(Drums) EQing Snare Drum Using Waves Scheps73 | Get A Fat Punchy Sound
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Puremix Mentor Andrew Scheps demonstrates EQing a snare drum using Waves plugins. The Scheps73 will help you get a fat punchy drums sound. Watch him using his signature EQ plug-in by Waves: the Scheps73 equalizer. The Scheps 73 can be a real asset when mixing snare eq drum sounds.
It was modeled after the famous 1073 unit, but with some added features like in/out gain structure modeling and mid/side processing.
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Love the Scheps!
thanks so much
I love how he isn't using the EQ like "you have to do it this way" but like "the sound of the snare is how I personally like it"
Standard behaviour for any real producer
@@mattiemclean9882 100%
He is a master with them ears. He knows the the tools and bends the tools to his will. Pure mad man at mixing. 👍
SCHEPS IS THE GOATTTT WE NEED A SERIES OF JUST HIM OMGGGGGG
I like his approach, the world of engineering can get too technical sometimes. Just make sure the feeling is never lost and you've got a great mix!
I like Andrew. he's cool.
That 80Hz shelf was subtle on my MacbookPro ;)
Nice! Tried it with the analog neve and sound goooood!
Mr Scheps is a beast!! Thnx fr the input and output!!
Thank you Mike glad you enjoyed this
The last bit was almost like limiting and raising the bottom end slightly. I like it!
WOW huge statement around about 4 minutes - really paid attention to that - some people like “subtractive” EQ meaning, they take out frequencies they do not like, in the hope that the other frequencies will improve - your approach is the total opposite - I really appreciate a counter view - in both - surely it is what sounds good to you and the client......
Yea that was the most interesting bit for me.
Great respects For this awesome engineer.
incredible videos, as always. it's so bizarre how all of these subtle dynamics can be misinterpreted as "unnecessary" when putting them into context of the larger mix, however without the stacked subtly of each mic's preampage the difference amounts to a problematic larger mix ... ive done it myself a few times - scratching my head wondering how i could fix it from the other end.
i think the point is you should never have to fix it at the other end if you approach it this way. as a drummer who plays guitar and has gotten into audio engineering out of necessity, i can assure you that the drummer really appreciates a great mix. considering that drum mixes are never heard the way they were when played, it's really important to create a representation of what the impression is that a drummer creates.
if the drummer is really really good they will play to the room in such a way that you should need almost nothing to re-present the sounds. but that's only if the drummer is that good and of course context within a mix of other audio is usually the point. i dunno if that makes sense but anyway - thx for the vid.
I wonder how could you "tune" yourself in a studio, in a room you never played in before, wearing headphones with backtracks and click...?
Awesome. Love Andrew Scheps
I like how his voice always sounds like sent through a vocoder with "Speak & Spell" carrier. :D Thanks for the video.
Sounds like he inhaled smoke.
It’s subtle, but he likes it haha
hi ! this video helped me A LOT in mixing ! thanks !
The Man. Thanks Andrew!
Love the waves alge 73
First time through this I came in at the part where he says: "...developed by some fantastic engineer and again I don't remember his name..." I was actually thinking, gee, I hope the engineer doesn't get offended when he sees this video. Started it agin and realized it was a joke, LOL.
firstly if there is difference ,obviously yes! no need of huge amplitude of sound i can hear that difference on my akg's ;
you just have to carefully see what he is doing and where its affecting and focus that area ,you will surely will able to listen ;
second people talking about if this is needed or not !, every sound engineer have his own tricks and standards of sound for example what snare drum should sound like ? it various by engineer to engineer ; so calling someone's tricks not important is not a great opinion; if you can't hear it ,that's ok ,practice and try to hear ,
third if subtle changes do make difference ? sure they do , you won't notice them in early stages but they will make difference at the end !
regards;
keep learning , knowledge is never going to get wasted!
It's all nice tweaking the drums in isolation but the sound changes dramatically once all the other instruments are introduced.
Tnx 4 Tips... excellent Sir
thanks for this, very helpful
Very Nice
I find that "subtle" usually means inaudible. I think some people are imagining the things they hear.
+Michael L. inaudible on PC speakers maybe. I was listening to them on my LSR 308's and could hear the body of the snare get fatter.
Using AKG K612 headphones through a great headphone amp, I could barely hear any difference. Certainly not enough to go through the hassle.
+Michael L. 99.99% of the people listening to these recording could care less.people buy songs because they like the song and the band not because of all the subtle knob twirling that these guys go though.
^then why are you here? Like an honest question, no mean intent, but you're ripping on audio production in an audio production thread, how'd you get here?
Also, to OP. Things are subtle are sometimes inaudible, but in the content of a mix can make a big difference.
Just add the body to the bottom snare and add sparkle to the top snare.
Dope!🥁🔥
So this is is how my ghostnotes dissapear.
and than - after I saw this video (2017) I did buy the Plugin.. because I like A.Scheps...so and today, I found out I need pay 75 more € for my Waves Plugins to keep them in my future system - I don't know... I like him , but I´m out of waves since today...
Why would you want the snare to hit you in the chest? Aside from it being very painful, don't we want to usually leave space for other things at 200Hz?
he works on that "muddy" in a very particular way... you must watch the complete course to understand...
Transients don't need the same space as sustained sounds.
my man is in a spaceship check out the background!
Hi PureMix, what does Scheps mean when he says " phase shift in resonance "? 1:51
Mixbustv goes into this with examples - essentially it is a result of filters not being "ideal" or "perfect". They will have a ringing or resonance around the cutover frequency and there is also phase shifting occurring. It will alter the sound, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. Linear phase filters try to avoid this, but require more cpu and cause latency. He is just saying he likes the the little extra bump he is getting at around the cutover frequency of 80, with some engineering word salad. Great video though - and over driving that plugin input is excellent for saturation :)
Why are these always done in solo???
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why would you want to get rid of ghost notes?
He's not using the drum sounds as a musical instrument. He's making a framework basis for processing.
@@misterdogbiscuit What does that mean? I guess I need to find the video that preceded this one cuz getting rid of ghost notes without any explanation seems evil to me. (I am a drummer.)
@@nuynobi the producer on the record did it. He's just mixing the song.
This is really subjective when it comes to snares.
So many different styles of music and approaches to mixing that this would or would not work for.
In some types of music you really can't count on anything in 200hz to be there because the bass instruments are going to be broadly eqed on top of that.
Likewise, I like a bit of drive myself, but when it is across too many sources it starts to sound like not enough headroom.
I preferred the sound of the input at 0, not cranked. When cranked, the snare became blurred. It lost its true character in exchange for a buzzy saturation which did nothing for me. I prefer a cleaner mix than that.
Did he make this plug in?
Huge Scheps fan here but...
UAD version for me please..
look at all these machines i will never use again
Lol it’s funny he does things that most big name mix engineers directly teach not to do. Subtractive eq vs boosting. But who cares. He obviously is effective. It’s all about the endgame.
The always thing to do is the contrary of what you've been told, true story haha
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Like the transformer saturation but the EQ is too extreme for my ears.
good job you are not the client!
God!
He Forgot to press the Drive button aha
Brilliant
That dial is multifunctional. It adds preamp gain when the drive button in disengaged but adds a tonne of distortion when engaged.
Oh my god I thought I was crazy, I couldnt tell any difference!
@@GrandNebSmada It does a difference, just check the manual:
Pre-Amp increases the harmonic distortion. Range: -20 to10L (Line), -20 to -80M (Mic) Default: 0 L
Please note: • Two scales have been modeled - Line scale ranges from -20L to +10L and Mic scale from -20M to -80M. Both scales switch in 5 dB increments. The Line scale will get extension of ‘L’ and the Mic scale ‘M’. • In its default setting the Pre-Amp will not increase gain, just harmonic distortion. The distortion is mild and adds some coloration.
Drive activates Pre-Amp in drive state. Range: On, Off Default: Off
Please note: • The Drive control turns the Scheps 73 into a distortion generator. This toggles the plug-in to a state that emulates the insertion of a line level signal into the microphone preamp for distortion effects. When Drive is turned on, the line selections on the Pre-amp are unavailable. When turning on the drive control, the setting will automatically switch to Mic -20.
• Attention! - in Drive state the Pre-Amp will increase gain, and heavy distortion will be heard.
Anyone use this EQ for dance music? Or is it mainly used for rock?
i know this was a year ago, but an EQ is an EQ, it will sound good if you know how to use it. id wager its more common in rock production but by no means does it sound bad in electronic music. I use it for electronic music and i love it
@@Prefesuersheen Nice, thanks for the reply. What instrument do you use this eq on?
@@WestCoastFront i like to use it on snares, it sounds good on kicks as well. i dont use it much for instruments, unless i am using it for distortion. if you press the "drive" button on the top right there it has a really cool distortion mode. great for basses and synthy leads. one last trick ive seen andrew scheps do is to put a High pass at 50hz on the master, and then set the lowest EQ to 60 Hz and turn it up, its a nice way to glue together the low end.
that moment when you realize it´s not a type-in-computer speaking but it´s his actual voice xD
Love Andrew, but i have this plugin and the input saturation does literally nothing on its own without the preamp engaged. I encourage anybody to run two of the same track with one phase inverted. the input saturation has no effect without the preamp engaged and both channels will cancel out. and to all those who thought they heard a difference, this is still youtube, where audio is shit.
Do you mean the input fader that he turned up, or the preamp gain (without the drive enabled). I'm asking because you're right about the input knob, however considering the preamp harmonics, even without the drive engaged what happens is it adds the harmonics that would be introduced by overdriving the preamp, but without any crushing of the original harmonics, and without the gain increase. If you don't believe me, it clearly stated it in the manual. Also, I tried exactly what you said using the plugin in Logic Pro and there were a lot of high end harmonics present simply because they were added on one of the channels as a result of increasing the preamp knob. Also, after further testing, the input fader does have an effect if the preamp knob is turned to any value above 0. A a massive difference if the drive is preamp drive is engaged!
He said “Got rid of the extra ghost notes” like it’s a good thing. If you want a bland, generic drum performance I guess it is.
E.Q-ing IN SOLO? i thought that was a big no no??(not questioning the master) but yes or no?
The input cracked up doesn't change the sound... try yourself!
Go in a DAW, make this preset, duplicate the channel with same plugin, but without this fader up, and invert phase.
No sound? Yes...
+Andrey Benassi might be different for protools/logic/etc, but pan the two tracks hard left and right then sum to mono on master bus and flip phase of left or right, should be a slight difference, not worth writing home about though. I think in the video cause of the 7k boost and 12k shelf there is a lot of upper frequency stuff going on which masks the "subtle" difference.
Issac Cartwright The plugin by yourself gives a little boost on high end, that's the difference!
+Andrey Benassi Harmonic content in analog emulations is non linear knowdays,so saturation you not hearing,but it missing when its off,and lifeless.Its not just boost in high end.
Dado Simic I really can hear if I duplicate the channel and invert the phase with the effect I want to hear in off in one channel.
Yeah he's not driving it at all, he just thinks he is. It probably does model saturation, but the input isn't enough in this example.
Also not really hearing his LPF bump, I'd have moved it up to the next band.
Every track and every project is different. To be original teach yourself. What he does is good for him. Find out whats good for you.
Wow all this could've been done in seconds with a parametric EQ lmao
Wouldn't have made a six minute youtube vid though... hehe
He just contradicted himself somewhat. He said he doesn't like taking frequencies out in order to emphasize other frequencies, but earlier in the video he admits to doing just that by scooping the midrange on the snare.
If you blah into the a/b compare .. ears can't compare...
Just wonder f these difference can be heard or recognised by a layman or untrained ear, because they are he ones who buy the music/end users not the sound engineers ... Honestly there might be some difference but I couldn't really perceive or understand or hear it .... Very confused ..!!!
+Bobby Arey the point is that a mix should be portable...meaning that it'll sound good when played on any system. The consumer might not tell whether a snare drum sounds good or not but he sure want to feel the beat when listening so EQing and all sound processing is to ensure the key elements of a song (lead vocals, soloist instrument, percussion/drums and bass) can be hear clearly in the mix and the listener can get a good representation of the song whether he is listening through a hifi stereo system or cheap earbuds, and hopefully be moved by the music.
It would be nice if you slowed down a bit. You make a change, then play the snare and give us what? 2-3 snare hits to evaluate and then before I can take a second breath you switch it. Please slow down a little...
ummmm Scheps designed the plugin and doesn't know how the red input knob works?
Rock drum...facepalm
Not impressed. Even at the end, it still sounded like a biscuit (cookie) tin. That plug-in is far too limited to get a decent, full-bodied sound from a snare, and those frequency selectors are just plain stupid. They may work well enough on the real thing, but on the plug-in they are way too clumsy. It would have made far more sense if Waves had separated them altogether from the eq-level controls.
Funny that he mixes entirely in the box