quite a bit tho)
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@@aryamazandarani6373 can def see that too but i pourposfully set future with migos so travis can go against thug idk why it fits more for me but it does🤷♂️
MMLP for Artistry for sure, No Question. Blueprint for Production. Impact...idk. I gotta see their argument for this...and make my decision after they prove their points.
Although I prefer MMLP, I think ant overall had better arguments. Lu tended to make points and when ant added to it to strengthen his argument Lu would say “it’s not relevant” 🤣great video though and it all comes down to preference.
Blueprint is incredible and it's probably a top 10 album oat but I'd say it's MMLP even tho the lyrics have not aged well cus of its edgyness I'm a Kanye Stan and I really like jay but I gotta give it to Eminem
@@handlebyme Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
Here some ideas Stankonia Vs Damn, Yeezus vs Relapse, My beautyfull twisted dark Fantasy vs to Pimp a butterfly, Tha Carter 2 vs Get Rich Or Die tryin, Tha Carter 3 vs Graudatiom, Illmatic vs The mis edaucation of Lauryn Hill, The Massacre vs It was Written, Tha Carter vs the college dropout, Illmatatic vs Liquid Swords, Stillmatatic Vs FishScale, Enter the 36 Chamber vs Sharight outta Compton, Only Built 4 cuban linx vs Igor, The predator vs Get Rich or dyin tryin, Good kid mad city vs Igor also Good kid mad city vs Graduation just a few ideas
I'll take Song Cry, Heart of the city, Takeover, Izzo, Never Change, Girls girls girls, Renegade and U don't know over Stan, The way I am, Kill you, Criminal, The Real Slim Shady
I think Luca should've taken in consideration of what Ant was saying. Both albums are great but when your piece of work is sitting up there with MLK speeches, that's highly impactful.
I take the Blueprint any day however Stan and The Way I Am do make mmlp a competitor. However I think the Blueprint is more relevant and is a better concept. The Blueprint also has much better production that to me holds up a lot better today. The Blueprint has for me stood the test of time much better. I think they’re both classic albums however there’s no debate for me when you look at consistency, longevity, and relevance which to me are the 3 main factors in judging classic albums
I have a lot of hip hop comparison videos comparing diff artists albums their styles how their music age etc etc. But at the end eminem is the biggest thing that happened to hip hop if not eminem rap culture would never able to spread across the globe and people now days shitting his name dude he’s the living breathing best rapper alive ever ever no one no one is close he is god lever in every aspect and dk when people will understand that maybe when it’s too late..
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
5:29 “You can’t play Kim or Under the influence today” Good point because of the time period we are in However, artistry should be judged in the time period it was made in. It’s unfair to judge artistry in todays time. For example in a few years if drug talk is frowned upon will that make Tana Talk 3 artistry any “wackier” because the time period doesn’t condone it?
I disagree.Timeless means it transcends its own era and still works(sometimes even better) than when it first came out. When people say an album ages like milk/wine this is what they mean.
As an overall package, The Blueprint no doubt. In terms of lyricism, the MMLP. I lean towards The Blueprint more, the production blows MMLP out the water and The Blueprint is a much more seamless listen imo. I feel like the MMLP has few skips but not as many stand outs. The Blueprint has classic after classic track. MMLP has tracks like Kim (which was kind of a waste of a track slot imo), Under the Influence, and Amityville which weight it down the record a bit for me. There aren’t as many songs on the MMLP that I constantly go back to. I definitely feel like the SSLP and especially TES give The Blueprint more of a run for it’s money. I have always felt the MMLP was inferior to the SSLP and TES. Just my opinion.
Ants argument at 26:00 is thin, like Lu gave sales as one of 10 reasons why it’s a more influential album, just because another mid album has one of those 10 qualities doesn’t mean Lu is also saying that album is more influential.
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Both entertaining in their own ways but one is more groundbreaking, more technical, something we'll never see again. That's the best way I can describe why MMLP is better
Wow that’s awesome
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638 I disagree but that's just my opinion the mmlp had mor impact on the culture, hell it added a word to it, ofcourse I understand why you would think the blueprint is better, I mean they're both amazing but in my opinion (again MY opinion) mmlp wins by far
Best analogy 💯
Bro ik its been like 7 months but why is a comment section about HIP HOP so civil and its like a "oh was pac a goat ?" Nah this is a who got the better album
I LOVE Blueprint, but MMLP is on another level. They're both classic albums, but MMLP is one of the most impactful albums of all time, not just in hip hop, but music as a whole.
Its the MMLP's lyrical display that wound up influencing major players today such as Kendrick and Cole.
And juice, x, Tyler and many more. Your so right (RIP juice and X)
I’d just like to add that I think Joey Bada$$’s 1999 and A$AP Rocky’s Live. Love. ASAP would be a great matchup
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wow both top 5 mixtapes oat
1999 smokes it
Not a single similarity between these two
MMLP. No skips, full of classic tracks, Em's lyricism is at its peak. His humor and edgy bars make it more enjoyable for me.
Personally I skipped quite a few tracks after my initial listening review. Some of them are a little too cheesy for my taste in hindsight. I am not a fan of joke style raps and I preferred his more personal/serious cuts. If you don’t find some of those tracks corny I can definitely see why it’s more enjoyable.
I only skip the Ken Kanniff skit, the rest of the album is genius...
@@sitvisjes I will skip, Drug ballad, under the influence and Bitch please 2 is awful. The first bitch please is a banger that second was awful
@@federatedstateskmt1041 you're on something. Under the Influence (obviously disregarding Bizarre's verse because he's a terrible artist) is fire as fuck. Bitch Please 2 is really fucking good too, Em spits a HARD verse and I really think everyone does well, Snoop coulda done better but whatever. And Drug Ballad? The song is all about being addicted to drugs and needing help off of them, its kind of sad in a way. I would understand slips like Kim, that song is fucked up and some cannot handle it, maybe even Amityville for that, once again, terrible Bizarre verse.
I'll just say this, most of the best verses on MMLP were from Eminem, the best verse on Blueprint was Eminem. Thanks for your time.
Somebody needs to explain to me the "MMLP lyrics have aged poorly" narrative. That is something I've never heard anyone within HipHop say but it's somehow become a narrative on Twitter etc. People must just be looking for a way to discredit this masterpiece. BTW - both Em and Jay are GOATS, legends and in my top 5 of all time. Got love for both.
The production definitely is on some tracks but I don’t know how the lyrics have. I guess you could argue the terminology and style aren’t in line with what we see today for Eminem or other elite artists but that’s pretty much most early 00s rappers. He probably wouldn’t “get away with” the same language but that’s irrelevant to whether the lyrics have aged well. One thing I will say is a lot of the lines on this LP are a little too cheesy or corny for my liking but on the tracks where he’s serious, it’s an all time level performance up there with Jay-Z etc.
I mean they have aged pretty badly. Not just Eminem but in general I think anything that relies on shock value ages horribly because all that’s based on the time it was made, and once time moves on it doesn’t hit the same. It just comes off try hard and corny. Still a classic album and super well made it’s just such a product of its time with the shock value and all the constant dated pop culture references and also just a lot of stuff that looks super corny in retrospect, like the constant nsync/Britney spears disses.
It’s also an album fueled on hate, which is something Eminem has said. Which unless your in the mood for that it just makes it not fun to go back and listen to. Eminem music just reminds me of when I was an edgy 12 year old and that’s not something I want to be reminded of, regardless of if the music is objectively good or not and I think a lot of people feel that same way.
because apparently people are more sensitive now so the offensive/homophobic lyrics wouldnt run today
Ehhh, those Pop star disses/references are only in 2 songs - Marshall Mathers and The Real Slim Shady -so I think some people use that as a crutch for that argument. Anyway definitely a classic album. People are gonna always find reasons to tear down art. I’ve heard people say Illmatic is boring so everyone has their opinions I guess. Can’t be mad at it.
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When he dropped The MMLP, the entire world moved.
And it was a time in Em's career when he made his ridiculously technical rapping seem so easy by combining genius level lyrical content, story telling, and an almost conversational style delivery that made you almost forget that he was rhyming, let alone spitting such high level intricate and complex rhyme schemes.
Then, when you factor in what would be some of the greatest comedy and sarcasm ever heard on hip-hop album, it's icing on the cake.
There's no debate.
When Jay dropped whole world moved more for sure😂😂😂
Stan is literally word in the dictionary thanks to Em's song
Pretty crazy!
He brought up the album sales for MMLP because it’s impressive that an album with such violent and graphic subject matter could be embraced in a mainstream way.
Kid Rock and Nelly were trying to make mainstream popular music. (not trying to knock those artists)
That’s easily because Eminem is white so please
@Onweli Mikel That’s a terrible take the only reason people don’t want to call Em the greatest lyricist oat is because he’s white
@@karl9384 na he is not the goat there is nothing he does that rakim or Krs didn’t do better! Lupe fiasco and black thought technically are equally If not better than em but they do not get called goats because they don’t check some other boxes!
@Mudiaga_Vibes neither of the cited artists come close to what em has contributed. If what u say were to be true, then revival would've been a success. But it's easier to blame external forces instead of taking accountability.
FINALLY people who aren’t scared to get heated and talk MUSIC! Would love to hop on the podcast with y’all and talk Eminem. Regardless, thanks for what y’all do! Wish I had someone to talk to about all this haha
Just finished the video, y’all gotta make these sections longer! Let me come defend “new” Eminem! Haha. Love yall
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Artisty: Eminem
Jay-Z has great flows and delivery but honestly nothing he says impresses me. His story's and messages are way more interesting on albums like Reasonable Doubt and The Black album, in fact this album just feels like a career victory lap. But Eminems flows and delivery's were on top form and he was in an interesting place in his career. He doubles down on the controversy, goes personal talking about his drug problems, his mother and his girlfriend all while showing immense technical skills.
Production: Blueprint
Although MMLP has great production, The Blueprint has some of the greatest hip hop beats of all time. All of the beats here are timeless.
Impact: MMLP hands down.
When it's all said and done this will stand as THE hip hop album of the early 2000s. Here we have the biggest music star of the 21st century with all eyes on him, after he's been blamed for a tragedy that was felt through the whole country and seeing if he backs down. Not only does he double down on his edgyness, he where's his heart on his sleeve, he talks about his struggles with fame, his family and relationships all while being hungry to prove himself as one of the best rappers of all time.
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I think its kind of funny how Ant is defending an album that's not in his top five albums against an album that is in it. Also love the channel keep making more album vs. album videos
No he put the blueprint in his top 5 albums
@@themadman1738 No its his top 6 and mmlp is 4. watch the top 10 Rap albums video
@@mrhudzen9596that ain’t credible and made by someone blueprint is better
@@mo2k638 How is it not credible. ITS HIS TOP 10 RAP ALBUMS VIDEO!!!!! How is it not credible if he said it himself when ranking all his albums 🤷🏻♂️
@@mo2k638 bro you can literally look it up, and mmlp is better
MMLP is clear. So many classic songs on that album
If classic songs are the dealbreaker, that doesn’t make sense because blueprint has many classic songs on it as well 😂
@@sleeperino3054 I was gonna say I’d probably pick MMLP but BP has probably just as many classics as MMLP.
So does the Blueprint
This one is so close. Im gonna say the Blueprint. TES better than both tho
@@josefequitan reasonable doubt better then blueprint tes and mmlp
This is one is tough because clearly MMLPs lyricism and Ems performance outdoes Jays. But the production on the blueprint blows MMLP out the water. If you wanted to show an alien what hip-hop is an the highest most pristine form of it, then show them the blueprint. But if you want a master in artistry and getting deep into the psyche of an artist, I don’t think any album in any genre gets closer to Em on the MMLP. I have to give it to the MMLP, even though I hold the blueprint to a slightly higher degree because sometimes you aren’t always listening for lyrics and the blueprint is the best at just vibing. Great match up regardless
Edit: after Ant’s point of the blueprint being Kanye’s genesis I thought if either album were to be taken away from history, I freaked out and immediately thought of having no Kanye and so it’s the blueprint hands down.
Going with Luca on this for sure, The Marshall Mathers LP a timeless album and every track is unskippable, the production is amazing and have a g-funk flavour from Dre's influences from his previous works on g-funk records, can't see how this'd be a discussion that any of the producers on The Blueprint beat Dr. Dre and Mel-Man, Em's reckless energy and venomous flows flow smoothly and compliment the beats too, the whole album is fun & entertaining to listen to and the concepts of Em's twisted psyche and horrorcore themes is done effortlessly
You forgot that sometimes its corny, so much tracks that doesnt add up any substance to the album. And kanye is a better producer that DrDre
@@leorodrigues9596 Substance ain't expected so much from Eminem so I don't see what point u tryna make, and nah Kanye is a great producer but ain't no way I'm putting him over Dre
I don't see anything corny coming from Em, he's always been authentic as an artist since day one
@@isatherebel1520 Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638not sure how you measure cultural impact. If anything, the term Stan is probably the most significant and tangible piece of pop culture to come from these two albums
I overall like Jay's discography more than Eminem's but I like MMLP more. I had never heard anything like the tracks Stan or Kim before. Not that Jay-Z isn't special too , but early Eminem was truly something new in hip hop and music in those early albums.
Late but yeah Eminem’s peak was unmatched jay z had amazing longevity though
no one talks about the smooth editing in these videos tho 🔥🔥🔥
Blueprint easily clears for me . Still a great Em project arguably his best .
ENDET HASIBEK NEW YE EM PROJECT KE JAY Z BETAM YIBELTAL
it depends on what your values are, mmlp definitely excels in artistry but The Blueprint is one of the best produced rap albums ever, comes down to preference
@@evenezer560 betam betam ye eminem ybeltal
Yall do an amazing job seriously keep going no bias and your true perspective
Appreciate you Brian!
Love this series guys👏🏼 For me MMLP is clear, Em’s Best album imo:) And The Way I Am is also my favorite song by him and btw would like to see Illmatic in the next one;)
I’d like to see Illmatic vs GKMC
@@ericramos1916 Or maybe Illmatic vs Ready to die
You two both had valid points
I love how much these guys care.
MMLP. And I dont subscribe at all to the fact it hasn't aged well. It sounds amazing to this day. And objectively speaking, its still played more to this day as well
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
Blueprint clears so hard in every aspect. These comments just prove how underrated Hov is
Lmao I never knew this was an actual debate I thought about it in my head last year 😂 for me mmlp is the more enjoyable classic because of Em’s humor but The blueprint’s literally the blueprint for how to make a classic
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638 how does that objectively show impact tho? Mmlp completely changed hip hop culture(crazy music videos, humor, extremely vulgar lyrics etc was not popular in hip hop before Eminem) and introduced rap to 95% of white hip hop listeners today , he added a fkn word to the dictionary(Stan)
@@odin765 that's not impact
Impact is what it did to black people mmlp didn't do nothing
@@random-tv3hm google definition of impact: have a strong effect on someone or something.
mmlp had a strong effect on hiphop and music so how exactly isn't that impact?
@@odin765 lol nobody play i m slim shady yes I'm slim shady 😂😂😂 imagine playing that
Sick discussion lads, came in on the side of the Blueprint (Eminem is my all time favourite rapper), but left on the side of MMLP!
I side with Lu on this one based on considering the time frame and content risk Em took with writing MMLP. In my opinion MMLP is an album that only Em could have made verses an album like The Blueprint that could have arguably been duplicated in style by other rappers at that time period.
Had me scared in my room when Luca starts yelling 😭😅
🤣
when?
Absolutely amazing debate! Y’all killin it
Gimme the MMLP just because of the mastery and genius of em great debate though.
Mmlp is just classic and legendary one of the best groundbreaking lyrical no skips albums ever made ..its just flawless and on bluprint the best song eminem gave jay for renegade em at this time is just untouchable i like jay alot but this isnt a debate mmlp over blueprint
I love rewatching these😆
You guys are so well spoken. I personally think Luca won, but the blueprint is my personal fav
Love how heated this gets, fire vid!! 🔥
Hey NFR Podcast. Could you make a video predicting the 2022 grammy nominations rap catergories i.e. best rap performance, best melodic rap performance, best rap song and best rap album? Keep the amazing videos. I'm a huge fan :)
Best series ever!! You guys are killing it!
Crazy to see how good is Lu. Every argument slaps and I was rooting for Ant on some episodes because of the album.
The production in MMLP was perfect, just listen to Remember me, that beat is insane and it’s not even a single
I love these free smoke videos please keep doing them!!! Gotta say the Blueprint is superior though
Blueprint an easy one for me
Blueprint for me. It helped kanye who have a goat category and a billionaire like jay z himself. It sparked nas back into beast mode. Being wordy as a wordsmith doesn't mean you a better rapper. Eminem amazing but that's not a good argument on who's the better rapper.
eminem the better rapper by far one way or another
Skill wise
JayZ can't outrap Eminem even in my dreams
Wtf are u talking about
Even after hearing RENEGADE SONG'S EMINEM VERSE
HE LITERALLY COULDN'T TOP IT IN BLUEPRINT ALBUM
sorry but I am not even Eminem fan
But EMINEM AND NAS> JAYZ BY MILES
@@archanakumari1552 lol on the watchers 2 jayz washed Eminem
here's the thing, i prefer bp and think it's better in terms of production; but mmlp is better crafted, whether it is the lyrics or the influence. for impact, i think they're equal because i personally relate more to bp.
MARSHAL MATHERS LP Has Stan on the track list.
The pencil noises in the background ruin it. Try listening to it and you will never unhear it
@@youareasock9752 Ads to the story, i like it
@@youareasock9752 For me too. I started noticing it and then I couldn’t unhear it
@@420speedweed lol cap
@@420speedweed wtf r u saying
Classic NFR episode
MMLP for sure. The wordplay is amazing, the lyrics are amazing, the jokes, and who can forget The Real Slim Shady, Kill You, I'm Back, and Marshall Mathers. JayZ is good too tho.
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
Em for me. He is beyond influential but still respect Jay
Jay is much more influential hell jay even influenced em
@@mo2k638 Jay makes his raps yes. But he is too scared to go toe to toe with artist and is often sneak dissing. Em will say your name. Jay does things behind the scenes and Em addresses things straight forward. Jay will be known as an icon for his success but Em will be known as a rapper who wasn’t scared to take on anyone. Em’s lyrical abilities exceeds Jay
Eminem takes it easily
@@vickylove9824 em ended pathetic careers I like how you Stan’s make it seem like em battled heavyweight lyricist when his track record of beef are pop stars and corny rappers like mgk everlast ja rule Britney Spears Christina Aguilera iggy etc at least every legendary emcee has went at another nicca please
@@vickylove9824 you a whole stan talking about jay does things behind the scene you dont even listen to jay you're pop fan em is a legend in thes eyes of stans he's been dropping mediocre albums since 04 Eminem show being his last solid piece of work while even his old stuff aging like crap, jay z is one of the goats if not the goat and eminem himself said it on Twitter that jay z was the goat also on till I collapse Jay z was one of the rappers em said was better then him and even in 2002 when em won the Grammy during his speech he pulled out a piece of paper and shouted out all the rappers he looked up to and that influenced him and he learned from and jay was one of them but you stans hate the fact and will always be in denial that Marshall idolizes jay z 😂😂
Damn you guys are really good at your job
This is my sort of debate
surley we get a Igor (tyler the creator) vs Blonde (frank ocean)
Both albums are quality first and foremost Personally Em on MMLP is more layered out cinematically sharped very minimalistic on the beats from the base brothers and Dre for Em to deliver the songs and putting his heart onto the tracks. Kill you, Marshall Mathers, The Way I Am, Real slim shady, Criminal. Blueprint is a pretty solid album but overhyped I felt the production overshadowed Some of Jay Performance (Heart in the City, Neva Change, U don’t Know) personally imo if we’re discussing Conceptually, artistic standpoint, Sampling Reasonable doubt is much better He’ll I’ll take Black Album & American Gangster over it.
MMLP easily
Hitting maturity is realising out of em's big three the only one with replay value is TES
You guys should do
50 Cent get rich or die trying
Vs
Kanye West Graduation
oh shitttt
Marshall Matthers LP. To add to Impact. J Cole sounded like Nas & Eminem in 2000 when he was a Teenager and he was good. Which Rappers Rapped like Jay after Blueprint ? Yes Blueprint gave us Kanye but MMLP gave Kanye those guys to look up to him. So had it not been for MMLP Ye would not have those guys lookin up to him.
J Cole has Jay-Z ranked higher in his top 5 than Em so the influence is there with Jay
@@michaelsonsaintil3560 Nah Cole said he he was bitting Nas, Em & Canibus. His songs when he was 15 sounded like Nas & Eminem
th-cam.com/video/t8pufuN_ymI/w-d-xo.html yes he said that but watch this link
@@michaelsonsaintil3560 I know 🥴 The Best & Influence is different. Don't know what u tried to prove
@@bigdaddylocdiesel5688 Nah what are you tryna prove You saying it as if only those guys influence Cole when he said on several different times his main influence is Tupac, Nas ,JayZ , Eminem and Andre 3000 but you making sound like Jay ain't got no influence on Cole whatsoever only Em when he has stated this multiple times.
Sorry Lu, gotta hand the W to Ant 🐐🐐
We need a life after death vs all eyes on me debate
This was the best one thus far!!! Shesh
Lu shouldn't talk so loud and angry imo but I really enjoy his passion.
mmlp washes blueprint, the production is better on blueprint tho... but these arent the best projects from EM and Jay imo, I'd say Eminem Show and Reasonable Doubt are their best (RD is the the better project by quite a bit tho)
I wouldn’t go as far to say it washes it personally.
Blueprint washes every em album
The algorithm blessed me with your podcast. +Subscribed
some ideas for future free smokes:
coke kingpin + legendary producer: daytona vs pinata (or bandana)
trap classics: culture vs ds2
new yorks finest: illmatic vs enter the wutang vs ready to die vs reasonable doubt (any combo of these 4 works)
i think Rodeo vs DS2 would be better
@@aryamazandarani6373 can def see that too but i pourposfully set future with migos so travis can go against thug idk why it fits more for me but it does🤷♂️
MMLP for Artistry for sure, No Question.
Blueprint for Production.
Impact...idk. I gotta see their argument for this...and make my decision after they prove their points.
Although I prefer MMLP, I think ant overall had better arguments. Lu tended to make points and when ant added to it to strengthen his argument Lu would say “it’s not relevant” 🤣great video though and it all comes down to preference.
Blueprint by a very
small margin for me.
Great matchup guys
Jay Z’s The Blueprint literally changed the soundscape of Rap. The Blueprint IS THE BEST.
Do a 50 cent Free Smoke, Get Rich Or Die Tryin’ 🙏🏾
blueprint better subject matter
The best series on TH-cam
That’s love!
Blueprint is incredible and it's probably a top 10 album oat but I'd say it's MMLP even tho the lyrics have not aged well cus of its edgyness I'm a Kanye Stan and I really like jay but I gotta give it to Eminem
jesus this comment is all over the place.. had to read it three times. Use more punctuation plz
@@Millerofmac-rip sorry mate
@@handlebyme Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
Here some ideas Stankonia Vs Damn, Yeezus vs Relapse, My beautyfull twisted dark Fantasy vs to Pimp a butterfly, Tha Carter 2 vs Get Rich Or Die tryin, Tha Carter 3 vs Graudatiom, Illmatic vs The mis edaucation of Lauryn Hill, The Massacre vs It was Written, Tha Carter vs the college dropout, Illmatatic vs Liquid Swords, Stillmatatic Vs FishScale, Enter the 36 Chamber vs Sharight outta Compton, Only Built 4 cuban linx vs Igor, The predator vs Get Rich or dyin tryin, Good kid mad city vs Igor also Good kid mad city vs Graduation just a few ideas
illmatic vs ready to die
I prefer Blueprint but I feel like Lu brought better points to the table
Do The College Dropout vs Be
Somebody put We Cry Together beat here fr
I would love to see a matchup with daytona against a freddie gibbs project
Daytona vs Alfredo maybe?
I'll take Song Cry, Heart of the city, Takeover, Izzo, Never Change, Girls girls girls, Renegade and U don't know over Stan, The way I am, Kill you, Criminal, The Real Slim Shady
I think Luca should've taken in consideration of what Ant was saying. Both albums are great but when your piece of work is sitting up there with MLK speeches, that's highly impactful.
I just love Eminem over Jay Z, so I'm definitely going with MMLP. Plus MMLP is my favorite album of all time
I take the Blueprint any day however Stan and The Way I Am do make mmlp a competitor. However I think the Blueprint is more relevant and is a better concept. The Blueprint also has much better production that to me holds up a lot better today. The Blueprint has for me stood the test of time much better. I think they’re both classic albums however there’s no debate for me when you look at consistency, longevity, and relevance which to me are the 3 main factors in judging classic albums
Mmlp vs Reasonable Doubt would be more fair of a battle. Blueprint is top 20 of all time but MMLP easily tops it.
Both blueprint and RD are much superior em’s albums aged horribly
ILLMATIC vs GKMC next
Blueprint🔥🔥🔥
Im taking MMLP1 but I'd take Reasonable Doubt over MMLP1
That’s fair
@@condiment_king1232 and im take TES over reasonable doubt,and TES and The Black Album is equal.
This will be insane
I've heard wayy more people tell mmlp literally saved them through tough times
I have a lot of hip hop comparison videos comparing diff artists albums their styles how their music age etc etc.
But at the end eminem is the biggest thing that happened to hip hop if not eminem rap culture would never able to spread across the globe and people now days shitting his name dude he’s the living breathing best rapper alive ever ever no one no one is close he is god lever in every aspect and dk when people will understand that maybe when it’s too late..
Please can you make a playlist of all the episodes of free smoke 💨
Oh my...this gonna be one of THEM 👀
Mmlp is far more memorable and stands out from other hiphop albums. The Blueprint is still incredible tho
id argue that the blueprint is more memorable then mmlp, em's most memorable album is probably the eminem show tbh
Mmlp was a big album it went diamond but it isn’t held in the same regard as blueprint as far as cultural impactIn in 2019, the album was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the United States National Recording Registry for being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant,” being the first entry created in the 21st century.
@@mo2k638 that's the same comment that you posted on another commebt
@@tqmper7153 look at you comment stalking another man, smh obsessive stan 🤦🏿♂️
5:29
“You can’t play Kim or Under the influence today”
Good point because of the time period we are in However, artistry should be judged in the time period it was made in. It’s unfair to judge artistry in todays time. For example in a few years if drug talk is frowned upon will that make Tana Talk 3 artistry any “wackier” because the time period doesn’t condone it?
I disagree.Timeless means it transcends its own era and still works(sometimes even better) than when it first came out. When people say an album ages like milk/wine this is what they mean.
As an overall package, The Blueprint no doubt. In terms of lyricism, the MMLP. I lean towards The Blueprint more, the production blows MMLP out the water and The Blueprint is a much more seamless listen imo. I feel like the MMLP has few skips but not as many stand outs. The Blueprint has classic after classic track.
MMLP has tracks like Kim (which was kind of a waste of a track slot imo), Under the Influence, and Amityville which weight it down the record a bit for me. There aren’t as many songs on the MMLP that I constantly go back to. I definitely feel like the SSLP and especially TES give The Blueprint more of a run for it’s money. I have always felt the MMLP was inferior to the SSLP and TES. Just my opinion.
jay lyrics, flow, storytelling and tbh even his voice always bored me but i always loved his beats, they stay stuck in my head for years.
@@420speedweed what i always ask jay fans
@@420speedweed than…?
@@420speedweed prime specificity compared to the eminem example you got there buddy well done
@@420speedweed You all act like that's the only bar Em ever wrote
Reasonable Doubt vs Illmatic
The blueprint for sure better production I like the flows more too
Hot Take: Influence and Impact really don’t matter that much. Art doesn’t exist in a vacuum but it also has to be able to stand alone
Ants argument at 26:00 is thin, like Lu gave sales as one of 10 reasons why it’s a more influential album, just because another mid album has one of those 10 qualities doesn’t mean Lu is also saying that album is more influential.
Even if you love blueprint and hate Eminem at the same time you have to admit his feature is amazing.
ant is massively stretching that “blueprint to become a billionaire” line
Came back for this comment!
stan is a top 20 rap song of all time idk which album better tho