Also a couple of points. Nobody claims animals 'have the same rights as people'. The claim is that animals as sentient beings have the right to not be tortured and killed for a couple of seconds of pleasure for your taste buds that you forget about the second you swallow their dead flesh. In other words their right to live is more important than your tastebuds. Also, plants dont have a central nervous system and dont experience conciousness. Therefore the comparison between killing a plant vs killing an animal is, to put it nicely, a bad comparison.
Thank you for your response however a lot of vegetarians have a problem not with eating meat but how chickens and cows are treated in the big farms. in other words when people lived in small towns in Russia they treated their animals very well now with this mass production people are very uncomfortable with how they stuff the animals with food and the living conditions of animals which is totally unacceptable
Maybe HaShem wanted us to question this idea of eating meat? Perhaps allowing it was a part of the process of eventually moving away from eating the flesh of other sentient beings. Now a vegetable or a fruit is definitely "alive" in a sense that it is part of existence and should be treated with respect, which is why we bless our food before eating, no? We should also treat objects with respect. To me, animals don't exist for our taste buds, yes they served their purpose when humans were progressing and having to hunt for food, but that time is over for the most part, especially when we have an abundance of other food.
What about the amount of animals being killed today being way more than back in the day, and the fact that there are big concerns that tzar baalei chayil are often not being followed due to it being more convenient? To be clear, i eat meat and think schita is not cruel, but i just feel its hard tl ignore the disgustingness that goes on at kosher farms besides the schita
Search for a book called "the imminent revolution" by R. Zamir Cohen. There he brings some proof and tests that shows that plants do have notion of pain and happiness.
Plants have been shown to react when either they or nearby plants are damaged. But this doesn’t necessarily mean they actually feel anything, just that they respond
The moment of shechitah is swift and humane, but what about the terrible conditions in how animals are raised on today's factory farms before being brought to slaughter? Even a lot of people who eat meat are nevertheless concerned about the cruelty inherent in mass production. It seems to me that the kosher meat industry focuses only on the moment of slaughter and care of the meat afterward, but pays no attention to how the animals are being raised. Factory farms are a far cry from the free-range flocks and herds of our ancestors. When I found out that kosher meat comes from the same abominable factory farms as secular meat, I could mo longer stomach eating it.
On Shabbos and Yom Tov, we eat meat to elevate the sparks of the animal we are eating. We use the energy we receive from eating meat to do mitzvot. The kosher animal's sparks have a long journey from being put into a kosher animal, to be slaughtered in the right way, to be inspected and not having any blemishes, to be cut up using knives that have been immersed into a mikvah, to having its blood drawn out of its cuts, to be cooked in a kosher meat oven, to be served on kosher dishes, to have had a blessing said over it, to be eaten by a Jew, then for that Jew to say the proper after blessing, then for that Jew to go on and do more mitzvot.
@@elianagold6505 But are we raising sparks when the animals are raised under the horrible conditions of today's factory farms? Or are we dragging the sparks down with that cruelty? You mention the long journey the animal spark takes to get on your Shabbos plate, but seem unaware of the cruelty of mass production farms that those animals must endure nowadays. It's not Old MacDonald's farm anymore. I stopped eating meat because I could taste the negative klippot of that cruelty.
There is no evidence that plants can feel anything. What has been observed is that they react to events which affect them or nearby plants. This doesn’t mean they feel, which as far we know requires a brain.
Also a couple of points. Nobody claims animals 'have the same rights as people'. The claim is that animals as sentient beings have the right to not be tortured and killed for a couple of seconds of pleasure for your taste buds that you forget about the second you swallow their dead flesh. In other words their right to live is more important than your tastebuds. Also, plants dont have a central nervous system and dont experience conciousness. Therefore the comparison between killing a plant vs killing an animal is, to put it nicely, a bad comparison.
A much needed Jewish response! Shkoyach, Rabbi Paltiel!
Thank you for your response however a lot of vegetarians have a problem not with eating meat but how chickens and cows are treated in the big farms. in other words when people lived in small towns in Russia they treated their animals very well now with this mass production people are very uncomfortable with how they stuff the animals with food and the living conditions of animals which is totally unacceptable
I think he said that people aren't allowed to be cruel to animals. What do you think?
so based on what he said, your reason for vegetarianism is a good one.
Thank you Rabbi, great explanation.
Beautiful ישר כח
Please listen to Rabbi Michael Skobac's lecture on Judaism and vegetarianism for a different take.
Maybe HaShem wanted us to question this idea of eating meat? Perhaps allowing it was a part of the process of eventually moving away from eating the flesh of other sentient beings. Now a vegetable or a fruit is definitely "alive" in a sense that it is part of existence and should be treated with respect, which is why we bless our food before eating, no? We should also treat objects with respect. To me, animals don't exist for our taste buds, yes they served their purpose when humans were progressing and having to hunt for food, but that time is over for the most part, especially when we have an abundance of other food.
mellow magic Thank you for your comment.
Thanks for reading it. :)
What about the amount of animals being killed today being way more than back in the day, and the fact that there are big concerns that tzar baalei chayil are often not being followed due to it being more convenient?
To be clear, i eat meat and think schita is not cruel, but i just feel its hard tl ignore the disgustingness that goes on at kosher farms besides the schita
Thanks for very clear and concise explanation!
What evidence is there that plants have feelings ?
Search for a book called "the imminent revolution" by R. Zamir Cohen.
There he brings some proof and tests that shows that plants do have notion of pain and happiness.
Plants have been shown to react when either they or nearby plants are damaged. But this doesn’t necessarily mean they actually feel anything, just that they respond
Rashi teaches us, when a tree is cut down, its cry is heard around the world.
Every living cration has feeling. We dont know the level but you can see it clear with plant.
@@surikatz123 We don't eat trees.. we eat plants
The moment of shechitah is swift and humane, but what about the terrible conditions in how animals are raised on today's factory farms before being brought to slaughter? Even a lot of people who eat meat are nevertheless concerned about the cruelty inherent in mass production. It seems to me that the kosher meat industry focuses only on the moment of slaughter and care of the meat afterward, but pays no attention to how the animals are being raised. Factory farms are a far cry from the free-range flocks and herds of our ancestors. When I found out that kosher meat comes from the same abominable factory farms as secular meat, I could mo longer stomach eating it.
Sorry, being vegan doesn’t mean you think animals are the same as people. It just means you don’t want to cause pain. And animals feel pain.
It depends for who...many argue that the opposite is speciesism....
On Shabbos and Yom Tov, we eat meat to elevate the sparks of the animal we are eating. We use the energy we receive from eating meat to do mitzvot. The kosher animal's sparks have a long journey from being put into a kosher animal, to be slaughtered in the right way, to be inspected and not having any blemishes, to be cut up using knives that have been immersed into a mikvah, to having its blood drawn out of its cuts, to be cooked in a kosher meat oven, to be served on kosher dishes, to have had a blessing said over it, to be eaten by a Jew, then for that Jew to say the proper after blessing, then for that Jew to go on and do more mitzvot.
@teacher james Apology accepted.
@@elianagold6505 But are we raising sparks when the animals are raised under the horrible conditions of today's factory farms? Or are we dragging the sparks down with that cruelty? You mention the long journey the animal spark takes to get on your Shabbos plate, but seem unaware of the cruelty of mass production farms that those animals must endure nowadays. It's not Old MacDonald's farm anymore. I stopped eating meat because I could taste the negative klippot of that cruelty.
shkoiech!!
There is no evidence that plants can feel anything. What has been observed is that they react to events which affect them or nearby plants. This doesn’t mean they feel, which as far we know requires a brain.
Rashi says, when a tree is cut down, its cry is heard around the world.
wow amazing