Those are fermentation tanks. They are used for making beer and other alcohol. They are being shipped empty and are thus light weight, but obviously were not lashed down well.
Coast Guard, Coast Guard, we are in heavy seas and declaring an emergency. We cannot stop this terrible music! Oh and we are loosing our cargo as well.
And that's why we usually use one inch line all around to secure these drums instead of half inch. But the company did save a few hundred dollars with the half inch.....go figure.......
If there wasn't enough force to rip the container apart, then there is no excuse for the restraints coming loose. You would always use chain strong enough to suspend double the weight of the cargo. At least that is what I do when hauling loads on my truck.
The music was terrific. Nice intro, then it sounded like Sade at the beginning, then kinda morphed into a Madonna-like voice. Nice tempo and all as clean and precise as you could want. And kudos for leaving the extra minute plus in so the song could play through. I enjoyed it it thoroughly. Thanks!
+terrabus1 Then again, maybe some other islanders will unexpectedly go into the beer-making business, without having to borrow a fortune to pay for the capital equipment.
Much better, original version of this: "Perils of the sea" on TH-cam now. Much higher definition, no cropping, and the original ships sounds with the crew discussing the problem and reporting the hazards to local shipping.
The cylinders were improperly secured to the deck and to each other. Industry best practices are to stand them on end, in two rows of three, with a large plastic fastener at the top that securely grips all six at once. An oversize elastic band is then run from one rail, over the top, down to the other rail.
Most of the cargo is shipped in squared casks. They make it easier to lash, or "block. There are several adequate vessels made just for sophisticated transport.
Like others here, I'm very curious as to what was in those containers. I've never seen cylinders quite like that before. Were they ever recovered? Seems like if they washed ashore somewhere, it'd at least merit a local headline!
I was wondering what would happen if a captain tried to send a crew out there. No way I’d go, they could lock me up for the rest of the trip before I’d go out there!
I'm sure all procedures were followed, but heavy seas are capable of destroying virtually everything on board, by the looks of it, this was the most convenient space to load these things and they are probably hard to tie down, when one starts rolling and banging into others, sooner or later they all go.
We lost Paper Mill containers in the big Pacific in 98, customer not happy, bottom line bruised till the Insurance check arrived. I love the ocean, unpredictableyet so beautiful, especially in the Lesser Antilles....
for anyone seeking what the pcs were or are they look more like high pressure vessels or maybe storage silos transformers don't have funnels at their base and spout holes to displace the contents looks agricultural or maybe giant beer vats
The forward crane caisson looked like it took a beating. Those containers would've been better secured in the hold of a small bulker or maybe a lumber carrier. The flat deck of a narrow general cargo ship can become a highly unstable area in rough weather......especially for cylindrical containers of considerable weight.
By what I see the lashing job was not satisfactory in the least but all cargo is insured. We had 4 large pressure vessels that went off the deck in a typhoon but the Captain gave the order to cut everything free or they would have lost the ship. The problem was the vessels were required on-site immediately so the manufacturer worked around the clock to replace them in record time so site penalties were avoided.
It is not the ship's crew that loads and secures the cargo. This is done by specialized stevadores. It is however the captain's responsibility (via his right hand mate, the Chief Officer) to make sure they do a good job. If the captain does not approve of the way the cargo is secured they have to do it again until he is happy. In many cases it ends up with shouting match between the CO and the stevadores as the later want to finish the job as fast as possible.
The bosun and one ab where sent out to secure the cargo. Ab ended up going over the side and the ship continued on passage as it was too rough to turn the ship at the risk of capsizing. Bosun and the master are now both in prison for negligence. Was alongside in algeria and speaking to the crew on its sister ship.
That's unconscionable. While it's absolutely true that the cargo should have been properly secured at dockside (that's the only chance to really do it right) and periodically inspected while underway, by the stage at which we get to this video, there's nobody who should be going to set chocks and rig the apparently missing hold-downs. Checking them to be sure they're not working loose, sure, because some amount of working is inevitable and it has to be caught in the early stages. That's a necessary and acceptable risk, if the cargo is secure. But when it isn't, nobody should be ordered out, whether to be made a hero or punished for improper stowage doesn't matter. Lose your ticket, get sued, go to jail, whatever. But not be crushed to death or washed overboard or any other additional stupidity. That's the point. One stupid move is bad enough. That was the bosun, at dockside. Don't make it worse. That was the master, I assume, from your account of who was eventually charged and imprisoned. And I'm very glad that word does get around about these things. Thanks for giving an account of events. It's so much more meaningful than idle speculation.
Those are beer vats! Much like the ones that were transported to Toronto a few years ago. I have a video of them on trailers being moved to the Molson facility in Toronto.
@joepatroni77 You have to understand that shipping vessals are on a deadline and they have possibly millions of dollars worth in cargo and that they are in a storm. Slowing the vessal down to pick up the dropped cargo would take too long and cause the companies to loose money. They most likely called in another ship or heli to pick it up later.
Ive done quite a bit of drugs in my life and never would have thought that this music goes well with this video. Any chance you can let me know what you're on? Sounds like fun!!!
ps: My plan for the (Submersible) transport vessel would work fine with small load's or even group's of traveller's. It would only be about 80 feet long, (a submersible Clipper Ship=Speedy)! I think the old Clipper ship's were brilliantly designed!
@chena3 no, the loading is correct, should be longitudinal ( not across the deck ). but there are no lashings. there must be suffiicent lashings around the cylinders lashed to deck.
Nothing wrong with the music. It actually goes with the flow of the video. Hey ruffneckilla where did you get this video clip. Were you on the ship? What ship was it?
Interesting - when I first went to sea 60 years ago, deck cargo other than timber was anathema to our officers. They would have hysterics at the sight of this poorly strapped cargo with no chocks. Timber was fun, the Scowegians often went by with their decks awash, kept afloat by their cargo. Wind driven pumps too!
most likely project cargo and not tank containers.... and with the sea like this, jettisoning the cargo would be a better option than risking the vessel with damage or loss of stability....
Guys, seriously google bbc news mystery container found on beach and tell me if you think it is one of the containers from this film? Something that looks very similar was washed up on a beach in Scotland 29 December 2007 and had everyone scratching their heads about what it was. There is a photo accompanying the article. If this was filmed in the Atlantic prior Dec 2007 it could be one of the containers from this ship, carried up to Scotland by the North Atlantic drift. What do you think?
the owner of the company who was doing the lashing and the securing on deck was probably very happy to hear the news about the missing cargo at destination :)
@palfcadia not feasible! objects are subject to much greater accelerating forces in the fore and aft direction. thats why they are generally stowed athwartships. only in this case the lashings were inadequate. :)
Well that's a mistake in the video loosing the cargo isn't the worst condition(unless it's oil or any other polluting substance) there are list of disasters that can hit the ship which we were taught in college the worst of them are fire and collision.
.... these are just some storage tanks, and both nozzles are clearly open. By strapping them down you would probably crush them, vessel like these can't handle pressure coming from the outside.
Well I don't know about the cargo neither does the CEO's of the shipping lines but they have lists and clear instructions on how to handle them also they get a notice of instructions from the shipper(Who in return got a notice from the cargo owner if he is not the cargo owner) The insurance definitely wouldn't agree to insure a cargo if it is not well lashed and tight to the ship's deck The video didn't show what did the three parties(Carrier ,Consignee and Consignor) agreed upon And the PSC(Port State Control) wouldn't let the ship sail from terminal if they have a non-conformity.
I am a cargo securing expert! and that incident just comes under "S*** happens" they look stowed correctly. The crew are supposed to check the securing chains every few hours to ensure that they are tights. I would have not used this type of vessel to send these tanks, I would have sent them using a Ro-Ro vessel and secured them internally on Maffi trailers.
I think they had a major lashing problem: I see no loop lashings to avoid lateral shifting of the cargo. The BL may have contained the clause 'deck cargo at shippers' risk, the carrier not being responsible' . However there may be a lack of due diligence on the side of the Master who put to sea with a cargo that was not properly lashed...
No, They don't have any lashing problems the cargo surveyor of the PSC(port state control) wouldn't have let the ship leave the terminal if there any deficiencies in the ship or the cargo otherwise a non-conformity would have been alerted and the ship would be arrested and forced to stay.... And if the B/L must have had 'Cargo to be carried on deck' then it is the responsibility of the shipper(Consignor) or Consignee(receiver) due to incoterms Bear in mind that this is a product OOC which cannot fit in ship's hold or a container and must be stowed on deck The cargo's locks must have been released due to ship's pitching and trimming in rough sea conditions However if the cargo is not handed to the consignee it is still the responsibility of the shipping line Well we need a professional maritime lawyer and arbitrator here because this case is really confusing
yes you're right about the need of a lawyer. However similar cases exist. Slackening of the cables is off course a possibility (and the impossibility for the crew to rectify the slack due to adverse weather) . However the lashing method should be thoroughly checked . Anyway frankly speaking PSC never even comes along in most ports: they don't deal with lashing issues. I've never seen them on any ship where I had the supervision of the lashing and securing. So at least in France this is just irrelevant !
Frans Voogt Hmmm what you are proposing is really interesting and confusing in the same time..Well it is the responsibilty of the stevedoers in the port and it must be checked and secured by cargo surveyors well I once was on a ship which took a huge civil penalty as they started unlashing the cargo in sea(while being in anckorage and port's visinity) by own ship's crew when the PSC asked them why did you do that the Captain commented the crew need something to do and extra money to send at home haha
the point is that whatever anyone does on board of a ship: the Master will be the one who will take the final blame. A ship that is not properly lashed, should not put to sea. It is however extremely easy to make major lashing mistakes: I see them often and itnis money and time consuming to do exactly the right thing. I have seen unbelievable mistakes leading to huge claims. The stevedores' liability was never incurred. Charterers and shipowners were always in the firing line...
watching the video again I observed that there do not seem to be cradles for the cylinders. Moreover I think that they should have been loaded two wide only, allowing loop lashing with an appropriate lashing angle. I do not see much dunnage wood either against sliding...
+nightlightabcd Yes, no, and we'll never know. Yes it is the final responsibility of the Captain and certain crew to ensure that all cargo is secured properly; at least in most countries, but... Even with redundancy, no matter how it is tied/anchored down, it will eventually fail. Even with proper maintenance items such as unusual storms and even something as simple as salt water and/or other weather conditions can cause items to fail.
i have no merchant mariner experience so i have a condescending attitude so i can proclaim this is stupid and i would've done it better .when in reality that translates to i have a small gentlemans sausage so i will make as many people that i can look stupid to so i can slowly fade out of the attention to my inadequacies
I pretend I am a competent expert, so I can have a condescending attitude so I can proclaim that all criticism of incidents like this are unwarranted, untrue, and stupid. When in reality, I am a proud but incompetent and foolish journeyman, so I try to whitewash the resulting blunders caused by my incompetence & foolishness (and the same committed by people like me), by attacking the character of any critics. Maybe people will be so distracted by evaluating the character of the critics, they won't discover my (and others like me) incompetence and foolishness.
Welp u won that one i thought i did a good job summizing (yes i did pass the 2nd grade thank u)the comments section but i have been bested .the floor is urs good sir .i relenquish my duties of floor mopping and leave the job to you and i stand readily (did it again)awaiting any need for assistance i will b at ur disposal
Well the Cargo was 100% secured and lashed when they left the terminal otherwise PSC(Port State Control) wouldn't have left the ship sail if there were any deficiencies....the locks must have been broken due to rolling and pitching due to harsh sea conditions....The sea is always a tough thing even someone who have spent 20 years working in it would get seasick...
Lol at the top comments, those guys need to learn about the "mute" and "hide annotations" buttons... I personally love this song and think it fits the video (at least better than Justin Bieber would, by the way title is Ocean Drive by Madison Park), also knowing that those guys sent messages to warn other ships about the lost cargo is nice so annotations make sense. Really cool video!
legend has it that hundreds of containers fall of of cargo ships a year, and that they are designed to sink, but don't do so all the time, often just floating below the surface, posing a big threat to recreational boaters.
It wouldn't be filled with anything if it's to be secured on deck like that i think... if liquid was to be transported it would be in cylinders in a container-frame
Like I told my friend when I was helping him move his sofas with my truck, he asked "why are you putting two straps on there?" My dad said, "Son, you can never put too many tie downs on a cargo"
Cargo be damned...uhuh...thought of what happens when it falls off? The stability of the ship can change dramatically if heavy cargo drops off, in some cases events like that sank ships in minutes.
To all of you asking why the don't fix it in heavy sea, this would be suicide and no captn with clear mind would allow this. Better to lose some cargo than to endanger crew and/or vessel. In the end it's only possible to fix that barrels at just one end and then cargo starts "dancing" - if it's possible to do that at all. But in the end it's better to let the cargo overboard than a crew member.
Dear Boss, "Awww shit" Signed, your former deck department.. Not that I am a maritime expert, seems like the cylinders should have been secured to the deck individually and together, a few extra chains might have prevented this embarrassment and possible loss, not to mention environmental damage depending what was in the containers, rocket motors?
In a situation like this it's probably best to just watch and let the insurance handle it. Better than sending some guys out there who might get injured or killed, which is a whole lot more liability.
just proves the quality of seamanship the crew has,maybe the mate and the captain need to overlook their crew henceforth on all cargo operations....or maybe they never cared...
I like to think that those cylinders were trying to escape the music being played on the ship.
Oddly enough, it's perfect escape mucic.
No, I like the tune, you can have the cargo
I agree, awful.
Surely putting cylinders on a flat deck and going out to see ir asking for trouble?
The damage was done at the dock during the rigging. Nothing left to do at this point except watch the insurance rates go up.
The sea was rough, but not that rough to lose your cargo. Bad stowing!!!!
Lol. Stop acting like youre better at lashing cargos.
@@tekatoanimeyt3206 Must be. It took you 3 years to break free to make a comment. ;>)
It is stupid to do
Those are fermentation tanks. They are used for making beer and other alcohol. They are being shipped empty and are thus light weight, but obviously were not lashed down well.
Shipping containers can be washed overboard in rough seas.
Oh good, didn't loose anything important. Less booz is good.
Meta Tron Well, they float. And were recovered.
lashed down like shit, where are the top-over twin straps? Looks like the same morons who spilled 50 cars into the east china sea.
Brad Rex they were not recovered
This is how containers should be kept - free range!
Coast Guard, Coast Guard, we are in heavy seas and declaring an emergency. We cannot stop this terrible music! Oh and we are loosing our cargo as well.
And that's why we usually use one inch line all around to secure these drums instead of half inch. But the company did save a few hundred dollars with the half inch.....go figure.......
The music - I'd jump into the sea, too! Fire the dubbing "artist."
Excellent choice of music for a 90's gay bar!
If you hate the music ...Hit the mute button. I despise most of the music on U-Tube today....Mute Mute Mute.
If there wasn't enough force to rip the container apart, then there is no excuse for the restraints coming loose. You would always use chain strong enough to suspend double the weight of the cargo. At least that is what I do when hauling loads on my truck.
The music was terrific. Nice intro, then it sounded like Sade at the beginning, then kinda morphed into a Madonna-like voice. Nice tempo and all as clean and precise as you could want. And kudos for leaving the extra minute plus in so the song could play through. I enjoyed it it thoroughly. Thanks!
I can just imagine the captain looking down at the deck thinking "C'mon baby stay on board... NO DON'T GO THAT WAY!!!"
Looks like some Islander is going into the beer business
uscgalpha91 Not anymore.
+uscgalpha91 is that what they are
+terrabus1 Then again, maybe some other islanders will unexpectedly go into the beer-making business, without having to borrow a fortune to pay for the capital equipment.
+terrabus1 Depending on the ocean currents, that is.
Much better, original version of this: "Perils of the sea" on TH-cam now. Much higher definition, no cropping, and the original ships sounds with the crew discussing the problem and reporting the hazards to local shipping.
Longshoreman from So Cal here. Clesrly, Lashing down the Cargo was a very costly oversight.
+PONCEInEffect You mean NOT lashing down the cargo because I don't see ANY restraints.
+Everett Cox Exactly.
The cylinders were improperly secured to the deck and to each other. Industry best practices are to stand them on end, in two rows of three, with a large plastic fastener at the top that securely grips all six at once. An oversize elastic band is then run from one rail, over the top, down to the other rail.
Most of the cargo is shipped in squared casks. They make it easier to lash, or "block. There are several adequate vessels made just for sophisticated transport.
Like others here, I'm very curious as to what was in those containers. I've never seen cylinders quite like that before. Were they ever recovered? Seems like if they washed ashore somewhere, it'd at least merit a local headline!
beer vats
FemaleLeo67 If that's the case, one has to wonder if the containers carrying the pretzels and peanuts were safely stowed below deck. X-D
Suzanne Gillespie haha :D
grain silo's
they look to be vessals for some kinda chemical plant...they were probably empty and eventually filled with water and sunk...major loss!!!
@Eng8492 Never in a million years would I send one of my men out there to rig those vessels. That's somebody's life right there.
I was wondering what would happen if a captain tried to send a crew out there. No way I’d go, they could lock me up for the rest of the trip before I’d go out there!
Heck, cargo? I'd jump off the ship myself rather than be subjected to the music.
I'm sure all procedures were followed, but heavy seas are capable of destroying virtually everything on board, by the looks of it, this was the most convenient space to load these things and they are probably hard to tie down, when one starts rolling and banging into others, sooner or later they all go.
We lost Paper Mill containers in the big Pacific in 98, customer not happy, bottom line bruised till the Insurance check arrived. I love the ocean, unpredictableyet so beautiful, especially in the Lesser Antilles....
for anyone seeking what the pcs were or are they look more like high pressure vessels or maybe storage silos transformers don't have funnels at their base and spout holes to displace the contents looks agricultural or maybe giant beer vats
Video copied from Mikhail Milykh and re-uploaded in bad quality
The forward crane caisson looked like it took a beating. Those containers would've been better secured in the hold of a small bulker or maybe a lumber carrier. The flat deck of a narrow general cargo ship can become a highly unstable area in rough weather......especially for cylindrical containers of considerable weight.
By what I see the lashing job was not satisfactory in the least but all cargo is insured. We had 4 large pressure vessels that went off the deck in a typhoon but the Captain gave the order to cut everything free or they would have lost the ship. The problem was the vessels were required on-site immediately so the manufacturer worked around the clock to replace them in record time so site penalties were avoided.
It is not the ship's crew that loads and secures the cargo. This is done by specialized stevadores. It is however the captain's responsibility (via his right hand mate, the Chief Officer) to make sure they do a good job. If the captain does not approve of the way the cargo is secured they have to do it again until he is happy. In many cases it ends up with shouting match between the CO and the stevadores as the later want to finish the job as fast as possible.
The bosun and one ab where sent out to secure the cargo. Ab ended up going over the side and the ship continued on passage as it was too rough to turn the ship at the risk of capsizing. Bosun and the master are now both in prison for negligence. Was alongside in algeria and speaking to the crew on its sister ship.
That's unconscionable. While it's absolutely true that the cargo should have been properly secured at dockside (that's the only chance to really do it right) and periodically inspected while underway, by the stage at which we get to this video, there's nobody who should be going to set chocks and rig the apparently missing hold-downs. Checking them to be sure they're not working loose, sure, because some amount of working is inevitable and it has to be caught in the early stages. That's a necessary and acceptable risk, if the cargo is secure.
But when it isn't, nobody should be ordered out, whether to be made a hero or punished for improper stowage doesn't matter. Lose your ticket, get sued, go to jail, whatever. But not be crushed to death or washed overboard or any other additional stupidity. That's the point. One stupid move is bad enough. That was the bosun, at dockside. Don't make it worse. That was the master, I assume, from your account of who was eventually charged and imprisoned. And I'm very glad that word does get around about these things.
Thanks for giving an account of events. It's so much more meaningful than idle speculation.
Nice video. Thanks for sharing this.
What were in those things? Does it happen a lot?
Those are beer vats! Much like the ones that were transported to Toronto a few years ago. I have a video of them on trailers being moved to the Molson facility in Toronto.
@joepatroni77 You have to understand that shipping vessals are on a deadline and they have possibly millions of dollars worth in cargo and that they are in a storm. Slowing the vessal down to pick up the dropped cargo would take too long and cause the companies to loose money. They most likely called in another ship or heli to pick it up later.
Ive done quite a bit of drugs in my life and never would have thought that this music goes well with this video. Any chance you can let me know what you're on? Sounds like fun!!!
for the brewing industry. they are made by a company in Germany and i think they were on route to America, possibly Coors
What did they strap that stuff down with - dental floss? Who would think a cargo ship at sea might encounter rough weather...
ps: My plan for the (Submersible) transport vessel would work fine with small load's or even group's of traveller's. It would only be about 80 feet long, (a submersible Clipper Ship=Speedy)! I think the old Clipper ship's were brilliantly designed!
@chena3 no, the loading is correct, should be longitudinal ( not across the deck ). but there are no lashings. there must be suffiicent lashings around the cylinders lashed to deck.
Nothing wrong with the music. It actually goes with the flow of the video. Hey ruffneckilla where did you get this video clip. Were you on the ship? What ship was it?
Interesting - when I first went to sea 60 years ago, deck cargo other than timber was anathema to our officers. They would have hysterics at the sight of this poorly strapped cargo with no chocks. Timber was fun, the Scowegians often went by with their decks awash, kept afloat by their cargo. Wind driven pumps too!
i've exprienced the same situation once. we have lost 1 cargo. here i can not see any lashing around the cylinders. very stressfull times.
The music is Ocean Drive (Lenny B's Extended Club Mix), by Madison Park.
Nice video. Music was just fine. What does everybody want ACDC?
GREAT color for floating debris! REALLY EASY to see at night!
In terms of ultimate responsibility, who signs off on proper lashing of cargo. Captain? Insurance agent? Head wharfie? Cook?
most likely project cargo and not tank containers.... and with the sea like this, jettisoning the cargo would be a better option than risking the vessel with damage or loss of stability....
This is HORRIBLE !!! the music I mean !
It's horrible OP didn't timestamp it. Gotta sit through 6 minutes waiting for action.
Scott McGillivray .
Guys, seriously google bbc news mystery container found on beach and tell me if you think it is one of the containers from this film? Something that looks very similar was washed up on a beach in Scotland 29 December 2007 and had everyone scratching their heads about what it was. There is a photo accompanying the article. If this was filmed in the Atlantic prior Dec 2007 it could be one of the containers from this ship, carried up to Scotland by the North Atlantic drift. What do you think?
If you can't choose the right music for the video, it's better to leave it without sound.
Jose & Pete - you two get out there & hold that 3rd-stage solid rocket booster while we fend-off the storm.
What kind of Home Depot twine did they use? I also wonder what they were thinking when all the merchandise was going overboard.
Damn it, I said hold my beer!
the owner of the company who was doing the lashing and the securing on deck was probably very happy to hear the news about the missing cargo at destination :)
@palfcadia not feasible! objects are subject to much greater accelerating forces in the fore and aft direction. thats why they are generally stowed athwartships. only in this case the lashings were inadequate. :)
What's worse is the boat that's gonna hit those tanks, bobbing in the water.
Well that's a mistake in the video loosing the cargo isn't the worst condition(unless it's oil or any other polluting substance) there are list of disasters that can hit the ship which we were taught in college the worst of them are fire and collision.
i agree. i'm saying the other vessel that is motoring along and WHACKS one of those tanks.
Mark McCormick
Well said my friend.
My question is what is in those containers? Spent Radioactive material?? Natural gas? Oil? Toxic substance that will eventually erode?
Ever heard of chains,straps,cables? How many of the crew were fired?
.... these are just some storage tanks, and both nozzles are clearly open. By strapping them down you would probably crush them, vessel like these can't handle pressure coming from the outside.
They should've made a giant 6 pack with it, maybe fill it with beer too idk.
farrellhunter you are from?????
Well I don't know about the cargo neither does the CEO's of the shipping lines but they have lists and clear instructions on how to handle them also they get a notice of instructions from the shipper(Who in return got a notice from the cargo owner if he is not the cargo owner)
The insurance definitely wouldn't agree to insure a cargo if it is not well lashed and tight to the ship's deck
The video didn't show what did the three parties(Carrier ,Consignee and Consignor) agreed upon
And the PSC(Port State Control) wouldn't let the ship sail from terminal if they have a non-conformity.
I am a cargo securing expert! and that incident just comes under "S*** happens" they look stowed correctly. The crew are supposed to check the securing chains every few hours to ensure that they are tights. I would have not used this type of vessel to send these tanks, I would have sent them using a Ro-Ro vessel and secured them internally on Maffi trailers.
I think they had a major lashing problem: I see no loop lashings to avoid lateral shifting of the cargo. The BL may have contained the clause 'deck cargo at shippers' risk, the carrier not being responsible' . However there may be a lack of due diligence on the side of the Master who put to sea with a cargo that was not properly lashed...
No, They don't have any lashing problems the cargo surveyor of the PSC(port state control) wouldn't have let the ship leave the terminal if there any deficiencies in the ship or the cargo otherwise a non-conformity would have been alerted and the ship would be arrested and forced to stay....
And if the B/L must have had 'Cargo to be carried on deck' then it is the responsibility of the shipper(Consignor) or Consignee(receiver) due to incoterms
Bear in mind that this is a product OOC which cannot fit in ship's hold or a container and must be stowed on deck
The cargo's locks must have been released due to ship's pitching and trimming in rough sea conditions
However if the cargo is not handed to the consignee it is still the responsibility of the shipping line
Well we need a professional maritime lawyer and arbitrator here because this case is really confusing
yes you're right about the need of a lawyer. However similar cases exist. Slackening of the cables is off course a possibility (and the impossibility for the crew to rectify the slack due to adverse weather) . However the lashing method should be thoroughly checked . Anyway frankly speaking PSC never even comes along in most ports: they don't deal with lashing issues. I've never seen them on any ship where I had the supervision of the lashing and securing. So at least in France this is just irrelevant !
Frans Voogt
Hmmm what you are proposing is really interesting and confusing in the same time..Well it is the responsibilty of the stevedoers in the port and it must be checked and secured by cargo surveyors well I once was on a ship which took a huge civil penalty as they started unlashing the cargo in sea(while being in anckorage and port's visinity) by own ship's crew when the PSC asked them why did you do that the Captain commented the crew need something to do and extra money to send at home haha
the point is that whatever anyone does on board of a ship: the Master will be the one who will take the final blame. A ship that is not properly lashed, should not put to sea. It is however extremely easy to make major lashing mistakes: I see them often and itnis money and time consuming to do exactly the right thing. I have seen unbelievable mistakes leading to huge claims. The stevedores' liability was never incurred. Charterers and shipowners were always in the firing line...
watching the video again I observed that there do not seem to be cradles for the cylinders. Moreover I think that they should have been loaded two wide only, allowing loop lashing with an appropriate lashing angle. I do not see much dunnage wood either against sliding...
perfect example for incompetency of those who suppose to secure the loads to the deck, to prevent such events
Is this not the fault of the ships crew, and captain, for not securing these tanks?
+nightlightabcd
Yes, no, and we'll never know.
Yes it is the final responsibility of the Captain and certain crew to ensure that all cargo is secured properly; at least in most countries, but... Even with redundancy, no matter how it is tied/anchored down, it will eventually fail.
Even with proper maintenance items such as unusual storms and even something as simple as salt water and/or other weather conditions can cause items to fail.
Did the insurers have to pay for this? Was the officer responsible for securing the cargo fired?
i have no merchant mariner experience so i have a condescending attitude so i can proclaim this is stupid and i would've done it better .when in reality that translates to i have a small gentlemans sausage so i will make as many people that i can look stupid to so i can slowly fade out of the attention to my inadequacies
+Matthew Van HILARIOUS
I pretend I am a competent expert, so I can have a condescending attitude so I can proclaim that all criticism of incidents like this are unwarranted, untrue, and stupid. When in reality, I am a proud but incompetent and foolish journeyman, so I try to whitewash the resulting blunders caused by my incompetence & foolishness (and the same committed by people like me), by attacking the character of any critics. Maybe people will be so distracted by evaluating the character of the critics, they won't discover my (and others like me) incompetence and foolishness.
Welp u won that one i thought i did a good job summizing (yes i did pass the 2nd grade thank u)the comments section but i have been bested .the floor is urs good sir .i relenquish my duties of floor mopping and leave the job to you and i stand readily (did it again)awaiting any need for assistance i will b at ur disposal
Well the Cargo was 100% secured and lashed when they left the terminal otherwise PSC(Port State Control) wouldn't have left the ship sail if there were any deficiencies....the locks must have been broken due to rolling and pitching due to harsh sea conditions....The sea is always a tough thing even someone who have spent 20 years working in it would get seasick...
I can kick both of your asses 'cause I have a black belt in Kung Fu. Also I drive a Ferrari and I'm married to a supermodel.
Lol at the top comments, those guys need to learn about the "mute" and "hide annotations" buttons... I personally love this song and think it fits the video (at least better than Justin Bieber would, by the way title is Ocean Drive by Madison Park), also knowing that those guys sent messages to warn other ships about the lost cargo is nice so annotations make sense. Really cool video!
legend has it that hundreds of containers fall of of cargo ships a year, and that they are designed to sink, but don't do so all the time, often just floating below the surface, posing a big threat to recreational boaters.
Where did those two tanks or silos finally wound up and if they were still salvageable?
Do ships report the position of lost cargo in order to avoid collisions with other vessels?
Ocean & what lurks below the surface terrifies me. Never set foot on a boat. 👋 🇦🇺
WHO IS THE SINGER ??
Was that music being played at main deck?
Ocean Drive by Madison Park
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@MrTakeBackAmerica I always think of that. Those men were the bravest we have ever known in human history. The risks, the unknowns, what balls.
you must tie up your cargo before deparature
How in the world would you ever recover those cans? is there a crane or hoist on the ship? Thats crazy!!!
"Hey Charlie why don't you run out there and see if you can refasten that loose tank"!
It wouldn't be filled with anything if it's to be secured on deck like that i think... if liquid was to be transported it would be in cylinders in a container-frame
these can wreck havoc on a passing vessel while floating at sea
Like I told my friend when I was helping him move his sofas with my truck, he asked "why are you putting two straps on there?" My dad said, "Son, you can never put too many tie downs on a cargo"
Cargo be damned...uhuh...thought of what happens when it falls off? The stability of the ship can change dramatically if heavy cargo drops off, in some cases events like that sank ships in minutes.
To all of you asking why the don't fix it in heavy sea, this would be suicide and no captn with clear mind would allow this. Better to lose some cargo than to endanger crew and/or vessel. In the end it's only possible to fix that barrels at just one end and then cargo starts "dancing" - if it's possible to do that at all. But in the end it's better to let the cargo overboard than a crew member.
Video footage was excellent. Music was fine. I don't know what kind of tune many of you expected.
Clearly those were the cargo. They were being delivered somewhere and were empty....why do people here think there was something in them?
Why do you assume they were empty? Oil floats too.
SuperLordHawHaw
Noting is in them u stupid .
How do you know? You the idiot who lost them?
SuperLordHawHaw
I more a lot of heavy stuff and know how physic work its obvious they empty .
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Im sure their cargo insurance paid for it. What really mean is you paid for it. if it was insured.
Dear Boss, "Awww shit" Signed, your former deck department..
Not that I am a maritime expert, seems like the cylinders should have been secured to the deck individually and together, a few extra chains might have prevented this embarrassment and possible loss, not to mention environmental damage depending what was in the containers, rocket motors?
Rave music?? Can you remember before this interwebbynet thingy-ma-bob was here and all this was just fields? ;)
Thats why those things should be square... Or in some sort of square cargo bin
who is the artist?Great music!
It seems that, Captain and C/O did not take measures for the appropriate cargo lashing on deck. They are the only responsibles.
Wilson I am sorry Wilson, Wilson!!!
And that kids, is how we get rid of toxic waste.
tip of the iceberg! loads of lost cargos lurking about!nice tune though!
nice music - what's the name of the song?
Madison Park - Ocean Drive
Sergei K
Thank you Sergel!
An insurance company must have had quite a surprise by the end of the trip.
Perfect choice of music to this video!
i like how the music kind of makes this awful situation less tragic.... hahaha
I just googled it and you are totally right. Good one sir!
I'm listening to it again and not minding it this time. So maybe you're right.
A deck officer's nightmare. What was in those cylinders?
In a situation like this it's probably best to just watch and let the insurance handle it. Better than sending some guys out there who might get injured or killed, which is a whole lot more liability.
just proves the quality of seamanship the crew has,maybe the mate and the captain need to overlook their crew henceforth on all cargo operations....or maybe they never cared...