Tom's Losing It | Real Couchwives Podcast #23

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  • @pamelagoodman7559
    @pamelagoodman7559 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think the most important misunderstanding that Lisa has is not to recognize how DANGEROUS mentally and emotionally a narcissist is to the partner they’re victimizing. If she’d go on TikTok and listen to the creators who have been traumatized by someone with a narcissistic personality disorder, she’d see the disastrous result of being in a relationship with one. I think Ariana is likely to examine and see how much she was manipulated by Tom, and what made her vulnerable to this kind of person. The victim of a narcissist is never blameworthy for being screwed around by a narcissist.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think you’re so right, I think we hear words like “narcissist” and don’t quite fully grasp how serious it is. There’s still a lot of work around educating people what disorders like narcissism mean, and how it can affect people and their relationships. For people like Lisa, I think they still see it as quite trivial and it’s unfortunate because she’s remaining pretty loyal to Tom because of it. We’re just happy to see Ariana out of that relationship and to see her thriving! ❤️💜

  • @mbar7989
    @mbar7989 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    i am still waiting for a scene that shows this “intense connection” .. all we have seen is awkward cringiness - and its gross

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Oh my god what a good point! It’s true, we really haven’t seen any chemistry between the two of them 🤔🤔

    • @akelly4207
      @akelly4207 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I honestly think the intense connection was for danger, not each other. They both had a lot to lose if they were caught so the sneaking around in front of everyone, us included made them feel amazing, powerful, wild. Add partying, drink and drugs and the whole atmosphere was pretty high. Not real life, not daily struggles, not substantial. I think that’s why their scenes together are so awkward. They are now reality based situations and it isn’t working.

    • @cindyzuehlke1102
      @cindyzuehlke1102 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hard to say when a 40 year old acts like a forever teenager and a 28 year old not growing up at all yet, her parents will pay for whatever as she goes full on trash. They both have to win whatever the game of the day is.

    • @theresaterry164
      @theresaterry164 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think they became addicted to the sneaking around, and feeling like they won by getting away with it. Sick

  • @candifardoe6124
    @candifardoe6124 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Slimedovile got what he wanted, the show all about him!😂 Be careful what you wish for😘

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sure did! And now he gets to watch Ariana get alllll this success too 😘😘

  • @newyorkvegas4121
    @newyorkvegas4121 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    In the scene with the two Toms the day he went to the doctors. You can see how staged the conversation was between the two of them. You know Sandoval gave Schwartz the questions to ask so that he could blame it on Ariana. So phoney!

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So phoney! Those conversations between the Toms this season were so hard to watch knowing they were setting Ariana up. I think Schwartz is super lucky he’s flown under the radar so far for his participation in those conversations, and I hope we get to see that addressed in the final part of the reunion 😠😠

  • @KarensZoo
    @KarensZoo ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Raquel is going to have a very tough time finding friends. I believe that it was more hurtful that Ariana had such a close friend betray her this way. She said Men are trash, and basically you expect them to do this stuff, but not your very best friends

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think so too! Raquel is going to need to do some deep soul searching, and really come to terms with what she’s done before she’s going to be able to develop real friendships again. ❤️❤️

    • @Jules-oo4rr
      @Jules-oo4rr ปีที่แล้ว

      They were all jealous of her so who needs these bitches as friends

    • @happyhannah1422
      @happyhannah1422 ปีที่แล้ว

      She's gay that's what gay women say

    • @theresaterry164
      @theresaterry164 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any woman in her right mind would stay away from her….. if she could do what she did to Ariana and Scheana…who were very good to her……

  • @the_glitter_is
    @the_glitter_is ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Can we talk about the comment about James assaulting a woman? While we definitely need to learn more about it in a responsible way & it's great to see others agree, what I feel is being glossed over is how the Toms brought it up.
    They didn't bring up what happened to help the victim, but instead to hurt James.
    Basically, these men were just fine being friends w/James & never called him out until it could be weaponized to serve themselves. So yes Lisa, these men are DANGEROUS.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is such a good point!! It’s so hard to enjoy James for the comic relief he is on the show, and then also acknowledge that he’s been very abusive and mean over almost all the seasons that we have seen him. And in fact, Sandoval has spent almost every season defending James’ right to this bad behaviour under the guise of “everyone acts this way, only James gets in trouble for it” 😡😡

    • @the_glitter_is
      @the_glitter_is ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@therealcouchwives Uh & don't get me started on his fat shaming. But seriously, it terrifies me as to what else these toxic dudes are hiding.

  • @zebrawarriorprincess1748
    @zebrawarriorprincess1748 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think Ariana is right he does like to coach people. He likes to tell Schwartz what to do and what to say. Ariana was his ride or die and did nothing but apologize for his behaviour in the past for his choice of words not her own. As for Tom, somethings gone haywire upstairs because he can’t even defend an argument on set. I know you are, but what am I doesn’t really hold merit. Lol.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That’s just it, he’s been telling Schwartz how to feel about things for years, and he’s been able to hide behind the bad behaviour of other cast members, and now we’re finally fully seeing him for who he is. And it’s unfortunate that Ariana had to spend so many years defending this man, just for him to turn around and do this to her, unacceptable 🚫🚫

  • @candifardoe6124
    @candifardoe6124 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Slime's realization that Ratchet was watching the reunion in realtime was priceless! I cs t believe he snowed her with the fashion comment to justify him still sleeping with his SO of 9yrz😮🫣🤔

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Too good right?? And love that it resulted in him blowing up at production, and all of us getting to see his true colours. Though we do not condone his behaviour as the producers are just trying to do their job. 🙄🙄

  • @bexxgenx3165
    @bexxgenx3165 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You're both giving Raquel WAY too much grace imo. She was brought up in the patent circuit. There is SO much training that goes into keeping emotions in check and push forward, and doing whatever it takes to WIN. Which is exactly what I think her mindset was. "Winning" Tom and leveling up.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s very possible, I definitely don’t know much about the pageant world but can imagine it’s very calculating and toxic. At this point, I think she sees what “winning” has cost her, I hope he was worth it 😏😏

    • @BettyR-qd2zr
      @BettyR-qd2zr ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She even talked about leveling up on the show this season.

  • @candifardoe6124
    @candifardoe6124 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Ratchet's wardrobe choices were puzzling. First was the job interview blazer and she paired it with the pretty woman thigh highs. Then at the reunion filming, she comes with this seafoqm satin toga. It looked like she swiped a bed sheet to make it. Makes me wonder if it was Scheanna's or Ariana's sheet?! 🤔 Inquiring minds want to know😂

    • @cherylbarnett579
      @cherylbarnett579 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Candy, youre right! Ratchette comes across as a classless, NO talent, wannabe!

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The outfits were such polar opposites of one another, and then of course the full black outfit she wore for the behind the scenes part to match with Sandoval 🙄🙄

    • @candifardoe6124
      @candifardoe6124 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @The Real Couchwives the black and white heart sweater seemed way to heavy for LA weather. It's more appropriate for where I live in Canada in February. Then she had that 80's black bodysuit top under it when she had to take it off, maybe she was finally feeling the heat?!

    • @happyhannah1422
      @happyhannah1422 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anything else you Women can say about raquels clothes check yourselves

    • @candifardoe6124
      @candifardoe6124 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@happyhannah1422 huh?

  • @rachelprater2916
    @rachelprater2916 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm loving Ariana's hot sexy revenge dress & Raquel's dress SCREAMS mistress dress. Oof THEY speak volumes about Their characters. & No surprise who's team I'm on ❤️AM!

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh my god, the revenge dress of the century! Love to see it for Ariana! ❤️❤️

    • @happyhannah1422
      @happyhannah1422 ปีที่แล้ว

      You got that backwards red was mistress green was safe

    • @rachelprater2916
      @rachelprater2916 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@happyhannah1422 I was referring to More of the style Hun, color wasn't so much My point. Her off the shoulder already half undressed* look, screamed mistress: look at me, look at me...
      Bleecht. It was just gross imo.

  • @karenbarrett6734
    @karenbarrett6734 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Pretty sure her PR crisis team made Rachel’s interview fashion choices Another disaster.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A total disaster, and I know it’s just the one on one, but I really wish they had coordinated their outfits a bit, or given them some kind of instruction, they all looked like they were dressed for completely different occasions 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

    • @jakestroll6518
      @jakestroll6518 ปีที่แล้ว

      CAN she afford a crisis team? At best she got a rinky-dink publicist who advised to give that obviously staged paparazzi interview and then announce she’s off to rehab. This isn’t a crisis team, it’s Mickey Mouse with a business card.

  • @palmer1290
    @palmer1290 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Y'all are super cute and insightful! It's rare I listen to an entire podcast. Definitely subscribing 😊

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh my gosh you are too sweet! Thank you for this comment, it’s totally made our day! 🥰🥰

  • @agiry183
    @agiry183 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think what he was trying to say in that moment is she's always screaming and yelling at him and putting him down, but now she has a valid reason to be this way so she's gonna get to be this way unapologetically in public. So he's saying okay now sure you have a reason to be like this, but previously when you treated me this way you didn't have a reason like this and you were still mean to me. I don't agree with him, but this is what he's trying to say.

  • @agiry183
    @agiry183 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't think Raquel slipped up in saying they were going to lie about their story or they coached or any of the other things. I think she's just an open book. Usually when she lies, it's a lie she's been told to tell. On her own, Raquel doesn't seem to even think to lie at least not as much as the average person. Other examples of this are when she stayed at Tom's and was late to work. She could've said anything and most people would've. Lisa didn't even really ask and she just opened with yeah I stayed at Tom's. She probably makes Tom a bit anxious because he knows she'll say anything if you just ask her the right question. It makes sense he would be so desperate to speak to her alone before she joins. Also when she told Katie she asked Schwartz if he wanted to make out, that was unprovoked. She was so forthcoming with it and said it so plainly it was a moment of _did she really just say that_ to pretty much everyone but her lol. That seems to just be how she is.
    Sorry for all the comments - commenting as I listen lol

  • @denisepopan3369
    @denisepopan3369 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have all the break downs,you caused every one of them.Good good good😂

  • @agiry183
    @agiry183 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Raquel is processing information a little differently and I think people give her more grace because they can somewhat see that and also see that when something is thoroughly explained to her, Raquel seems inclined to change her path. I've just caught up on Season 9 and there's a moment in the reunion where Raquel apologises for making a comment about Katie wanting to be in Schwartz & Sandy's. She very earnestly explains I didn't understand and goes in depth with how her mom called her and explained how marriage works and she realises she was wrong. You can also see on everyone's face it's something they think obvious, but Raquel genuinely needed this explanation and had to have it broken down (which is fine). She just seems to need time and different approaches. Also facial expressions aren't necessarily indicative of emotions and internal feelings. From what we've seen even before this affair, I'm inclined to believe Raquel simply processes emotions differently which is okay. I'm more critical of her actions and betrayal.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Love this way of thinking about it! I really truly hope that Raquel does get to process all of this and come to terms with what has happened, and understand her role in it. We love to see a Bravo-redemption-storyline and could definitely see this in the cards for Raquel in future seasons 🤔🤔

    • @josephinerawley6683
      @josephinerawley6683 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think it would work for raquel if she comes back .

  • @dianeemanuel8541
    @dianeemanuel8541 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think when he exited the trailer- it finally hit what all Rachael had seen. He reentered to isolated and gaslight her in private to keep her on message

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely glad production held their ground and didn’t let that happen, can’t wait to see how their stories match up tonight in the final part of the reunion!

  • @2012WTP
    @2012WTP ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please, Raquel did not confess out of the goodness of her heart and to provide Ariana with critical information. She did it so she could push forward with her relationship with Tom, in the open, as she stated at the Reunion.

  • @agiry183
    @agiry183 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And yeah, I'm watching season 9 now nd there are few moments where he initiates yelling. Even when he's not angry, he just tends to elevate his volume when he speaks if his energy is up in any way. Also the fight or flight thing, he was referring to the moment in the car when he put down his relationship with Scheena specifically. It's his way of a non-apology by saying I didn't really mean those things I said I was just in fight or flight and going off a bit.

  • @pamelagoodman7559
    @pamelagoodman7559 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Rachel would legally be unable to have the charge dismissed; the DA for this county doesn’t do that on TROs - a common practice by DAs everywhere. Also, I believe it would be irresponsible for Bravo to capitalize on someone as vulnerable as Rachel. She has many issues to be addressed before she can function in a responsible and self-aware manner. She was a perfect target for a narcissist like Tom.
    My concern about Ally and James is that he is an alcoholic, and she is enabling him to drink. Not a sweetness I would want for anyone with a drinking problem.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว

      It really feels like Tom & Raquel were a perfect storm, it’s very unfortunate how all of this has unfolded, not just for Raquel, but also for Ariana obviously. I think you are right, I think Raquel will wake up one day and realize and be horrified by what has happened, at least for her sake, I hope that’s the case.
      Definitely understand the concern around Ally & James, personally the jury is still out on this one, she seems to be a good force in his life, but we’re hoping for more information from season 11 before we can make a final decision 👀👀

    • @happyhannah1422
      @happyhannah1422 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes she can I did

  • @candifardoe6124
    @candifardoe6124 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Joleen Lunzer's song is making tbe rounds through all the pods! Love it. 🎶🎶Sandoval's a liar! Sandoval's a liar!🎶🎶 Living for it!😂

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s incredibly catchy! 😛😛

    • @camillemayers103
      @camillemayers103 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Candi Fardoe. I want to hear that song, but couldn't find it.😮

    • @candifardoe6124
      @candifardoe6124 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Camille Mayers it's not a whole song. It's just Joleen singing "Sandoval's a Liar, Sandoval's a Liar". She sings it through a bunch of her VPR recaps. You'd have to pick through some of them and listen for it. A lot of other bravo pods have started using it as well.

    • @camillemayers103
      @camillemayers103 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@candifardoe6124 Thanks 👍

  • @agiry183
    @agiry183 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lala stepping in was strange. Schwartz, Sandy, and anyone else who drinks or doesn't does have a place to say something. The issue Sandy presented wasn't drinking it was sexual harrrasment. Unfortunately, it was overshadowed by everything else and the affair is a bit of a get out of jail free card for James. But it's a weird take for Lala to say Schwartz and Sandy don't get to call out sexual harrasment because they drink too. That was nonsensical to me. Anywyas, last comment. Thank for the recap !

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว

      Love all the thoughts & opinions! Definitely understand what you are saying, and this is probably the trickiest part of the reunion, because what James did was wrong, and him being drunk doesn’t excuse that. It is convenient that Sandoval only brings this up to try to deflect some of his bad behaviour and get James in trouble too, it kind of feels like Sandoval didn’t care that James harassed this woman until he needed to use it to shut James down at the reunion. It was unfortunate that this year everyone got an “get out of accountability” card because of what happened with Sandoval and Raquel, but hopefully that just means we’ll have that much more to unpack next season! 🤞🤞

  • @harrylederman1679
    @harrylederman1679 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You two are doing a great job and you're really engaging & very thorough in your breakdowns of each episode

  • @profhortsunlover1536
    @profhortsunlover1536 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lala destroyed a family, took a father from his kids.
    Raquel is not the worst.
    I would be interested in seeing her redemption arc.
    I want the 2 toms to disappear, creepy old perverts.

  • @dianetimms6515
    @dianetimms6515 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love y’all’s recaps!!

  • @harrylederman1679
    @harrylederman1679 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The document that Rachel presented to Sheena by way of Andy was actually the wrong document and one for civil proceedings end not acceptable for temporary restraining orders which r Under the Umbrella of the criminal court jurisdiction..... But you are correct that the proceedings have to completely run it's course until the parties are seen in court..... Or in Rachel's just doesn't turn up where scheana's legal representatives can ask that the proceedings be set aside because they are not being prosecuted in a fair time / there is no intent to proceed given the absence of l Rachel and her lawyer

    • @happyhannah1422
      @happyhannah1422 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can read backwards page wow u need to be a spy

    • @harrylederman1679
      @harrylederman1679 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@happyhannah1422 Scheena had her own lawyer on her most recent podcast [w Lala ] who explained the ineffective paperwork submitted by Rachel's lawyers.... So no , I don't need to be a spy you smart arse .... The podcast was about the ineffectiveness of us legal system in family law and how dangerous men like Randall Emmett still have so much unfettered power

  • @profhortsunlover1536
    @profhortsunlover1536 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you expect sex every day for life..... Do not get Married.... Marriage is sexless, lonely, isolating, stressful, hard thankless unpaid work.
    Single people get regular sex.
    Married couples learn to self soothe in the bathroom.

  • @agiry183
    @agiry183 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually kinda believe Scheena said she punched her, but I don't think she did punch her and even in saying it I don't think Scheena thought she ever punched her. I think it was a thing of just hyping herself in that moment and letting her friend know she's with her. "I just pushed that b*tch" does not roll off the tongue at all. I think she said it but it was a hyperbolic statement and she never _actually_ punched Raquel.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว

      I totally believe this theory!! I think she wanted to sound tough, and it rolls off the tongue nicely, and we’ve also heard so many different variations on the story that there has to be a little something more to what really happened, and I guess we’ll just never know? 🧐🧐

  • @Rlove4547
    @Rlove4547 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a question…why would anyone like and subscribe before they watch the content?! You guys should ask for that during the middle and end of your show!! Just saying!

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally fair question! Just trying out doing it at the beginning cause we usually forget 😂😂

  • @sheilasandoval2343
    @sheilasandoval2343 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is it called real couchwives podcast? Are you ladies housewives?

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s just kind of a fun play on words, we’re both obsessed with The Real Housewives (and most Bravo shows at this point), and we spend a lot of time binging all these programs from the safety and comfort of our couches 🥰🥰

  • @profhortsunlover1536
    @profhortsunlover1536 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sandy is Pansexual, he was attracted to Billie.
    Schwartz is Asexual or Bisexual.

  • @patrinajasso5689
    @patrinajasso5689 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are u guys in relationships? Ask ur significant other if they would stay with u if u didn't have sex for a few years. They had no sex life. They slept in the same bed but no sex. No maybe that works if ur buddies but 99 percent of the time that don't work. If u think it does well a man will go else ware. U never let a younger pretty woman hang with ur man either. I don't feel sorry for her. She's still in that house 4 months later. Please don't keep making these guys so rich. Lala Sheana they have no room to talk the horrible things they have done to marriages.

    • @therealcouchwives
      @therealcouchwives  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That’s actually not true, in the reunion it’s revealed they had been having sex, that’s why Raquel was so upset in the trailer and confronted Tom which led to Tom having that hissy-fit at production.

    • @BettyR-qd2zr
      @BettyR-qd2zr ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Here's the thing sexual relationships, ebb and flow, just like regular relationships. If you are never home, your woman is not going to be psycd to have sex with you. If you don't spend time with her or pay attention to her same thing. People who are in adult relationships work thru these things. Trust me. How do you think people are married for 50 or more years.

    • @profhortsunlover1536
      @profhortsunlover1536 ปีที่แล้ว

      OMG!!! Where are you getting your Ideology from? No one is Entitled to sex!!!! [We all self soothe in the bathroom.]
      You simply can't put your wife and kids out on the street because no one is touching ur junk.
      If you Divorce because of lack of sex, you were never Marriage Material in the first place.
      Sex is not life. Sex is boring. Sex is stressful if you're female. It's hard work, cold, wet, stinky.
      Sex is just a tiny part of life, and once you're over 50 it's over, wrinkles just aren't sexy.
      Marriage is not about sex, it's all about building a Future. Couple who have been together 60 years are NOT banging, be lucky if they even LIKE each other at that stage.
      If you think you might need someone to service your junk for the next 40 years....stay SINGLE.