The Time IGN Ticked Off The Internet - Luke Stephens

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  • @LukeStephensTV
    @LukeStephensTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

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    • @jamesshaver2376
      @jamesshaver2376 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely not fair. It should have been less. When a game is broken at a time it’s supposed to be finished it needs to be addressed. Too many companies are trying to push out unfinished work to meet a deadline. Not fair to the consumer

    • @chillhour6155
      @chillhour6155 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Arkane Fanboys are close to hideo Kojima's levels really

    • @uraloser5553
      @uraloser5553 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had to sub to your channel after you threw shade at Yong Yea, but you fogot to mention his "apology" video where he played the victim and shifted all accountability of him intentionally misleading his audience into purchasing Cyberpunk 2077, he's very disingenuous, he just goes on r/gaming for the newest contraversy of the day and makes a video and he just pretends to care about it for a living

    • @Dj-621
      @Dj-621 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesshaver2376 even know basically no one else had this problem?

  • @JeremyBX
    @JeremyBX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +396

    “The Time IGN Ticked off the Internet” sounds more like an entire series. A franchise even.

    • @ch3cksund3ad
      @ch3cksund3ad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Way more than once

    • @shintopig
      @shintopig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Agreed this should be a series!

    • @computeraidedyami
      @computeraidedyami 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      more like the universe

    • @kw1xxx
      @kw1xxx ปีที่แล้ว

      The whole company lol

    • @mmo5366
      @mmo5366 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Endless content!

  • @sudoggs7178
    @sudoggs7178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +627

    Prey is probably one of the best of it's kind, and the Mooncrash follow-up was also really great. I hope Arkane eventually makes us a sequel.

    • @BlindBison
      @BlindBison 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Hope we get a sequel or spiritual successor someday, Prey 2017 was amazing

    • @psyched.shelby5391
      @psyched.shelby5391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      In my opinion, Prey was a masterpiece. On the level of the original Bioshock. We need more of those type of simulation games where you are encouraged to experiment and pick up every object and use the physics engine to your advantage

    • @Wakslag
      @Wakslag 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Not enough people talk about the Mooncrash DLC, it was outstanding.

    • @BlindBison
      @BlindBison 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Wakslag for me I didn’t care for it and much preferred the style of the mainline game, but it was an interesting experiment that many people loved. Prey 2017 is an incredible game and I really want a good sequel or spiritual successor from the same studio.

    • @ruperthart5190
      @ruperthart5190 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm playing moon crash right now, it's amazing! I like it more than the main game, really forces you to be creative and get out if your comfort zone!

  • @yuyanli1983
    @yuyanli1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +587

    I think the biggest issue with IGN and GameSpot is that they have so many reviewers with vastly different taste and opinion under the same company name. As a result they look very inconsistent when being compared with their own scores. Maybe the scoring system itself is fundamentally flawed.

    • @John-996
      @John-996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Theres some independent reviewers that are also inconsistent. But Yeah Some their reviews Get really inconsistent.

    • @yuyanli1983
      @yuyanli1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@John-996 that’s just a bad reviewer, but in this case these are usually good reviewers consistent with themselves that seem inconsistent because they share the IGN name

    • @richardbrink5404
      @richardbrink5404 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I get what you're saying
      But I do think the point of that is so that IGN can theoretically review all kinds of games from what they consider to be fair perspectives
      To be clear, I'm not trying to defend IGN, I just mean that having multiple reviewers isn't necessarily the issue with IGN's inconsistencies.
      I think the inconsistencies have more to do with the way they score games rather than anything elss

    • @jonnydaczko5894
      @jonnydaczko5894 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And there all lovers of woke garbage

    • @user-lr6hw4dq4t
      @user-lr6hw4dq4t 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Gamespot still better than IGN. IGN right now is full with niche reviewers

  • @adamvifrye2690
    @adamvifrye2690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +593

    thank god, with no more dislikes, this kind of thing will never happen again lmfao.... thank god we are protecting the corporate feelings of ign and co.

    • @jchemnix1918
      @jchemnix1918 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@rohithkumarsp cherish it while you still have it

    • @Infinite_voyager
      @Infinite_voyager 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@rohithkumarsp lol what , that is even worse. Dislikes behind a paywall seems like a whole new low

    • @65firered
      @65firered 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rohithkumarsp I can't and make videos. Give it time to update.

    • @thedonofthsht76-58
      @thedonofthsht76-58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rohithkumarsp I assume that's TH-cam premium? I dont pay anything and can still see them lol I know its happening eventually with this soft society anyway though.

    • @jakpote88
      @jakpote88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Infinite_voyager i have prenium and dont see them

  • @LukeStephensTV
    @LukeStephensTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +214

    Insert joke about it being "ONE of the times IGN ticked off the internet..."

    • @Guitar-Dog
      @Guitar-Dog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The fact the unfair rating story your telling is fair, in comparison too; TOO MUCH WATER.
      Game set near ocean has water. Water = bad.
      7.8/10

    • @The_Primary_Axiom
      @The_Primary_Axiom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No rating in recent history is as bad as a 10 out of 10 for death loop. That game is straight up dog shit.

    • @65firered
      @65firered 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@The_Primary_Axiom The highest rating I have seen for that game that seemed pretty fair was an 8 and even that review was admittedly being generous.

    • @TheProbotector
      @TheProbotector 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      16 Minutes talking around and 2 Minutes coming to the point

    • @MisterK-YT
      @MisterK-YT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Guitar-Dog to be fair, (and don’t misunderstand me, I don’t like IGN and I don’t like the chick who wrote that Pokémon review), what they allegedly meant by “too much water” was that there were too many _water pokemon_ spawns. It was a badly written bullet point. Apparently the actual body of the review specified that there were too many water Pokémon. But the little bullet point TL;DR at the top said “too much water.”
      Again, I have no love for the people at that company. But just trying to remain intellectually honest.

  • @icarusgaming6269
    @icarusgaming6269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +222

    Of course the real villain here is the editor who demanded a score. Fortunately now we have the "review in progress" label, although that says a lot about the state of the industry...

    • @65firered
      @65firered 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Let's drop a review before we're ready to drop a review and refuse to delay.

    • @mechanicalmonk2020
      @mechanicalmonk2020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I like reviews in progress (and independent TH-cam folk do this too now, e.g. skill up). It shines more light into the thought process.
      The truth of the matter is that the general public is obsessed with reviews (often not to make a purchase decision but rather to validate their own views on a game they've already bought). These companies can't survive if they release reviews after playing the game for 300 hours. A review in progress for a complicated game is much better than a rushed one

    • @SunlightGwyn
      @SunlightGwyn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dan Stapleton actually was the editor. He was the reviewer of this game but also the Reviews Editor of the entire site.

    • @65firered
      @65firered 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SunlightGwyn Oh... Hmm...

    • @beyondtrash1627
      @beyondtrash1627 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@65firered Well if we don't have reviews in progress, people are instead just going to rush out reviews, not take their time to cover everything.

  • @ThePunisher0995
    @ThePunisher0995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    The only time IGN had balls to call out a major bug and people still were unsatisfied.

    • @nomercy8989
      @nomercy8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      because it was against their perception of IGN

    • @Rachel-96
      @Rachel-96 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@nomercy8989 IGN haters can never be satisfied. If tunnel vision was a person, IGN haters are the embodiment of it.

    • @chillhour6155
      @chillhour6155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Gamers are solely to blame for the state of the industry we are in right now, with they're zelousness and sight unseen preordering

    • @Bloodhoven
      @Bloodhoven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      "The only time IGN had balls..." **to take away 4-5 points for an annoying yet simple technical bug while handing out way better reviews left and right like they're free candy for games in a far more desastrous technical state, with worse gameplay and lackluster atmosphere, some of which are TO THIS DAY as broken as the review edition**
      yeah.
      🤡🥴 mUzZzD B dA eBiL eYe-GeE-EnN-hAyDuRzZz. 🥴🤡
      you guys are the "special" detectives of the internet, huh?

    • @Bloodhoven
      @Bloodhoven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chillhour6155
      "Gamers are solely to blame for the state of the industry we are in right now,..." **and definitely abso-troll-olutedidledey not games journalism for years of misleading your "average consumer", aka people with a real life and other hobbies than "searching the internet 12 hours a day just to be fully up to date with the broken state of gaming industry and opportunistic games journalism**
      talks about zelousness while blaming one group of people for a problem that was created by at least 3 different parties... thank god irony is not a dildo, otherwise you'd barelly move right now, since you are full of it.

  • @Paradox9743
    @Paradox9743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Cyberpunk 2077 probably deserved 5 or lower out of ten at launch.

    • @mohamedelkayal8871
      @mohamedelkayal8871 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did it get higher?

    • @nickblack2006
      @nickblack2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@mohamedelkayal8871 i think it did.

    • @psyched.shelby5391
      @psyched.shelby5391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I remember booting up Cyberpunk on my 2080 TI back in december. It came out right after my birthday and it was during the holidays and spirits were so high and we had just finished the record breaking hype train that was the marketing campaign for Cyberpunk 2077. I finally get in-game and oh my god spirits have been ruined. my girl's boobs glitch through her shirt, i kill an enemy and he gets caught in a couch and the physics spazz out, i get in a car and fall through the map. It was SO BAD.

    • @TheThirdWorldCitizen
      @TheThirdWorldCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For some the game was $40 on preorder, so not too bad really. The lies from cdpr and other like yongyea are what pissed people off

    • @pacificreed8
      @pacificreed8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      If Prey on launch got 4, Cyberpunk deserved a 1 (at least from IGN lol)

  • @datboivenom
    @datboivenom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    Only YongYea could say something so controversial in such a boring fashion to be fair.

    • @datboivenom
      @datboivenom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@laurencemichelle6132 the perfect sleep aid. Good on you.

    • @cribacon
      @cribacon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@laurencemichelle6132 I believe you mean insomniacs

    • @deon_strydom_00
      @deon_strydom_00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      To his credit the guy didn't just unlist the video as if nothing happened. He made a full video apologizing, stating why he unlisted it and that moving forward he won't be making that mistake again. But conveniently this guy doesn't mention that

    • @purebaldness
      @purebaldness 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I tried a few times to get through an entire video of his and failed everytime. It's the *polar opposite* to the "YO WHATS UP GUYS ITS YA BOI TH-camR HERE" types.

    • @LordOfel
      @LordOfel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Funny bc I love this guys videos. Yea he is biased but I can stomach his calm voice, not like other reviewers lol

  • @alansmith4655
    @alansmith4655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Who remembers their 5.9 for Alien Isolation because it was too hard. Game is a masterpiece.

  • @niki_bbb
    @niki_bbb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    Lmao that Yong clip is golden, never forget.

    • @mejdlocraftci
      @mejdlocraftci 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      sadly people forget

    • @niki_bbb
      @niki_bbb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paco1667 thumbnails are one thing, but his coverage and subsequent change of tune singlehandedly destroyed my faith is all “independent” reviewers…

    • @theorangecandle
      @theorangecandle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      All he does is read Twitter for a living

    • @cynicalmemester1694
      @cynicalmemester1694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It genuinely baffles me that Yong called 2077 a masterpiece with so much substance and a game of his dreams despite playing on an incredibly broken pre day 1 patch of the game, rushing through the main storyline and most likely missed many of the sidequests that the game has to offer just to meet the review deadline.

    • @srslywhathappened
      @srslywhathappened 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@theorangecandle and Reddit. Mostly Reddit these days lol

  • @mechanicalmonk2020
    @mechanicalmonk2020 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This is actually something Joseph Anderson suggested as the correct way to review broken games. Give it a low score, stating that there's a good game here but there's too many bugs. When or if the game is fixed (and this is important), update the review to reflect the new truth

  • @meggomyeggo431
    @meggomyeggo431 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I feel like there should be a “Luke Stephens Video” bingo card where one of the boxes is “blatant dig at Yong Yea” 😂

    • @TheThirdWorldCitizen
      @TheThirdWorldCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Legit I stopped watching because of the cyberpunk release, such hypocrite person shouldn’t be making informative TH-cam videos lol

    • @TykoBrian7
      @TykoBrian7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What's his beef with Yea?

    • @TheThirdWorldCitizen
      @TheThirdWorldCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@TykoBrian7 he’s the one that started hyping the game and not telling the truth after supposedly playing it. And then he started shitting on it as if he didn’t get paid before to say nice things about the game

    • @somasundaramsankaranarayan4592
      @somasundaramsankaranarayan4592 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why does Luke hate Yong Yea so much. I don't get it. Just the cyberpunk stuff? Yong probably played it on PC where there was less bugs.

    • @TheThirdWorldCitizen
      @TheThirdWorldCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592 No one hates him you missed the point. He embarrassed himself and became a meme of an "informative youtuber" because he crapped on the game he helped hype so much. Do you think yongyea just unlisted those videos because he didn't like them? No, he did it because they are evidence of him being manipulative and a liar.

  • @gallowsgradient
    @gallowsgradient 2 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Don't have an issue with IGN in this case. YongYea, though-- that dude's career should have ended with Cyberpunk.

    • @Mementomori292
      @Mementomori292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sheeple cannot think for themselves, sheeple needs numbers possibly not higher than 10, because you know, knowing high numbers and all that jazz is hard too.

    • @TheThirdWorldCitizen
      @TheThirdWorldCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Agree, don’t understand how others still care to watch him knowing he might not be telling the truth again

    • @LoCoAde87
      @LoCoAde87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      His views have generally taken a hit which is good. But yeah, as you said, it should have been the end of him.

    • @feliperojas9860
      @feliperojas9860 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Honestly that would never really happen since he usually just says what gamers want to hear

    • @65firered
      @65firered 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He's attempted to make up for it, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

  • @nadiajustnadia7941
    @nadiajustnadia7941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who is STILL UPSET AT YONG YEAS REVIEW.

    • @pacificreed8
      @pacificreed8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah, just more lies we bought into. It was really cringey watching him walk it back after the blowback, too.

    • @nadiajustnadia7941
      @nadiajustnadia7941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@pacificreed8 omg that original video was so bad. The whole thing about the story line being like branches of a bush because there were so many routes to go. Such bullshit he completely described a totally different game from what we actually got as if he played cyberpunk in some parallel universe. I still can’t believe people are subscribed to him after that. He can not be trusted in my eyes.

    • @channel45853
      @channel45853 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@nadiajustnadia7941 he may have not completed it many times or replayed it before review. I think video game critics or any critic should watch or play a media at least two times before a review. Especially when it comes to RPGs.

    • @exysa2798
      @exysa2798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      YongYea got $50k by CDPR for this Review

  • @existentialselkath1264
    @existentialselkath1264 2 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    I think this problem is just a perfect example of why rating games with a number is dumb.
    The ign review should explain his opinion on what he played, explained the bug and that it 'might' be fixed for launch and let the viewer come to their own conclusions.
    The number was just unnecessary because its entirely arbitrary

    • @johnhansen4794
      @johnhansen4794 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      97 out of 62! 37,000,003% agree.

    • @SR-71Blackbird
      @SR-71Blackbird 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      there was some magazine about movies which had different approach to rating - they have 3 - one for "heart", one for "eyes" and one for "brain". I feel like this is more or less perfect thing to do, since it will say more about reviewed stuff without the numbers itself. in this situation it would have big ""heart"" and ""eyes" rating but "brain" one would be lower due to game breaking bug
      and everyone would be satisfied

    • @The_Primary_Axiom
      @The_Primary_Axiom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Meanwhile they did it again. No rating in recent history is as bad as a 10 out of 10 for death loop. That game is straight up dog shit.

    • @hollandscottthomas
      @hollandscottthomas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@johnhansen4794 Forfty people liked this!

    • @muhwyndham
      @muhwyndham 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DIfferent topic but very similar issue in Audio Community discussed by crinacle : th-cam.com/video/h2GwZaDMa_M/w-d-xo.html
      TL;DR = Rating system in itself is not bad, but very easily misused or implemented incorrectly

  • @seraph3665
    @seraph3665 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    I agree , a review should reflect the experience of the reviewer and nothing else , releasing any game with bugs should be unacceptable , we pay them 60$ for the game not 10$ each patch when they fix their shit

    • @jackjude
      @jackjude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Extremely hard to release something without bugs on PC - how many combinations of hardware and software are in PCs? Millions.

    • @Hwardable
      @Hwardable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      So you should give a good score if it has game breaking bugs?

    • @jackjude
      @jackjude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Hwardable you should ascertain whether it happens on other PC configurations. PC is not an ideal platform.

    • @chillhour6155
      @chillhour6155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jackjude game breaking not simply buggy

    • @seraph3665
      @seraph3665 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How about cyberpunk 2077? It was broken on all platforms not just pc , and yet the price we paid was 60$ , however many combinations there are isn't that much of a problem nowadays because of how streamlined everything is , this isn't the 2000's when everyone was doing their own thing (like 3d render cards and what not)

  • @TheThirdWorldCitizen
    @TheThirdWorldCitizen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Prey is such a good game, had lots of fun playing it this year

  • @ANGELOFDARKification
    @ANGELOFDARKification 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    This is all dependent on the game developers/franchise. For e.g. If Dan Stapleton had given COD/FIFA/NBA a 4/10 for being buggy, he would probably have been lauded as a hero. The internet's opinions change as quickly as the weather.

    • @gunargundarson1626
      @gunargundarson1626 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Shut up

    • @Bloodhoven
      @Bloodhoven 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      except it has nothing to do with "quickly changing opinions" but with the simple fact that IGN rated FAR WORSE games an easy 7-9/10, not only gameplay- or storywise but also games in a far worse technical state. they are also known for giving out overall better reviews for games that were rated lower by the absolute majority of games magazines/journalists and reviewers.
      The Prey review is like one of those yelp criticques, that South Park was mocking in Season 19 Episode 4, where kyle's dad literally hands out 1-2/5s for restaurants with awesome ambiente and food for not enough parking slots or not soft enough toilet paper.

    • @coszii.7582
      @coszii.7582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Bloodhoven this review has nothing in relation to that south park analogy. your analogy more resembles him playing prey and rating it low because his mousepad was too small or his keyboard was broken. him rating THE GAME ITSELF low because THE GAME ITSELF was broken to the point of physically not being able to finish it is completely fair. it’s akin to reviewing a restaurant a 4/10 because although the flavours were good, half of it was undercooked and therefore unable to be eaten. which i would say is a completely fair review and reason for a low score.

    • @ChaseMC215
      @ChaseMC215 ปีที่แล้ว

      They pissed off the Sonic fanbase.

  • @StefanConstantinDumitrache
    @StefanConstantinDumitrache 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    He really, REAAALY enjoys dunking on Yong, I love it :D

    • @TykoBrian7
      @TykoBrian7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why?

    • @StefanConstantinDumitrache
      @StefanConstantinDumitrache 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TykoBrian7 why what? Why he dunks, or why I love it?

    • @miguelmontero1729
      @miguelmontero1729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@StefanConstantinDumitrache both

    • @belltolls1984
      @belltolls1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yong is terrible; he literally just reads an article on camera

    • @dr.loomis4221
      @dr.loomis4221 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@belltolls1984 yup pretty much...he waits for someone else to do the work and he just regurgitates it.

  • @andreymagnuss
    @andreymagnuss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    YongYea having a figurine in the background doesn't mean he was sold out. I believe that this figurine was actually given to reviewers during one of the showcases of the game in 2019 or 2020. I just consider YongYea to have a bad taste (to his credit, he's mostly reading news and not reviewing games).

  • @HH-mf8qz
    @HH-mf8qz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good to see you back Luke
    Hope the algorithm gets things rolling real soon, as your videos are always of high quality!

  • @zerfism
    @zerfism 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Yes he really did that"
    >shows a ss of yongyeah making a response of why he deleted his video
    >makes a case for why reviewers trust in trusted developers to make fixes in their games before release

  • @SolracNexus
    @SolracNexus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If IGN were a business analyst it would claim that my local banana vendor has more market value than tesla...

    • @antomanifesto
      @antomanifesto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      THERE'S. ALWAYS. MONEY. IN. THE. BANANA STAND!!!

  • @CriticsConfession
    @CriticsConfession 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Prey is genuinely the best and most underrated game I've played since Dragon's Dogma.

    • @Garrus1995
      @Garrus1995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dragon's Dogma was a fantastic game. I really hope that Capcom makes a sequel someday.

    • @Shyftus
      @Shyftus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed

  • @Pandaman314
    @Pandaman314 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man your content is always amzing and in depth, tough to find channels like yours, great stuff!

  • @TheWorldOfVideoGamingOfficial
    @TheWorldOfVideoGamingOfficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think, the 4/10 was ok as a review. It reflects the tester's experience. I mean, IGN was not the only one getting review codes, so people can go to metacritic, for example, and look up the score from many different testers.

  • @claytonweaver7335
    @claytonweaver7335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think performance is an essential part of the review for gamers looking to pre-order or buy on day 1. Not only is it appropriate to call out bugs but its quite possibly the most important part of the review in this day and age.
    I will say that I find a critic's Game of the Year list to always be more interesting than the numerical score they put on the games at release.

  • @WoolleyGamer
    @WoolleyGamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Youre such a voice of reason man. Thank you!

  • @tjlevey378
    @tjlevey378 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m all here for the Yong Yea slander

  • @rishabhmalhotra7017
    @rishabhmalhotra7017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I LOVE how Luke keeps throwing shade at Yongyea hahahahah, I fucking enjoy it every time

    • @TykoBrian7
      @TykoBrian7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But why?

    • @LordOfel
      @LordOfel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TykoBrian7 most ppl rather see shit thrown against a whall than ppl cleaning it

  • @RegalPixelKing
    @RegalPixelKing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This was a very level headed way to look at this situation. I find it stupid how whenever almost any game reviewed by IGN gets lower than a 7/10 (or even when it does get a 7/10 because the score was not high enough) that people complain and dislike bomb the video. I think it would do better for IGN to get rid of scores outright or at least overhaul how they score games because adding a number to the end of the video removes any value of what is actually said for the whole "review" part of the video review.

    • @John-996
      @John-996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not sure about you But 5 out 10 should be used more for a game you think is average now that we are pretty much in next gen And Games cost more I have Higher standards for them Now. I hate the fact that 7 out 10 is considered adverage.

    • @brunorichardson97
      @brunorichardson97 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Last time they got dislike bombed was for the Shin Megami Tensei V review... they gave it an 8.

    • @RegalPixelKing
      @RegalPixelKing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@brunorichardson97 That bombing was a bit more logical though. The reason was not because "8/10 is too low for this game." It was because the reviewer basically said "This game isn't like Persona 5, and I wanted Persona 5 with a different skin which is why I am giving an 8/10." That's not even a criticism, docking points from a game because it's not like another game does not make sense.
      One of the top comments of the video said that docking points on SMT V for it not being like Persona 5 is like docking points on the next Final Fantasy game because it's not like Kingdom Hearts.

    • @anthonyamato3729
      @anthonyamato3729 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you play the game

    • @terrydrain
      @terrydrain 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. Just like a game with bugs or bad design gets shit, a review for a controversial game (good game but buggy) with a score gets shit as well. Because the score system is a bad system and it shows especially in buggy games. The shit is deserved.

  • @jonnydaczko5894
    @jonnydaczko5894 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another epic IGN fail was when the reviewer for the RE2 remake slammed the game for being too short and not worth the full price without completing the 2nd run with Claire lol.

  • @jonahthejedai4973
    @jonahthejedai4973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I never assign a number rating to games. It’s just too hard to do. I am someone who adores Fallout 4 for example but I am not blind to its shortcomings, those two realities exist, so how does one reconcile with a number to assign to something they love even while flawed?

    • @SuperTsogo
      @SuperTsogo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fuck watching the whole review. I'm just gonna glance at the score.

    • @ImUrZaddy
      @ImUrZaddy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      1.25/5 for your comment

  • @SobeCrunkMonster
    @SobeCrunkMonster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    ok so the hate for the 4/10 was not angry neckbeards, it was a mob of corporate apologists that hadnt been humbled by failout 76 yet. i guess i understand that bethesda had more fans back in the day of Prey.

  • @BonzerMrT
    @BonzerMrT 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I played Prey for the first time this year. And holy crap it was FANTASTIC

  • @xenomorphlover
    @xenomorphlover 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Finished Prey on PS5 a few weeks ago....hands down one of the best Scifi shooters ever made!

  • @_sofie
    @_sofie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The YongYea call-out lmao

  • @ns0557212
    @ns0557212 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the LAN port endings you used to hold up the cards on the string that was a cool idea. I used to always snap those all day in class.

  • @SuperSubject20
    @SuperSubject20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Main issue for me are number ratings in reviews. When you rank subjective art numerically people are bound to compare them to games with similar scores and pay little attention to the review itself.

  • @BiggestMikey
    @BiggestMikey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Next time you should cover IGN giving ALIEN ISOLATION a 5/10 because--and get this, *THE AI WAS TOO UNPREDICTABLE!* 🙃

    • @thegrove5259
      @thegrove5259 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And call of duty gets 9 each year

    • @BiggestMikey
      @BiggestMikey 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thegrove5259 without fail

  • @ZGamingGuy
    @ZGamingGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Didn't really care about his score personally, but I feel like he would have saved a lot of headache, if he had just said something like this at the end
    "If I was to rate this on everything I played up to the game breaking issues, it would be something like an 8 or 9. But in its current state, it simply isn't justifiable to go above a 4"
    Unless he did say it. Ganna be honest, don't really watch IGN reviews. Just basing this all on what was said in this video

    • @RandomPerson-yq1qk
      @RandomPerson-yq1qk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He did exactly that. It is even mentioned in this video just like that.
      2:35
      He said that he really like the part of the game that he had played, but he could not finish the game because his PC version was too buggy.

  • @deltafive_o-first2417
    @deltafive_o-first2417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Do have any idea how little that narrows it down.”

  • @davekeyart7641
    @davekeyart7641 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great points Luke! Some can see this as unnecessary video bcs its not "news". But this has to be talked about. Keep it up!

  • @Majestic7274
    @Majestic7274 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well you know how it goes, when an opposing viewpoint shows up, logic and reason go out the window

  • @TrueDiox
    @TrueDiox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's not a reviewer's job to score a game's potential. Only what it actually does. Simple as that. At the very most, agreeing to redo the review after bugs are supposedly fixed is more than enough courtesy to offer a developer.

  • @vipset87
    @vipset87 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    im in the beginning of prey and its pretty difficult. i only have 3 weapons the wrench, silent pistol, gloo gun. im havin a hard time defeating enemies that arent the small replicators

  • @thedonofthsht76-58
    @thedonofthsht76-58 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "You cant trust reviews, you have to play it yourself" exactly how I felt with mass effect andromeda. EVERYONE hates it. I like it! It's a good game! Lol

    • @Animoro1
      @Animoro1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i feel like everyone liked the gameplay tho the story was a bit weaker and the villains in it was the weakest so far that they don't have the same impact as the reapers, and the new aliens they added was sooooo weak and forgettable that i didn't really care about them alot.

    • @thedonofthsht76-58
      @thedonofthsht76-58 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Animoro1 I'm actually about 15hrs in and that's definitely true. They're not as cool as any of the villains in mass effect 1-3 but like you said plays great lol

    • @mgk-metalgearkelly5054
      @mgk-metalgearkelly5054 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can like and enjoy any game, but Andromeda is nowhere near a "good game". That is not how you design a "good game".

    • @Animoro1
      @Animoro1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mgk-metalgearkelly5054 what aspect u didn't like it from?? if it's the story aspect then yes i agree, but gameplay wise it was fantastic. it had more freedom in gameplay wise and stuff more than any other mass effect game

  • @TheAlphawolf6
    @TheAlphawolf6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I also encountered a game-breaking bug in Prey, luckily thanks to Reddit someone taught me how to to fix it because it would have VASTLY changed my experience with the game. Probably would’ve brought my score from a 9 to a 6 if I were a reviewer.

  • @terrydrain
    @terrydrain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Okay, here's my opinion: It should be called out. But review scores are BAD by design, and trying to convey something as multifaceted as a game (bugs, monetisation, diversity, working conditions, etc) in a reviewscore is just plain bad.
    When trying to discuss the above problems they should be done outside of reviewscores, or review scores should not be there. Just like games get blasted for bad design, articles should be for their design (review system) if it doesn't work.
    In this case, a complex dilemma, needed to boil down into a number. Some love the game, and some thought it was broken. Where do you put that on a scale? Whatever you do in that situation, no number will feel right and everyone will be mad.

  • @ruperthart5190
    @ruperthart5190 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I see your point and appreciate the balanced approach however I think its worth noting that it's impossible to release a 100% bug free game and the best way to spot bugs is to beta test / release the game to the public. Even though it's game breaking, it doesn't mean it is reasonable to expect arkane to have found it. It's one thing for a game to be a buggy disaster like fallout 76 or cyberpunk, but Prey seemed polished where it counted.

  • @jiahri2486
    @jiahri2486 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So by this logic, death stranding should be a 2 out of 10 because I got a glitch on my PC that kept making me fall through the geometry despite most never experiencing such an issue. Right?

    • @zenixkiryu
      @zenixkiryu ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. If you had a bad experience with any game, especially due to factors that are beyond your control, it deserves a low score whether you finished it or not.

  • @TobleroneCraft
    @TobleroneCraft 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just watched your Bethesda videos, so this one has me hyped!

  • @tomparkin2068
    @tomparkin2068 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m still not over their review for Alien Isolation.

  • @GamerTigerBonsu
    @GamerTigerBonsu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love these videos sir
    Pretty cool and entertaining

  • @lyss1305
    @lyss1305 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it's unfair to put a score on a game you didn't finish. He could have made a review stating he wasn't able to finish the game because of a major bug and postpone his score for later, espacialy considering this bug wasn't affecting most players and the game worked fine on consoles.
    Most people won't even read the full review, they're just gonna see the score, see the big 4 and won't try the game.

    • @JimboCruntz
      @JimboCruntz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No. If you can't finish the game because it's broke, the game deserves a bad review because the reviewer had a bad experience. If the reviewer didn't finish the game because they hated the game, that deserves a bad review because the reviewer had a bad experience. Reviews aren't concrete, they are just opinions, they are a reflection of the reviewers experience and they can review however they want.

  • @AstonishingRed
    @AstonishingRed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    NO Japanese game development studio asks the people who buy their games to wait for the game to be better optimized, or dare I even say “complete”, AFTER the game has already been purchased. I just don’t know why people tolerate this from western game studios.

    • @Burnape
      @Burnape 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This just happened a week ago with the most recent Pokemon game. It'll be more common soon

  • @marcusblackwell2372
    @marcusblackwell2372 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The title: "The Time IGN Ticked Of The Internet"
    Me: "Which time? You do know there were others, do you not?"

  • @nosleepzzzz6550
    @nosleepzzzz6550 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol, awesome... I remember that (YongYea), look at you Luke S. being all gangsta. Your videos be super long, but I like that you actually go very in-depth and critique everything objectively.

  • @isaacalexander5286
    @isaacalexander5286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can forgive IGN for their review on Prey but I won't forgive them for Alien Isolation that was just unacceptable.

  • @aX0n777
    @aX0n777 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm just here to say prey is on of my all times favorite experiences holding a controller

  • @blackshadows6019
    @blackshadows6019 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    About long term damage, you should really check Colontonios' opinion on this situation

  • @GameoftheYear-fx4mq
    @GameoftheYear-fx4mq ปีที่แล้ว

    Fun Fact: YongYea is both the english dub for Father Pucci in JoJo's Bizzare Adventure: Stone Ocean and Kiryu in the upcoming Yakuza Gaiden and Yakuza 8.

  • @INhumanLAST
    @INhumanLAST 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem is that rating for games are given on launch day and ratings stay forever.but there are a subset of gamers who just buy after a long time and this rating affects their judgement even though the game is completely patched out

  • @serathaevistille995
    @serathaevistille995 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly I just hope Dan gave the game another chance after launch day and got the enjoyment he deserved. I really do think there was no malice or ill intention behind his review, he just had an unfortunate experience.

  • @TheMysterieRPGguy
    @TheMysterieRPGguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've been saying for years that if more reviewers gave broken games a low review score studios like Bethesda would have cleaned up their act a decade or 2 ago and actually release a working product.

    • @Slyslug
      @Slyslug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My first game with them was oblivion, as was with most probably (exception being morrowind probably) anyways I don't recall many bugs in that game if any when I played it (I was young). A while ago people were saying "bugs make Bethesda games funny and great", I think this was for skyrims release. Now I don't know when the hell this "bugs make it great" thing started but damn is it untrue and unacceptable.

    • @TheMysterieRPGguy
      @TheMysterieRPGguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Slyslug Oblivion wasn't too bad that's true but it sure had some issues (at least for me), they got much worse over time but even before skyrim Bethesda had a reputation for releasing buggy games. They were allowed to get away with it for so long that they started slacking off oblivion had some problems Fallout 3 had more and so on. I think the main problem is their old game engine, I think it dates all the way back to the late 90's and it still has bugs in it from that point in time, they "upgrade" it every time but at this point it's like putting a bit of duck tape on the hole in the titanic.

  • @travisbewley7084
    @travisbewley7084 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They just shouldn't have given it a number then, especially if they knew it was a rare issue that only happened on PC. Early reviews can poison the well in sales, just like shill reviews can prop a bad game up.

  • @goonmonkeykingofmonkeysgmk5447
    @goonmonkeykingofmonkeysgmk5447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never had any bugs with prey and it was amazing

  • @pawlogates
    @pawlogates 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Prey is a masterpiece of games design and overall gameplay depth

    • @pawlogates
      @pawlogates 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought review is supposed to be as objective as possible? And here I hear thats its literally supposed to be the subjective experience of the reviewer lol

  • @HeintjeMTB
    @HeintjeMTB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why is a review score still a stationairy thing? Every patch should have it's own score. Now I understand that reviewers don't have the time to review every patch, but in case of a bug like this it would be worth it.

  • @sopranophantomista
    @sopranophantomista 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, I'm here for this!

  • @SkeeLoGreene
    @SkeeLoGreene 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This whole situation confuses me, because I've been watching IGN for awhile, and I could've sworn that Stapleton was the reviews editor. As in, he couldn't have been forced to put a number on the review because he's the guy in charge of the reviews department

  • @profezzorBALTAZAR
    @profezzorBALTAZAR 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good content, great video👍 you're one of the best TH-camrs out there👌

  • @ossteeves
    @ossteeves 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Luke, big fan. I'm working my way through your critiques and they are just amazing. Just wanted to say you're awesome.

  • @nomercy8989
    @nomercy8989 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mean if you buy a car and it explodes on you no one is going to blame you for saying it's a bad car even if you are the only person in the world who had this happen to them.

  • @SilverSoldier25
    @SilverSoldier25 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "The Time IGN Ticked Off The Internet"
    Do you realise how little that narrows it down?

  • @eddy2314able
    @eddy2314able 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a very good video. I'd like to see you and more critics here in TH-cam talk about this more and more often. the more people understand why in the long run not buying a game immediately might be good, is a net positive imo

  • @rockin97ful
    @rockin97ful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The world we live in, U can launch a game in a buggy mess and it won't get blasted coz it will get fixed

  • @Sammo212
    @Sammo212 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly, Cyberpunk is why I look at Yong Yea AND Skillup less...on top of Yong generally becoming a complaint mill.

  • @leighsherval1023
    @leighsherval1023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PREY was my favourite game of 2017. On Xbox. And the Internet is a jerk

  • @azaelandy04
    @azaelandy04 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Everybody remembers Yong's Cyberpunk review but who remembers MrMattyPlays Fallout 4 review

    • @exysa2798
      @exysa2798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mit everybody. Most people already forgot it.

  • @crestfallenknight6599
    @crestfallenknight6599 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This song was in pandemics saboteur man.mega nostalgia

  • @KO-tq3ns
    @KO-tq3ns ปีที่แล้ว

    I did encounter a crash very similar to what was described by the reviewer while I was playing mooncrash, fortunately, I was able to resolve it. I'm not sure if it is the same or not, it's always a shame when things like that detract from the experience, especially for a game like prey.

  • @Choteron3
    @Choteron3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That yong yea burn XD

  • @AAscension
    @AAscension 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Luke, you are among my favorite game reviewers on TH-cam. I think your videos are good, fun to watch, and well edited. I really enjoy the opinions you give about games, they give me a different view on the games I played.
    However, lately I have not been appreciating the repeating way you have been 'calling out' YongYea. Leave him be. You really do not need negativity about other TH-camrs in your videos.

    • @SkeeLoGreene
      @SkeeLoGreene 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gotta admit, that did seem a little outta left field

  • @TheAlphawolf6
    @TheAlphawolf6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Does Luke have beef with Yong?? This is the second time I’ve seen him mention him LOL

    • @dsaints2344
      @dsaints2344 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Welp, he should add the dreamcastguy to the list, after giving a 9/10 to the GTA trilogy remaster, couldn't look at him with a straight face :/

  • @GripChief
    @GripChief 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:24 Luke really doesn't like Yongyea lol

  • @titlasagna2172
    @titlasagna2172 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally agree with Luke on this. Great video 💯👌

  • @2cents4u
    @2cents4u 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks to fanboys, all we get now out of that team is sevens. The guy did the right thing.

  • @karandex
    @karandex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I forgot that this game exited because of this review. I might play it now

  • @Shroomlet
    @Shroomlet 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s sad that I read the title of this video and had to wonder which one

  • @Draganox25
    @Draganox25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope prey 2 is the original prey 2 from back in the day but remade

  • @All4Randomness1
    @All4Randomness1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You make a persuasive case here, my problem is that the score was not representative of his experience with the game as a whole, which was undoubtedly positive until the bug occurred. What about the 34 hours he DID get to play? We receive no indication of the game's overall quality with such a condemnatory score.
    This wouldn't be a problem if reviewers weren't forced to quantify their opinions, by the way. How can anyone encapsulate an aesthetic experience in a ten-point scale?

    • @TheKripox
      @TheKripox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That score very much can be indicative of his overall experience, even if most of it was good having the end spoiled that bad can sour the entire experience in hindsight.
      Good example, Game of Thrones. The first 4 seasons were almost universally praised with tons of people claiming it was the best show they ever watched, but when the show ended with the final stretch being an absolute fucking dumpster fire the reputation of the show as a whole took a huge hit and I saw many complaints from people feeling liek the entire thing was now ruiend for them. If a show with a terrible final season can induce that effect in people, then a good game that suddenly perma crashes and cannot be finished can very much have the same effect.

  • @GoodVolition
    @GoodVolition 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm fine with the numerical rating. Like you should take a review in context of the written one.

  • @Erkelify
    @Erkelify 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Master Chief shipping Cortana...did something incredible

  • @mistressminerva3382
    @mistressminerva3382 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have great respect for any reviewer which has the balls to call out those issues in the games / gaming industry as long as it is true , honest and reasonable / understandable and well explained. if its just a rant or personal vendetta or click bait thing that review can rot in peperonis.
    tbh i think , Releasing a completely broken game and not being able to fix it on launch day via hotfix / patch / update , was bound to happen at some point , seeing how many reviews be it by game journalists or youtubers simply ignore or brush over bugs and the trust bonus we give to those over-confident game devs and publishers . It was just a matter of time.
    Im old enough to remember that there was a time in gaming history where games could not have been 1st day patched , since that method did not exists yet ... and games had to be done and completeable on lauch day , granted those games have not always been perfect and had their fair share of bugs / glitches which for many still exist to this day . Just imagine how devastating it would have been for a Dev Team / Publisher , if the public buys their Cartridge game on release day back in the day , that only lets you play 6 out of 8 levels and then would wipe your save file .

  • @aisadal2521
    @aisadal2521 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You mean the time where they unfairly criticized the Pokemon Gen 3 remakes for having too much water, or do you mean their overall reviews which aren't all that fair and holistic to begin with?

    • @nickblack2006
      @nickblack2006 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahah thank you :)

    • @brendanu3335
      @brendanu3335 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasnt that because the game mechanics depended too much on water types and the editor fucked up the writer's work?

    • @CeliriaRose
      @CeliriaRose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not really unfair. The point that review was making was that there was an imbalance of types where water pokemon were more prevalent than others and that particularly late game there was a lot of reliance on traversing water areas and using surf and dive. This was fully explained in the review. But because it said "too much water" in the bullet points at the bottom people instead decided to kneejerk about that without bothering to actually read and learn the context of the statement.

    • @brendanu3335
      @brendanu3335 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CeliriaRose gamer brain kicked in for too many and others don’t actually look into situations.

  • @NealFowler
    @NealFowler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So people are not allowed to have different opinions? And the guy had a bad experience with the glitch and frankly I’d be pissed if my saves were corrupted

  • @willythegman5509
    @willythegman5509 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really wish they’d make another prey one of my favorite games probably ever made