George R.R. Martin Talks About Who Will Write His Books After He's Gone!

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    Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire video. In this video, I talk about what George R.R. Martin said during his interview, when he was asked, "will he let anyone else write in his A Song of Ice and Fire universe?" This is an interesting subject because fans have always wondered what will happen if George R.R. Martin isn't able to finish writing his books himself. As you all know, George R.R. Martin has been writing the Winds of Winter for roughly 13-15 years. He still hasn't announced an official release date for the Winds of Winter. This makes many of us wonder if he'll ever finish the Winds of Winter, or A Dream of Spring... Will he allow anyone else to finish his story for him? Can he protect his writing forever? George R.R. Martin doesn't seem to think so. He believes someone will eventually start writing their own stories in his universe. What will this mean for A Song of Ice and Fire if he doesn't finish it on his own?
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    Source: George R.R. Martin Interview
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  • @TalkingThrones
    @TalkingThrones  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

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  • @kurtisstoddard2744
    @kurtisstoddard2744 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1092

    When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the mountains blow like leaves in the wind, George will finish ASOIAF

    • @Hochspitz
      @Hochspitz 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      And that's fine with me, Valar Morghulis, winter has come.

    • @davey815
      @davey815 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Don't worry... The pizzas are still coming. And their going to be huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!

    • @Heathennation1976
      @Heathennation1976 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Stop that he will never finish it he's like 78 how long has we been waiting already it will never happen

    • @Sk8FraSchTheEnd
      @Sk8FraSchTheEnd 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      dream on

    • @Y2JArmyofficial
      @Y2JArmyofficial 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ha good one!!!

  • @VonJay
    @VonJay 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +690

    It's kind of poetic that Spring will only be a dream, and not something we'll ever read.

    • @kevin4680
      @kevin4680 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      Sad but true

    • @Sk8FraSchTheEnd
      @Sk8FraSchTheEnd 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      at least, you wont waste your time doing so

    • @thelegacyofgaming2928
      @thelegacyofgaming2928 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ah yes, very poetic 🤓

    • @VonJay
      @VonJay 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@thelegacyofgaming2928 i meant to say ironic

    • @youssofokhatibo
      @youssofokhatibo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I feel like his writing the two back to back because GRRM his like a gardener in his style of writing so I think his not just writing the WOW but his on the DOS too and maybe of they got to be published one day he'll publish them back to back a year between the two
      And since winds is so big he'll have to publish two parts of the same book so I think he'll release winds two parts separately

  • @RedBullxMD
    @RedBullxMD 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +346

    He was talking about finishing WoW in 2015 with a hard deadline. The fact that almost 10 years later he is nowhere near completion of that same book should tell everyone he is never going to finish ADOS.

    • @LockChallenged
      @LockChallenged 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      I wish he would just be honest about why it never came out back then. Like if he geniuses believed it would be out in 2015. And then later said it would for sure be done for that convention in 2020. That was 4 years ago now, clearly something is going on and I wish he was just honest about what the issue is instead of always just vaguely mentioning “I’m working on it”

    • @nathanscarlett4772
      @nathanscarlett4772 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I wish all that to but i come to the realization that he probably has a contractual obligation to not say anything besides 'I'm working on it', as it would affect sales of everything else going on for the billion of items being sold around the book series

    • @jenniferpearce1052
      @jenniferpearce1052 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Check your math

    • @RedBullxMD
      @RedBullxMD 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jenniferpearce1052 how so? 2015 to 2024 is almost 10 years

    • @rpg_haven
      @rpg_haven 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ADOS? He's never going to finish TWOW.

  • @andrewalderman
    @andrewalderman 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +284

    The Sanderson joke is funny because Sanderson is the polar opposite of GRRM in his ability to meet deadlines, and because despite Sanderson's skill, he is not a good fit for the world or tone of ASOIAF.

    • @samuelleask1132
      @samuelleask1132 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      Yeah Sanderson has said as much himself

    • @zyo00wv
      @zyo00wv 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      I love sanderson and his work but I don't think he would be a good choice for this world the only person that comes to my mind is Joe abercrombie

    • @samuelleask1132
      @samuelleask1132 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      @@zyo00wv Steven Erikson, Tad Williams, Robin Hobb, Jay Kristoff and Joe Abercrombie all collaborating together could write a phenomenal Winds of Winter

    • @msdiamar_
      @msdiamar_ 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@samuelleask1132and if they’ll be working off his notes then it’s also a collaboration with GRRM. This is a wet dream honestly

    • @starsimvidz
      @starsimvidz 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@zyo00wv we can speculate about which authors could do it... but damn i feel like if anyone is tasked with it... it wud b elio & linda lololol..

  • @joshmanchester5873
    @joshmanchester5873 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +458

    The guy had 13 years to finish and yet here we are

    • @Alejojojo6
      @Alejojojo6 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

      He began publishing in the 90s! The novels should all be completed. He takes always 15 years in between books

    • @elphiegleason3899
      @elphiegleason3899 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      Not another writer
      The backlash from the show has him freaked out about WoW
      I don’t want to see another writer try his hand at it

    • @FilmFanaticCommentaryClips
      @FilmFanaticCommentaryClips 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Stephen King churned out The Dark Tower Series plus a gazillion other books - What's Martin's excuse??? Oh I write slow 😂

    • @elphiegleason3899
      @elphiegleason3899 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@FilmFanaticCommentaryClips hey don’t be knocking Stephen King. Yeah that later volumes in the Dark Tower series were disappointing and I’m a die hard Constant Reader

    • @akaraniq
      @akaraniq 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      His excuse is that he's working on House of the Dragon and a ton of other shows including having worked making scripts for GOT, hello. He isn't just sitting there, he wants to see his work come to life​@@FilmFanaticCommentaryClips

  • @robrick9361
    @robrick9361 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +130

    "Sauron strikes back"
    Amazon Prime : "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!"

    • @hawk66100
      @hawk66100 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      So do you have a movie for me?
      Yes sir I do!
      So in this one it turns out that Sauron didn’t die!

    • @robrick9361
      @robrick9361 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@hawk66100 Wrong.
      Turns out Sauron had a love child with Shelob and now it's seeking revenge.

    • @hawk66100
      @hawk66100 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@robrick9361 Oh it’s gonna be hard for them to defeat this villain!
      Actually it’s gonna be super easy. Barely an inconvenience…

    • @virgilxavier1
      @virgilxavier1 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Except Amazon didn't hire 3rd rate writers, they hired ninth rate writers or possibly chatgpt2

  • @waynethompson6667
    @waynethompson6667 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +457

    I don’t believe he’ll finish either of them.

    • @jakesully6300
      @jakesully6300 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      Sad to admit. But I agree with you.

    • @xtldc
      @xtldc 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      As disappointing as that is, I made my peace with it a long time ago.

    • @knowur10sand18s
      @knowur10sand18s 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      I think he finished them, but doesn't want to release then after the HBO debacle with the show.
      The books will be released posthumously.
      Acting like he's got writers block among a million other excuses yet he's continually working on new material related to GoT.

    • @danielallen4450
      @danielallen4450 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      @@knowur10sand18s he’s always been a slow writer, with the exception of a storm of swords, so I’d say there’s no real reason to believe he’s finished winds.

    • @knowur10sand18s
      @knowur10sand18s 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

      @danielallen4450 he's literally made 10 more books since Dance With a Dragons and co wrote Elden Ring. That's not slow writing That's being done with ASOIAF.

  • @PSC9634
    @PSC9634 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    Lennon told George Harrison, "If you write a song, keep writing, don't stop or you may lose the inspiration." (paraphrased) I think the inspiration left GRRM and writing became work. His creative mind no longer has space for GOT.😢

  • @danieljardim5245
    @danieljardim5245 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    The real Winds of Winter is the friends we made along the way

  • @seldomsane5278
    @seldomsane5278 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +203

    I feel like the shitshow that was the last few seasons of GoT affected him more than he lets on. D&D really mucked his story up. Honestly I feel bad for the bloke.

    • @leobaltz2057
      @leobaltz2057 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      I agree 100%

    • @user-iw8wl9wu8y
      @user-iw8wl9wu8y 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      been wondering this and i wouldn’t be surprised if we’ll end up getting the announcement as soon as house of the dragon airs its final episode

    • @seldomsane5278
      @seldomsane5278 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@user-iw8wl9wu8y Hope so, would be nice.

    • @mint.tea.biscuits
      @mint.tea.biscuits 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      It deeply affected me as a fan, let alone the father of the story… It has taken me a few years since the show ended to even be able to reread the books. I am in the middle of A Clash of Kings now, and I’m incredibly proud to have been able to pick the books back up after the trauma I felt because of the show. I’ve been able to work on slowly forgetting it was a part of the story at all, because I only want to remember the books as canon. Anyway so, yes, if this was my life’s work and someone assaulted it like D&D, I’d need a lot more time to recover than I needed now (just as a fan).

    • @seldomsane5278
      @seldomsane5278 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@mint.tea.biscuits I'm actually half way through that one too. Nice to re-read. I think the first 4 seasons hold up, after that it's like a different story.

  • @poppag8281
    @poppag8281 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +80

    9:11 Brandan Sanderson has already said a couple different times that even if offered he wouldn't do it since Asoif is so different from what he normally writes

    • @kevin4680
      @kevin4680 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Exactly

    • @jenolaszlo2167
      @jenolaszlo2167 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Brandon can write everything

    • @kevin4680
      @kevin4680 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@jenolaszlo2167 not grimdark

    • @guranshsohi9048
      @guranshsohi9048 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Definitely not grimdark

    • @samburchard9921
      @samburchard9921 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I hope that Brandon changes his mind when the time comes and the widow tearfully asks him to do it... I think that it would be phenomenal.

  • @Tyler_W
    @Tyler_W 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    I think a story left unfinished is a tragic thing. Were I in his sotuation, I'd not only feel as though I owe the audience, but my legacy and the characters themselves. If there is a person he trusts to execute the rest of the story with all of what he has written and outlined, then I hope somebody does finish it if he doesn't.

  • @djancak
    @djancak 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

    i think he's writing winds of winter at the same time as dream of spring, or at least making sure that everything in winds will properly transition into dream. i know he's a "gardener" writer but he definitely knows how he wants it to end and is just trying to make sure all the plants and vines are all properly trellised and pruned in just the right way. i'im sure he's also come across some complexities he is working around which is slowing him down, like the "merenese knot" in essos

    • @Orion33759
      @Orion33759 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      He waited too long. His ‘garden’ is like a Jumanji jungle now.

    • @djancak
      @djancak 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Orion33759 he's got a garden inside a jumanji jungle

    • @TheLazarusOperation
      @TheLazarusOperation 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I dont think you understood the analogy lmao. Its not about readers or fans. Its the way he makes plots weave and tie into eachother. I dunno, I want WoW as much as anybody, but leave the dude aloje and let him do his thing lmao@Orion33759

  • @TihetrisWeathersby
    @TihetrisWeathersby 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    Don't be surprised if George tries to do a Ready Player One style thing when he dies

    • @tylerdurden4129
      @tylerdurden4129 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hell yea

    • @tylerdurden4129
      @tylerdurden4129 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It will be in VR westeros

    • @tylerdurden4129
      @tylerdurden4129 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The key to world and all ownership of the brand lies in Sothoryos, u need at least a level 99 dragon, all items full Valyrian steel and a minimum of 7 points - magic stats

    • @JacquesduPlessis11
      @JacquesduPlessis11 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Since I have haven't read Ready Player One - what does that mean?

    • @tylerdurden4129
      @tylerdurden4129 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Watch the movie, it's about a game in the future called the oasis, and it's like VR Facebook fortnite WOW all combined so people spend their lives there as avatars and it has a massive sway on the world economy so when the creator dies he leaves a treasure hunt for the players to race to the key to own the game,
      It ends up being a kid from a slum against the US military as it's deemed the most valuable resource on earth

  • @hollywoodjkw
    @hollywoodjkw 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    There's 0 chance martin will finish the books

  • @mgers75
    @mgers75 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +156

    Maybe he's been secretly writing the last two books the last 13 years and is planning some crazy dual release maybe he holding them till he dies as the ultimate troll exercise?

    • @glen603
      @glen603 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      I came here to say pretty much this but the ultimate troll exercise had me lol'ing

    • @dariocarate1505
      @dariocarate1505 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      Man don't give us hope...

    • @Jamieconstable
      @Jamieconstable 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I was thinking this

    • @SorceressWitch
      @SorceressWitch 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      He has already denied these rumours.

    • @daquaviousbingleton9763
      @daquaviousbingleton9763 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      @@SorceressWitchhe wouldn’t confirm them would he? 😂

  • @shawnhenderson2091
    @shawnhenderson2091 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +87

    Brandon Sanderson already said he won't do Game of Thrones, and his style doesn't really match GRRM's gritty realism - I'd suggest Andrej Sapkowski if he'd be willing, his style matches GRRM's the closest of anyone I've read the last 20 years or so...and he's got the street cred, having written the Witcher.

    • @LubiczPolkrwi
      @LubiczPolkrwi 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Andrzej*

    • @Belkerlos
      @Belkerlos 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Joe Abercrombie or Tad Williams could finish it, as well

    • @svan81
      @svan81 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It would be James S.A. Corey (Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham).
      Franck was GRRM's personal assistant for like a decade. And Abraham was GRRM's protégé

    • @Slawyes
      @Slawyes 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      A Polish writer, yes that makes sense...

    • @guranshsohi9048
      @guranshsohi9048 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I respect Sanderson but him completing ASOIAF would be a travesty

  • @boxinsteadyeddie
    @boxinsteadyeddie 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Rings of Power was basically Sauron Strikes Back in prequel form lol

  • @sgtbeercanyt
    @sgtbeercanyt 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

    What a tease in the first 20 seconds lol

  • @EmbraceTheInevitable
    @EmbraceTheInevitable 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    GRRM just needs to workout, which will increase his overall mood, motivation, and health. Somebody train this man and chef him up some good food so we won’t worry about him lasting long enough to finish it

    • @freedomclub866
      @freedomclub866 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      100% correct answer. Daily walks, basic weight lifts for old men, regular sunlight exposure and a balanced diet with no junk food will stimulate neurogenesis, creating new brain cells, increasing creativity, interest, mood, inspiration, and his love for life again.

    • @legrandliseurtri7495
      @legrandliseurtri7495 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It seems really hard for young people to get into an active lifestyle, I imagine that it's even worse for an old man like him.

    • @EmbraceTheInevitable
      @EmbraceTheInevitable 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@legrandliseurtri7495 Simply walking does wonders

    • @daze4135
      @daze4135 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@legrandliseurtri7495 it's not hard at all, I got into the gym 8 months ago and never thought I would look forward to going and the pain. Just start. A gym buddy also helps, when 2 of you hold each other accountable, you get great results, apes together strong.

  • @GeorgioSubs
    @GeorgioSubs 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    When I got to Feast and realized that he started 1000 new storylines in the 4th book, I realized we will never have a Dream of Spring and will be very lucky to ever get Winds.

  • @MrSquigglies
    @MrSquigglies 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +119

    Most respectful way to go about it would be to have someone like Sanderson come in to finish it and publish it along with his own outline in a companion book for people who don't want to recognize Sandersons writing as canon because those people will exist

    • @HackWilson14
      @HackWilson14 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Obviously those people will exist because we wouldn’t truly be getting the proper stories. GRRM is a gardener, his stories evolve as he writes so he doesn’t have an outline he can give to someone to publish. He’s not that kind of writer, and if he was then the books would have been finished long ago

    • @Manofthewhiteknife
      @Manofthewhiteknife 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      George doesn't write with an outline...Joe ambercrombie

    • @festlenestle2959
      @festlenestle2959 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Manofthewhiteknife you think that abercrombie would be a worthy candidate for finishing the series?

    • @kylereid1072
      @kylereid1072 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I would say Sanderson, or Tad Williams would also be a good choice

    • @ncj687
      @ncj687 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Sanderson will be too busy finishing the Cosmere to give ASOIAF the time it needs - untying all of Martin’s knots and plot points will take a ridiculous amount of care and attention. They’ll have to find a strong up and comer looking to break in, like Harriet Jordan did when she picked Sanderson to finish The Wheel of Time.

  • @phnompenhandy
    @phnompenhandy 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +91

    There are a handful of long-term TH-cam creators whose grasp of ASOIAF I deeply respect. I'd certainly read any sequels they put out if it came to that.

    • @mdthor3187
      @mdthor3187 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      IIRC from a previous video, George has two mega fans that he actually consults on his GOT lore because they are so well versed and know just as much if not more than he knows about the series. Those people are the ones I would definitely trust to finish out the series.

    • @ryman1933
      @ryman1933 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Hand pick like 3 super fans and have them collab to finish the series. You need a few of them to keep the ideas in balance and make sure the story doesn't go too astray

    • @phnompenhandy
      @phnompenhandy 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@mdthor3187 That's Elio and Linda who co-wrote the World of Ice and Fire with George.

    • @lyarrastark6254
      @lyarrastark6254 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      I don't know if any of them are actually good writers. The George IS a good author, and I don't want to read a sequel written by a less talented writer. Being a big fan is simply not enough.

    • @ljb8157
      @ljb8157 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@lyarrastark6254you might have no other choice. It will probably come to that.

  • @TihetrisWeathersby
    @TihetrisWeathersby 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    You will have to pry those books from his cold dead hands

  • @ghostlyapples
    @ghostlyapples 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    His notablog post really had me thinking he finished the manuscript for WoW. If I'm right, he'll spend most of this year editing. If the book ends up being split into two, we might get a Dunk & Egg novella in between releases. Winds is definitely the hardest book to write because you have to take all those loose threads and bring them together. The final book will be much, much easier to write. We might only have to wait five years!

    • @fuzi5303
      @fuzi5303 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      copium

    • @ChristopheStrobbe
      @ChristopheStrobbe 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Which specific blog post are you referring to?

  • @AnuViation
    @AnuViation 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    "Thus sayeth the Lord of Light. The Great Scribe will deceive many and bring them false reports of unfinished works, but I say he has finished, the wonderous tale of The Song of Ice and Fire. Harken unto my words. The Great Scribe will pass on, and give up the ghost and only then will he release these unfinished works. Yay, he will release them all after his passing as to not be witness to the reactions of the people."

    • @Bewbscueser
      @Bewbscueser 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Dad will be home from buying cigarettes any day now!

    • @TrueGreyJedi
      @TrueGreyJedi 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ya know? That makes a scary amount of sense.

    • @joeyken81
      @joeyken81 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Mannnn I have had this thought for quite some time. I've thought about this longer and harder than I should have and for some reason, I have a feeling he's done with TWOW and is powering through (or trying to) ADOS.
      I've also wondered if he has a strong outline for F&B pt. 2, which he'd want to release prior to ADOS at the very least, as it may have clues/suggestions to the conclusion of the main novels.

  • @loganpeters7543
    @loganpeters7543 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

    Boss makes a dollar and I make a dime, that's why I poop on company time.

  • @RogerRoger15
    @RogerRoger15 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Id give 5 years off my life for a complete story

  • @barbaraowen45
    @barbaraowen45 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I don’t think we will see anything in 5 years or 10 years or ever. I used to sit in pin and needles waiting but I don’t anymore. GOTs isn’t our only ending, I must say you did a great job with your story. Thank you for all your work, and for keeping the excitement alive

  • @ryman1933
    @ryman1933 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    He should hand pick like 3 mega fans with writing talent and have them collab to finish the series. You need a few of them to keep the ideas in balance and make sure the story doesn't go too astray

  • @BriellaScarlet
    @BriellaScarlet 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Man... I just hope and pray that everything that George is going through is all doing good somehow. Admittedly he really IS getting old, and nowhere any younger by that obviously. As years go by he will indeed get weaker. Although I still believe that he will someday finish the last two books, I hope it will be really good, fitting, and will be written without regrets. Never mind the haters; much love George!

    • @ljb8157
      @ljb8157 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I love your optimism. I wish I could share the sentiment.

    • @thelegacyofgaming2928
      @thelegacyofgaming2928 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well, he's rich, so he's doing better than us.

  • @chuckraley9898
    @chuckraley9898 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Great video, brother... as always! I appreciate your hard work!

  • @Chrono_Punk
    @Chrono_Punk 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It's crazy that the biggest chance we have of actually getting a new book is him actually dying and someone else picking it up

  • @jamesnave1249
    @jamesnave1249 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Brandon Sanderson most definitely should not be the one to finish the story. He's a great writer, but his style of writing is not complementary to GRRMs style at all. Robin Hobb would be a better choice in my opinion, she is friends with George and was involved in teasing out all of his earliest ideas for the series.

  • @BunnyDracula
    @BunnyDracula 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    At this point, I don't really think GRRM has written much more than a brief outline for Winds of Winter, much less Spring. He just gives off the vibe of being done with it all, and is just running on fumes. My favourites for finishing this series (and I do want it to be finished, eventually) are authors Dan Simmons (Hyperion Cantos, Illium, Olympos, etc.) and R. Scott Bakker (The Second Apocalypse series). Both are fantastic writers, with no lack in imagination, and who have put out work comparible to Martin's own works. I am 100% confident that with either one taking on the task of bringing ASOIAF to a conclusion, they will do so honouring this world, and we will see these books within about three years of their writing of it. As to whether either is altogether jazzed about doing it, who can say. But I'd rather Simmons or Bakker have a crack at it, than the default fall-to, Brandon Sanderson. Nothing against him, I just don't think he's the best choice for fitting himself tonally into the Song. Anyway, that's my two cents.

  • @MesaperProductions
    @MesaperProductions 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    FINALLY answering the questions have had for almost two decades!

  • @RobinTig
    @RobinTig 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Way back when I was young and started reading these , I never thought I would die of old age before knowing the ending of this series by his own pen.😢

  • @lampcrow5453
    @lampcrow5453 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Sanderson’s already said he wouldn’t do it because it’s too violent and crude for his faith. If anyone, it’ll be Elio and Linda.

  • @nadiasouthiere7908
    @nadiasouthiere7908 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    I’m starting to believe that I will NEVER read The Winds of Winter neither A Dream of Spring….I’ve lost hope 😔😔😔George R.R. Martin is old and he will probably die before finishing any of the books he wants to write ✍️ about the World of Ice and Fire…So yeah, it’s just my opinion, I can be wrong 😑…..Thanks for sharing this video, I appreciate all the updates that you post here on TH-cam!👍👍🙏🏻♥️🙋🏼‍♀️🇨🇦

    • @paulwoodford1984
      @paulwoodford1984 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      His last book will be winds of winter. Unless he’s written more than he’s letting on. Who knows. But Dreams of spring will never ever happen. it will make for lots of youtube channels with “what if” vids.

  • @staticdynamic1605
    @staticdynamic1605 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Honestly no, I don't want another writer to tackle this.

  • @levilogstrom8534
    @levilogstrom8534 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The best author to hand it to if it ever came down to it is Joe Abercrombie who wrote the First Law novels.

  • @KevinHwoarang
    @KevinHwoarang 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I have full confidence that when Winds of Winter releases a Dream of Spring won't be far away. What I understand about the delay is that he had a hard time structuring the 5 year time skip that he had in mind. He got stuck on making either flashbacks or dreams, so my guess is that once he figure that puzzle out, the puzzle for a Dream of Spring might fall in place just from solving of that 5 year timeskip.

    • @sdzielinski
      @sdzielinski 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The Winds of Winter could make writing the Dream of Spring easier. He can resolve many plot lines in the WoW. In the DoS, the ending would be relatively straight forward -- unless his gardening impulse gets in the way!

  • @xavier84623
    @xavier84623 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There are so many lore experts on TH-cam, if they got a team together of lore experts and professional writers, I bet they could deliver a dream of spring which ties everything up and follows the symbolism and pays off the story lines, especially with George’s help. Just trusting it to a single author because they are famous would be a massive mistake. George has his own unique style, you would not want a new creative director adding their own style to it, you would want a team of experts dedicated to reproducing George’s style and concluding his plot lines in painstaking detail.

  • @Sandrilyonaify
    @Sandrilyonaify 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I wouldn't want someone else finishing it, it won't be canon. But I wouldn't mind if some short recap was left by George about how he sees it end. So at least we would know what he was thinking.

  • @marcopolo2418
    @marcopolo2418 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We should make a new rule. No Film/Show adaptations until the Stories are fully complete. Lol

  • @abelabner
    @abelabner 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    I would want to see it finished by a A-list writer using GRRM's notes and outlines written in a style that clone's his writing style.

  • @sassquatch212
    @sassquatch212 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I’ve seen people say that his blog post from the 11th of march this year is a cryptic tease that he’s done with winds or is nearly done.
    It has the blue flower that connects to Jon, the title is Words Of Wisdom (WoW) and the quote talks of dreams.
    I don’t think I believe it but it’s interesting.

  • @happybee7725
    @happybee7725 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone got a link or the title to the interview at the very beginning of this video?

  • @The79thElement
    @The79thElement 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I can’t see him ever finishing it purely because the HBO series happened. I agree with the Brandon Sanderson idea because of the excellent job he did with WoT. It has to be remembered that Robert Jordan wrote copious amounts of notes. The same would have to be true for A Dream of Spring or it wouldn’t work. I believe the HBO series is King Kong on GGRM’s back. I really don’t think he knows how to end it and is scared of writing it because it will be micro analysed more than enjoyed. Another possibility is maybe it is written to be published posthumously sometime in the future…

  • @johnthomas4868
    @johnthomas4868 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I hope he does have a chance to finish: I always think about the death of Robert Jordan, and the fact that he did not finish the final book in the Wheel of Time series and, while there were notes and a skeleton draft that were used to finish the series, I’ve always wondered if Jordan would think the story ended as he wished. I hope GRRM can do it, but it doesn’t look good 😢

  • @mehhh3969
    @mehhh3969 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have never read the books but I honesty think he is doing both books and plans to release them close to one another even if it's the last things he does

  • @marcospaulotome506
    @marcospaulotome506 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    I do believe he has tons of notes and also some third party lore keepers like Elio and Linda. If tragedy occurs, I think I would want someone like Patrick Rothfuss to use his notes and work together with people like Elio and Linda, who know the directions he intended to go with his story, in order to bestow the series with a worthy ending.
    Won't feel the same as getting it by Martin himself but it would be some consolation ...

    • @lytalo
      @lytalo 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Rothfuss hasn’t finished his own book series either. May never.

    • @marcospaulotome506
      @marcospaulotome506 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Kkkkkkkkkk I thought of this while writing this coment but well .... 🤷‍♂️
      He's younger than Martin and I think their writing styles are similar, so he was my firt thought.

    • @Finians_Mancave
      @Finians_Mancave 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@marcospaulotome506 Rothfuss is the last person on the planet to entrust with finishing a book. The second book of his "planned trilogy" was published in Mar 2011. So that's 13 years and counting on the final book. His own editor let out her frustrations in a public forum by admitting that (as of mid 2020) she had not seen a single word of the book.

    • @jenbalevre
      @jenbalevre 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No...please...Patrick Rothfuss would be a great choice but he takes wayyyy too long to finish his own books. He wouldnt have Wow finished by the time hes dead and would have to pass it on to someone else as well. Is that too harsh?

  • @tinahs8269
    @tinahs8269 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    What about Elio Garcia and Linda Antonsson, the co authors of the World of Ice and Fire. Have either of them shown interest in picking up this torch?

    • @mirarstudios
      @mirarstudios 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They would be my top picks

  • @user-rc7rl4yo2m
    @user-rc7rl4yo2m 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If needed the books should be finished by Steven Erikson or Daniel Abraham based on notes and 75% of book 6 already written. In that case I think book 6 will be shorten and quickly finished with aprox. 100 new pages and we will see the same GRRM quality.

  • @immortaljanus
    @immortaljanus 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I just hope I'm going to live long enough to read the ending...

  • @JPMitreN
    @JPMitreN 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wonder if he’ll ever write a book about what happens after the last 2 pending books?

  • @stevemarra4459
    @stevemarra4459 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Without sounding vulgar he is clearly drawing this out until he passes then he will go down in history and never be forgotten.

    • @TheReaLcatniP
      @TheReaLcatniP 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think he'll be forgotten within a decade after his death if he doesn't finish ASOIAF. Which, let's face it, he never will.

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Nah. His books, and now shows have had too much of an impact on media and pop culture at this point. He will be remembered for a long time.

    • @TheReaLcatniP
      @TheReaLcatniP 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TalkingThrones About a decade, for sure. Aside from ASOIAF, not many people know about his other work. As a former fan of his, I don't care about his writing if it doesn't involve Westeros. And it seems he no longer cares, either.

  • @jordanmccartney9755
    @jordanmccartney9755 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Here's a thought: what if the reason winds of winter is taking so long because it's already finished and he's working on a dream of spring? Like maybe trying to get a head start be fore he releases it. Or is completeing it.

  • @rawrisiloveuindinify
    @rawrisiloveuindinify 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think it’s ridiculous that much like he wrote how Argon didn’t put a contingency plan for continuing his line George himself has no contingency plan for the story to be finished

  • @saberserpent1134
    @saberserpent1134 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    Kafka wrote many incomplete works, most notably, "The Castle", that literally ends mid-sentence.
    That said, comparing 19th century dystopian, surrealism that created it's own genre ("Kafka-esque") to a fantasy writer isn't really fair.
    I'm sure George has trials and tribulations like all of us, but Kafka was a broken, frail, mentally-ill victim of parental abuse, whom died in his 40's.
    Kafka's final instructions included having all his works, complete amd incomplete, burned. If not for his singular, loyal friend Max Brode, realizing the value of the insights in his work, that genre of surrealism/dystopia wouldn't exist.
    Let's hope George has such loyal friends, otherwise, I don't think he's going to release either book in his lifetime. Other than pleasing eager fans, it's kind of a lose-lose situation for him, and the show definitely played a part in fans clamoring for a different ending, when for all we know, those "broad strokes" would be the series ending, with Bran on the throne.
    There's no scenario where he makes the entire fanbase happy, and he probably feels it's best to just sit on what he has, and release it posthumously. Finished or not, I don't think he plans to "be around" to see whether fans accept his vision for ending ASOIAF.

  • @loveless4304
    @loveless4304 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    You say Martin doesn't have kids of his own as if children inherit their parents' talent. Are there any great writer's or musician's kids who became great themselves or they just parasitize on their parents legacy?

  • @tezz2698
    @tezz2698 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm not optimistic, but it is possible that he's planning on finishing Dream of Spring before releasing Winds of Winter in order to avoid another long break between the two books.

  • @kdr3619
    @kdr3619 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Lmao!
    MeUndies!!
    Perhaps the perfect plug considering the news here.

  • @mazarescastido1439
    @mazarescastido1439 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Considering Sanderson's speed, if they decide to work together, the books will be finished within the next 4 years

  • @user-dh3ez1ky7i
    @user-dh3ez1ky7i 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Dany goes mad queen, bran turns into a king/surveillance system.
    The end

  • @jodysheridan604
    @jodysheridan604 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I don't believe GRRM will finish Winter or Spring and I can only hope he will share his ending thoughts for both novels to his research assistants or Ty Franks, to finish the story.
    Though I have accepted the disappointment of never knowing where the storylines will end.

  • @rubaiyattrina183
    @rubaiyattrina183 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really really really wish, hope & pray that he writes a book on the Valerian empire as a prequel of ASOIAF.

  • @joetrudeau9033
    @joetrudeau9033 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    12 years ago he said he wasn’t going to finish them as he no longer felt it! I hope that changes and he can get them done!

    • @carolbriscoe9337
      @carolbriscoe9337 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think he spoke truth then, and that's why he has not finished Winds of Winter. Plus, he had created to many characters. There's probably no way to pull all the threads together in only 2 books. Dany hasn't even reached Westeros as yet!

    • @the_underearth6419
      @the_underearth6419 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is really, really, really hard to finish writing a big project if you just don't care anymore. That said, maybe WoW and DoS are both already finished and he'll do a Blackstar. It's one or the other at this point.

  • @jannisschaefer5776
    @jannisschaefer5776 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've been waiting for this announcement for so long. I just had a feeling it was coming.

  • @blitzkrieg2928
    @blitzkrieg2928 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Clearly Dan and DB Weiss are the best choice, surely Ol' Georgie would finish his books from the afterlife if they were writing his ending in text format this time

  • @kateevans2976
    @kateevans2976 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Winter ain't ever coming

  • @teenprez
    @teenprez 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don’t want another author to finish ASOIAF if George doesn’t want that. It’s still a masterpiece as an unfinished story, and we’ll always have fanfic endings.

  • @12jalbrandao
    @12jalbrandao 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone have a good Brandon Sanderson book to recommend? Tryied reading mistborn, not liked it very much.

  • @admireinspire
    @admireinspire 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'd just like to know how much collaboration and out sourcing he's used so far. If he's gotten to this point and recieved considerable help I think his over arching idea and oversight may be enough to steer us to a satisfactory conclusion even at the hands of another. If this is all him 100% I struggle to see it being done right without him.

  • @JonRowlison
    @JonRowlison 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Anyone but Dan and Dave" would be a great answer. I bet Brandon Sanderson would do it... 😃

  • @iammorpblorp4818
    @iammorpblorp4818 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like he’s plying us. He has WoW finished, and is working on ADOS and when he finishes it he will release them at the same time like “and you all doubted me” (coming from someone who is very delulu)

  • @Cakebossmom2
    @Cakebossmom2 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    The community will just have to band together to finish the series when he is gone. Or he has secretly been working on both and wont have them released till he is gone. That way he doesn’t have to face any backlash or criticisms
    .

    • @hawk66100
      @hawk66100 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      What? With the power of friendship?

    • @faustsiftar7683
      @faustsiftar7683 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      People will not be able to agree on anything lol. If anything he should ask someone he trusts to write it

    • @Cakebossmom2
      @Cakebossmom2 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Fair enough. 😂

  • @Forestwidow
    @Forestwidow 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    ironic that he talks about christopher, now that we have that dreaded awful amazon series.... utter garbage

    • @aryaisthebest6540
      @aryaisthebest6540 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      hopefully something better comes along in middle earth

    • @MesaperProductions
      @MesaperProductions 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      was just thinking that as well

  • @cris-99
    @cris-99 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    All I want is a new tv series 50-100 years after the events of game of thrones.. I wanna see what the future looks like and the stories that could be told

    • @glen603
      @glen603 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Was really hoping for a West of Westeros series

  • @amlord3826
    @amlord3826 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He hasnt seen these characters in over a decade. He doesnt miss them.
    Plus the story has ended even if it isnt GRRM's ending

  • @GailGurman
    @GailGurman 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I wish he would designate someone to take over A Song of Ice and Fire after he dies. That's what Marion Zimmer Bradley did with her Darkover Series. As a fan of the 1632/Ring of Fire series, I was sad when Eric Flint died, but fortunately he has Paula Goodlett and Gorg Huff to take over. I'd like to see the same thing happen with ASIF.

  • @bobertwithar
    @bobertwithar 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ive said for a long time that this series was never ment to be finished. ..George has already included enough info over the years that we can come up with our own endings...

  • @henrikjakobsson9150
    @henrikjakobsson9150 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Douglas Adams: Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy´s sixth and last chapter: And another thing, was written by Eoin Colfer based on Douglas scribblings. It is really good!!

  • @clevereduardosilva2346
    @clevereduardosilva2346 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I used to be worried that George might not be able to finish the books before he died. I no longer think like that. I am instead worried that I m the one who will not be alive.

  • @happybee7725
    @happybee7725 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Of course I want to see George finish it but if that became impossible I would still read it if someone else finish it because I’m confident George has taken this in to account and has at very least a rough outline of where the story’s supposed to go and how it’s supposed to end. I feel like his publishers would insist on that. I would if I were them.

  • @RavenG.est95
    @RavenG.est95 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My opinion, if you dont finish your series, it gives others the opportunity to.

  • @tomaitoe
    @tomaitoe 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Someone else has already finished his story, D&D. I feel GRRM has accepted this.

  • @booknerdlover3675
    @booknerdlover3675 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Omg the segue into the MeUndies was hilarious lol

  • @ridendurance
    @ridendurance 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If ASOIF is never finished it would be like Tolkien stopped halfway through the Return of The King. It feels like a true tragedy.

  • @Maerahn
    @Maerahn 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    George, my dude... when we made all of those 'Robert Jordan' asides, we were JUST KIDDING! Please don't make that a plan!

  • @lordgiantsbane
    @lordgiantsbane 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I could see his partner in crime finishing them. I can’t remember his name off the top of my head but he modded an interview with George last year for Penguin RandomHouse when the Rise of the Dragons released.

  • @user-mz8tg9fv8y
    @user-mz8tg9fv8y 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He said he wants a book with an ending but the truth is, that the got will never end, there will be always wars for power, always characters whom have a journey in his world of history, history does not stop, it keeps going and changing, familys can die but not a world of multiple characters

  • @mickdarcy3063
    @mickdarcy3063 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I do think a cabal of the writers who have worked on the Wild Card series could provide a satisfactory conclusion, given it is based on Martin's notes and outlines.

  • @Crystalhargens_
    @Crystalhargens_ 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thanks for the update as well as always

  • @TheManCaveYTChannel
    @TheManCaveYTChannel 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a Berserk manga reader....I know this feeling all too well :(

  • @dragonature1233
    @dragonature1233 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    IN MY OPINION, I believe that Brandon Sanderson would be one of the best people who can finish the series well. Brandon Sanderson is the one who finished off the wheel of time series, and although I haven't read that series (I plan to) I heard the ending that he wrote after the authors passing was very enjoyable. Brandon Sanderson also has his own books (haven't read them, but hear really good things about them) and from what I understand is doing very well.

  • @phoenixmilburn8759
    @phoenixmilburn8759 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    At this point I just hope Winds get released and the beginnings of Dream get written say like the first Hundred or so pages and he just tells his friends and people he has co written with in the past the ending and how he wants to to go and let them write the last book in his honor

  • @phillimoo4013
    @phillimoo4013 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We need some to finish this story

  • @linzi9909
    @linzi9909 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Elio and Linda? I suspect they know the ending already