Episode 077: This is BTS ARMY | Introduction to BTS fans REACTION
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She's right about the difference in treatment between fan girls and fan boys. Fan girls are often disparaged as being crazy, insane and hysterical. ARMY is often called toxic.
Why is it accepted in society for men to devote every Sundays for their favorite sports, splurge on season tickets and team merch, but we're the ones crazy for traveling 8 hrs to catch them in concert and spend as much in merch? Men go on a rampage in the streets when their favorite team loses but we're deranged for waiting in line 5 hours for a concert or pitching a tent overnight to ensure front row seats.
And men are just as verbally violent. Football (soccer) fans hurl racist slurs against football players of color, even chanting them during a game, but we're the ones scarily organized for chanting their names to cheer them on during a performance.
Tell me you have never had any prejudiced thoughts about Justin Bieber fans, One Direction fans, or any boy band fans for that matter. Hell, Beatles fans who were initially mainly composed of women were called hysterical and all sorts of names, until men saw the light and realized they made good music so it became cool to like the Beatles.
Ask any female sports or video games fan and they'll tell you the sexism they've faced in those male-dominated hobbies.
Even Suga and BTS for that matter know this stereotype and the discrimination many ARMYs face. www.soompi.com/article/1249293wpp/bts-suga-talks-misguided-prejudice-idol-fans
Amen!
I came to this realization when I was in Chicago for the BTS concert at Soldier Field, there was a Cubs game the same weekend. The Cubs fans were drunk on the train before we even arrived in Chicago (they were funny drunks not mean just a little loud lol) and I saw many many Cubs fans decked out in their merchandise. I didn’t think it was strange at all but if I were to wear a BTS concert t shirt at home I become a weirdo fanatic fan. (And that would be coming from my husband who installed a giant antenna tower so he could watch the Lions loose on tv every season. When our antenna would not turn he climbed the antenna tower during a rain storm to turn it manually! Who is the fanatic?)
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Well I’ve never had any prejudice towards anyone who likes a certain kind of music, that’s shallow minded. My “prejudice” is usually withheld for people who think a race is more superior than another race or social status makes someone better than the next and things of that nature. I’m not that kind of person (Trale)
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You're also missing the point when she mentions older fans. She is talking about the expectation that music fans are younger vs the reality of the ages of BTS fans.
Totally agreed.
I am one of those older ARMY! I have 2 sons, one is Jin’s age and the other is 30. Unfortunately, neither like BTS and can’t understand my “obsession with those Korean boys”. I am just proud that they didn’t call them Chinese boys,😂😂😂😂
@@cyann410 I'm in my 60s with a son in his 30s. I got into BTS when I came home from ICU stays 7 years ago. I was home for over a month for recovery. I was bored and depressed. All the TV shows and music were all the same. I searched in TH-cam and came across BTS Rookie Kings. I thought theses boys were very funny. I googled BTS and find out about KPOP and their music. I became an Army instantly. I went to their LA/NY KCON and all their concerts near Northeast areas. My son has accompany me to several concerts. My son and I became very close due to BTS music. So....BTS is not just for teens or twenties. They are for all ages.
Exactly, I mean younger fans aren’t even able to buy a hyundai car, so how in the world did that car even sell that well then, who was buying it? Older fans!!
It’s definitely a double standard between men and women when it comes to being a “stan” or a fan. (There’s double standards between men and women within everything) the point she was trying to make was “why is it looked down upon when women are enthusiastic about music and bands.. but it’s liberating and okay when men are enthusiastic about the sports they like”
but her point was its okay in the society for a male dominated like sport fans to be enthusiastic and be passionate on the other hand women dominated area like boyband fans get belittled for something that they show the same enthusiasm and being passionate about and then get belittled by the society and labeled as 'screaming rabid teenage girls'. Sucks to be women in the society while male gets labeled 'passionate' when they be screaming their lungs and show love for something that they enjoy. Its socially acceptable for men, while for women its not.
So true
@Your Welcome I think when you hear or read about fans of “boy bands”they are stereotypical categorized as females and are usually considered groupies or gold diggers. Males are not label in that perspective when it comes to sports. The problem is the standards that gender has when it comes to supporting something you love. It is either negative or positive for certain people. I know that both genders have an interest in sports and music, but people should not judge others for liking something and wanting to be a part of it.
@Your Welcome people call us screaming, crazy, teenage fans about something they are passionate about. Sport is seen as acceptable because it’s a male dominated fandom as well that female football is looked down on. You’re also completely missing the point and trying to make excuses for blatant sexism
@@nmlott exactly. The point was the stereotypes among genders specifically against "females". The "enthusiasm" is being judged just because of someone's gender which is beyond ridiculous.
I have this point , why if I am 40 years old women, it looks ridiculous to be a fan of a music group but in men it does not look ridiculous to be a fan of a soccer team at any age
Same! Why does middle-aged me get dismissed as fangirl-ing over cute guys. Apparently 40+ years of listening to music means I have no taste in music.
Such a valid and important point.
We gonna change that soon, army will grown even more!
Yes, she did want to point out the male vs female aspect to their interests since society has decided what is "acceptable" passions is gender-based. Maybe someday it won't be, but it is now. As a passionate female sports fan, I could go into great detail about what it's like to be belittled when talking about football strategy, etc. because of my gender.
Actually, I could talk about this for weeks since I have accumulated so many examples in my many decades of being female. 😁
This is so true. I'm still pretty young but I've already had people (mostly adult males) tell me that the reason I enjoy Formula 1 racing is because the drivers are cute.
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Male ARMYs have my respect, the amount of cr*p they usually have to deal with (especially on social media) is incredible.
And my heart goes out to the older ARMYs, I've seen too many people belittle them because of their age and what they like. As if there was a time limit for what you can enjoy! Honestly...
@@sofia_with_an_f :high_five:
@@sofia_with_an_f truth! Its very annoying. I live in Canada, and the hockey fans here are split pretty good in the middle based on gender, but as soon as a female starts talking like they know the sport, the judging from half the males.
@@sofia_with_an_f that's the difference tho.. most male ARMY are always welcomed and treated well... female ARMY gets really defensive when other guys try to bully the male ARMY or anything.. i have seen a lot of male ARMY being treated kindly and get protected by female ARMY (it's our motherly instinct, i guess LOL)... i think girls are more accepting in a way? male ARMY are SO popular tbh! hahahahha
@@AnnOsman With all due respect I have to disagree on that. I myself am a straight male ARMY in my 30s, and I've experienced both sides. Yes, for the most part I've been treated well by female ARMYs, but I've also been a victim to sexism as well. In my individual case, I know very well first hand, what it's like to be a victim to gender discrimination - both as a male and as a female. In real life, I also work with these types of issues as well. I only have experience of what it's like being a male ARMY though. Despite having been treated well by most, I've also had my loyalty towards BTS and ARMY be questioned because, and I quote: "Only female ARMYs are real ARMYs". Now, anyone with brain cells knows that isn't true - you are an ARMY if you support and protect BTS and fellow ARMYs, and also live by what BTS preach - which is to stand up against social injustice, spread the message of love, peace and unity across the world, and also showing respect towards other people. It has nothing to do with gender, age, race, sexual orientation, etc. Yet, I've had instances where I've been excluded in conversations about our boys because of my gender. I would however like to add that I at no point consider these sort of people that say such things as ARMYs. Our community is far more than a regular fandom, we are all a family and whatever negative thing that is being said about either female, male and both/neither fellow ARMYs - affect all of us.
The media especially American media has been very harsh towards AMRY even going as far as to say to BTS that we are insane...BTS, of course, just blanked the interviewer(s) and Jungkook went on to say that everything they do is for ARMY (I mean come on he has ARMY tattooed on his hand, why do the media make these statements??) More recently, Fallon, Cordon and others have gotten on board and feel ARMYs love and it has proved advantageous. Hopefully, the rest of US media figures themselves out soon and stops saying (especially) to BTS that their fans are crazy, etc. Hope you guys have a healthy and beautiful New Year!! Borahae
"We stumbled upon BTS in like an accident and we were like _'let's react to this and see what happens'_ and it was like _'...oh'_ and then we started watching the documentaries and were like _'...oh'"_
I hope those weren’t dull “oh”s!
2 thoughts - why doesn't anyone ever ask why Army is so loyal? Sometimes it feels as though the populous is more interested in Army than BTS. Also, imho there is a difference between casual fans, solo stans and Army...
Because they want their fans like Army but didn't want/enough interest to know about BTS itself like their music, their lyric, the meaning behind their mv etc.
That shirt is amazing!
And lol i'll never forget JK tweeting "“ARMYs… I’m almost out of my fabric softener and have to buy a new one… but it’s all sold out"
well what she’s saying about the men vs women is very true,, being an army I can say that most of the hate does come from men.. mostly it’s fueld by toxic masculinity,, kpop stans and army and general are very looked down upon. I’ve been told straight to my face that the person I was talking to was “surprised that it’s not only “little Asian girls” that listen to them” he was a man btw..
Halsey loves wigs. She changes her hair more often than BTS does!
As a psychologist that works in the forensic area and university, I must say that women are not as aggressive as men, that is far from the truth.
As someone who has a doctorate and has read the literature, the research suggests otherwise. -Chalfant
@@BrothersFromAnotherColor, It would depend on the way you are measuring it and the country, but the statistics, our research at university, and our exchange of knowledge with several universities from other countries differ from your perspective. I suggest you broaden the literature and the way you are measuring your data. Also, I still don't have my Ph.D., but I'm a few months from it and it is on gender&women studies.
The point made in the video was not about sports fans ,but more about male/female perspective. In every field whether its sports, gaming, music - men are allowed more and are encouraged to express themselves without the fear of being ridiculed. Every nerdy girl can recall at least one instance of mocking, mansplaining or even bullying. The sports and boybands are just two most evident examples, that's it.
No, The Beatles has 3 #1 albums in a year (twice!) and BTS is the first artist to match that.
And back then it was all vinyl and radio play. (One of my first memories is watching their first US tv appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show) I had much older sisters and we had each and every album. There were no 8-tracks, etc. back then.
I watched them on Ed Sullivan, as well ! I guess I am not the only “senior ARMY” here !
@@cyann410 high five my friend! 💜
And if you haven't joined this discord, I highly recommend you try it out.
@@athelas5305 I have not joined the discord. Maybe I will give it a try.
@@cyann410 You can always leave if it's not for you but I find it a great place to discuss and learn about BTS and it's an incredibly positive Place. 💜
I am so old that I don't know what a "discord" is, much less how to join one. Will someone please educate me. (My word search said that it's for gamers?)
Kelly Clarkson recently said if she had to be bailed out of jail BTS or the Jonas Brothers. She said BTS because they are so powerful. If they couldn't do it BTS would do one tweet and Army of people would remove the wall and she would walk out freely. I just donated for V's birthday, Helping Hands with Tae. That's the power of Army.
For the Beatles one, it means that since the Beatles no one else has gotten 3 number ones. The Beatles got 3, but since then no one else has gotten that number until BTS. So someone else could have gotten one or two but no one else has gotten 3 until BTS
Hi, everyone! We thought it went without saying that we live in a world full of stereotypes and of course, we understand what xCeleste said in the video--it's very straightforward. It is worth noting that many of these stereotypes also arise from others' experiences that are different from our worldviews. In this case, it's men vs women and men's condescending viewpoint of women and the fandoms within music while also holding their perspectives about sports above that, even when they act or respond to sports the same way (or worse). Personally, I think these stereotypes arise outside of anything we do not appreciate ourselves. We can go to museums, art galleries, ballets, concerts, sporting events, car races, and never appreciate those things, nor would we understand the fandoms (or the hype) that come along with them if we do not appreciate it. The issues arise when these [un]appreciations turn into condescending viewpoints where others are written off as immature, stupid, or we begin classifying them by genre or even age. Generations already do that to each other with technology, video games, etc. It becomes even worse when the media begin running with these headlines that are demeaning, as well.
Unfortunately, many people won't even try to experience these new things because of the stereotypes. You can go to the ballet and hate it. But at least you went. With groups like BTS, all sorts of people (men, women, other cultures) won't even walk through the door. It's why good reactors get so much support from ARMY. Thoughtful videos like yours, by two guys that are not typical boy band followers, show everyone that it's ok to like the same things as "fangirls" do. Sorry for all the pressure you're getting in the comments. Do know that sometimes, just saying "I hear you; I understand where you're coming from" is enough of a response.
Here in Brazil, where concerts and soccer games are such a big deal, the double standards regarding genders is so loud and clear. The gaming community is also huge here, and yup, the double standards are loud there as well.
So true...
#OneInAnArmy is an excellent conduit for charities. They don't handle the $, they just list charity websites around the world that need donations, and you donate directly to the charity of your choice. Lots of us do local charity work for our community in BTS' name, or for the boys birthdays, etc... They inspire us in so many ways.
Honestly, I watch a lot of reactor videos along with rewatching old "intro" videos just as a refresher for my own ARMY knowledge. Gawd knows that there is just soo much that we have to learn and remember. So, I would definitely approve of rewatching and studying up :D I totally felt what Trale said when he thought it'd been a lot longer and just a mere two months! Love how Chalfant is a numbers guy! :D Having a different perspective is healthy in this case. Once you guys get enough under y'all's belt, you can start diving into the BTS/ARMY Memes and truly enjoy the fandom while ROFL ^_^ 💜
I spent 24 awake and streaming life goes on. Jungkook talked about do his laundry on a live chat. Someone asked him what fabric softener and he told us. The next day the company was out. Army bought up a six month stock of fabric softener. A few weeks later jk on line told army he need more softener and there was none. Army isn’t alway kind. we have some bulling on Twitter. I had a child army call me a hag and told me I was to old to be army. But when it count we band together. We also have non fans pretending to be army start trouble so people think poorly of us. This happens enough we have this to respond with share.icloud.com/photos/0_uUrgj1oICcPH0d9cTtWEtFw
I was talking to some ARMY online a few years ago, and they asked me if I was ARMY. I said no, I was too old. And I was put in my place really quick, with one girl telling me, that you are never too old. She said they have a motto, NOLO- No One Left Out. And I was told that BTS would not be happy to hear me say that I couldn’t be ARMY because of my age. Those words have not left my lips since. YES, I AM ARMY AND I AM OLD !!💜💜💜💜💜💜 and, when they drop a new song, I will stay online streaming the first 24 hrs, with my 3 IPads and laptop ! I can sleep whenever, but I need to do this for BTS !
Minor calling out anybody over 20s as hag is funny to me cos didnt the members of the group they claimed to stan all aged 20+ 😂 so by their standard they're stanning a group of hag 😂😂😂
8:30 Well, just gonna say that I sure do see a lot of sport-related rioting causing a lot of damage, more so than "boy band" related ones hahahah. And the whole passing out thing? I've seen more people pass out at church more so than at concerts lol. I think the venues have a huge factor in that. Huge crowds pushed together in an area without enough airflow will definitely cause a lot of people to pass out lol. Also, I do think BTS has a pretty diverse demographic compared to "boy bands" of the past. Now, if people would get over their toxic masculinity or their ingrained stereotypes, there'd be even more diversity in ethnicities and ages at BTS concerts. Their music is so relatable. And their performances are so well-done, thought-out, and enjoyable. More people would enjoy them if they were more open-minded. Tbh, it took me about three tries before I started to become a fan. And I don't regret it lol.
The Beatles also had 3 albums in 12 months, but BTS released 3 in 11 months.
It baffles me that people still belittle the power of love. True ARMY love and appreciate these men beyond the superficial aspects. We appreciate them for how they are constantly encouraging us to be the best versions of ourselves. If we aren't the best versions, they help us understand that that's ok too. Some of us may need that extra boost of support. I don't know of any sports team pushing that message, but sports fans lose the freaking minds if you disparage their favorite team. The double standards are always going to be poorly balanced, in favor of men. And, that's the point, I feel, that xCeleste is trying to bring attention to. The commonalities between women and men are much larger than the differences. The only difference being the prevalence of violence from men during sports' events versus females going to see their band play. Also, I think everyone missed that she said that the chart came from "Research BTS", not herself.
Fans take the introduction videos very seriously. They will go through your reactions to check if you've "done your homework". So it would be to your benefit to re-watch them as reactions on your personal channels. Just include a quick caveat that you are re-watching the video (fans also know when reactors are faking first-time reactions to get views).
15:34 BTS hugely dominate the sales of physical albums.
The strawhat and downy pic collage is referring to their "bon voyage" series. İt's basically an oversees travel vlog series. They could not travel this year so it was replaced by "in the soop" which means in the forest which was a glamping vlog kind of.
No need to rewatch the old ones there are numerous other documentaries. İ can't wait till you react to "bts songs that you probably never heard" so many gems like "we on, hip hop phile, ma city, jump, paradise" imma stop here b4 i get to excited 😊
Already love it even before watching it🥰 Also, Chalfant’s clothes are fire..!!🔥 They’re so cute:)
Xceleste : Clear points with facts about all the wonderful things army has done or stand for
Reactors : Blank face
Xceleste : demograph to prove her point
Reactors : hmmmm... but.....
LIKE OKAYYYYY
I believe the gender comparison between how we perceive women vs men who engage in and are passionate about a phenomena was highly accurate and also necessary. The belittling of, what is perceived as, female-dominated areas of interest is an ongoing societal problem. Leading to “what-is-viewed-as-male”-dominated areas of interest being higher valued, more respected and being more invested in. I am so tired of the “gender comparison is unnecessary” -comment as soon as someone tries to make a valid point. This is not critic towards this channel alone. I see this everywhere. Just as when BTS was accused of being misogynistic in lyrics. Instead of focusing on what BTS did about this , which was absolutely first class (i.e. go back to the study on social structures, make sure they are well informed, take in expert advice when unsure and try there darn best to not repeat) people always focus on how ridiculous the claim of misogyny was. Sure, by the standard of pop culture in the western world their lyrics can hardly be described as anti-female, BUT considering the influential power and foremost the ambitions of this amazing group, it is not unnecessary to give and receive critic as an ongoing process. The greater problem with this specific case was rather that the claim came from antis, to do harm. We, ARMY, should be the ones to ask these questions, in the loving atmosphere that the culture and relationship between ARMY and BTS have created. The safe place. But we should not belittle misogyny in pop culture per se. It is very real and very problematic.
Insane with me. IU just happened I saw BTS on TH-cam. It was captivating. And went to know them in social media. Since then and till now. I’m one of BTS Army❤ and I will always be 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Wow! Im finally early this time! Nice 'suit' 🤣
So proud to be ARMY!!
Once again loved your reaction guys 👏👏
In my opinion BTS together with Army are the GOAT. Obviously there has been and still are great artists out there but as a whole (artist,fandom, achievements and so on) I honestly don’t think there are anyone who comes close but again it is just my opinion 🙏💜💜
I love this video, thank you for reacting to it ❤
18:52 The straw hat was probably when Jungkook went to Hawaii. I know the image you're talking about hahaha. It was probably a straw hat, a red hawaiin shirt, a carhartt backpack, and a downy bottle. It said something like "if you're army, you know what these items mean" lol
Whaaaat? Halsey was born in Jersey and is part black, part Italian and other misc European. No blond hair. With the exception of BTS, she has really bad taste in men. BTS and ARMY love her. 😊
There are times where BTS will tell us not to buy out stuff because they needed it 😂😂😂💜
Fabric softener and a straw hat? Sounds like a Jungkook starter pack.😂
Army are strong because they get love from BTS. Its mutual kindness between BTS and Army that made it big. Thank you for getting to know BTS. Enjoy the journey
P.S. When she's talking about "Life Goes On" on Billboard, she's quoting an article by Bryan Rolli on Forbes' website, if you're interested in learning about the numbers. Here's a bit about spins (a spin is 1 play of the song on radio): "'Life Goes On' topped the Hot 100 with a paltry 410,000 first-week radio impressions (versus 'Dynamite’s' 11.6 million), with only one station reporting double-digit spins, per Billboard."
thank you for reacting to us
If y'all think there isn't drinking at BTS concerts...every venue I've been at has booze...and lemme tell you about my first BTS concert in a suite at the United Center-15 grown ass women between 27 and 52 with seversl bottles of tequila and unlimited wine and beer 😂
Amazing...I really liked Chalfant's clothes....You can trend it...Both Chalfant and Trale looks cute..
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but the data and quotes were not from xceleste they were from sources (reuters, etc).
also i think the purchasing power would also be on both sides (as contrary to the typical "12 year old kids" who are BTS army stereotypes)
The wine is from junkooks last solo vlive. Where he drank and talked and told a secret to At least 5 million people.
Night apple is poison apple?
@@charliroche6094 yess
I’m in the upper 25% of her demographic chart. I just don’t post a lot. Have you take a survey of your viewers? 💜💜 I'm wondering how you know the ages of people who watch. Thank you!
It is weird. I like them because they’re close to my age (mid-30s), maybe a bit older whereas most reactors seem to be quite a bit younger than me.
Love this documemtary sbout army💜💜💜
The beatles had only 3 number one album in a year.
As usual--luv u guys! 💜
HAPPY Birthday to our V.
#Vday!!
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Loved your reaction 💜💜💜 and happy new year guys
LMAOO THE JOHN CENA JOKE
Proud to be an Army💜✌️
So to add to your long list...after seeing your reaction to how BTS sold out the Car they were promoting since then they have promoted another and for it they made a song and music video for the ad....but a slight spoiler it does not look like an ad it really is a music video you should react to it. IONIQ x BTS - IONIQ: I'm on it Official M/V
When you mentioned the beatles 3 Albums in a year record then it clicked to me that we have broken that record
I'm here for the fact that Chalfant is a Wolverine. Go Blue!
I think your analytics is not really representative of ARMY but of your audience, because I've watched other reactors say the opposite about their channel analytics. I don't know why you're attracting a younger audience... I'm curious if you know ^^
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First of all thank you for your video! When I see people enjoy BTS content, I feel like I share the joy too. Side note, I think you missed her point about the older fans. The fact that BTS is tapped to endorse products like Samsung and Hyundai means their fan demographics is older with disposable income, contrary to common belief. Also to your other point about your channel viewership is mainly women in the younger demographic, it’s skewed data since you are sampling people who grew up with youtube. I’d say concert attendance data is a much more accurate representation of ARMY demographic.
Thanks for watching! And we know that each reactor attracts a different “type” of viewer. Also sucks to live in a world where everything outside the worldview of men is viewed in such a negative light.
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15:33 I listen to the Beatles all the time hahahaha. I love old music. I have my music sorted by decades so I have songs dating back all the way to the 1930s hahahaha.
You don't stumble upon BTS by accident, they find you 💜 Any Army will tell you that. These amazing 7 humans are a phenomenon that no one understands, but there is no doubt that the world is a better place because they are here. I did not know that XCeleste just updated her Intro to BTS video. It was great to watch this for the first time with you 😀
I am a proud BTS ARMY!! 💜💜💜
As far as I'm aware, spins are the total amount of times a song is played (in this case on the day of its release) regardless of the number of stations that played it and the size of their audience.
Impressions (or airplay points), on the other hand, try to measure how many people hear the song on the radio, so it takes into consideration the projected audience of each station that spins a song.
(I think I went on a mini-rant about Life Goes On vs. Airplay on the discord server a couple of weeks after its release) [ www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2020/11/bts-life-goes-on-be-album/617244/ ]
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omg your t shirt...🤣🤣🤣💜💜
Your clothes shiiiieee.... I can't focus on you guys reaction... Help👍💜
lol thought it was a suit
You nice keep going 💜
Wow. Wolverines gear is really....something.
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Butter #1 8 weeks or ore..Never been done
They were the first since the Beatles to have 3 #1 albums within one year... that means the Beatles had 3 #1 albums in less than one year and no other artist had more than two until BTS... who ALSO had three, like the Beatles; The Beatles didn't have more than 3. Just a clarification. :)
Chalfant really called out Trale lol
BTS & ARMY Everyone~ Pay attention to the continuous covid19 and strong cold, and always be full of happiness. I hope it will be a warmer day with your family than ever before. I wish you good health and good health even in the new year 2021.
* Some wise men do not get old in spring even in cold winter. Everyone moves according to the seasons, but the sky doesn't get on time and doesn't change. I don't doubt that I believe that we will overcome difficult and difficult times now with dreams and hopes^^
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여러분~ 계속되는 코로나와 한파에 건강 유의하시고 행복 가득하세요. 어느때보다 가족과 따뜻한 새해되세요. 새해에도 늘 건승과 건강을 기원드려요.
* 어느 현자는 추운 겨울에도 봄은 늙지 않는다. 무릇 사람은 계절을 따라 움직이지만, 하늘은 시간을 타지 않고 변치 않는다고 하니.. 지금 힘들고 어려운 시기도, 꿈과 희망으로 함께 극복하리라 믿어 의심치 않아요^^
GO BLUE!!!!!! I am a recovering Spartan....My daughter chose U of M for her freshman year so I must show MAD support.
You have a smart daughter! 🤓 My wife is a Spartan, unfortunately, but we actually met at Michigan while getting our Masters, so we are on the same page now 🤣
I love Max so much 💙berry 👀
you should def react to a run BTS EP or Bon Voyage to get a better understanding to BTS as people rather than artist
maybe the strawhat and the fabric conditioner you meant was jungkook, when he's in hawaii
Well I know your right but I did not get that she was saying male vs female I got that she says how is it that different because we don’t necessarily start talking about how men go wild for sports and argue about who’s gonna catch the baseball that was thrown at the Audience
I wish the negative stigma just related to female dominated music fandoms but its not...this stigma extends to movies, authors, and many other female oriented fandoms.
Please react together to BTS shout "Army" at award speech. One thing you can't stop the video after the 1:04 time. You (baby armys) have to feel exactly what Army felt that day. I really wish you will watch. 💜
Passing out in concerts isn't really a indicator of you being a fanatic though. I've been nearly to pass out in concerts cause being surrounded by a lot of pple constantly, more than anything when you're close to the stage, can bring a lack of oxigene.. I wasn't a fan but I still had to step away from it because it was too much.
Also she compared men and women because men bring that comparation EVERY FUCKING DAY to bring us down, so she HAS to adress that yeah, that thing you critic of us? well don't YOU do it too lol sorry but I'm tired of the whole "screaming hormonal girl" when some men fcking end up in a HOSPITAL for football disputes
We didn’t “do it, too”.
You probably heard I specifically said people passing out at concerts, not women or girls. I’ve been there and I’ve seen it and I have actually not ever seen any women pass out at concerts (check out Travis Scott concerts as an example).
Do you think it is only men who do this? Or do you think because it is a male dominated society, and those thoughts and values of men are placed as right or accepted, that it is the totality of all of that that creates such a condescending environment for women to have experiences that are outside the realm of men in a positive way?
@@BrothersFromAnotherColor oh, I didn't say YOU did, sorry if it felt like that. I was talking about your comment of why it was comparing women against men, it was like that because we live through the hypocrisy of social media portraying women like that for screaming while screaming fanboys of sports get a pass and even a comment of how passionate they are in a good light.
And the passing out comment was in spite of gender, I was saying that be it women or men, if you pass out in a concert, it doesn't really mean you are a fan, it has nothing to do with being a fan. Just like you don't have to be a fan, to attend a concert, maybe you're a casual listener.
As I said, I like going to concerts with my friends, I went to a lot of concerts I kind of liked the artists lol and I still had to step away before passing out cuz it was a lot of people, so it isn't an indicator of being a fan or not
Sorry! I just started seeing red. Everywhere. All the comments.
My parents consistently told me a story about when they went to a Michael Jackson concert and people were passing out left and right. And this was from their seats! I get the suffocation piece with the lack of oxygen. Isn’t it a right of passage, though? Jk 😆 -Chalfant
@@BrothersFromAnotherColor from their seats? I feel like the emotions may have triggered a panic attack or something, poor people, it could happen. I haven't experienced such a concert yet though lol and I've gone to three BTS concerts.
The most people I've seen passing out in a BTS concert was in a Chile concert, they were all close to the stage, jumping constantly, it was so hot and there were so many people, plus the altitude if you aren't used to it. We tried to not gather too close and tried to pace ourselves after the first person in our section fainted, but it was difficult, we felt invincible lol
You guys should watch our V-Day at Burj Khalifa now.. XCeleste is an awesome BTSarmy
The graph isn't male vs female it's sports fans vs boyband fans and just so happens that there are more male fans in sports and more female fans in boybands, she's not saying males are more violent.
You bring up your TH-cam channel stats about gender. I personally have experienced that as well, but I think male ARMYs *tend* to express their fandom in a different way, as you were suggesting when discussing the chart.
We just want to live like bts I guess ? Well I want to be a good friend who can support them I just want to be good friends so we can talk and play together
If you want to react to something really fun. there is a new sketch comedy video called bts stans: the world's most powerful army on TH-cam. Trust me on this, it's so much fun.
you guys didn't get her point and i understand because for you it's hard to understand women struggles, since you're not women, but that's exactly why i think you should think and listen instead of trying to critique when a woman is talking about her issues with the society that are a product of misogyny and patriarchy. if you don't act like that, good for you, but you're not the whoe society. also those stereotypes that were laid on bts of which core lies in social issues of women always being ridiculed despite even the fandom not being female dominated is affecting BTS' image which is worsened by xenophobia and racism that bring even more stereotypes onto the group and their fanbase. it wouldn't be too big of an issue if it didn't affect the treatment both armys and bts get from both the industry and the "locals" and also if it wasn't the reason why BTS are always ridiculed and looked down upon by people outside the fandom.
another big point that you missed out on is the fact that male fans aren't usually as open to show their passion as female armys do. so talking about armys demographic based on statistics from online platforms like youtube or social media is unreliable. that's why she brought out the demographic of ticket sales, and then she connected to it the fact that the ones of age above 20 are the ones who can afford tickets, merch, cars, and so on. another reliable source of demographic is their actual listeners on music platorms and those always show close to 50/50 or about 60/40 statistics.
LEAVE IT TO MEN TO MISS THE POINT! Guys the point of the Venn diagram graphic is to show that sports fans and boyband fans are both just passionate fans; however, boyband fans face derision for their passion simply because they are women and therefore their opinions are not valued the same. They face numerous micro-(and macro)-aggressions like being called "hysterical" or "rabid", yet sports fans (who do actually riot or fight on occassion) are rarely labeled negatively (even in the news reports specifically about the rioting). The graphic is not meant to be an exhaustive comparison and its frankly ridiculous that you chose to belittle it simply because its didn't paint what you consider a fair picture...I'm sorry, but as men stepping into a largely female-dominated space, please try to listen a little more... there are lots more things we can say about both groups (obviously), but thats not the point...Y'all praising yourselves for offering what you think is constructive criticism on a graphic you didn't actually understand is not the flex you think it is... I stopped watching after this part so if these guys corrected themselves later, let me know.
Well, your first sentence was as sexist as they come and I somehow wish you'd watch our other videos to get a better sense of who we are and what we have to offer to this community. The point wasn't missed by us, probably missed in acknowledging it I suppose. Trale and I are trained in bias and stereotypes and we know that virtually anything outside of your own worldview is subject to inappreciation unless you somehow have a ton of empathy. But, the real issue comes when it's a male-dominated society and the values of males are placed above females. Men, especially those 18-22 destroy their college towns after wins and losses and we know that men are characterized as passionate and so many other derogatory terms are used to describe women. The same happens in sports, white athletes are called smart and cerebral while black athletes are called fast and explosive. It's dangerous language. It's also language that many don't even realize they are using, or the meaning of it anyways. We are also aware that as males we provide a different perspective or even our own prejudices, just as you clearly have your own prejudices when telling us what we can or need to do as men in this setting. Either way, language matters, no matter the intent. I'm sure glad we deleted our parts that discussed all the other spelling errors, etc. throughout xCeleste's video--that would've probably been another example of men with negative viewpoints on editing or something?
We’re certainly not praising ourselves at all. I don’t think we belittled it at all but if that’s what you want to call us giving our thoughts on the graphic be our guest. From your comment, I can tell you haven’t watched ANYTHING other than this video and if you have, shame on you for picking this out of all the things we’ve talked about (race, crime, pandemic) among other things) to he mad about. We’re far from sexist, we didn’t miss the point and if you didn’t like or disagree with what we said you could’ve came about it in a better manner and maybe there could’ve been a better understanding. We know all about the men and sports correlation. Please don’t expect nothing less than our thoughts when you’re on our page. We’re not always right but we’re always us.
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Hi, I personally love debating topics so if you don't wish to continue this discussion, feel free to simply not reply. Just wanted to say that because this is interesting for me, but you may not feel the same.
My first sentence was intentionally inflammatory, I apologize. Ive seen a couple clips of male reactors reacting the same to that diagram but I HAVE watched other videos on your channel, which is why I was so disappointed to hear such things from yall...
But in the end, it got your attention and I hope you can take the time to read up on why the generalization of men maybe shouldnt be called sexist. Here's one article my dad recommends as a starter: medium.com/mensplainr/of-generalizations-and-men-by-a-retired-general-of-the-not-all-men-army-b21d66b9613c
I personally recommend you read about it from a woman's perspective, but you may relate more strongly to the writer above.
Couple points I'd like to address:
#1: Where did I tell you what you cannot or cannot do? I literally just wrote please try to listen more... word choice IS really important and I thought I was pretty clearly expressing my displeasure at something you said, not telling you what to say or how to run your channel. I might point out that regardless of the language used, you labeling my request as somehow demanding or censoring does seem to correlate to how men are praised for being the boss but women are criticized for being bossy in a similar situation...no?
#2: I REQUESTED that you listen more because I feel that people tend to become a bit close minded when they feel threatened. It seemed like after you saw that diagram, you took it a little personally and focussed on defending sports fandoms (or at least making it clear the diagram wasnt perfect, therefore undermining its message, whether intentional or not) rather than trying to understand the other perspective. It even carried into the next talking point about disposable income, which was not related to sports fans in the video and was in fact a separate point.
#3: I can only judge what is presented to me and I'm not sure why I should care about what you edited out? I do think that criticisms about someone's spelling, grammar, pronunciation, etc. are unnecessary as long as they successfully communicated the point... potentially classist, elitist and at times racist, but im not sure why you'd think I'd call it sexist... unless you view any criticism lodged at you by a woman as somehow calling you sexist?
I would love to discuss more about this (politely, as I don't intend to hurt your feelings) I think you could greatly benefit from a wider perspective on sexism especially as you continue to operate within a largely female-dominated fandom.
There's this really great term someone coined on twitter (I think) called mentrification and as content creators who care about social issues, I think you should be aware of it.
@@tellmebangtan1140 Putting my kids do bed and I'll be back. Promise! And thank you for coming back--I didn't expect this!
This discussion is so entertaining. I came back here twice to check if there are any updates...
Making it female against male...Because men can act the exact same about their team...And that's okay...But when women do it...We are seen as ridiculous. The comparison doesn't go beyond that point really
Blinks ( Black pink) and Exo-L (Exo)have been horrific to BTS and ARMY. Simply horrific.
Have you checked out the statistics around domestic violence after
Sporting events? In the parking lots, the drunk driving. I don’t think any of that compares to passing out at a concert. I stand with her statement. I do love your reactions but be careful here. BTS represents safe spaces.
The only thing I didn't like about this vid is the "western music industry are often rooted in racism and xenophobia" part. That is clearly not true. How many black rappers "make it" in the western media? Remember Psy? He was played on the radio all the time and he wasn't from the west. Also how many latino people have made it on the charts and are getting plays on the radio? A lot lol. The only reason K-Pop isn't big over here is because we have enough people trying to make it and who have made it. There are only a certain number of hours in a day and with so many "artists" in America they can only pick and choose from so many. So no it's not xenophobic or racist. They were just reaching with that racism and xenophobia bs lol.
That quote is from a music industry journalist that writes for Forbes and Billboard and know a ton more happening behind the scenes in music that the average person (us).
Yes black rappers get huge in western markets but getting acknowledged by award shows were a huge uphill battle and still is. Latino songs only blew up in the western market because of Ricky Martin and Enrique Englaseis (i have no idea how to spell that last name) only those that they sung in English got radio play and got acknowledged on award shows. And music industry ensured they would get a Grammy but it was a seperate Latin Grammy and doesn't have the same weight as they weren't competing in categories with western artists in pop, rap, and hip hop and nevermind for best artist or album. Despacito was a huge thing that it got so much radio play as it was in Spanish and it got number 1 and that was only a couple years ago. People still have a thought in western market that if its not in their language whats the point in listening to it, I just have to look at my own family to see this.
So I respectfully disagree with your opinion
Psy was a meme, a joke, a funny fad, by no means was it a meaningful entry into the American music industry!
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