Phase-Aligning a Drum Kit with InPhase: An In-Depth Tutorial
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Chapters in this video:
00:52 - Phase-Aligning the Overhead Mics
06:07 - Phase-Aligning the Snare Mic with the Overhead Mics
11:38 - Aligning the Kick Drum with the Snare
14:25 - Using the Phase Alignment HF Filters
22:45 - Phase-Aligning the Snare Top and Bottom Mics
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Excellent explanation, this tutorial is invaluable.
This engineer is showing us 2 things: 1st - how to use this plugin in context, and 2nd - how to phase-align drum tracks in an easy, efficient way, and showing U how to use filters to work certain frequencies? What else can U possible ask for??
People should educate themselves on Phase first. And btw, this plugin is very easy to use and straight forward. And this dude explains perfectly in the most clear and simple way. I'm not even a native english speaker.
Me as a beginner mixer, I'd rather manually phase align my tracks with this plugin than letting an algorithm do the job. That way I can ear train myself to hear phasing relationships between tracks, and hear what those filters are doing... Invaluable skill to have in the long run.
I purchased it at discounted price, very grateful. Love this plugin.
Peace.
I think people expect instant explanations. I'm a user of this plug in, that's the only reason I understand him. He doesn't have a good presentation, but cmon we've all had teachers like that, and sometimes learned from them. He is teaching master level material. I appreciate your approach, use it to train your ears. I'm doing the same thing. Peace.
What a powerful plugin! Really makes the drums come alive
Great tutorial! Figured out everything I needed to know about this plugin by watching. Gonna be really helpful using this plugin to make adjustments instead of EQs- you did a great job explaining. Phase is frustrating which might be why there are so many people complaining. I thought the quality of this video was great and very helpful.
One thing: spaced pair technique is all about time difference between channels, so if you align the phase you are actually changing the stereo concept of the recording. If you want phase coherence, then you need to record your overheads in a coincident pair mic technique such as xy o m/s.
Still in spaces pairs you should aim at a center ed snare so something was off to whoever setup the spaced pair. But sometimes that can work As always there are no rules
Great video, thank you so much. Best video on this i've seen. Learned a lot.
If I knew how to use the plugin I wouldn't need a video. Teach us, we already know you're smart.
this looks pretty damn tedious and complicated. Isnt it easier to align the tracks manually??
You’re kidding Right ? Lol
@@queenpurple8433 Why not?
How do you think that people used to do - and still DO - this, before "Waves" dropped this?
I mean, until you tweak this plugin, added in couple of channels... come on. Zoom in and shift stuff around.
Am I also missing something?
@@SocietateaAscendenta Yes, you are missing quite a bit. If you are just aligning tracks, it won't solve all phase issues, it will just decrease some issues in the low end, but there is still a lot of mess higher, even so it's less noticeable and can sound subjectively well. With such tool you can go one step further and improve the phase coherence even more on the whole spectrum, which may make it sound "better" or "worse" depending on your skills and objectives.
@@vitaliistep THanks a lot!
Good info but I found the teaching style very confusing. Buttons pushed without explaining why and exactly what they do, mistakes made, rushing, too many moves starting with, "Now what I'm going to do..." but no explanation why. I so want to be able to use this plugin effectively but I'm afraid I will need a much clearer tutorial.
wonderful explanation, loved it, thanks
Two things. 1) When he thought he switched the settings at 21:00 to compare, he changed nothing, which he admitted a few seconds later when he realized the playlist stayed the same on the overheads. But when he thought he changed it, he was describing how the snare sounded different and how the kick sounded different, which they didn't. Funny. I would have edited that so I didn't look foolish.
2) All he needed to do was flip the phase on the kick for the phase with the kick issue.
21:30 => "The snare doesn't quite have the same snap, the kick is kinda muddy overall" => In need of [embarrassedly] find the 'problems' with the old playlist that he believed was listening to, he complained about the sound he own achieved, after spending 20 minutes aligning the drum kit. What a Trap.
Is there a tutorial for inphase LT? I can't figure out how it's supposed to work.
I had to figure out how to make this plugin work with Sonar and I did but now I don't understand how to use the plugin on multiple tracks and keeping the source track for reference. I saw him copying and pasting but he did not really explain in detail how that worked to me anyway. I think if we can figure it out this is a good plugin for $29
Yes I found this tutorial to be frustrating...I record my drum OH as separate mono files L OH-R OH, so how do you approach in phase for drums staring with L-R mono files?
send them to a stereo bus or combine them into a single wav or name them so that the daw recognizes them as a stereo pair or group them or just phase align them separately.
Oh man, I got to 20 minutes and had enough. After watching one on the Auto-Align plugin, this just seems too fiddly and time-consuming. I'll spend the $149 and save time.
Great video.
Obviously it is not for people that have never at least opened the plugin and tried to work a bit with it or watched a tutorial about it.
What I found interensting is that not necessarily you need to perfectly alling but tilt a bit to get a better sound.
Thanks.
this looks like exactly what I need. going to demo and then buy it if it works out. Only part i struggled to understand is where the plugin should first be inserted to get the settings right and then to where another instance of it should be copied over to to then finally render the changes. I'm in ableton so I'm not using busses much but do have the option of return tracks.
Thank you for the video, just started learning mixing I'm a little confused, so does the correlation apply if i don't click render?
I thought the phasing is what creates the magic in micing a set?
+Jin J Jep, it gives the stereo information you need to represent a real drumkit in the mix. Just like you never want to gate out too much bleed for the same reason. But it's all about loud and snappy these days :p
Anyone have latency issues on step two? working with the overheads and snare mic? When I capture the sidechain jumps ahead by a noticeable amount.
Same problem did you solved it ?
Seems everything is pretty clear for you...but the explanation is complicated for me which I experienced a new planet of processing audio....
Thank you for the awesome demo!
Hello Mr. White!
I Love this video and all the great information with it!!! Unfornately, for some reason, I can have that plugin set up the same way!!! I can get to see the CHs 1 and 2 like you do!
Is there anything you can assist me to fix this issue??
Thank you Mr White!!!
Feeling confused, when I get to kick drum part, my kick drum mic is hitting after my overheads. How is that possible? Do I have something set up wrong in the plugin, perhaps?
perhaps cause, following this vid, if you align the ov to the snare first, at that brief moment the kick comes after? seems the mic to snare is the closest, then the kick, then the ov
Hey there, great vid... One thing... i dont understamd how you set everything up in ur daw? Can u explain how you set this up?
Nice tutorial, but isnt this ridiculously cumbersome? Compared to Sound Radix Auto Align, where you just put 1 instance of Autoalign on every drumtrack and click analyze. Voila! Works great in my projects :)
I prefer deciding whats "good" myself ;) But you're also right.
This video tutorial is AWESOME!!! It's really helped me to understand phase in general as well as how the plug in can be used to correct phase issues! Thanks for posting this!! I would love to see more videos on phase correction (as well as this plug in) possibly on stereo mic'd acoustic guitar??
Where the eff is the toolbar on this plug? Doe the demo not have it? I need to be able to select the "key to" function. Can only seem to get the plug to capture one track. How do you input the "key to" track? I'm trying to adjust phase between a vocal and acoustic guitar track?
Thanks heaps. I love drums. 💓
where can i find the render button? cant ind it on fl studio require help :(
I wondered the same thing at first, even before I saw this vid.
His Render button was part of Audiosuite.
If a DAW doesn't give you such a button then you have to Mixdown/Render to a new track and then mute the old one.
My DAW (Studio One) doesn't have that Button but at least it Mutes the old one automatically when I Mixdown.
I MAY have missed the S1 Render option first time around. Still learning, always learning.
@@KozmykJ dear god thank you for answering this question. This guy in the video looks pretty knowledgeable but doesn't do a great job explaining how this works.
@@pcurryii Michael White is a top man, I agree.
No one is perfect, however, at least not ALL of the time ... 😜
This is a bit of a resurrection , but Studio One does, these days, have a Render button for clip FX.
@@KozmykJ absolutely. Now if only I can figure out how to use the sidechain if my daw has no key button 🤔
I wish there was a AUTO button to get the best phase correlation.
It's subjective though.
Why is this mixed with the vocals so loud?? I don't want to have to ride the gain on a youtube video.
great but how can I link two different signals? i MEAN SIGNALS THAT COME FROM DIFFERENT CHANNELS
By sending the reference track to Beta via a sidechain/aux link and the track to be worked on into Alpha
Does this work if the overheads are recorded on two separate channels? L & R??
Hi Bob, yes! In-Phase is designed for just this purpose 🙂 If you've recorded the same instrument with multiple microphones, you can fix all the phase issues using In-Phase.
@@waves Is there a tutorial for overhead mics? I watched the one on a direct bass and a mic bass. That doesn't seem to answer my question.
Is there any way you could make phase aligning more complicated.
IKR
Thanks for the great Tutorial. One question: why always use aux channels, especially when aligning snare top and bottom (when nothing in the reference, the top, is changed)?
Everything is pretty simple but one thing. Try to watch the video from 12:45. Keep your eye at the Beta channel's delay. At about 12:52 it suddenly changes. What was that? =) Was it a mistake or something useful? Just there is no explanation about this. Thank you.
he must have clicked on it and dragged by one or a few pixels. He explained early on that the delay could be set by dragging the waveform
Which track do you put the plugin on? The buss?
There are a couple of ways to work with InPhase. We suggest having a look at the user guide for some more detailed examples: assets.wavescdn.com/pdf/plugins/inphase.pdf.
You can do this stuff without any plugin simply by moving your tracks...
you can also record you band using iphone. It works fine too
Patrick St
Yeah, but you still would have to pay for the iphone...
i agree man
No you can't. Phase aligning a particular section of the EQ spectrum with an EQ shaped tool? Okay, you can do A LOT of what this can do, but not everything, at least not very easily. I may invest - I'll try the trial on my next drum session!
***** Well I bought it but the instructions reveal that it isn't fully functional in Logic or ProTools HD. How VERY annoying!
I noticed that when I fix phase on my Kick and bass the volume can’t be adjusted anymore in my DAW. Would I then have to tweak the volume using the gain in the VST?
Hi there, our tech support department is open 7 days a week and will be more than glad to assist. Please contact us directly: www.waves.com/contact-us
14:15 you can also just flip the OH phase AND the snare phase...?
thanxxxxxx very useful tutorial
Why not just move the tracks to match the snare?
Would you recommend doing these adjustments after the filtering and eq of individual channels? Considering the phase shift after inserting filters and eq?
no
@@mekanikaltitan Thank you for the in depth explanation 4 years later.
@@richardjamesnewton I see this stupid question asked a lot. Might as well in case anyone else gets any stupid ideas from this post
@@mekanikaltitan Explain it....
There's valuable information in this video and I'm not being dismissive, but I'm not sure a recording like that one is really worth the time it takes to do all that tweaking. It would help if things were better at the source: a better player playing a better sounding kit, or at least a kit that was decently tuned (that snare ring!).
Wow, I must be a very stupid person. I couldn't follow any of that. I understand the basic concept of having things be properly in phase and why you want that, but Im absolutely lost on how to use this plugin. Please help me not be so dumb.
I remember about a year or two ago I was watching a series of audio mixing tutorials with this guy which were some of the best I've ever seen. It was like a thirty part series that went over every aspect of the mixing process. Now I can't find them for the life of me. Can anyone help me find the videos I'm talking about? They were here on TH-cam.
Hi Jack, have you tried looking for it on the 'Learn' section on our website? I'm trying to figure out which videos specifically you're talking about but I'm not entirely sure. If you remember any other details about these videos, please let me know and I'll do my best to help finding it 🙂
@Jack Johnson Try searching "Mixing with Mike" or "Mike White" or "Fundamentals of Mixing"
Is this Pro Tools? I'm not that familiar with
I'm confused as to why your correlation meters of your fixes are in the negative if they are more in phase?
Negative AND positive both mean in phase. 0 is out of phase.
Colin Peterik Sorry buddy but that's wrong. help.izotope.com/docs/ozone/pages/meters_correlation.htm
Ricardo Riquier I'm curious why you used Izotope's page to illustrate your point about a Waves product, since the two correlation meters are pretty different from each other. What am I missing?
Can this be used for dialogue ? (Boom and lav)
It could. Try a demo of it first to see if it suits your needs.
Can you do a dumb down version of this video for users that have Daws that don't support VST 3 plugins? ( Ableton Live ect. ) Thanks. Bye.
Trouble is that this is for the most part outside of dumbed down territory.
Even for someone who knows their onions the theory of this one takes a fair bit of concentration to keep a grasp of, especially once you leave the relatively simple area of overall phase adjustment and on into applying phase variation to different bands.
That said, non-technical types can get the hang of it once they use it for while, and like me watch plenty of vids on the subject.
Hell, I even read the manual. Who does that ?
This is a real pain in the ass plugin.! Audio Radix Auto-align is the best. I'm sorry but if I do phase check I don't want to be a computer scientific in order to get the work done!
I used to think the same way until I hit a place where (if I wanted further improve myself as a mixer) I had to start getting more scientific. The mixers I most respect (Andrew Scheps comes to mind) are all very scientific in the way they work. It can't all be scientific, you gotta use your ears more than anything else. Phase though is one of those things that requires some scientific knowledge to address properly. Auto-align does a really good job for the most part, but it makes major mistakes more often than you might realize.
What is the Audio Suite? It does not show in logic
it's a feature in pro tools
Great tutorial, thanks!
I think its too much critical... copy, paste, correlation meter, eq, Alpha-beta is very confusing.
can you use it with fl studio 20 ?
You absolutely can 🙂 Feel free to check out our supported hosts list for more information: www.waves.com/support/tech-specs/supported-hosts
excellent video.
Anyone know if it's possible to use this plugin in FL Studio? Even if I properly sidechain a kick track to another track with the plugin on it, nothing appears in the Sidechain (b) track of the plugin.
Thanks
+Vincent Menard (Bédo) FL Studio is able to load the plugin but I don't know if can explore all the fonctionnalities like in the video. I tried. But you can try too, maybe it's me. Good luck
Yeah the plugin loads fine but nothing seems to work with the sidechaining...
Vincent Menard Ok so I'm not the only one. But normally it's compatible with FL 12 and all have to work. I'm still with FL 11 so can't say more.
U should switch to studio one 3.0. You would be happier.
Is it ok if you move the track, in case you don't have the plug in?
Its what this plugin does but with higher precision.
Yes, absolutely.
really bad explanations man i understand nothing
Lots of talk about drums here. How is this plug in helpful for music that doesn't have drums?
Hi @Tim Clement, phasing issues can occur throughout the production process: In recording, when multiple signals are combined: Like guitar amps and DIs; and any source that was recorded with more than one microphone. In mixing, when phasing issues that weren’t addressed during recording need to be corrected, and in mastering, when the final stereo mix has phasing problems. For more information, we highly recommend checking out the InPhase User Guide: www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/plugins/inphase.pdf
great vid. the drums were a bit poorly recorded but I guess it serves its purpose.
geez.. . this plugin makes my head hurt.
could you just speak less and let us hear , I mean HEAR more? Isn't this about hearing the effect, or is it about your voice ??
Recording is no longer an art, it is a digital science. And the pure human art of music is much poorer for it. And FYI, I have been an audio engineer for over 40 years. (and a computer engineer as well) I use all this stuff, but there comes a point where the human element is "fixed" and basically is removed. Sad.
what a bunch of BS! No real engineer is going to go through this BS.
there is a trick about this plug .....even the guys @ waves company dont know it....i discovered it ...i am only responding if there is a reward...or award :), this is real or fake , i dont care what u all think ...this secret is mine and shared it with a good friend .
this video is so poorly planned and all over the place the narrator has no script and just word vomit over the whole video going back and forth between concepts in the middle of explaining another. SOOOOOOOOO much talking and then .5 seconds to show what took him 5 mins a piece to explain
UGH, but why didn't you stop talking so we could listen. crazy
This is pretty silly. Use a phase meter.
You must have amazing ears if you can hear the specific phase relationships of 8 or more mics to each other... Take it from someone who does this for a living if you're not using a phase meter you can probably improve your sound a lot before you even touch an eq or a compressor. I know guys with walls full of #1 records and 50 years experience who still need to use a meter.
Wow that's incredible... so when something needs variable phase adjustment you can hear that too? What about frequency dependent phase? That's incredible. Here you can have my Grammy. Honestly, what you're describing takes just as long as using a meter.
The guy I learned to always use it from actually produced all of Lenny Kravitz albums and has multiple #1s with Madonna, Mick Jagger, Lionel Richie, Vannessa Paradis. His name is Henry Hirsch and I worked at his Waterfront Studios for 2 years so whatever you learned from some guys assistant is all good but you are jazzing yourself if you think you can hear phase 100% in a multitrack or think that using a meter is a waste of time.
With your method you can easily have phase issues between the kick and snare even if they are both phase coherent with the overheads. The method I use makes sure everything is in phase with everything else.
waterfrontstudios.org/Waterfront_Studio/Welcome.html
That's ridiculous for 8 years before I started using a phase meter I never EVER used one and i'd move mics until I achieved the sound I desired... Using a phase meter helped me to improve my recordings greatly. There are many excuses for laziness. Most common being "I use my ears to magically decipher phase relationships between countless tracks of a multitrack". I recommend the Dorrough Loudness and Phase meter. It's a great tool. Pan your first two drums left and right into a stereo buss with the phase meter and if it's up it's in phase if down it's not. Then pan the in phase material to the left and bring up the next drum on the right. Flip if necesary or use variable phase adjustment if that flipping won't work then pan that to the left and continue. Very seldom has this method failed me.
I'm definitely deaf compared to you because in order to be 100% sure of phase relationships regarding many mics I need a meter. But you know, I have won accolades for my recordings... not bad for a deaf guy.
This guy does not know exactly what he is doing. I'm sure this plug-in really works, but this demo has so many faults I'm afraid.