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Great reference video Shawn. This is one of those videos that many woodworkers will be able to view to help guide them when they are build a DC system. Thanks so much for putting this together!
I love that downdraft table. I need something like that. A lot of folks confuse dust collection with chip collection. Just about anything your system isn't picking up is basically too big to become airborne anyway, so it looks like you've got a very effective system. Nicely done!
Nice job with the time stamp annotations Shawn! Very convenient to jump around to tools I have. Also, that drill press looks like my old bench top drill press! Good job bud!
Great Job with both the setup and the video a lot of information in a little bit of time I like the steel duct as I can ground it to remove any static build up due to particles passing through the pipe. Your using the system to remove both chips and dust do you think that in a multiple person shop (makerspace ) it would have any benefit to having small cyclonic prefilters for catching the big chunks or even just collection boxes so the large stuff like from the jointer and planer and the router?
+Peter Menningen Thanks Peter. In my opinion, I'm not sure it would help to have "extra" boxes/chip collectors. Seems like it would add more length thus less suction. That's just my thoughts. Thanks for watching.
about storing the hose for the planer , wat you could do instead of using the taped off reducer is make a small shelve against the wall with a few round disks stacked on top the same size as the inside diameter of the hose , doing that alows you to put the hose over the disks and have the vacuum keep it in place and closed
Great overview of your dust collection in the shop Shawn! I completely agree with your stance on dust collection and think its great how you've shown how you go about it. I was thinking about doing a video just like this to show what I do for dust collection at some point also. I love watching not only what people did for different shop setup features but also hearing why they did it and what the outcome was. Its nice to see other guys who have put a lot of thought into the dust collection/management in their shops. Keep up the good work!
dang shawn!-u put ALOT of time and money into this.but man it works great!&totally worth it. i need to get me a canister top fkr my dc..how lkng do u think they last for? u should paint that hood on ur planer itll blend right in then..at least on camera.:)
+Joe basementwoodworking Thanks, Joe. My plan is to blow the filter out with my compressor when it gets clogged and keep on truckin. Thanks for watching.
Stone and Sons Workshop its not a bad idea I wonder if it would work with the bag filter?? I still have the bag filter on mine..or maybe turn it inside out and use the shop vac to it.. ..ik my bag is covered with thick dust by now..its been over a year and ive never cleaned it.just emptied the bottom half.
+Tim Streight I used the 5" pipes mainly for cost. I got a good deal at $1 per foot. I could've easily used 4" pipes especially with the 4" drop connections.
+Miter Mike's Woodshop Thanks, Mike! I appreciate your support. I debated the same thing, but went with the metal because of the price I found and also to eliminate any guess work with pvc static.
Shawn, this is the best dust collection system I have seen. Thanks for sharing, I will be referring to this video once I get ready to build my system. Thumbs up.
great video. I am putting together a system. I am now leaning towards the snap lock. been to one big box store with no results. have not looked but hoping you have a link or name . But , you put together a great video and very much appreciate your effort.
+John Lowell They are installed in that orientation to create a swirling motion. The bigger chips fall and only the fine dust continues on to the dust collector bag. Thanks for watching.
+Stone and Sons Workshop, OK, I watched again. But the vectors still look like they are working against each other. Could you place them back to back to get the vectors in line, and increase the distance traveled, allowing for the material to drop? Or, take the exhaust 90 off and orient the position in the center of the lid to allow a single swirling vector? That said, if it works, don't fix it. Great video, tks.
Hi Shawn. Been working on outfitting my tiny shop with new tools such as jointer, planer, spindle sander and 14" bandsaw. I've been struggling with shopvac dust collection with 2.5" pvc pipe, wyes and 2.5" blastgates. Just not the best setup. The blastgates clog up and stick partially open and lose vacuum. I was about to build my own when i found this video of you discussing self cleaning gates! What a novel idea. Just bought the Harbor Freight 2 hp dust collector so all of your great ideas will be implemented in my revamped shop soon. Thanks so much for this video! Noticed this video is now several years old, anything new to report?
If I understand your layout correctly it's 5" main line runs, 4" saddle wyes at the drops, and 4" flex hose for the drop lines. It looks like your mains run at ceiling height. The blast gates are supposed to go as close to the wye junctios as possible, which puts them at ceiling height as well. How do reach them to open/close? Or have you mounted most of them closer to the tools where they are easier to reach? Do you think mounting at or near the machines is causing any loss of DC performance? Appreciate any guidance you can give before I jump in with money and time. Thanks Jim
How would you compare your "rockler stage 1" dust collector with the Oneida Super Dust Deputy. I bought the HF 2HP single stage Dust Collector last week (25% coupon) and plan on adding the Winn .5 micron filter and "Oneida Super Dist deputy" as my first stage, but your Rockler DIY looks pretty good too.
+Jim Challender unfortunately I haven't had the chance to use the Oneida to compare the difference, but I will say that my setup works very well. The barrel was free and the Rockler "in and out" components were about $20. Thanks for watching.
Great video and great setup -- and a lot of good innovations to capture that dust. My only criticism is the unfortunate choice of annoying background music. It sounds like something better suited to a porn video. I halfway expected to see you to start dancing around a pole. You still deserve a hearty thumb's up despite the porn music for this otherwise very useful video.
Enjoyed this a lot! I'm still using a few shop vacs and at some point will add a system! Your explanation of all the components was great and well explained! Well done
I have several of those 55 gallon drums. My shop is longer than wider. Thinking of running a hour out the garage door opening into that drum and mounting the dust collector motor on the wall at the garage door opening.
the thickness planer and the router table with the disc sander were the most impressive. the stock coming out of the planer with no chips looked like it was just being passed through the machine, and the planer needed to be adjusted down to make the cut. the planer even though boxed in is impressive because the chips are traveling at high speeds and to not see any fly out is amazing. the disc sander is be even more impressive than the planer because the disc is exposed where the planer head is boxed in. it didn't look like any dust was in the air. well done ! question...did all attachments fit together as well expexted, or did you find that some had to be modified or joined with other couplers of sorts? the videos i see showing shop vacs sometimes do not fit all accessories nor do they alwys fit dust collection hoses and adapters. is this differdnt with commercial applications?
My apologies.I didn't mean to sound facetious. It's just that I found PVC a lot more friendly to work with. Glue isn't necessary being as I may need to take it apart one day. Mike.
Great work on your dust collection............on your bandsaw dust collection maybe watch "rob cosman bandsaw dust collection" on you tube.......seems to work well ......i'm going to try that shortly........i bought recently a cyclone separator for my main collection using 220v collector......its almost ready and awaiting a wynn filter.....i'm excited for it to get going.......i got the idea from DIY Tyler on youtube too.....check that out ............great work keep it up. regards Phil
I'm in the process of installing a dust collection system in my shop, the only difference is that I used 4" thin wall PVC pipe. I also just installed the Oneida Super Dust Deputy cyclone which drops into a 55 gallon metal drum. My next purchase is the Harbor Freight Heavy Duty Dust collector. I am currently designing the drops for my equipment. Your video has some fantastic ideas that I certainly will be incorporating in my shop. Thanks for the tips & keep up the good work!!
You did a great job in my opinion. I was glued to your walk through and enjoyed your presentation as I'm getting ready to run my own pretty soon. This is what I really enjoy about TH-cam.....I'll be watching and going to check your links out. Thank you for sharing and the work,time and effort you put into this.
Don't know how I passed you up for so long, just subscribed. Great shop, excellent content, and very informative explanation of how-to. You are very inventive and innovative; especially in the use of your out feed table, router, and downdraft. Excellent and worth copying. Loved your dust collection video.
Great job on the system and the video! Question: is the 30ga. material strong enough for overhead runs with pipe-strap supports at every junction? Thanks, Jim
I found this video very informative and for me, timely. I have the same HF dust collector with Wynn filter but have been thinking about the best way to run ductwork to the tools in my shop. This was a big help. I appreciate the list of resources too. Just Subscribed.
Man, there are a lot of good ideas here. I have been struggling with changing from 4 to 6 inch hose. Your idea with the snap lock pipe fixes that problem. I would have never thought of it. It solves a couple of things compared to the 4 inch PVC pipe I had used: Its bigger, it does not generate static electricity, and it is cheaper than any alternatives I was able to come up with. Your idea with the sanding table is one I have been trying to think of for myself. I am stealing that one too. I can see you put a lot of thought into this. It shows and I thank you for the video. The main problem with dust in my shop is that it gets into my finish... and my lungs. This video is GOLD.
Thanks for the video! I am about to move my shop and have been wanting to upgrade from my shopvac/dust deputy set up to a real DC system. Two things, first, you had great close ups of everything, but it would be nice to get a nice overview or walkthough starting with the DC and following all the runs. Also, I noticed that you have the stock HF DC system, how come you chose to stick with it stock and not do a cyclone upgrade? Do you find your HF unit able to handle all the things you have set up? Thanks a lot!
+Kyle Veatch Thanks! The system is working great and the stock HF dust collector is working as is, but with the Wynn filter. The filter helped a lot! The separator acts somewhat as a cyclone so as long as it's working there's no need for me to change it. Again, Thank you.
That’s how long it takes to setup a down draft table and get to work when everything is right there. Try doing it that fast when you don’t know where the sander is. And you haven’t seen the hose is 3 years. Hahahah jk
Great video on dust collection Shawn! Very informative... On of the better ones out there.... BTW: It was great to meet you at the Atlanta Wood Worker Show. Thanks for advice on how to get my Son interested in wood working and introducing me to GeekSmithing for additional advice....
Very nice DC system setup! Lots of work and ideas culminating in an almost dust/chip free shop! Couldn't hear the DC at all. I missed the demo 2x4 piece when you got to the TS (haha).
Thanks for the comprehensive video. Some great ideas there! The collection on the planer is very effective! I'm just about to make an outfeed table for my table saw and now have some great ideas from this and your other vids. I'm keen to see part 3 of your new table build. Also... don't take any notice of the comment trolls... the are some real idiots out there.
Great video. Just found your channel and really appreciate the stuff you make. Question: in your router lift box, how did you make sure that the router motor, though enclosed, was still getting air through the intake when dust collection was turned on?
+Jakal Woodworking That is Jay Bates design and he made a video on it. You should check it out. It's really well explained, but to answer your question... there's lots of air moving when the router is turned on and the dust collection is on. So, it's getting plenty of air. Thanks
Great work...one of the best if not the best DC systems I've found on TH-cam! Just starting my shop and found this invaluable. I also want to have my son in the shop with me and I want to make it as safe as possible. Thx again.
Really enjoyed this video Shawn. I learned about you from the Jay Bates video on the dust filtration system you and he designed. I am retired and just started to love woodworking in the last couple of years. Young men like you should be proud of the fact that you include your boys when possible in this great avocation. I am sure I will look at your video again when I move toward a better dust collection system. Now it is just the shop vac connected to the tool in use. Thank again and keep up the good work. Ernie
Thanks for the tips you have given me a lot of ideas. The only problem I'm running into is finding the flex hose to use. I have seen how to make my own blast gates. You mentioned Lowe's and Home Depot do they carry the flex hose?
WOW that was an amazing video. Full of great ideas, and close up shots for explanation. Not that we needed explanations as you are a very clear speaker and your teacher type voice is easy to follow, your very detailed and that is what makes this such a Great video. Thanks for all the hours you put into this video.
You posted this at the perfect time for me. I appreciate all the information and explanation you went through. I'll certainly be referencing this again as I build out my system. Thanks Sean!
Solid amount of info in here, thanks! Only thing I would add is that annotations aren't viewable for people on mobile, you might want to put timecodes into the description maybe.
Awesome video! we have the same table saw in our shop and it would be pretty helpful to see your design of the dust hood you build as well as how you plugged all the holes with insulation. do you happen to have any pictures or footage of that? btw Go Dawgs! Pretty cool to see someone from God's country doing what your doing!
+Brian Santero A hook may be useful. I just used what I had on hand. Be on the look out for a video on the outfeed/assembly table after I'm done outfitting it.
I just have a question about your separator, I have only seen them with the tall cyclone top, or a thein baffle, does yours have any baffle or is it just those pipes in the top? thanks and great video, i subbed.
Really awesome video Shawn! Thank you for all the work you put in to it! I really like the downdraft table! Does the dust separator at the dust collector work like a cyclone or does the bag still fill up? Thanks again for all the hard work!
+donny carter Thanks Donny! The separator works somewhat like a cyclone. There's nothing worth mentioning that makes it to the dust collector bag. Pretty much everything gets trapped in the separator. Works great!
Thanks so much for sharing your setup. Love the detail in exactly the parts you used. I am in the process of setting up dust collection so this will be invaluable.
By the way, have you tried putting the dust collection hose for the drill press lower? Instead of on the drill press table, what about putting it right at the base of the drill press? From the video it looks like most of the dust isn't collected, and a lot of it falls to the area of the base. I'm wondering if it would be more effective there. Something to try?
+Matt Inglot I'm glad you found this video useful. As for the drill press dust collection... I found that having it right at table level is most effective because it catches more there than anywhere else. Because the drill bit is spinning and throwing chips in all directions I can somewhat deflect what's being thrown towards me (opposite of the dc hose) and the hose sucks in most of whats on top. The chips below the table is all that's left over and falls through the table. If I were to have it below the drill press table, yes it would catch all that, but I would have more chips everywhere else. Also, another point to make is that most of the time the piece you're drilling is covering up the table (and where the dc hose would be). Thanks for reaching out to me.
Looks like you have a very good DC setup for your shop, Shawn. I'm curious about any drop off of suction at the tools further away from your Dust Collector.
+KSFWG I can't really tell that I have any drop off. My shop layout isn't that big so I don't really have any real long runs. I'd say 20ft is probably the longest and that goes to my miter saw and I'm not having any trouble there. The lathe may be the only drop that seems to have slightly less suction. I think that's because the chips are heavier, but it still does the job.
Not to nit pick but in HVAC we simply call them "elbows",as in a 6" elbow, 4" elbow and etc. Not 90's and I never heard a 45. But great video man, thanks.
Thanks for the good videos. The video was very informing and I think I'll go ahead and start collecting the supplys for my own system. By the way, are you and Jay Bates going to collaborate on any more videos together? Would be great to see ya'll tackle some projects together.
Nice system Shawn it looks like it keeps a clean shop! I was wondering why you chose the 5" metal pipe ove 4" was it because it made it easier to make all the fittings? There are so many fitting to chose from I find myself wondering about metal verse PVC or drain pipe which has I slightly different diameter and style of coupler which might fit the dust fittings better? The metal is easier to ground and does not have the static charge the PVC does which is nice. I find myselt reseaching much of it like you have done, which means buying a few fittings, hoses and heading to home depot to see what works best at a cheaper price? It does not take long to spend a ton of time and money. Plus you want use as little fittings as possible and keep simple. If you could shoot me an email of your parts list it would be a great help! Thanks Tony
I used the 5" metal pipe because that's what I could find in my area at the best price. I wanted metal versus PVC mainly because of the static build up in plastic, but I'm not sure it's an issue. I would just encourage you to do research for your specific situation. You can see all the parts I used on my tools page under Dust Collection. www.stoneandsons.net/tools Thanks for watching!!
Dust Collection and chip collection depends on air flow, compute or google the area of a 5 inch pipe compared to a 4 inch pipe. (5 inch pipe 19.63) (4 inch 12.56) now if this pipe was pumping money into your bank account which one would you rather have? Seriously considering a simple two stage less than 3 HP and a Fan 12.0 inches or less you will have better airflow with 5 inch pipe. Another reason to use 5 inches is the wide use of the Supper Dust Deputy the intake is a 5 inch pipe! If you use a 6 inch pipe with the same blower. The velocity of the airflow would slow down so much that you would not have chip suspension in the airflow to get it to the Cyclone for separation. The chips would fall out and begin to build up creating a blockage. This blockage would cause air flow acceleration but would creat turbulence. Turbulence in a dust collection system is not good.this is very much like having plaque buildup in your carotid artery. Or mountain wave effect for you airplane drivers out there. If you have a 5 HP or better blower use 6 inch pipe or larger. I.e. 8 inch! If you went to 10 inch you most likely will be back to the same problem of using 4 inch pipe with a 2 hp blower. I use the HP rating Very Generically because HP is not a good measurement of the ability move air in dC system. Not to get off on a tangent but similar are the equivalent of comparing LED lights to incandesce lamps. Many equate the brightness of a light to Watts, However we should compare lumen output and the Kelvin of the two lights. Watts happen to be the amount current or amperage consumed by said lamp! Rant over!
+RNR masscom I would say it depends on what all you need for a complete system. As for using it for a saw mill, maybe a small mill. Thanks for reaching out.
thums up :-) interesting that you have enough suction with a chip collector + cyclone + 0.5? filter One possible improvement could to add 'top' suction to the blade guard. Impressed, you do work smarter :-) by investing making it easy and effective to work with
building a new shop myself my current Shop doesn't have any dust collection "other than my kids with brooms" I was wondering if you think the harbor freight system would pull across a 40ft span but I will also have 12 ceilings. just wondering how you though it would perform
If you went with the harbor freight unit in combination with the Wynn Environmental filter and also placed your blast gates as close to the collector as possible and still be convenient I think it would be ok. You would still have to think about duct size, sealing all the joints really good and all the necessary steps in getting a good tight system. Without those things the harbor freight unit probably wouldn't work well.
Hi Shawn, not sure if you've done a video on it, but would appreciate seeing a tour of your shop. If memory serves me correct, you said it was 20 x 20 - Feet I presume? Would love to see your arrangement for storage of tools etc.
I need to get that filter for the top of my HF dust collector. I see where you purchased it, do you have a video of installing it or is it not complicated at all ?? Thanks!! and great video
@@StoneandSonsWorkshop Just found your channel while looking at dust collection ideas. So you are down the road a little over 5 years...how are the blast gates holding up? Also, how did you decide where to run the overhead piping?
+Jay Sybrandy I have t-tracks in my outfeed/assembly table that match up with holes in the base of the router fence. T-track bolts are slipped in the t-track and the fence is positioned over the bolts and tightened down with star knobs. I have plans to do a tour of the outfeed/assembly table in a similar fashion as this video. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for taking the time to help us fellow woodworkers. Like you stated weather we go with your full build, or use bits and tips, we will gain and learn from this video. I know it helped me. Dust collection is not a simple undertaking! I have to comment on how much you remind me of Arron Rodgers of the Packers! Best of luck and thanks again.
wow that was a very informative video. I was looking at the fittings from rockler to add a second stage and was wondering how well it preforms. Do you get alot of chip/dust transfer into your bag or does the first stage catch most of it? Great video thanks for all the detail.
+Matthew Brown Thanks, Matthew! Hardly anything makes it to the bag. Very little fine dust. Most everything gets trapped in the separator even without a baffle.
Very helpful! I'm following your advice and ordering the metal ducts instead of PVC - quick question: did you find the regular 30 gauge galvanized steel snaplock pipe to be strong enough to withstand the suction and not collapse or vibrate too much? Or would you go with 28 or 26 gauge? Thanks!
Nice video, I'm going to up-grade my dust collection, just a smart thing to do.The only thing I see missing was a grounding of this system !!! You don't want to go boom !! But love the 55 Gal drum idea. I'm subscribing .
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+Stone and Sons Workshop That is a cool setup! I would love to know how it works out! sweet setup on the dust collection too.
+Wood By Wright Thanks! I'll be sure to follow up.
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The author does like to from scratch, th-cam.com/users/postUgkxbnOKZBE4evMO5V2vroHeCjq6d_MV6wJO shaping and trimming wood from large blocks into fine finished products. As another reviewer mentioned, most projects require a lot of high-dollar equipment that most of us don’t have the room or budget for. But, knowing how to do these things, even if we won’t be able to practise the full stack project, is still great.
Great reference video Shawn. This is one of those videos that many woodworkers will be able to view to help guide them when they are build a DC system. Thanks so much for putting this together!
+GuysWoodshop Thank you, Guy! I really appreciate it.
Hi, is your snaplock pipe 28 or 30 gauge? If 30 gauge, have you had any problems with collapse under vacuum?Great video!!
I love that downdraft table. I need something like that. A lot of folks confuse dust collection with chip collection. Just about anything your system isn't picking up is basically too big to become airborne anyway, so it looks like you've got a very effective system. Nicely done!
+Mark Lindsay Thanks, Mark! I'm sure there are some tweaks that I could make, but so far it's working great. Thanks again.
why not just use 4" pipe in all area's ? why did you use 5" pipe for your main runs ?
Nice job with the time stamp annotations Shawn! Very convenient to jump around to tools I have. Also, that drill press looks like my old bench top drill press! Good job bud!
+Mike Kapotsy Thanks, Mike. Yeah, that drill press is an old one.
Great Job with both the setup and the video a lot of information in a little bit of time I like the steel duct as I can ground it to remove any static build up due to particles passing through the pipe. Your using the system to remove both chips and dust do you think that in a multiple person shop (makerspace ) it would have any benefit to having small cyclonic prefilters for catching the big chunks or even just collection boxes so the large stuff like from the jointer and planer and the router?
+Peter Menningen Thanks Peter. In my opinion, I'm not sure it would help to have "extra" boxes/chip collectors. Seems like it would add more length thus less suction. That's just my thoughts. Thanks for watching.
about storing the hose for the planer , wat you could do instead of using the taped off reducer is make a small shelve against the wall with a few round disks stacked on top the same size as the inside diameter of the hose , doing that alows you to put the hose over the disks and have the vacuum keep it in place and closed
Good ideas!!
Any way you could show more on the planer hood you build? I ave the same planer and would love to build one. Thanks
+Timothy Blackmon I'll see what I can do. I might tear it down and reassemble it for a video.
Great overview of your dust collection in the shop Shawn! I completely agree with your stance on dust collection and think its great how you've shown how you go about it. I was thinking about doing a video just like this to show what I do for dust collection at some point also. I love watching not only what people did for different shop setup features but also hearing why they did it and what the outcome was. Its nice to see other guys who have put a lot of thought into the dust collection/management in their shops. Keep up the good work!
+Mike Merzke Thank you for the kind words and for watching.
dang shawn!-u put ALOT of time and money into this.but man it works great!&totally worth it. i need to get me a canister top fkr my dc..how lkng do u think they last for? u should paint that hood on ur planer itll blend right in then..at least on camera.:)
+Joe basementwoodworking Thanks, Joe. My plan is to blow the filter out with my compressor when it gets clogged and keep on truckin. Thanks for watching.
Stone and Sons Workshop its not a bad idea I wonder if it would work with the bag filter?? I still have the bag filter on mine..or maybe turn it inside out and use the shop vac to it.. ..ik my bag is covered with thick dust by now..its been over a year and ive never cleaned it.just emptied the bottom half.
I'm sure the bag filter will work.
I have that same dust separator from Rockler but haven't used it yet do you think it is as good as a cyclone. #TIACREW
+Charlie Thompson I've never owned a cyclone, but I will say the separator components work very well in my case.
Why not use 4" pipe in all area's Why did you use 5" pipe for the main runs ?
+Tim Streight I used the 5" pipes mainly for cost. I got a good deal at $1 per foot. I could've easily used 4" pipes especially with the 4" drop connections.
Nice job. I am still debating on pvc or ducting.....you did a fine job explaining and alot of thought went into this.
+Miter Mike's Woodshop Thanks, Mike! I appreciate your support. I debated the same thing, but went with the metal because of the price I found and also to eliminate any guess work with pvc static.
+Stone and Sons Workshop Great work...do u have an estimated cost per foot...once u add tape?
+Chris Trout no. I just knew for $1 a foot for the snap lock pipe I couldn't beat it.
Shawn, this is the best dust collection system I have seen. Thanks for sharing, I will be referring to this video once I get ready to build my system. Thumbs up.
+OG Timbercraft I appreciate that! Hope it helps you when you get ready.
great video. I am putting together a system. I am now leaning towards the snap lock. been to one big box store with no results. have not looked but hoping you have a link or name . But , you put together a great video and very much appreciate your effort.
Am confused with the orientation of the two 90 deg fittings on the separator lid. They seem to work against each other.
+John Lowell They are installed in that orientation to create a swirling motion. The bigger chips fall and only the fine dust continues on to the dust collector bag. Thanks for watching.
+Stone and Sons Workshop, OK, I watched again. But the vectors still look like they are working against each other. Could you place them back to back to get the vectors in line, and increase the distance traveled, allowing for the material to drop? Or, take the exhaust 90 off and orient the position in the center of the lid to allow a single swirling vector? That said, if it works, don't fix it. Great video, tks.
Great update, lots of background and education for all, appreciate you putting this all together.
+Matt Goodman (Pittsburghwoodshop) Thanks, Matt.
Hi Shawn. Been working on outfitting my tiny shop with new tools such as jointer, planer, spindle sander and 14" bandsaw. I've been struggling with shopvac dust collection with 2.5" pvc pipe, wyes and 2.5" blastgates. Just not the best setup. The blastgates clog up and stick partially open and lose vacuum. I was about to build my own when i found this video of you discussing self cleaning gates! What a novel idea. Just bought the Harbor Freight 2 hp dust collector so all of your great ideas will be implemented in my revamped shop soon. Thanks so much for this video! Noticed this video is now several years old, anything new to report?
You have great set up Shawn. I'm going to have to upgrade to that filter soon
Thanks Moy! It's worth it.
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If I understand your layout correctly it's 5" main line runs, 4" saddle wyes at the drops, and 4" flex hose for the drop lines. It looks like your mains run at ceiling height. The blast gates are supposed to go as close to the wye junctios as possible, which puts them at ceiling height as well. How do reach them to open/close? Or have you mounted most of them closer to the tools where they are easier to reach? Do you think mounting at or near the machines is causing any loss of DC performance?
Appreciate any guidance you can give before I jump in with money and time.
Thanks
Jim
How would you compare your "rockler stage 1" dust collector with the Oneida Super Dust Deputy. I bought the HF 2HP single stage Dust Collector last week (25% coupon) and plan on adding the Winn .5 micron filter and "Oneida Super Dist deputy" as my first stage, but your Rockler DIY looks pretty good too.
+Jim Challender unfortunately I haven't had the chance to use the Oneida to compare the difference, but I will say that my setup works very well. The barrel was free and the Rockler "in and out" components were about $20. Thanks for watching.
Great video and great setup -- and a lot of good innovations to capture that dust. My only criticism is the unfortunate choice of annoying background music. It sounds like something better suited to a porn video. I halfway expected to see you to start dancing around a pole. You still deserve a hearty thumb's up despite the porn music for this otherwise very useful video.
+Welsh Rabbit That never occurred to me. Anyway, glad you got something useful from the video. Thanks for watching.
+Welsh Rabbit That never occurred to me. Anyway, glad you got something useful from the video. Thanks for watching.
Enjoyed this a lot! I'm still using a few shop vacs and at some point will add a system! Your explanation of all the components was great and well explained! Well done
+Royers Custom Wood Working Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for taking the time to watch.
I have several of those 55 gallon drums. My shop is longer than wider. Thinking of running a hour out the garage door opening into that drum and mounting the dust collector motor on the wall at the garage door opening.
the thickness planer and the router table with the disc sander were the most impressive. the stock coming out of the planer with no chips looked like it was just being passed through the machine, and the planer needed to be adjusted down to make the cut. the planer even though boxed in is impressive because the chips are traveling at high speeds and to not see any fly out is amazing. the disc sander is be even more impressive than the planer because the disc is exposed where the planer head is boxed in. it didn't look like any dust was in the air. well done ! question...did all attachments fit together as well expexted, or did you find that some had to be modified or joined with other couplers of sorts? the videos i see showing shop vacs sometimes do not fit all accessories nor do they alwys fit dust collection hoses and adapters. is this differdnt with commercial applications?
Hell no.....I'm not getting into sheet metal. All that bending and folding just isn't for me!
+Michael Munro I'm not a fan of sheet metal either, but I didn't have to bend or fold anything. Just snap the pipe together. Thanks for watching.
My apologies.I didn't mean to sound facetious. It's just that I found PVC a lot more friendly to work with. Glue isn't necessary being as I may need to take it apart one day.
Mike.
+Michael Munro No need to apologize. I get what you're saying. I agree that in some instances it would be easier.
I have the Harbor Freight collector. How far is your furtherest tool from it? How effective is it at that distance? Thanks.
Nice overview, Shawn. we have very similar setups. Looking forward to seeing you in Atlanta.
+Jason Rausch Thanks, Jason! See you in a week.
Great work on your dust collection............on your bandsaw dust collection maybe watch "rob cosman bandsaw dust collection" on you tube.......seems to work well ......i'm going to try that shortly........i bought recently a cyclone separator for my main collection using 220v collector......its almost ready and awaiting a wynn filter.....i'm excited for it to get going.......i got the idea from DIY Tyler on youtube too.....check that out ............great work keep it up. regards Phil
Thanks. Yes, dust collection is definitely a must have for me.
I'm in the process of installing a dust collection system in my shop, the only difference is that I used 4" thin wall PVC pipe. I also just installed the Oneida Super Dust Deputy cyclone which drops into a 55 gallon metal drum. My next purchase is the Harbor Freight Heavy Duty Dust collector. I am currently designing the drops for my equipment. Your video has some fantastic ideas that I certainly will be incorporating in my shop. Thanks for the tips & keep up the good work!!
Thanks and good luck.
You did a great job in my opinion. I was glued to your walk through and enjoyed your presentation as I'm getting ready to run my own pretty soon. This is what I really enjoy about TH-cam.....I'll be watching and going to check your links out. Thank you for sharing and the work,time and effort you put into this.
+Boudreau May thank you for the kind words. I'm glad you found it useful and thanks for watching.
Don't know how I passed you up for so long, just subscribed. Great shop, excellent content, and very informative explanation of how-to. You are very inventive and innovative; especially in the use of your out feed table, router, and downdraft. Excellent and worth copying. Loved your dust collection video.
+Ken Whitworth Thanks so much for the kind words. Glad to have you as part of the channel.
Great job on the system and the video! Question: is the 30ga. material strong enough for overhead runs with pipe-strap supports at every junction?
Thanks,
Jim
+Jim Cabernoch I haven't had any issues
I found this video very informative and for me, timely. I have the same HF dust collector with Wynn filter but have been thinking about the best way to run ductwork to the tools in my shop. This was a big help. I appreciate the list of resources too. Just Subscribed.
+Gary Shuler Thank you, Gary. Glad you found it useful. Thanks for subbing.
Man, there are a lot of good ideas here. I have been struggling with changing from 4 to 6 inch hose. Your idea with the snap lock pipe fixes that problem. I would have never thought of it. It solves a couple of things compared to the 4 inch PVC pipe I had used: Its bigger, it does not generate static electricity, and it is cheaper than any alternatives I was able to come up with. Your idea with the sanding table is one I have been trying to think of for myself. I am stealing that one too. I can see you put a lot of thought into this. It shows and I thank you for the video. The main problem with dust in my shop is that it gets into my finish... and my lungs. This video is GOLD.
Glad you found it useful. Hope it all works out.
Glad you found it useful. Hope it all works out.
Glad you found it useful. Hope it all works out.
Glad you found it useful. Hope it all works out.
@@StoneandSonsWorkshop Can you tell me where you got those 4 inch "saddles"? I can't find them.
I would really appreciate the list of “stuffs” you used, thank you..
Great video brother. Sure helped me get ideas, I'm tired of the tiny dust deputy for a big shop.
+jaime banda great! Glad you enjoyed it
That's a sweet system bro. I like the set up for the planer, very ingenious.
Were there any retrofitting procedures for upgrading the Harbor Freight bag to the Wynn 35a?
Thanks for the video! I am about to move my shop and have been wanting to upgrade from my shopvac/dust deputy set up to a real DC system. Two things, first, you had great close ups of everything, but it would be nice to get a nice overview or walkthough starting with the DC and following all the runs. Also, I noticed that you have the stock HF DC system, how come you chose to stick with it stock and not do a cyclone upgrade? Do you find your HF unit able to handle all the things you have set up? Thanks a lot!
+Kyle Veatch Thanks! The system is working great and the stock HF dust collector is working as is, but with the Wynn filter. The filter helped a lot! The separator acts somewhat as a cyclone so as long as it's working there's no need for me to change it. Again, Thank you.
That’s how long it takes to setup a down draft table and get to work when everything is right there. Try doing it that fast when you don’t know where the sander is. And you haven’t seen the hose is 3 years. Hahahah jk
Lol. True
Great video on dust collection Shawn! Very informative... On of the better ones out there.... BTW: It was great to meet you at the Atlanta Wood Worker Show. Thanks for advice on how to get my Son interested in wood working and introducing me to GeekSmithing for additional advice....
+Randy Morris Thank you! It was great meeting and talking to you. Hope things work out. :)
Very nice DC system setup! Lots of work and ideas culminating in an almost dust/chip free shop! Couldn't hear the DC at all. I missed the demo 2x4 piece when you got to the TS (haha).
+MRrwmac Lol, Thank you! The DC really is quite, but mainly because I have it in a closet.
Thanks for the comprehensive video. Some great ideas there! The collection on the planer is very effective! I'm just about to make an outfeed table for my table saw and now have some great ideas from this and your other vids. I'm keen to see part 3 of your new table build.
Also... don't take any notice of the comment trolls... the are some real idiots out there.
+Crawer101 Thank you! I appreciate the kind words. The Outfeed/Assembly Table part 3 will release next week. Thanks for watching.
Not a "Stone" left unturned when collecting dust in this shop.
Great video. Just found your channel and really appreciate the stuff you make. Question: in your router lift box, how did you make sure that the router motor, though enclosed, was still getting air through the intake when dust collection was turned on?
+Jakal Woodworking That is Jay Bates design and he made a video on it. You should check it out. It's really well explained, but to answer your question... there's lots of air moving when the router is turned on and the dust collection is on. So, it's getting plenty of air. Thanks
Great work...one of the best if not the best DC systems I've found on TH-cam! Just starting my shop and found this invaluable. I also want to have my son in the shop with me and I want to make it as safe as possible. Thx again.
+Chris Trout I really appreciate that. Glad you found it useful.
Awesome set up, Shawn! You're definitely inspiring me to get rolling on mine!
+Braxton Wirthlin That's great to hear! Git'r dun. lol
The floor sweep spot, thats a brilliant idea!
+ThatGirlinLoveland Thanks!!
Really enjoyed this video Shawn. I learned about you from the Jay Bates video on the dust filtration system you and he designed. I am retired and just started to love woodworking in the last couple of years. Young men like you should be proud of the fact that you include your boys when possible in this great avocation. I am sure I will look at your video again when I move toward a better dust collection system. Now it is just the shop vac connected to the tool in use. Thank again and keep up the good work. Ernie
+Ernie Souza Thanks, Ernie. I appreciate you watching and for your encouragement.
Do you have any issues with static electricity buildup. I have seen other videos where they ground everything
+Mark Wagstaff no issues to date.
Thanks for the tips you have given me a lot of ideas. The only problem I'm running into is finding the flex hose to use. I have seen how to make my own blast gates. You mentioned Lowe's and Home Depot do they carry the flex hose?
+morris hightower you can get it from Amazon. I have links on my website under the Tools page.
WOW that was an amazing video. Full of great ideas, and close up shots for explanation. Not that we needed explanations as you are a very clear speaker and your teacher type voice is easy to follow, your very detailed and that is what makes this such a Great video. Thanks for all the hours you put into this video.
Thank you.
You posted this at the perfect time for me. I appreciate all the information and explanation you went through. I'll certainly be referencing this again as I build out my system. Thanks Sean!
+Jcope1382 Really glad you found the video useful. Thanks for watching.
Solid amount of info in here, thanks! Only thing I would add is that annotations aren't viewable for people on mobile, you might want to put timecodes into the description maybe.
+Pete G Thanks, Pete! I also appreciate the suggestion.
They sell a dust hood for your planer on CUTECH's website. A few of their planers are just rebranded versions of yours
+WaldvogelReview Thanks!
Awesome video! we have the same table saw in our shop and it would be pretty helpful to see your design of the dust hood you build as well as how you plugged all the holes with insulation. do you happen to have any pictures or footage of that? btw Go Dawgs! Pretty cool to see someone from God's country doing what your doing!
+Zack Conoly Yes! #hailstate lol. Check out my second channel and you'll find a short video about the table saw dust collection.
Great video!
Thanks
Nice shop, so what kind of furniture you are making. Is just a hobby or full time job?
Full time content creator.
Love that out feed table and great work on your dust collection! Would a hook work for holding and easily disengaging the drill press pipe?
+Brian Santero A hook may be useful. I just used what I had on hand. Be on the look out for a video on the outfeed/assembly table after I'm done outfitting it.
I just have a question about your separator, I have only seen them with the tall cyclone top, or a thein baffle, does yours have any baffle or is it just those pipes in the top? thanks and great video, i subbed.
+Alex Campili Thank you! My separator is just the plywood top with the in and out pipes. Works great.
Very well done. I like how you demonstrated at each station Shawn.
+Ted Alexander Thank you, Ted.
Great Video. I am starting a new shop in my 2 car garage. Dust is becoming a big problem :(
+Marcin Michalek Thanks for watching.
Really awesome video Shawn! Thank you for all the work you put in to it! I really like the downdraft table! Does the dust separator at the dust collector work like a cyclone or does the bag still fill up? Thanks again for all the hard work!
+donny carter Thanks Donny! The separator works somewhat like a cyclone. There's nothing worth mentioning that makes it to the dust collector bag. Pretty much everything gets trapped in the separator. Works great!
Stone and Sons Workshop Thanks!
I really appreciate the the time you took in explaining the tool hook up! Great video. So many take aways and tips for my new setup.
Good deal.
Thanks so much for sharing your setup. Love the detail in exactly the parts you used. I am in the process of setting up dust collection so this will be invaluable.
By the way, have you tried putting the dust collection hose for the drill press lower? Instead of on the drill press table, what about putting it right at the base of the drill press? From the video it looks like most of the dust isn't collected, and a lot of it falls to the area of the base. I'm wondering if it would be more effective there. Something to try?
+Matt Inglot I'm glad you found this video useful. As for the drill press dust collection... I found that having it right at table level is most effective because it catches more there than anywhere else. Because the drill bit is spinning and throwing chips in all directions I can somewhat deflect what's being thrown towards me (opposite of the dc hose) and the hose sucks in most of whats on top. The chips below the table is all that's left over and falls through the table. If I were to have it below the drill press table, yes it would catch all that, but I would have more chips everywhere else. Also, another point to make is that most of the time the piece you're drilling is covering up the table (and where the dc hose would be). Thanks for reaching out to me.
Nice work buddy. Looks good!
+McCauley's Design Thanks for stopping by, Brian.
Great vid! Thanks for taking the time to make it. I'm finally getting my system set up so the timing is perfect. Lots of good ideas here.
+Ron1445 Glad the timing was good for you. Thanks for watching.
Wow awesome job seems well thought out. Very nice looks like quite the shop. Jim
+james Mayo (vegascarman) Thank you.
Looks like you have a very good DC setup for your shop, Shawn. I'm curious about any drop off of suction at the tools further away from your Dust Collector.
+KSFWG I can't really tell that I have any drop off. My shop layout isn't that big so I don't really have any real long runs. I'd say 20ft is probably the longest and that goes to my miter saw and I'm not having any trouble there. The lathe may be the only drop that seems to have slightly less suction. I think that's because the chips are heavier, but it still does the job.
Not to nit pick but in HVAC we simply call them "elbows",as in a 6" elbow, 4" elbow and etc. Not 90's and I never heard a 45. But great video man, thanks.
+Scott Davis I guess they're nicknames. I don't know. Lol. I've always heard them called by both. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the good videos. The video was very informing and I think I'll go ahead and start collecting the supplys for my own system. By the way, are you and Jay Bates going to collaborate on any more videos together? Would be great to see ya'll tackle some projects together.
Was your insert plate for your bandsaw just removed for video purpose ?
Yes
Stone thank you well done Im getting ready to do dc in my shop a nd you had some good ideas. Keep up the good work.
+Kristopher Marsh Glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching.
Should make you a box for that miter saw
Nice system Shawn it looks like it keeps a clean shop! I was wondering why you chose the 5" metal pipe ove 4" was it because it made it easier to make all the fittings? There are so many fitting to chose from I find myself wondering about metal verse PVC or drain pipe which has I slightly different diameter and style of coupler which might fit the dust fittings better? The metal is easier to ground and does not have the static charge the PVC does which is nice. I find myselt reseaching much of it like you have done, which means buying a few fittings, hoses and heading to home depot to see what works best at a cheaper price? It does not take long to spend a ton of time and money. Plus you want use as little fittings as possible and keep simple. If you could shoot me an email of your parts list it would be a great help! Thanks Tony
I used the 5" metal pipe because that's what I could find in my area at the best price. I wanted metal versus PVC mainly because of the static build up in plastic, but I'm not sure it's an issue. I would just encourage you to do research for your specific situation. You can see all the parts I used on my tools page under Dust Collection. www.stoneandsons.net/tools Thanks for watching!!
Dust Collection and chip collection depends on air flow, compute or google the area of a 5 inch pipe compared to a 4 inch pipe. (5 inch pipe 19.63)
(4 inch 12.56) now if this pipe was pumping money into your bank account which one would you rather have? Seriously considering a simple two stage less than 3 HP and a Fan 12.0 inches or less you will have better airflow with 5 inch pipe. Another reason to use 5 inches is the wide use of the Supper Dust Deputy the intake is a 5 inch pipe! If you use a 6 inch pipe with the same blower. The velocity of the airflow would slow down so much that you would not have chip suspension in the airflow to get it to the Cyclone for separation. The chips would fall out and begin to build up creating a blockage. This blockage would cause air flow acceleration but would creat turbulence. Turbulence in a dust collection system is not good.this is very much like having plaque buildup in your carotid artery. Or mountain wave effect for you airplane drivers out there. If you have a 5 HP or better blower use 6 inch pipe or larger. I.e. 8 inch! If you went to 10 inch you most likely will be back to the same problem of using 4 inch pipe with a 2 hp blower. I use the HP rating Very Generically because HP is not a good measurement of the ability move air in dC system.
Not to get off on a tangent but similar are the equivalent of comparing LED lights to incandesce lamps. Many equate the brightness of a light to Watts, However we should compare lumen output and the Kelvin of the two lights. Watts happen to be the amount current or amperage consumed by said lamp!
Rant over!
Nice, very informative. Thank you sir.
Amazing! Thanks so much for sharing, this is so helpful!
Glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching.
Great job on the dust collection!
+Peter Matthew Thanks, Peter.
How much does it cost the whole unit and is good enough to use in saw mill?
+RNR masscom I would say it depends on what all you need for a complete system. As for using it for a saw mill, maybe a small mill. Thanks for reaching out.
Really appreciate the tips and ideas. I need to redo the dust collection in my shop.
+AnkleBiter Woodworks Thanks for watching.
thums up :-)
interesting that you have enough suction with a chip collector + cyclone + 0.5? filter
One possible improvement could to add 'top' suction to the blade guard.
Impressed, you do work smarter :-) by investing making it easy and effective to work with
+2n nhys It works surprisingly well. Yes, over the blade dust collection on the table saw will be my next addition. Thanks for watching!
Informative and insightful, thanks...T>
+Anthony Mendoza Glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching.
building a new shop myself my current Shop doesn't have any dust collection "other than my kids with brooms" I was wondering if you think the harbor freight system would pull across a 40ft span but I will also have 12 ceilings. just wondering how you though it would perform
If you went with the harbor freight unit in combination with the Wynn Environmental filter and also placed your blast gates as close to the collector as possible and still be convenient I think it would be ok. You would still have to think about duct size, sealing all the joints really good and all the necessary steps in getting a good tight system. Without those things the harbor freight unit probably wouldn't work well.
Thanks for the video tour. You inspire me! I need to get mine set up now. : )
+Scott House Awesome! Glad to hear. Getting dust collection installed in my shop has been the best thing I've done for it.
Hi Shawn, not sure if you've done a video on it, but would appreciate seeing a tour of your shop. If memory serves me correct, you said it was 20 x 20 - Feet I presume? Would love to see your arrangement for storage of tools etc.
th-cam.com/video/P6MaJATwO0Q/w-d-xo.html Yes it's 20x20
Nice system...Thanks for showing...
Thank you.
I need to get that filter for the top of my HF dust collector. I see where you purchased it, do you have a video of installing it or is it not complicated at all ?? Thanks!! and great video
Very easy to install.
well done. I am fixing to upgrade my single stage dust collector to a 2 stage and this give me some great ideas. thank you for that.
Great!
Great!
Thanks for all the info and demonstrations.
+Donald Fugitt no problem. Thanks for watching.
Interesting connection ideas. Thanks a lot
+Dan Kapla Glad it was helpful.
very nice setup there......works very well...
+Robert Evans Thank you, Robert.
Awesome, thanks for the info.... I need to swap my blast gates out with the self cleaning gates
+Wayne Brown I'm hoping by using these I save myself time and frustration down the road.
@@StoneandSonsWorkshop Just found your channel while looking at dust collection ideas. So you are down the road a little over 5 years...how are the blast gates holding up? Also, how did you decide where to run the overhead piping?
Great video how did u attach your router fence?
+Jay Sybrandy I have t-tracks in my outfeed/assembly table that match up with holes in the base of the router fence. T-track bolts are slipped in the t-track and the fence is positioned over the bolts and tightened down with star knobs. I have plans to do a tour of the outfeed/assembly table in a similar fashion as this video. Thanks for watching.
Thank you for taking the time to help us fellow woodworkers. Like you stated weather we go with your full build, or use bits and tips, we will gain and learn from this video. I know it helped me. Dust collection is not a simple undertaking! I have to comment on how much you remind me of Arron Rodgers of the Packers! Best of luck and thanks again.
Great video Shawn. One thing I didn't hear is how you turn your DC system on. Care to enlighten us
At that time with a wired wall switch. Now just on the collector itself.
wow that was a very informative video. I was looking at the fittings from rockler to add a second stage and was wondering how well it preforms. Do you get alot of chip/dust transfer into your bag or does the first stage catch most of it? Great video thanks for all the detail.
+Matthew Brown Thanks, Matthew! Hardly anything makes it to the bag. Very little fine dust. Most everything gets trapped in the separator even without a baffle.
+Stone and Sons Workshop awesome thanks. I think you just sold me on getting it.
+Matthew Brown It works for me.
Very helpful! I'm following your advice and ordering the metal ducts instead of PVC - quick question: did you find the regular 30 gauge galvanized steel snaplock pipe to be strong enough to withstand the suction and not collapse or vibrate too much? Or would you go with 28 or 26 gauge? Thanks!
+Joel Amundson I haven't had any problems with any of the pipes collapsing. It's holding up just fine.
Stone and Sons Workshop Sweet! And you have the regular 30 gauge installed?
+Joel Amundson Yes.
+Stone and Sons Workshop Great, thanks! I've placed an order for everything and can't wait to get it all set up. You saved me $$$$ vs PVC!
Nice video, I'm going to up-grade my dust collection, just a smart thing to do.The only thing I see missing was a grounding of this system !!! You don't want to go boom !! But love the 55 Gal drum idea. I'm subscribing .