Manager vs Individual Contributor Role | Career Talk With Anand Vaishampayan
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- What Makes You a Successful Manager vs Individual Contributor? Career Talk With Anand
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1.Communication and Collaboration
2. Managing number and reporting
3. Responsible for the team work and accountability for failure and success
4. Taking Tough decision.
5. Resolve confusion and Administration
6.Think and anticipate the risk
I was a bad IC . Coding and concentrating to become expert is not my cup of tea. So i became manager and its been great. I help people who want to succeed and the pay is way better. Its a win win
I think that despite not having any interest in management, a lot of Senior IT employees accept the offer of taking up the managerial roles; just to avoid getting replaced by technically highly-skilled freshers.
True. I’m 5 years into my career and always wanted to move to Management because of better job security (debatable) and higher salary. But now I think it’s better to stay in technical or IC role since I think that’s what brings me job satisfaction. I feel like i accomplished something if I solve something technical but I get exhausted within 2-3 meetings a day. Also, I believe if you are in the top 5-10% in your technical domain, you can become a principal engineer or something and that gives you more edge than a management role. Managers are easily replaceable but replacing a principal role is difficult
Now days in Agile world every one is replaceable. Not replaceable if you have a good hold on the product or domain. We need to be lucky enough to get that experience.
@@rahulkrishna9375same brother
Exactly.. india has biggest population of freshers n seniors of multiple variety of competency n eligibility ll
@@rahulkrishna9375bro you have only 5 yrs of exp. You still need to explore a lot and grow up technically. Start thinking of managerial role only after you have 12 yrs experience
I am very good at individual role . I was promoted to team leader and then manager . I wanted to perform individual role again , but Only after couple of years i have realised that i have been performing well as manager , but i learnt all the skills you mentioned along the way. sometimes the learnings are hard . Assertive communication , there are always people trying to bring you down . All they wait for is you to say something , which they can take up as something . Your videos are showing path.
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Very good summary of the key differences between IC and Manager roles. Being in IT management roles for more than 10 years, I find no. 4 never gets easy. Reason being you need to have self mastery in regulating your emotions/feelings when encounter with difficult situation and conversation.
Most of the time a resource does not have an option to choose between IC and Manager. Mostly after X number of years you are bound to play a managerial role - if you cannot then you cannot continue. I agree with the managerial skills you said - but the individual gets to know these after they become manager even if they don't want to.
All the best.
I was forced to be manager but after working 2yr wi5h that realised ICR is more suitable to me.
This video received at right time... thanks Anand...keep it up
My time my role my thinking is waiting for this wonderful video. Thanks Anand
This video came live on time! 😅😅 thanks for reading my mind
are you not in between 30 and 40 ?
Well articulated and well needed video.
Does all managerial skills can be acquired by training ? I always feel management role is not my cup of tea, but generally the perception in IT industry is once you are 10+ years experience, and if you still are doing an IC role, you are being looked down.
If you are 20+ yrs of experience, they expect you to be in a VP/Director position.
Why a senior IC with good technical skills and product knowledge, who can manage/mentor/guide the team technically is being looked down and not recognized appropriately.
I somehow feel most of the people who move into management role are by force and not by choice, just to show the management they are flexible and it fetches good hike with promotion, even though they don't possess the right skills or mindset/attitude. Another aspect is, after certain point of time, they are scared/tired to keep upto date themslves on latest technologies, so they feel it's better to move to management roles.
excellent guidance to get prepared with the roles and responsibilties
In my sense, It's more of our cultural problem that after working for x years u r automatically compeled to go for managerial roles...but in countries like us a or Europe which I have seen person of 52 age with huge experience still plays a ic and happy with that roles...
This is also same in North American companies. Remember the 50 year old IT Admin lead that every company has?
Per my experience, RND centric companies/ departments demand ic roles. Operations centric companies/ departments demand managerial roles.
Very helpful video this was, specific and pointwise. Made me clear about my skillsets I need to work upon.
Dot on Target1 What a Quality Video. God Bless You.
Very helpful summary of key points to consider in making this decision. Thanks for sharing.
I am always enthusiast to be manager but always been low key individual contributor for more than 15 years in tech industry. In my recent experience my colleague who became my lead got me fired for no silly reason. The interesting thing is company still paid me severance and which I negotiated as well to get me 30% more than what they want me to sign on the Release doc.
I am looking forward to be manager, might learn some evil skills as well to have some kind of self-protection we live in this interesting times where we are going to compete with AI and rush hire-fire attitudes set by the FAANG companies.
Such things happens in corporate world. Be successful.
Don’t know exactly how much pressure a Manager has but as an Individual Contributor since last 13 years, sometimes it seems that at least it’s better to be a manager rather handling 2-3 person tasks alone. I am an SAP Basis HANA Package consultant and always seems to be over a hot wok. It’s like going to a mission everyday which is impossible to handle. 😕
Are you from IBM?
I was an individual contributor n principal engineer for 21 years in product company untill they replaced me with an 8 years experience person. After 21 years if you don't have mgmt experience you will not even get management job position.. india population is big problem, they get 1000 resumes for a single vacant of any position. Besides as manager always puts ball in case of issues to principle engineer.. 21 years I wasted just working harder n harder n management enjoys will all kinds of ESOPs tours n safe politics n jargan talking.. between 12 to 16 years one must find a management position in India.. no one is going to ask after 45 age..
Wow. What a great video. Thanks a lot sir for the insights.This is a gem of a video. I'd really appreciate if you can shed some light on the topic of MBA as a career path if someone wants to get out of IT industry?
Excellent video. Very beneficial
Need to discuss few more aspects such as demand/opportunities of IC vs Manager roles. The probability of getting fairly paid. Flexibility of switching to both roles. I'd say IC role has much advantages unless managerial role is leading you to some exec level OR it's difficult for you to be technical for long term.
Also need to think the same work or profile in a particular field will not be fruitful for longer time... Hence need to take managerial role ..
I've seen ppl getting in manager roles within short span but I always believed that IC role is best than Management roles for initial few years because IC roles helps to gain domain expertise & it gives time to understand about managerial role .
But, I was doubtful if my perspective is right or wrong. This video has cleared my doubts & its explains lot about other things to consider for a manager roles. Thank you,Sir.
Very good points explained in just 5mins...many people struggle to get a clear understanding of what they are made for. This will definitely help them. Thank you 🎉
Glad it was helpful Vinay 🙌
Thank you so much for this informative video 👍 very helpful
Simple beautiful intelligent information and presentation.
You 100% explained all the details perfectly
Superb daringly said.
Very informative👌
Many thanks for such valuable content. Could you please create a video on IC roles?
Great feed back particularly communication and interacting with people is great advice
Excellent!! Clear and Concise.
Glad it was helpful Rakesh 🙌
Well articulated about what to expect if going down the Managerial path. But what to expect if going down the IC role? Also the fear is if just a manager, will you one day be not required in the value chain? Can you please address this concern. Thanks.
Thanks so much Anand for such an amazing insight !!!
Glad you liked it 🙌
Thanks for very good and informative videos, as i am working in Pharmaceutical industry, information discussed is very much useful for any working professionals.
Good points sir
Solid content
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Lot of improvement I got from your videos
Brilliant
Thanks for sharing! This is very insightful. Can you please share tips on how to have difficult conversations and how often do difficult conversations come up?
Great
It is a good advice😊
A good Manager should have skills to encourage team members even if they fail at certain stage
There’s a difference between manager, lead manager and group/delivery manager.
It’s safe to say that top top manager where you manage projects and project managers is the role you need.
Because this is the place where budget is allocated to you and you will have a team of projects managers who will manage individual projects.
Nice
Very good insights...how can we train on these traits if we are totally different in nature
Thanks for wonderful videos and sharing valuable tips, I am in a managerial role and I feel that my subordinates get too casual with me while they talk and they don't quite sometime mind the boundaries and treat me as their peers. I am not really sure how do I get away with this problem. I am afraid if I dedicate any task to them they may take it lightly on the other hand I think if I don't get casual with them I might lose bonding with them as a team. Your guidance will be very helpful
Thanks once again
Yes. @bobybrahmam8653 ‘s remark is absolutely right. Moreover, there are renowned cases of Sudipto Pal, Aniruddha Dasgupta, Rana Kar etc. which shows that unskilled managers not only ruin project success, but also demoralize scientists and high skilled professionals for rest of their lives
I am a techncial manager with doing both technical things and people management..what are your trainings which i can go through to improve my people management skills?
Managerial job is so thankless that if your 2nd level and abive seniors are unhappy or have different set of people in their favorite list of people, its really hard to get any growth in carrier. Your carrier becomes stagnant. In fact, for favorite people also, there is a promotion, but no salary hike 😂.. sabka kata...
What are trainings which one should do to be eligible or more comfortable for managerial role
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Thanks a lot Anand for these insights. What about managers in IC role? Could you pls do a video on it?
Good analysis
Thank You 🙌
Please share any good trainings for management role.
Two important tip when you are a manager, 1. Not to take things personally. 2. Develop a great Emotional Intelligence/Empathy
Hi sir please make a video on onboarding delays of some of the it giants for the lateral hires
Thanks for your informative videos. Finding it difficult to take tough decision on non performing team member. What kind of training should i undergo ? Need your valuable inputs.
Hello buddy, How about politics in subordinates, peers and superiors? Does manager take care of that? Cna you make a comprehensive video on various political tactics and stratigies used in IT?
Last year I made a huge mistake of of moving to people leader and I regret every day. Now looking for a change in this environment where not many roles available. I am poor in communication 😢
It's a really surprise that no company or even these you tubers not talking about identifying natural strengths and identifying the person for a role based on that.
Please google for Gallup strength finder and you understand what i am talking about. Good luck.
If you're good at your job real-time, do it. You'll be happiest.
Anything else is a bummer by another name.
There will be senior management assistance manager coordination manager etc if you stuck higher management will help.
Difference between engineering manager and a project manager?
Managers are required to be technically aware of the skills and tools used by the team. Pure managers are redundant.
Please also mention salary difference as very senior developer or technical lead or any senior in IC role and managerial role for service based companies and product based companies, mid cap or small cap companies.
Please also make a separate content how to climb Director/Program Manager role from Project Manager fast within same organisation. What are key aspects and path to follow while going through the process. Thanks
+1
Iam IC roles, since 3 projects
Technical work carried by individual contributor has more hardships n affects health n social life , than developing communication skills to talk to stakeholders to get things going sufficient enough till retirement. Unfortunately the onus on laying of hardwork experience individual contributor is with less experience managers skilled in showman ship in populated countries to survive. So cutting each other's throat is justified .
And for a person who sucks at managing but also is tired as a IC (Individual contributor) ?
In India, once you cross 40s, its hard to survive in technical roles, no matter what cheesy term you use for it be it thought leader or whatever. One can survive in tech after 40s only if they are a manager.
If someone continues to be an individual contributor, will he be considered as growing vertically?
Hello sire..I am a senior developer with 8 yrs exp in pega..but I wish to switch to a BA role..could you please help me with the required trainings and certifications needed so that I can act accordingly for it..
Sir, one of my associate always oppose my ideas even it is good. He want to implement only his ideas. I couldn't control him,because he is my good friend also. How can I solve this?
As a manager, should i bother employee if they are taking planned sick leave instead of annual leave which is against company policy. Is it comes under micro management?
Sir please suggest some course for learning these skills
Hi, I recently made a career switch. I was into BI development project management for 14 years but now moved to IT infra project management role. My manager is about 10 years younger to me and has 7 years of experience in the same company. He is of the assumption that I know our should everything on the planet because of my tenure and I don't how I should tell him that every organisation has its own way of handling projects. Even though we never had any serious discussion about it and we are very nice to each other but I could see the under current. There are no quality or delivery issues until now but he seems to be not comfortable working with me though I do not have any issues working with him. He always escapes any direct or one on one discussion with me where as I like to talk and discuss a lot with my manners about work and any issues. Please suggest your thoughts.
I am IC+Lead, is that good to take two responsibilities simultaneously or do I just need to focus on one thing? I am a direct manager for my team, but my job title is Application Engineer.
Maybe these points hold good in service based company, but in a product-based company, point #2,4,5 are the sole responsibility of the Product owner, and he is held responsible if the product doesn't revenue/fails if there are production defects, delivery of the features, stakeholder communication to name a few. Managers are mostly responsible for people management activities such as - hiring, appraisals, defending the team, and team motivation
you didn't put effort on explaining pain & gain points of being IC. If you see PM, SME's, product line manager are also IC role. But they manage to get output from other teams as well.
How to effectively delegate work to subordinates?
I have started working 7 months ago(before that I was doing graduation) as a Software Dev Trainee. Now I have to decide which line to choose forward tech of management. I'm stuck and not able to decide. I am a very shy and underconfident person. I just want to go there out and explore at my company and know things. but I fear a lot, which impacts my work because I become frustated. What should I do forward? any inputs will be appreciated. Thanks
Team lead or tech lead is a managerial role or technical role?
Did you get any benefit from Mr Warikoo's course?
Being a BA( Business Analyst ) for the past 10 years Im still not sure where to go.. Bcz when i think of being a PM its not that demand post ( thinking PM is just abt resource managers).. Also im not good in technical.. so as of today im still running the show being a BA and non progressive.. Anyone on this route??
There is dignity of labour in Western companies. My managers who were 60 to 65 years aged were doing the same role for many years.
Here in India, our Labour Laws suck. Companies are not held accountable.
We are made to work for more than 60 hours. If this was in Western countries they would have sued companies.
Our Indian mentality is also to blame. Our peers / managers ask us to put in extra hours. We do not get paid for extra hours.
They think they rule us.
Our own Indian brethren are harming us than any other.
There is lots of work pressure and they don't take vacations with families. It is showing up in our society, especially in bigger cities.
How can I contact you?
Thanks for the video. I am 16 years experienced with technical background in databases, ETL and Cloud. I have been in support project with an Indian IT services major at on-site client office (USA) for last 6 years. I am managing multiple applications and multiple resources ( both onshore and offshore) although they are not directly reporting to me. How should I move forward in my career now? Is technical project management good career path? I am trying to learn new technologies but the scope of real learning is limited in my current support project. I gave interviews for PM positions but the lack of bookish PM knowledge and being in support project did not worked in my favor. Please suggest some good certifications for career growth. I was exploring PM certifications like SAFE certifications, scrum master, product owner and AWS architect certification. Will these certifications help to switch jobs?
Start to support proposals, when one of the proposal signed to SOW you request to own the delivery and take tech lead or PM position.
Find your own replacement and let that person take over your current role. At onsite, no one will ask you to change the job until customer closes it. Remember everyone appreciates you for your current role will not let you go. That is for their comfort. DO NOT FALL FOR IT. DO NOT HESITATE TO RELOCATE IF THE EXPENSES ARE COVERED.
in India after few years of experience we have no choice to be in IC role. right?
Not necessarily
In product based you can till retirement
How as a QA one can move into management?
Its only QA manager or can be a Project Manager also?
If possible, please make a video on this in near future.
BA, QA manager, automation architect, technical project manager, scrum master
In my humble opinion, a people manager will always be a successfull project or process manager as well.
It's really important for a manager to treat all the team members equally. Proactiveness in anticipating worst-case scenarios and taking decisions accordingly are key to leading a team on the whole to success point.
Last but not the least, a manager should connect with each team member individually atleast once in a week informally. He should reiterate every now and then to his team members on their impact of valuable contributions they made towards organisational goals. To put it in simple words, you gotta tell your team members how much value they create for themselves and organization on the whole.
In a nutshell, as a Manager I would want to end up as a Respected manager rather than a liked manager
Treating everyone equally is only in books not in practice. Managers have their own group of liking. People who drink smoke outside offc hours are treated like family. Hard workers are given a tag of loner and in the long run team is left with only timepass employees and not the serious workers.
Have seen some of your videos and they are really good. How do you manage a team- where you dont have resources direct reporting, because reporting lies with Senior manager. But you are a Project Manager and have to manage this team. And resources dont take your commands seriously or dont follow you. How do you manage these situations? @CareerTalk
Hi Keerthi, In such situations...(1) The Senior Manager has to empower you by speaking to the team and setting expectations and also needs to give you some on the ground powers like managing appraisals of the team etc (2) You need to help the team members on the ground on the day to day problems they face (people generally respect you or listen to you only when they feel that you are there to help them).
You may already be doing some of these things. Since I don't know the specifics of your situation I am speaking generally. Hope this helps in some way.
@@CareerTalk5:53
if a person wants to survive in corporate world, only Mangeral roles will work out, else work with no hike till your retirement.
Anand sir I have 6.5 yr of experience as a IC. Want to join as Project manager..Pls share training to become it
Too early. U still need 3.5 years.
Can we get 50 LPA in managerial roles?
All those things currently I'm going through being recently promoted to department's head..
That's true, these things happen on the ground 🙌
@@CareerTalk sometimes it's overwhelming and sometimes it's exhausting with outburst..
How to handle the team where we don't get cooperation and support the manager
Would rather start looking for new job as your manager or company might looking to scapegoat among the IC