John Samson Interview
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- John Samson used to be a word-Faith preacher and even hosted some programs on TBN. God graciously delivered him out of that deception. Hear his testimony of deliverance and what he now thinks of the prosperity gospel. John will also discuss what he thinks of speaking in tongues and being slain in the spirit.
King's Church in Peoria, Arizona that John now pastors:
kingschurchaz.com
King' Church TH-cam channel:
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John's blog and resources:
effectualgrace.com
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Used to work at a TBN affiliate TV station, and I edited our local Praise The Lord program. I remember when the TBN firings happened. It was another event God used among many to bring me to where I am today, in a good reformed church under great elders. Thanks be to God, prayers for Mr. Samson's ministry and for those hearing this interview.
*P. S. - the common key to freedom from false teachings, and one I saw often lacking in prior churches and friends, is the DAILY reading of SEVERAL chapters of the Bible. His Word will ALWAYS set you straight.
Hello. Are you familiar with some of the scandals and controversies in TBN, while you were working at the network?
AMEN means So Be It in Jesus Christ Lord & Savior. Praise GOD for HIS True Gospel to be known through HIS Chosen Expository Pastors like John Samson & John MacArthur & Justin Peters.
I lost my job as a Production Director during the 2003 cutbacks at TBN affiliates
Amen 🙌🏻🙌🏻
What happen with the firings. Did the Crouch's come on hard times? What was it like? Dysfunctional, toxic, ok, pretty good, what would you say?
I wasted 20yrs of my life chasing my healing with these WOF/NAR frauds. Thank you Justin for opening my eyes.
@@atestring1379 New Apostolic Reformation - basically believing in fairy tales.
Justin didn't open your eyes. God did. So all glory to the Lord! Justin just preached the truth
Amen. Glory to God!
Me too. I’m still in my wheelchair.
CrankyPants. I love that name!
Thank God this leader was delivered out of the deception. I love hearing this and would love for all the leaders in Charismania to be delivered.
I came from the WOF movement, and because of God's grace I was delivered out of it.
Me too!
His grace is sufficient ❤❤❤
I am always so happy and blessed to hear the testimony of a believer who has been delivered out of the Word Faith Deception, especially someone who was in the leadership! AMEN!
This is World of Fake. Welcome to the Church of Poisoned Mind!
IF NOT THE HELP OF CHRIST AND HACKERJONAS ON TELEGRAM I WOULD HAVE LOST THE ONLY SON I HAVE IN MY LIFE. THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR
@@aborowka Its called mass psychosis,mentacide.
Last Sunday I walked out of a church I've been vising for a couple of months. It was 32nd anniversary and the retired founders of the church were there and the wife got up to give a word and admitted they were a word of faith church and how it is biblical it was. I started feeling in my spirit to get out of there. She must have sensed that, because went on a defending Kenneth Copeland rant... That was all I needed to know. Praying that I will find a full gospel church soon. They are getting hard to find....
@@hanc37 You better study your Bible away from organised church.
Research the names of God in Hebrew and you will go well.
Buy a Bible with apocryphal books.
I was going to ORU when the pastor of one of the largest churches in Tulsa had terminal cancer. Benny hin did a healing service at the same time at the church. I went to the service to stand in intercession for my father who has MS back in NY. Benny concluded the service by saying " I'm leaving now to go heal the pastor in the hospital ". He proclaimed it so matter of factly. The pastor died soon after. It was very sad but it opened my eyes...
WOW!
Thank you!!! It took me 16 years to step foot in a church again after the PTSD caused by the WOF Charismatic church I was a part of. I’m thankful to find this message and hope to grow in the faith again, leaving the prosperity doctrine behind!
Hi, our problem seems to be connected to trusting a minister bc who they claim to be, rather than keeping Jesus as the head of the body and relying on the written Word to
test what we are taught to know what spirit it is of.
Jesus is our desire and the absolute Truth giver.I understand the confusion, but
we need rooted and grounded in the Word of God.
This enjoyable interview could have continued for HOURS - and I’d still be listening. Thank you, Justin & John
Aw - thank you, Kay!
Yes me too. It would be great if you could interview other former charismatic/ word of faith pastors Justin.
@@mobilesofatvwatcher1703o
Yes! I loved it. Most enjoyable interview I've heard in a long time.
Hi from the Westcoast in Sweden 🇸🇪 I came out of the Swedish Faith movement. I got sick during my time in the church.I went to psychiatric hospital because of phycosis. God delivered me out of the Faith movement and the church where I was in ten years. I wrote a book about it:Chase for Victory. In Swedish :Jakten på seger. Through Justin's videos I have discovered God's sovereignty. So thankful.
/Anna-Karin Stenberg
Velkomen 👋
My Mormor is from Sweden, and my great uncles both live there. Peter Wilhemsson is my uncle there. You may have heard of him, he has written some very popular books. Both on the Gospel and on health.
Lmk if his name rings a bell 🔔
:)
I remember as a child going to charismatic prayer meetings. The leader put his daughter up on a raised stage saying tonight my daughters leg will grow. All I can think is how awful for her if that didn't happen. God does not require us to heal. Our faith is not required. His will is required, His alone!
I love you Justin. You have a gentle spirit and speak truth. Thank you for your dedication and ministry for Jesus. ❤
"He has lost the anointing " how many times did I hear that in the first few years when the Lord delivered me out of this treadmill? What a struggle to undo out of a church things you put into them? How difficult the process of a pastor's public repentance and 180 degrees turn around! It is that second part of the process I personally struggled with immensely and for longer
Awesome brother!
@Amanda Brad who is hacker Jonas
I am lonely and at times not knowing what gonna happen or how to handle my life ahead after I decided to turn 180 to the real God but it worth it to follow our real Christ than remind deceived. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ it took me 10 years to decided fully and still I have to pray to get my boys bach, I trust God will do it for his glory.
@@christinaquiroz I know this is a delayed reaction, but I think that's a spam comment above (the hacker thing). Someone on another comment by a different name said something similar. Just wanted to put this out there as a word of caution in case someone starts looking into it and gets snookered lol God bless you guys.
Justin you have such a beautiful speaking voice and you have a sweet and compassionate way about you. I love listening to you. Bless you.
Thank you for this and John's courage. I am on the same journey out of falsehood after 40 years. After the initial revelation to me by the Holy Spirit, it is taking me time to assimilate everything but I am so happy to be free. But it's painful too when it concerns relationships, but the truth is everything for salvation's sake. Barrie
What a pair of godly, sincere men. God bless you guys and your families. ❤️
I cried after some of Mr. Samson's beautiful illustrations... WOWOW.. I love both these men with God's pure love... Thank you so much brother Justin for such a great interview - such great questions and your own knowledge made this interview a true winner... You 2 men are true role models ... I pray that God keeps you strong, faithful, happy and productive. Love from Canada and thank you so much again :)
I have been healed without going to the doctor so many times without a preacher. I confess and declared God's word and what Jesus said if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed you will move mountains. My children were sick didn't take them to the doctor because I did not have the money, I prayed🙏 and declared healing over him and he was healed. My older son went on a vacation with my brother went to the pool his ear got infected and his face got swollen, I prayed for him and he was healed, his face went back to normal and my sister didn't had to take him to the hospital.
I have seen God heal, too. But I didn't decree and declare. I ASKED my Father in heaven in Jesus' Name, and HE answered by healing. At other times, He did not heal and we went to a doctor. Medical people need the light of the Gospel, too.
God is COMPLETELY FAITHFUL. I TRUST HIM no matter how He answers, "Yes," "No," or "Wait."
What are you trying to say?
Wow God still heals today
That's ok if you did not decree or declare, God still answer our prayers 🙏. God's word said faith is the substance of things hope for and the evidence of things not seen. So when you pray believing, you definitely will receive or see the manifestation of your pray🙏. I can go on and on sharing more testimonies. All I can say that my God is an amazing God, and he is a Great 👍father.
When we pray and ask God for what we need he will do it if we trust and believe in him. I am going to share a testimony. I had a car that was having issues, I took it to the repair shop that my employer deals with. They gave me an estimate of $697 I left it with them while was traveling on vacation, when I came back I contacted them a week after, and the car still was not done and they increased the price twice what they quoted me which is $1300. I ask them not to proceed with any thing. I went home prayed to God asking him to allow someone who knows about car that can give me a better price. Two after I prayed a mechanic walked into my office handed me an invoice, I said to him that I didn't know he repairs vehicle for my company. I told him the problem I am having with my car, he ask me to bring it over I had a wrecker took it their. Low and behold the mechanic called me within a week and told me that my car is done. I ask him the cost of the repair he said $120. I gave him $180 dollars instead that man was soo happy😊 I started to give thanks and praise for his awesome greatness. I have more miraculous testimonies to share but it will be too long. My heavenly father stands by his word he is a faithful father, he never fails. Trust in God with all your might.
After I came out of Christians Zionist. I started listening the way you exposed all these false prophets and false teachers. I thank you for helping me. Justin Peters
@@PETERJOHN101True Christians preach the gospel and don't get wrapped up in side movements and isms.
@@samuelrosenbalm does that mean we should all be catholic then
@samuelrosenbalm no trinity ??
@@asliketheson Not Roman Catholic.
Yes...i remember Joni Erickson talking about being in the “back room” with all the other people in wheelchairs. How sad when these wolves prey on the sheep. No wonder Jesus condemns them so. 😔
I believe God could heal all people but , for whatever reason, we don't see that. That does not negate the fact that God is healing today.
@@matasaina2011 The true Gifts were ALWAYS according to God's Will. God is ABLE to do whatever He wants. Whatever HE WANTS.
Wow! I have been praying for the Lord to guide me to a home church, a REAL reformed church, not prosperity/Word of Faith/NAR, etc. "church".
I live in northern Phoenix :) Thank you so much for telling me about Pastor Samson and King's Church!!
Have you checked into Redeemer church, sound Biblical teaching. I listen to their messages on TH-cam, they are in Az.
@@iw9338 Yes Redeemer is in Gilbert AZ that’s the church Costi Hinn is one of the pastors. Very sound pastor John Benzinger and the rest.👍👍
@@Savedbygrace22 North phnx is quite some way from Gilbert. The phnx metro area is over v6 million people. I do love Costi Hinn and I am sure his church is amazing, Peoria is not far from n phnx. But praise the Lord Jill has at least 2 choices.
James White is in Phoenix, too.
Lucky you!
What a wonderful interview. I praise the Sovereign God who opens the eyes of all his elect to see the truth behind all the false teachers and prophets. Great is His mercy
I remember being at a Benny Hynn "crusade" once in Oklahoma City back in the early 90's. Both my grandparents were singing in the quire and I was a few rows over, just about center left stage near the top seats. A blind woman sat next to me, praying vehemently the whole time for healing. As Benny waved the spirit of the holy ghost over one side of the quire, they all fell down. Then center, then around to my side... Everyone but my grandpa, and myself and of course the blind woman who could not see the wave, fell into their seats. I was watching my Papa, he never fell. So I didn't. From that day on I knew something was a foot
Most of that is Learned behavior
@@indigenous31617 Learned behavior or absolutely demonic!
@@indigenous31617 I'm afraid not, it is demons doing it thru Hinn.
@@merrittascott4408 not true my friend, I was in the charismatic movement or 30 years , I fell down a lot of times and it was learned behavior not demons. I'm sure demons are involved in the whole thing but God protects his people. One thing I've learned since in the reformed circle is that you cannot ever paint with a broad brush for we do not know and we cannot see what God knows.
Thank you to both of you. I too had the exact same "tongues" experience. "pushed to" mumble words, and practice at home and practice letters of the alphabet to expand my language. And can still do it. Wow. I weep over my ignorance. Your program Justin,, Strange Fire and "Fighting for the Faith" showed me the truth. Delivered by God 7 yrs ago. Just now attempting to go back to verse by verse teaching reformed church. Disabled now. It is hard when I realize I still have deceptions I still believe. Pray for total deliverance, In Jesus' Name. thank you for you blessed men of God.
My experience and journey was much like yours. It has taken me years to unlearn bad teaching. At times, I've been a tad frustrated and felt like some kind of oddball, because I never knew when some kind of bad doctrine would be revealed in me through God's Word. Sigh.
But God is so very Faithful. The Holy Spirit has been, indeed, a Comforter and Helper. He is gently teaching me one step at a time.
Be encouraged. His Grace is sufficient for us. Blessings Dear one.
Wow, WOF teaches the same thing that new age taught me as a child! Your words have the power to bring good or evil into existence! Satan needs to get some new methods! On the other hand, it seems to be working so I guess that’s why he continues to use it.
This is so refreshing to know that more people are seeing the error of word of faith. Thank you both for sharing this video. We love you Justin.
My husband had the same experience of being pressured to speak in tongues. I grew up Pentecostal and took my husband to those services. On the way home, he confessed to me he made up words just to get away from the preacher. I’m so thankful God brought us out of that. We were blessed to raise our children under sound doctrine. My children love you, Justin, they love R.C. Sproul. John Piper, John MacArthur, Voddie Baucham, Paul Washer and any reformed theologian. Praise God. I can never thank God enough.
They treat speaking in tongues like smoking, as in come on, don't ya wanna join our club? Don't ya wanna be cool? Then do what we do...they tend to look for people who don't, and try to get them to do it, and of course tell them if they don't then they don't have the Holy Spirit...I was always terrified about tongues as a kid, a kid who got stuck in the Charismatic movement but my grandma crammed that down my throat and belittled me and told me I didn't have the Holy Spirit and I needed the gift of tongues, she claimed God spoke to her and told her I had the gift of prophecy! I hated the whole movement as a kid but didn't know anything else but I remember once thinking can't we find a nice Baptist Church? and being annoyed that charismatics are less interested in winning souls as they are seeking gifts, and the practice of slaying in the spirit disgusted me after I saw an old lady fall back and hit her head on the pew (thankfully she wasn't badly injured and she hid the cushioned part) and eventually I got sick of seeing so called healings that had no proof if they were real, I had no clue that the health and wealth teachings were false, but the things I questioned I wasn't allowed to even question because Charismatics get angry and try to accuse you of blaspheming the Holy Spirit...and on top of that I had undiagnosed autism until this April.
@@PaperBanjo64 I grew up in that same kind of atmosphere. I didn’t truly know what being born again meant until I got away from it in my 20s. I’m thankful that my whole family got away from it, including my parents and siblings. They always made my family feel like we didn’t have enough faith. My mom is a juvenile diabetic and because God chose not to heal her of that here on earth, we felt like we didn’t have enough faith. Well, my mom is still alive and she’s a miracle. She was told she wouldn’t live to be 40. She still is a juvenile diabetic. I was told by one of those people I didn’t have enough faith when I kept losing babies to miscarriage. Well I lost three and God gave me three children. When I got cancer, those same people told me have faith and God will heal you. I’m so grateful I knew the truth. They told me not to have surgery or treatment. I didn’t listen to them. I did what I felt was right and now I’m cancer free. I don’t have those friends anymore because I don’t believe the same way they do and they didn’t like it. They are brainwashed into this health, wealth and prosperity gospel and it hasn’t kept them from getting sick or make anymore money. They can speak in “tongues” and flip all over the floor, run the isles, give until they are broke and it hasn’t done them any good. They have no clue about God’s sovereignty. They won’t even listen to what I have to share with them. I just pray God brings them out of it, but it’s up to Him.
@@robine1018 they don't want a Sovereign God, they want a puppet to manipulate and treat like a genie to grant their desires, the church I went to more or less taught if you went on a long fast God would give you everything you desired...you can tell that was a rich church, a poor church with working class people that 21 day fast teaching ain't gonna fly.
@@PaperBanjo64 Amen. We can be grateful for His sovereignty and His Grace. We know the truth of His Word. We are getting sound doctrine. Praise The Lord!
Justin, thank you so much for the gentleness and kindness with which you discuss this topic. There is no sense of mocking or "making fun of"; as someone who was raised in the PAOC and WOF, and have left it, I appreciate how you approach this. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your kind words, Swena - blessings to you and your family :)
Justin, I'm so grateful for your ministry
AMEN!!!
Amen
I appreciate John's humility and openness. Thank you both for this great conversation!
I’m still struggling with coming out of the WOF/NAR. So much damage I’m praying constantly for God to continue to reveal the truth through His word 🙏🏽😢
He will. He's the One Who is working in you. Be encouraged.
And also, READ, READ, READ AND STUDY the Bible!
Hi, it's been 8 months ago when you wrote this. I had one friend that took 4 months to see the deceptions. She is an avid Bible reader and even went to Africa to teach men who wanted to be ministers.
She came a long way, but still followed Tom Horn and his UFO stuff on The Bakker Show. Still believed in a person who was a false prophet. So, she still hasn't fully been delivered.
You’re not alone. May Jesus Christ continue to heal and lead you into His truth .🙏🙏🙏
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So thankful for deliverance from this movement as well! What an excellent interview! Thank you!!
"I had my Scriptures too" that is exactly
What i said when I was first confronted with the doctrines of Grace, particularly the imputed righteousness of Christ to sinners. I meant to prove the preacher at fault, but that was the bait the Holy Spirit used to plug me. Thank you my friend John for sharing, so much of your testimony resonates with my own, and in that regard I feel you spoke for me too. And thank you brother Justin for holding the line
My friend that’s what happened to me as well. When the Holy Spirit revealed the truth to me I fell into a tailspin of questions and searching for myself and it was through the reading and absorbing the Word that I discovered the truth about grace and what real salvation and grace meant. After my time in the movement I was labeled as a “ lost sheep” and that I was in danger of hell for speaking out against these things. I am so glad that Christ in his infinite wisdom and mercy showed me his grace and has clearly shown you that same grace. May he bless and keep you and may you lead many more people back to the truth!!!
IF NOT THE HELP OF CHRIST AND HACKERJONAS ON TELEGRAM I WOULD HAVE LOST THE ONLY SON I HAVE IN MY LIFE. THANK YOU SO MUCH SIR
May God continue to grant His little ones discernment. And may we, His little ones, go forth teaching & preaching His TRUE gospel.
I can only say if there is healing than it has to be God. However our Pastor got sick and was prayed for by our Church and even his family prayed, but our Pastor was not healed, than later died. My wife in 2005 went into a nursing home and than she too became sick lost her right leg. I prayed for her and our Church Pastor which was the son of the former Pastor. Than this is when I start to question this healing movement and tongues, so on. My wife is 15 yrs older than I, she passed away in 2014. Since that time I didn't go to church every Sunday. Now I don't go any at all. Hard to find a true Bible teaching Church. So I listen to you tube Christian video's. Like here / Justin and John. and others too. God bless
I feel your loss and desperation. I too i've grown in church,a pastors child but now adult and no longer in church with my family.
Church is a very toxic and confusing environment.
I have done alot of research on this religions especially christianity and found we were decieved from Rome and the councils of Nicea.
When the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD,Romans and the Piso family (the then ruling dynasty)took the scrolls and rebranded christianity .
Emperor Constantine converted but usurped christianity.
From the year 300AD RCC has been manipulating the doctrines one after another till today few remember the correct names of our creator and the son. Proverbs 30:4.
So if you want to re construct your faith start from yt names of God in Hebrew.
Read a Bible with apocryphal books.
Peace to you.
I have seen many healing … miraculous all glory to
God and His Son, Jesus. I was in a Charismatic church, but it was not a WOF. There is a difference.
I’ve also prayed for others who were not healed, one of which was my husband. And he was an incredible man! What I’ve learned from this and other situations is to trust God and accept His authority and Sovereignty. He gives and takes away, blessed be His Name.
Jesus teaches us to pray, “Thy will be done…”, not ‘my will be done’.
I’m sorry you lost your and your pastor. It’s a grief hard to bare.
But I’ve found that song “Through It All” …. I’ve learned to depend upon His Love” to be so true.
My husband passed after 2 years in a nursing home, his family accused me of attempted murder,
we list our insurance so we went on Medicaid and list all our assets, I eventually sold our beautiful home, and I’m now in a very small apartment.
But I’m healthy! I have my family, I was not found guilty…. lol f course!!! But greedy family thought he had a big savings and thought they should be his guardian… after all, in their eyes I was after his money when we married. No… he made half of what my former husband made, I saw his heart and lived him without any trappings.
Through it all, I’ve learned to trust in Jesus, I’ve learned to trust in God….
I hope you can come to the same place… Gid is Sivereign in all our affairs, but we need to acknowledge His Lordship, even when we don’t understand and things don’t work out the way we planned.
I know how you feel, i'm a Christian and i think most "christianity" these days is opostate madness.
I've always found that as an odd lie, that if it is healing it must be of God. We read in Revelation that Satan heals the wounded beast and people worship him because of it.
Edit: Sorry, it says the beast's wound was healed and that his power and authority was given to him by Satan. Though the fact stands, Satan too has the power to heal.
From being 6 years old to 30 I went the same charismatic church. I was saved from that 5 years ago. I’m 40 now and attend a bible based church, not a church that seeks feeling a type of way.
I went to one and they had practicing witches in it. Also when your prayers weren't answered you had open doors. It was very denomic believe me there are demons people get them.
I got a similar story too.
Same as I. From birth to 20 years. I am glad God called me out!
@@kristelynstark8066Amen to that sister
@@nathankinman7753 amen to that brother
My first introduction to Mr Samson it is pleasure
Justin, this video has been an answered prayer. Me and my family have recently walked away from the Pentecostal movement and this past year has been a transitioning year, though it may take some more years before the charismatic bad habits are fully gone from the people
This was such a great encouragement, truly truly a breathe of fresh air! Thank you John Samson for your testimony! Thank God for His grace and mercy!
Praise the Lord and welcome to the growing community of 'recovering charismatics!' 🙂 As you study God's word you will begin to shed your 'charismatic baggage.' Some things will take longer than others but remember that the Lord began this work in you and is faithful to complete it. Pride can lead us to believe that we have the proper understanding of Scripture so it is important to be humble as we allow God's Word to speak to our hearts and His Spirit to correct us and lead us toward Christlikeness. We must also be humble as 'ex-pentecostals' and not begin to look down on those brethren who are still caught up in that. God bless!
Praise the Lord! Blessings to you and your family :)
@@JustinPetersMin amen brother! If there is a video topic I can recommend, there is this Latino Pentecostal preacher that is basically the chief idol of the hispanic Pentecostal movement (beginning from Puerto Rico) his name is YIYE AVILA, he is no longer alive but his teachings live on, I say it as personal testimony, I myself use to follow his preachings. Unfortunately it is all in Spanish, it would take a lot of time to examine his sermons and “actions” but I’m sure you have brothers who could translate his preaching for you. It would truly be a bombshell, for good, in the Pentecostal movement for the Hispanic community because no one has really criticized this man and anyone who lifts a finger is literally condemned to hell, literally.
May be impossible but would be something amazing.
God bless you and your ministry, you have been such a great blessing to me and my brothers.
@@NitoLFC12 I used to love Yiye Avila! I most admired the fervor with which he preached and his discipline but at the time I didn't have a proper understanding of the substance of his preaching. My friend told me that later in life he repented for leading Latin America into legalism- not sure if that is true. Someone did a pretty good 'post mortem' analysis of him here: evangelioreal.com/2018/11/21/las-falsas-ensenanzas-de-yiye-avila/ However, since he is dead, the greater modern day threats are people like Cash Luna, Guillermo Maldonado, Danilo Montero and the conga line of *so called* prophets and apostles.
@@solideomusical thank you! I agree, just in my experience, cash Luna and his counter partners are condemned in the Pentecostal background I come from, but YIye Avila is looked at as the ultimate goal. It’s very strange how we were, I would condemn who I thought was neopentecostal charlatans but didn’t realize that I was doing the same… God has truly been merciful.
Great analogy by John using the flood lights on the Sydney opera house to represent how the Holy Spirit illuminates Jesus! Praise God for you both, Justin and John.
Amen to that.
I was in the WOF and I can still do the babbling. I have not practiced that mess since 2003 and it’s crazy how I can just do it...uugghh!! PTL he delivered me from all that!
I can also still do the tongues but I don't know what to do with it.
@@solideomusical It's just learned behavior - you can abandon it :)
Me too, Patricia. I began to question it when I realized it sounded very much the same every time I did it. Now I understand more.
@@JustinPetersMin oh ye of little faith
Justin , there maybe many that it is learned because so many wolves preached your not saved unless speaking in tongues
I’m far removed from false teachers and Calvinism as well
I do speak in tongues and it was never learned
Received it when I was 14 and speak it today at 64
I spoke it only once when I was14 and never realized it was an at Will gift to edify oneself not the body
I could speak it and wondered often how it just came out without effort until I realized it is a gift
Speaking in tongues has helped me greatly especially when I’m i. A dilemma , fear Anxiety or unrest
I find it brings me closer to Him , and it also guided my prayer life as to things I’m particular as to what is on His heart versus my heart
It sets the sail so to speak on the right course especially if I’m aimed wrong either by self will pride and absent of right attitude
These things tongues assist me in. Combined with the fruitful mind of my own understanding
Tongues is a gift and not everyone has it just like not everyone has other gifts
Yes, Justin tongues do exist , yes there are fake tongues, yes real tongues are and can be misused , yes the “other tongues” in Acts were known languages and have ceased to exist once the debut of the Holy Spirit was released in Acts2
I speak in tongues a tongue that is only for edification of oneself not the “gift of Tongues” given to edify the body
I wish all would prophesy Paul says but I would rather speak in 5 words in known language than thousands in an unknown
He was teaching the proper place , the use and the function of tongues each for different purposes
The speaking in tongues differ from the gift of tongues
The purpose ? to pray when groanings and sorrow and pain and lack of expression are there for the tongues when our spirit has an advocate that intercedes on our behalf those words we can’t find to make our hearts cry to Him
Love ya Justin and would love to have discourse
I think you have thrown out the baby and labeled it learned behavior because tongues does not fit your theology
Samson when he gave you the example was a tongue and he can’t stop it because it’s a gift to be used or not used
He is stuck on Calvinism and cesseassionism because he has over corrected
Yeah. My dad was the pastor of a small pentecostal church in SoCal. So, I grew up around some of this foolishness. But, Dad was the real deal kind of person. The guy you saw in the pulpit on Sunday was the same guy you saw in his underwear getting ready for work on Monday. Dad had a kind of proverb he would say, "The Holy Spirit is the perfect gentleman, He never calls attention to Himself. The Holy Spirit is always pointing to Jesus." In my own ministry career--more than 50 years of ordained ministry--that little proverb I learned from my Dad as a pre-teen served me well. Dad never bought into the WOF movement and neither did I. Why? Read that little proverb again.
Yes, Holy Spirit points to Jesus and there is a ministry which is treaching this again! Check out SBN. My husband, a pentecostal evangelist, believed this and always pointed people to Christ.
Another Biblical “proverb” that can stand us in good stead is from Revelation 19:10b: “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Jesus took time after His resurrection to point out how all the Scriptures-from Moses and the Law to the psalms and prophets-spoke of Him. Jesus, during His life, spoke so much of His coming death, burial, and Resurrection as well as the coming of the Holy Spirit, who would show them things to come and bring to their remembrance all that He had told them (including His second coming.) And then John’s final contribution-the glorious revelation of Jesus Christ! It’s all about HIM-the Way, the Truth, and the Life-The Living Word of God who tabernacled among us, and now lives in us.
@@VickyRBensonSo beautifully said! I love that, thank your for sharing it!!🤗🥰
Long journey. For now I am on 45 min. and I thank God for this miracle. Thanks Justin for this interview and thanks John for testimony and being open to God! God bless You both and all brothers and sisters!
"For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church."
I Corinthians 14:2-4
And how would we interpret this passage? Is the current charismatic version an accurate reflection of what took place in Corinth?
@@brianroads3694 regarding tongues, when done in public it must be interpreted and in order (no more than 3 speaking in tongues and taking turns so as not to do so in a chaotic simultaneous manner). Otherwise, tongues are to be spoken in private (in your prayer closet between that person alone and God) for self edification. I would say the "charismatic" movement largely does not honor the Biblical directives when speaking tongues corporately - as it is not done in order and not interpreted for the edification of the congregation as a whole. The Holy Spirit does not operate in confusion.
Although it is not indicated consistently in some translations, the distinction between the singular “tongue” and the plural “tongues” is foundational to the proper interpretation of this chapter. Paul seems to use the singular to distinguish the counterfeit gift of pagan gibberish and the plural to indicate the genuine gift of a foreign language. It was perhaps in recognition of that, that the King James Version (KJV) translators added consistently the word “unknown” before every singular form (see vv. 2; 4; 13; 14; 19; 27). Against the backdrop of carnality and counterfeit ecstatic speech learned from the experience of the pagans, Paul covers three basic issues with regard to speaking in languages by the gift of the Holy Spirit: 1) its position, inferior to prophecy (vv. 1-19); 2) its purpose, a sign to unbelievers not believers (vv. 20-25); and 3) its procedure, systematic, limited, and orderly (vv. 26-40).
This is singular indicating that it refers to the false gibberish of the counterfeit pagan ecstatic speech. The singular is used because gibberish can’t be plural; there are not various kinds of non-language. There are, however, various languages; hence when speaking of the true gift of language, Paul uses the plural to make the distinction (vv. 6; 18; 22; 23; 29). The only exception is in vv. 13; 27; 28, where it refers to a single person speaking a single genuine language. Speaks not to men but to God is better translated, “to a god.” The Greek text has no definite article (see similar translation in Acts 17:23, “the unknown god”). Their gibberish was worship of pagan deities. The Bible records no incident of any believer ever speaking to God in any other than normal human language. no one understands . . . he utters mysteries in the Spirit: it is an interpretive decision as to whether to understand this as a reference to the Holy Spirit or the human spirit. The fleshly, or carnal, Corinthians using the counterfeit ecstatic speech of paganism were not interested in being understood, but in making a dramatic display. The spirit by which they spoke was not the Holy Spirit, but their own human spirit or some demon; and the mysteries they declared were the type associated with the pagan mystery religions, which were espoused to be the depths that only the initiated few were privileged to know and understand. Those mysteries were totally unlike the ones mentioned in Scripture (e.g., Matt. 13:11; Eph. 3:9), which are divine revelations of truths previously hidden
@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness When they began speaking in tongues in Acts 2, they were all speaking in tongues at the same time. So the Bible is not against speaking in simultaneous manner. The requirement for interpretation is only when speaking to people, but to God all can speak at the same time. Thanks!
@@ivanluther3823 you forget that in Act 2, the apostles speak in tongues that understandable by the people at that place.
Acts 2:8-9 (KJV) "And HOW HEAR WE EVERY MAN IN OUR OWN TONGUE, WHEREIN WE WERE BORN?
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,.. "
So in Act 2, it's parallel with 1 Corinthians 14:27-28 (KJV) " If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God."
The tounges must be understandable by the people at that room.
If not, everyone must silence.
You can see the pain and regret in John's face/expressions at having been not only a part of this movement but a leader and influence/example over others. John visibly still hurts over this. Bless his heart. Such a wonderful interview. God bless both of these dear brothers.
Justin, thank you for all that you do to help us be discerning. You have been a great blessing. Also, congrats on reaching over 100k subscribers! ❤️
Nice catch online cuz. :)
Are you related to John Moore, the one who wrote the hymn "Burdens are lifted at Calvary"?
@@jamesc9743 No, most of my biological family on my dad's side actually grew up in Roman Catholicism.
Indeed. And we hope he'll get many more subscribers and the Lord may use his teachings to reach more people. Pitiful that heretical channels have more than a millions subscribers when the truth has far less. The road is narrow...
Great! Thank you!
I appreciate that he mentioned the losses he experienced trying to show friends the truth. It was a consolation to me.
Thank you so very much Justin for this interview, it is so encouraging to hear of other people who have come out of Word of Faith. After 25 years in Word of Faith we too began to slowly find our way out, but have so many friends and family still steeped in this doctrine. It is encouraging to see that God does and can continue to bring his people out. Again, Thank you and John for all the encouragement!
Brothers and sisters pray for my family they're adopting word of faith and prosperity gospel teachings, I've done what I can but they will not listen to me even though I've given scriptures that debunk the idea, so please pray. Have a blessed day.
I will join you!!
God Bless!!
@@DNYaw
Thank you very much.
I’m lifting your family up in prayer for Truth. Thank you Lord Jesus give us all wisdom and direction in your word
@@DV77737
Thank you brother.
It is in my family too,may God open their spiritual eyes as He did with us
I use to be in the word of faith movement. I know all about it. Something just wasn't sitting right. I'm glad I came across you Justin. I have such a desire for people to know the true Gospel, for people to come out of that. Something happened to me 3 weeks ago as I was driving, such a peace and happiness I haven't felt since I was a child. Since that experience I haven't been the same. I have been through so much, if I was to write it all it would be a book. Thank you brother for shining the light.
Same here!!! After years of feeling like a failure as a Christian, or not having enough faith, blah blah blah, I (at 56 years old) suddenly was touched by God about 5 weeks ago and it was as if I had never really known Him! I mean I did, but not in fullness and total truth! It's hard for me to explain to my friends and family, as they still believe the way we always did.
I am certain that God will show my husband as well, though ❤
I know that I am different, and I completely trust God that He will show my husband.
In fact as days go by, God is showing me that He has been working in me a few years, now. It's incredible to me! He is so faithful and His grace is sufficient ❤
I attended an Assembly of God. I asked over and over for someone to explain to me where scripture talks about being slain in the spirit. As well as all the other “ manifestations” - I was told not everything is in the Bible🙃
Thank God, I never saw pressure for speaking in tongues. A little judgement for those who didn’t.
My husband (of 26 years). Was a victim of church abuse as a teenager. He hates it when I say that. But, he was used for his gift of piano. He was never treated well or taught any sound doctrine. He also suffered a traumatic youth, loosing his mom to cancer at 18, in 1982. His life fell apart. No one from
Church loved on him. The youth Pastor he traveled with, and played piano for. Nothing!
I met him many, many years later. I believed he loved the Lord. I was a brand new Christian and single mom of a 1 year old. We married within 6 months. I quickly saw the emotional damage. He’s very shy, quiet, full of fear and ruled by unreal anxiety, has PTSD. At times he was verbally and emotionally abusive.
I begged for help at church (Assembly of God). Was told I married him, he wasn’t their responsibility. If I prayed the right way. Had enough faith. The man of God he is called to be, the leader of our home and family. 100% of his healing/salvation was placed on me.
14 years after leaving that church - he still refuses to live life. He’s still riddled by fear and anxiety. We’re new empty nesters. He no longer abuses me with his words. He just rarely speaks. It is so sad. I prayed every possible prayer, prayed scripture, fasted. Read all the marriages books. Tried to submit and let him lead. He doesn’t lead anywhere, he doesn’t want a wife that expects anything of him. In 26 years together l, I don’t think he’s attended church with me 26 times, but maybe.
He works. He punches a time clock. That’s all he can do. He’s so miserable- he won’t take care of his health. He’s sad, scared, and lost. Refusing to open a bible and learn what it has to say.
I said all of that, because this man has chose to be who and what he is. If the word of faith nonsense worked. He’d be free - probably in full time ministry with a piano. He hasn’t played a piano in 2 years. I couldn’t have worked any harder for his healing and freedom.... he seems to want to be miserable :(
It was so freeing to learn I wasn’t responsible for him, his behavior, choices, or decisions. My husband is. God is Sovereign. That’s what matters. I pray for him. It’s very hard to admit this is my life, and I spent to much time working to save him.
So glad God freed me!!!!
Amazing honesty. Amazing testimony. God bless you, Tricia
Thanks for sharing, Tricia! I was too, deceived in this movement for several years. I was treated very badly as well while in this movement; not much fruit of the spirit from charismatics, right?
But, at some point, during the years God was bringing me out of the deception, I had to stop being a victim and repent before God for my part. My pride and lust for wanting MORE of prestige, wealth, recognition, power, etc....is based in my sin nature. Thank God, in His wisdom I was a complete failure in the charismatic movement! Today, I don't regret the hurt or pain I expierence, because I see it as chastisement from my heavenly Father. I forgive these people that were suppose to be my family in God; that is all because of the grace and mercy from God. I am to blame for my idolatry of the false doctrine and those I looked up to and wanted to be just like them.
Your husband is a sinner, first and foremost. Basically, he sounds like he is angry with God and needs to repent. Pray for God to open his eyes to his own sin and idolatry. Anger turned inward is poison and well cause bitterness, depression and mental illness.
Bless you sister and I will pray for your husband to repent!
I’m so glad the Lord has freed you from the blaming yourself for anything your husband has chosen to do. Now you can pray for him and love him where he is at and ask the Lord to have His way in your husband’s life. Yes, the Lord is sovereign in putting you both together for His glory and your good.
Sorry you had to live under all these lies. Sorry the church falied you so miserably. Be free in Jesus name.
@@EAB-bz6yi Thank you for sharing! This is what I am walking through right now. Forgiving, repenting, accepting chastisement.
Thank you both for this eye opening discussion. People who are in word of faith know something is amiss but can't figure out the disconnection until they step away and get under some TRUTH. I really appreciate you both for shedding light on this important topic. THANKS!
Dear John your honesty is so precious to me.
I love you Brothers both of you. What an innumerable blessing have you both been in my life. I know the glory is straight and true to The Father and him alone. Let it not be forgotten that he truly uses decent, single minded men like the two of youse.
Dear sir iam blessed. Iam from one of village in india, About speaking in tongue, we have a couple of women , they speak like greek but they are villagers and after speaking unknown, they interpret the message in our dialect. They have been speaking from 90s . I believe what they speak is a genuine spirit. They r calmand gentle even when speaking ... i will be encouraged if you can reply.
John, come back to England. We need ministers like you.
Nope...we need him here...(I'm in Ohio so I'm not even close to him but he's just not allowed to cross the pond). 😉❤️
No ma’am! LOLOL
"Wincing when I recall what I did..." yep I feel the same way!
Me too
I’ve been watching the Cessationist conference on Dec of 22 and heard John thru this. I am now watching this one am am so blessed by this man. I was in all this stuff and the Lord delivered me out and I am right there with John when he praises God for delivering him. We serve such an amazing, loving, long suffering, forgiving God! Now seeing how God is using John to help show the truth, I thank you both so much for this and everything you do. God has lead me to so many helping me see truth after being deceived for many years and I thank God for everyone of the many who do this work and out out on u tubes as well. Thank you thank you and God Bless!
Thank you so much for this Justin. I would love to see John on your channel again.
Thank you Jesus for giving us men like this, who tell us the truth of your word. Cover them with your blood, so they can continue to give us the truth.❤️❤️
Thank you so much for this wonderful interview! A great joy and a big blessing 🙌🙌 lots of sisterly love from South Africa
God bless you two gentlemen, truth will always prevail.
I remember JP showing an interview where a word of faith preacher stated that God can’t do anything or interfere in our lives unless we give him permission via prayer. It just occurred to me that there is a being masquerading as an angel of light that does need some sort of invitation and it ain’t God.
Miles Monroe said that nonsense back in the 2000's. Needless to say, he got in a plane crash in 2015...... No one has heard from him since.
Clouds without water part 1
I really needed to see this video today!! I came out of the WOF , being in it for many years! Oh my goodness- hearing this has shined a light on the truth and I am so humbly thankful to God for leading me out of the WOF false doctrine! John has made it so easy for me to understand more clearly- or what I should really say is; the Holy Spirit has made it easy to understand because the Holy Spirit used John. Thank you!!♥️
Hi Francine , try John MacArthur , R. C Sproul , Voddie Bauchum , and the reformed theology I believe it will be salve to your soul instead of the cacophony of nonsensical heretical one verse theology .
@@asliketheson - Thank you!!
You are so welcome . Praise him .
@@Francine1117 I’m 60 years old , have seen a lot now , studied a bit now so I may be able to help with different questions or theologies . God bless you have a great day !
@@asliketheson - I appreciate your encouragement. I am turning 61 next month. I hunger for the pure Word of God! God bless you!
i saw your interview with john samson today. i actually knew his mother. what a saint! john is a great guy and a real servant. numbers 6:24-26. keep up the good work.
I have been in charismatic church and Pentecostal faith since 53 years. I was called a rebel at one stage because I asked questions. I was never comfortable in talking in tongues at times pretending to be healed myself and not. Three years i ago I pulled away looked at Buddhism as I wanted quiet. I then said to myself back to basics back to scripture and I have been searching for a church. But have been watching you and Ling and his wife Robin. I now know where I went wrong
Bless you and your family. I can't believe for 32 years wasted on false teachers Thank you for opening my eyes. Must say i was a bit confused. But been listening to you. So thank you for blessing me. South Africa.
It's the mercy of God that allowed you to be pulled out of error....thanks be to God!🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Also had a very similar story.
The Lord graciously opened my eyes to reformed theology. And slowly changed our church teaching to proper theology.
I think of Job whose friends accused him of committing sin and thus led to his condition of misery. God in his sovereignty allowed these things to happen to Job in order to punk Satan and bring glory to God
Haha never heard of plunked relating to scripture idk
@@asliketheson just another way of saying God made Satan look bad in the end
Would that be hard for the light .
Lovely man, great testimony! Thank you, Justin ~ you never fail to educate and encourage.
Am I the only one (albeit, from the UK) who chuckled when he said, "I was very young when I was born...", and didn't mean it as a joke? 🤭
Yeah. He was being funny. It was more, “cute.” Bless these holy men of Jesus Christ. I wish they were renown 20 years ago, but God is in control and He is delivering “His own.”
I came out of the WOF movement praise to Jesus and thanks to my good friend (praying for me) and the teaching of Bible Answerman Hank Hannegraaff.
@Charles McKinley He's never been sound eh? How so? I mean people love to make accusations, but are not usually specific. Where has he erred?
Hank Hanna graph is no longer an evangelical...he no longer believes-the truth he is in Greek orthodox and has denied his faith
@@bonniedrake8382 denied his faith? So Orthodox Christianity is not real faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God?!
@@IlovetheTruth I can't remember all the details so just Google it
@@bonniedrake8382 So Google is the authority that determines who is saved and who isnt?????
Outstanding discussion. Having come out of word/faith & now decidedly Reformed w/f doctrine is repugnant to me. I'll be listening to this again & again.
The idea that if you say the right words you bind the gods is pagan magic not Christian faith.
These churches are just obsessed with devil - everything that happens is his fault! I can’t count how many times I’ve had to bind generational curses.
Jesus cast them out and gave us authority to do so. I rwas the Bi le and my life has been healed from awver brain damage from binding and casting out oppressive spirits. Some of the stuff is kooky, but not all of it. Jesus was pretty 'out there' in His day. I praise the Lord for His healing in my life!
He gave the apostle the authority to cast out demons. See the book of Acts for what happened to a group of Jewish brothers who tried to cast out demons. The demons did not recognize that they had any authority over them and the demon possessed man nearly best them to death the fled naked and bleeding.
@@stuartjohnson5686 Justin always makes jokes about how these fools keep binding Satan but someone just keeps letting him out.
Justin I remember watching a Sid Roth episode one day and he was trying to show how to speak in tongues by telling audience to start rolling words around your mouth etc I couldn't believe it! Tongues is a gift from the Holy Spirit you don't learn how to do it! I never watched him again after that! I thoroughly enjoyed listening to your video today! Another great video Justin. Thank you for sharing. God bless you abundantly in Jesus precious name 🙏 ❤ 🙌 ✝️
Justin & John, thank you for your continued faithfulness. May God bless & keep you.
Here, brothers and sisters, dear siblings in Christ, this is a TH-cam must see. All of us need to cling tightly to the written word AND the leading of the Holy Spirit who will never lead us away from the truths of the New Testament.
Let's keep this dialogue going. Can we come to the table, Reformed and Charismatic and have a thoughtful conversation, affirm the truths of the Christian faith, uncompromisingly, but lovingly?
Sure . I think William branham was a false teacher . Let’s consider the whole word .
God will never seize to amaze 🙌 thank the lord for ministry like this
I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion. Ive never been held by the word of faith people but I can tell how truly changed Pastor Samson is. I always try to look at your videos Justin...so much sincerity and truth.
No words, AMAZING! So needed for those, who are many (present company) breaking free from exactly what you both talked about. Thank you brother Justin and John for speaking truth. AMAZING!!!!!!!
Well, I have to confess that a few years ago I didn’t want to take medicine for MS. At that time though, I was into all of this “speaking in tongues”, being slain in the Spirit, and the rest of that garbage! The Strange Fire Conference was a real eye-opener for me. Before I watched it, I prayed for the Holy Spirit to give me guidance, and I thought that He would affirm what I was into at the time! To make a long story short, I have renounced all that baloney that I was once into. I wholeheartedly believe that I am forgiven, because like the apostle Paul before his conversion, I had been acting in ignorance. I used to think that I was honoring the Holy Spirit, but in hindsight, I know that I wasn’t.
Welcome to the truth. I was hooked to Joel Osteen teaching🙈. Its a long story😁. Its been seven years since since Jesus Christ opened my eyes one morning through John MacArthur video recommendations, "Why does God allows evil".
Glory be to our risen Lord Jesus Christ for his grace is sufficient 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Glorify to God !!!
@@wacerahchege8 Boasting is necessary, though it is not profitable; but I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago-whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows-such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man-whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows- was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a man is not permitted to speak. On behalf of such a man I will boast; but on my own behalf I will not boast, except in regard to my weaknesses. For if I do wish to boast I will not be foolish, for I will be speaking the truth; but I refrain from this, so that no one will credit me with more than he sees in me or hears from me. Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me-to keep me from exalting myself! Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ’s sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong. I have become foolish; you yourselves compelled me. Actually I should have been commended by you, for in no respect was I inferior to the most eminent apostles, even though I am a nobody. The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles. For in what respect were you treated as inferior to the rest of the churches, except that I myself did not become a burden to you? Forgive me this wrong!
2 Corinthians 12:1-13 - www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=2%20Corinthians%2012:1-13&version=NASB1995
@@wacerahchege8 I believe He allowed your former experience because He knew you would give Him the glory after He converted you.
Regarding MS, you need to watch the movie, Living Proof. It’s on Amazon. This has nothing to do with faith but if you have MS you need to watch it.
Amen to this ❤️ What a great video again Justin. Have not heard of John before but God bless him and his ministry! Really loved the parables of the shirt and the floodlights!
The gifts never ceased.
You're not alone. Cessationism is an extreme reaction to an extreme problem (hyper charismania). All these videos portray Calvinism as the only true expression of christian faith, it is mostly a good expression but it's not the only legitimate one. There are however some great continuationist Calvinist preachers out there like Sam Storms who has one of the best books on spiritual gifts.
As for cessation, "when the perfect comes"(1 Cor 13:10) refers to Christ's return not the canonization of the NT. Be charismatic, but wear a seat belt; test all things.
Some certainly did. You think very little of pentecost. In fact, you dont grasp what pentecost stands for.
@@rocketmanshawn How many healings have you verified . How many tongue babbles have you been there to hear interpreted .
I'll take any examples of the gifts today or from church history
Thank you Justin for your ministry the Lord has opened my eyes through your ministry .
I grew up on a diet of TBN. Grateful for you and John who speak out against word of faith.
TBN was the norm in my home growing up also, but I'm grateful to God for allowing me time to grow and learn the truth.
@@ellbanks123 Benny Hinn, Perry Stone and Jesse Duplantis were household names as a kid, my mom meanwhile has stopped listening to 2 out of the 3.
"We had healings, which were genuine, and we had deaths." I can totally relate to that. In my Pentecostal days, I prayed for so many who didn't live. But they all received the Gospel. And they all knew that someone cared, and that Jesus can heal. Because if he can't heal, he can't save. He said as much in the Bible.
"It was the most legalistic religion imaginable. If you're not healed, you're not hooking up to the power supply." around 13:33. Here, brother Samson hits the nail.
A scripture comes to mind, "The Law is not of faith."
Good job to brother Justin for this interview. We need to look at Pentecostalism very carefully, and remember that the Word of Fatih movement was a subset of twentieth century Charismatic-Pentecostalism whatever label you want to put on it. How are we to reconcile the apparent blunders, false prophecies, out and out heresies, and the fact that there was some genuine good fruit? I heard the Gospel preached by Pentecostal ministers who could quote multiple Bible versions for hours without notes of any kind. I saw countless genuine words of knowledge.
For me, the problem is the flesh, never the Holy Spirit.
I moved from a Bible Church teaching the Word of God, moved into the Charismatic Movement that merged into something other than a true move of the Holy Spirit (IMHO), and now I follow no movement other than the Word of God.
I have seen many true healings throughout my 75 years. Blinded eye healed, hernia healed, hole in the heart healed, sclerosis of the lower left ventricle healed!
So I am saddened that because the WOF preachers have deceived so many, let us not deny the True Power of the LORD who is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Jesus is the Great Physician. He heals whom He pleases for His purposes. And He allows others to live without a healing. He is SOVEREIGN.
@@sheiladale6802 Sister Sheila,
THANK YOU for taking the time to reply and for your AMAZING testimony of the true healing power of Christ. It ought to be preached everywhere because it IS the WORD of the Lord.
It does however seem that within the Pentecostal movement historically there has been genuine signs performed through ministers of the Gospel who later became enamored with some heretical teaching or another. It may be simply that Satan fights harder for their souls and we should have mercy on them. I'm thinking of brothers like the famous William Branham.*
Even a personal acquaintance of mine, the late South African prophet Kim Clement met with a sad early death. He was the one who prophesied that Trump would become President. All of his words are available on TH-cam. There is no admission of wrong doing on the part of his ministry which still carries on. I myself am unsure. Why did he die this way?**
Other non-Charismatic ministers who are are still charismatic in natural terms such as Ravi Zacharias have also met with an ignominious end. This is not how a man of God should finish out his earthly ministry! This is exactly what the enemy would like to happen so as to discredit the gifts of God and the Holy Christian faith.
Today, young brothers like Daniel Kolenda carry on the work of an older generation, in his case the work of the late German evangelist for Africa, Rinehard Bonnke. There are numerous video testimonies of miraculous healings. The Gospel brother Daniel preaches is orthodox and simple.
We are to leave room for the mysteries of the faith, when and how the Rapture will occur, what the order and exact process of regeneration is, and how one knows that he or she has been saved, and if, how and when there is a "baptism of the Holy Spirit" and what that implies. Some parts of these things are clear from the Word of God, and some must be determined by the Church from our community experience.
Thus the Written Word and the Living Word are to be one.
I will continue to affirm the reality of the gifts of the Spirit, the danger of carnality in infecting those places where the gifts are taught and sought out (Charismatic/Pentecostal circles), and the unity of the Christian faith, the one body of Christ on earth.
Please continue to do what you do and have done, seek the true and reject the false, and witness to that which is true.
May you and your household of faith be blessed with continual revelation, peace, joy, upright living, freedom from error and temptation, harmony, long life and every good thing that is yours in the living savior, the one name that is above all others, Jesus, the Christ, the anointed one of Israel, who was to come, who is, and ever shall be, the Lord of all.
*Others like the well regarded David Wilkerson met with a similar end, a fatal car accident at the height of his ministry
**It may very well be that Kim simply died and that's all there is to it. But personally I find the type of prophetic word to be leavened. I am not the authority however.
@@duncescotus2342 Thank you for your very kind and encouraging words.
As for the various ministries and leaders, I do agree with you.
A pastor once gave a message to our congregation after a prominent Charismatic preacher fell from Grace through sexual sin. Among other comments, he suggested that in particular men need to exert power and control over their environment. He suggested that once a man reaches the height of his career, or in this case ministry, he often falls into sexual sin because that act is the ultimate act of power and control over a person.
Others fall into the trap of desiring more power through financial superiority and eventually greed leads to misuse of ministry funds.
The bottom line which we all must guard against is the pride of life.
You mention Kim Clement. I find it difficult to listen to his utterances, possibly because of the style he uses. Only God knows why he and others are taken so early in their lives. We are called to pray for one another, and surely we must lift up those in authority over us.
But for the Grace the f God, there go I.
Blessings to you in the Name of our Lord and Savior, the Lion of Judah, and soon coming King of Kings and Lord of f Lords.
@@sheiladale6802 Thank you Wise Sister Sheila, let everything be confirmed out of the mouths of two or three witnesses. You have confirmed what I have seen. Brother Kim had a true prophetic gift, of that I have no doubt. But let it be a warning to us, the higher we go on the mountain, the narrower the path.
Now, I was taught by a former Assemblies of God pastor, a very learned brother who knew the Scriptures well, and could explain the news as good as anyone. He said many things at the time relating to the 3 required feasts: Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. That Jesus fulfills everything in the Old Covenant we know. But how he does it is quite revealing, as it relates to HOW we grow in Him.
Most of this stuff I tuned out, because I was young and God wanted me in the streets to win souls. I needed basic Gospel tracts and the "sincere milk of the word." But I hung out with good brothers who taught me well, especially Romans, justification by faith not the Law.
But this brother said some amazing things that I remember to this day, and I would like to pass on to you, as they may help to explain what we have seen in our Pentecostal brothers.
1. Pentecost is a "leavened" feast, unlike Passover
2. Pentecost corresponds to the inner court of the Temple, the "Holy Place" which precedes the Most Holy Place, aka the "Holy of Holies"
3. We know that the curtain to the Most Holy Place was torn when Christ died, signifying our access
4. BUT, there is no back door to the Most Holy Place
5. One must enter this way:
a. From the outer court, past the brazen laver and the altar of sacrifice
b. Though the inner court, where only the priests go to do their priestly duties, past the
1. table of showbread
2. golden altar of incense
3. menorah
6. through the rent veil, Christ's physical death, signifying our "Co-crucifixion" with him
7. Into the Most Holy Place where we find
1. the mercy seat sitting on top of
2. the ark of the covenant which has
a. the tablets of the law and
b. FORMERLY had Aaron's rod which budded
3. and is all covered by the Cherubim of Glory
So, real quick, the symbols all have meaning. The outer court is where we meet the Lamb of God, our Passover who is slain upon the altar of sacrifice, and we receive water baptism in the bronze laver, allowing us to pass through to Pentecost, the baptism of the Holy Spirit which gives us: 1. true sustenance, the bread of life, which is LEAVENED!!* It's real bread. It's tastes good and is filling:
"Verily you seek me because you ate of the loaves and were FILLED."
So we are said to be "filled" with the Spirit at this point.
We have, in addition to the bread:
2. prayer authority, the incense, and we have
3. the oil of the anointing, the candlestick, always lit.
This gives us MAN-MADE light however, unlike the SUNLIGHT of the outer court which is all God and none of us. Manmade light must be MAINTAINED through our constant vigilance, 'prayer unceasing." It is in this realm that we learn to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works IN US to WILL and to DO his good purpose."
At this point, and ONLY at this point, may we enter the place that Christ provided for us by his death. In fact it is the very first thing prophetical speaking which occurred after he died. The rent veil.
*So why is the bread leavened and what might this mean?
The brother taught that Pentecost was a blending of the soul and the spirit, and that it was the image of an anointed man, for this he gave much evidence from the scriptures, the statue of Nebuchadnezzar for one.
I don't remember if he said this, but I have noticed that Joel's prophecy, quoted by Peter at Pentecost in Acts 2 states:
"I will pour out my Spirit upon all FLESH."
I've checked it out in the Greek of the Septuagint and the Hebrew and yes, it does say flesh. It could have said "peoples," or "nations" or "souls" or some other word, but it says, "flesh."
This concords with the brother's teaching which I received. He used to say Pentecost was meant to wear us out so that we would desire the permanent rest of Hebrews 3:
"There remains therefore a rest for the people of God."
So much more to say on this subject. Does this witness to your spirit and what you have been taught?
At the time I took it all in, as for a later date. That time is now. I try to to teach God's people in the unity of the Faith.
Saint Paul said we should not be peddlers of the word of God nor greedy by dishonest gain, wof is just checkbook religion and full of heretics and false teachers.
Justin, I always think that I will watch long programmes like this in pieces but they are so compelling I end up watching in one! Bless you and Kathy and God prosper your ministry. ❤️✝️
I really enjoyed this conversation! This message will help anyone hurt by TBN and the word of faith movement, including me. People really need to hear this! God bless you both!
This was a great interview. Thank you again Justin. I have been out of the NAR/WOF movement for 7 years and I find myself sometimes "speaking in tongues" when I start praying. In fact it just happened the other day and I said to myself, what are you doing? I had stopped speaking in tongues about 3 years even though I've been out for 7. I never came to the full reality of deception until then.
I love when we can see Justin's dog in the background of his videos 😆
So happy that John Samson was humble to the point that he would listen to the preaching of the word and cocoon himself into life-changing study of the Word of God.
Justin,
I went to kings church today and listened to this man speak. What you said to him about god speaking and that being scripture really sunk in on him. He referenced some of that idea in his sermon. The congregation was all very nice and quite kind. I did not take communion today not because i can't, just because I was dealing with something between Jesus and I that made it inappropriate in the moment. That said I saw that what he said in this interview is who he presented himself to be today. I was glad to be able to look in on his church. He will remember me he looked clearly in my eyes several times as I sat and listened to every word earnestly. He spoke of a two edged sword, god spoke to me in that message as it can both cut things away and also do surgery to heal. God asked me to go there today, I felt a sense of urgency so I went. God said to me He needs a Carpenter and so I am. I spent sabbath day yesterday in prayer over a theft that left me with no tools, a great liss to me. So I felt drawn to go this morning and to my amazement the services were held in the church of seventh day Adventists. They only rent the building but I hold a sabbath keeping philosophy of scripture though I am not an adventist. As I pulled into the parking lot I had the thought "full circle". If you would please get this message back to him I did not speak to him but he will know who i am. It will encourage him im sure. Thanks Justin, God sees you and is very proud of you because there are farmers who are praying for rain only to have it rebuked away.
I remember TBN in its early years when they did have sound teachers. Then they brought in Fred Price, Kenneth Copeland, and the usual suspects.
Kenneth Copeland , Imo has shipwrecked so many people and deserves so much righteous judgement
@@asliketheson
You are SO right!
I got caught up in the whole PTL Club/Jim & Tammy Bakker/et al schema - a truly satanic trap for hundreds of thousands - ; attended an AOG church and even taught pre-schoolers Sunday School (at 15-16yrs old and less than 6mos "convert"!).
It was SO very easy to get all caught up in that, even and especially as a false convert.
Thank God I and my, now, husband were led to the Lord through the Godly witness, example and Scriptural teaching of a very dearly loved brother and sister in Christ!
Thank you, Brother Justin, for your faithfulness to "dividing the Word rightly" and your constant striving against the powers of darkness at work in the world and among the brethren.
May God continue to bless you, your family/associates and your ministry; guiding, providing and protecting you in your service to Him and His Body.
- Heidi Roberts
Wow, what an awesome interview...it was also a good reminder of how much God has changed my life over the last five years. At time index 1:25:00 to 1:28:00, we called that "Chewing the meat and spitting out the bones". When I was in WoF / Pentecostalism, it was commonplace to accept people with abhorrent and heretical ideas on just about anything in the Bible, as long as that person was "anointed". These heretical ideas are so commonplace nowadays that many in the church have just accepted this garbage.
This was one of the best interviews I've seen in a long time. Mr. Samson is a joy to listen to, humorous, honest, just delightful. He's a wonderful speaker and preacher too. Wish I lived in AZ, this is one church I'd attend. Thanks so much for this!
Praise the Lord for delivering you brother. Learned alot from this interview thank you brother John and brother Justin
Well said John, I was in the Pentecostal Church of God in NKY and the service was to speak in tongues. I was being prayed for to receive the holy spirit and all it was just babbling sounds. Trying to make up words or sounds. So I too spoke sounds and than the ones praying for me, would say that's it, you got it. Well, that is when I realized it isn't the Holy Spirit that is in the Bible. Tongues is another lang. I had to leave the church.
I understand what youre saying here .That happened with me as a teen .However I know the Holy Spirit comes as evidence of speaking in tongues but , it should be orderly in a church service and it supposed to be interpreted by another gifted person .Recently on a very popular TV Evangelist program I was watching regularly , he instructed the congregation to all speak in tongues . I stopped watching his broadcast because that is out of order and I think it makes a mockery out of the Holy Spirit . I truly feel like I am doing the right thing by not watching . Besides that I was becoming concerned about the rock band sound on the broadcast . It was a clamouring endless noise .
@@missb10754 you are doing the right thing . If you want to be a faithful servant read the scripture .
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I was blessed to go to a solid gospel church conservative Christian and missionary alliance church . I believe the Holy Spirit steered me away from that right away as I was drawn to the worldly as a baby in Christ , I believe my sincere prayers to YHWH to keep me in his will kept me out of this worldly nonsense .
This is an awesome video. Man, I keep learning so much from this guy. Justin is awesome.
@Butternut Squirrel Hi my friend. Yes, Justin is great. God bless ya eh! Bro. John
Shalom Brother John!
Thankful for faithful men. It took me a few years to wrap my mind around God's sovereignty. It's like He switched a light on one day using Dr. White exegeting John 6. I was overwhelmed with joy! I was such a failure in life so I had so much doubt. When I understood the doctrines of grace, I finally had assurance! SOLI DEO GLORIA!!
Praise God. Hearing the true Gospel over and over again is ended important for we need it for the rest of our life..
I love this. Went through something similar.
That was a good interview. I didn’t think that I would watch all of it. But, I did.
The next time you read the story of Jesus raising Lazarus you might consider this as one of the lessons. Even though we have a love relationship with Christ, He loves us, we love Him, as long as we are on this earth we will experience the effects of sin. That includes illness and death.
OH MY DEAR! This was like walking down memory lane! This was such a blessing to hear someone who has been there done that. Thank you, Brother John, for speaking in tongues I was (filled) with the (s)pirt 40 years ago and went to many Copeland meetings, Hagin and supported TBN for almost 25 years and yes I can still speak in tongues even though I have not for many years now. People are always saying, how can someone sit under false teaching for so many years? I asked the Lord many times why He allowed me to. God's ways are higher than my ways and I put that in His hads Thank you, Brother Justin!!
God bless you Justin Peters. You are loved by so many. I thank God for true men of faith such as you, that never compromise the biblical truth. You truly have the heart of Jesus.