3D Printing WIRE with Fraunhofer
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- WIRE. 3D Printing actual WIRE. This is SO COOL.
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My elderly mother wandered past the computer as this was playing and said, "Tell them to 3d print a comb". Moms, gotta love 'em.
That's actually really challenging to print a durable fine-toothed comb. She knows what she's talking about!
My father worked at BASF in his early early year in the 70's and we still use the mold injected combs they've done that time
@@BrazenRain stack the teeth on the Z axis in multiple layers. Boom, comb
@@religionisapoison2413 I’m not a 3D printer guy yet but I’m trying to visualize this not being segmented and yanky on the hair.
@@Xadoras I do it the REAL old fashioned way, but with a modern and sustainable twist! I breed tortoises from the egg and wait for them to die naturally. We then make as many combs and guitar picks and glasses frames as possible using 3D aided AI slicing for absolute efficiency for each set of orders. We measure the tortoises as they grow to predict their ultimate shape so as to not waste time in filling orders. We foresee a high demand at a great price. Orders begin manufacture and shipping between 2060-2120. In the mean time we are hoping to grow tortoises without brains or feelings or legs as to speed the process along in hopes that moral dilemma will be a thing of the past in the near future. Because our Tortoises only eat lettuce and crap like that we suspect an ordinary tortoise comb will only cost the consumer $129,000 adjusted for foreseeable inflation. Order now! For your grand children! Or your headstone.
For those interested Fraunhofer is what's called a think tank in the US. But there is more to it, they develop (almost) industrial usuable technologies and not only ideas. There are eighty science locations all over Germany. With researches in Medicine, Informatics, Physics, Chemistry and Biology. The most known invention by the Fraunhofer Gesellschaft is the mp3 Format.
Other notable inventions are the air bag as well as the white LED (the one that isn't RGB based).
Also they invented a revolutionary kind of telescope
Reportedly inferior to Bell Labs's Perceptual Audio Coding (which came first)
@@smorrow Looks like it ended up being chucked into Mpeg2 AAC so it still exists.
I've always hoped that 3D printers could one day print in place motors or any non-microchip electronics, this is one step closer to that dream. So hyped.
Hi Fabian here, I actually started working on this with a printed motor :D
@@DecobirdZivo 3d printed 3d printer? I'm honestly thinking this is going to be amazing for metal parts that need to be heated.
@@IM2awsme Hangprinter would be a good starting point for that as you don't need to make the rails
THIS is what e3d's toolchanger was born to do, makes me happy to see their motion system being put to work.
Just imagine, what weird ideas one could realise with this system. You could combina printing, wiring, pick-and-place, and so much more, that i cant even think about in one machine. Honestly, i think this maybe the closest thing to the star-trek-style matter printing, where you push one button an the mache creates something complex
@@p3chv0gel22 that was basically their idea! Unfortunately a lot of people look at it and review it as if it's just another 3d printer but that's just one of its near infinite functions. So much potential!
@@p3chv0gel22 The first thing to come to my mind was planar magnetic speakers.
@@p3chv0gel22 You could have a little camera tool for QA during the process. I dunno, maybe there are some things that could be helpful for. I mean Spaghetti Detective is kind of a form of that already.
@@p3chv0gel22 You could paint parts
This is the kind of thing to watch. I knew this was coming and can't wait to see what will be in another 50-100 years. Physicists should start getting involved in 3D-Printing.
An actual leap forward in what's possible with 3D printing. Very exciting.
This is impressive but I’m really impressed with the fact that this was shot on a GoPro. You really don’t need a expensive/big camera to get the job done. You just need some good audio and your good to go!
This is awesome tech. Also, I was just watching the print-in-place Fighter Jet simulator in the background.
This is a super idea. There are so many applications for this. Now we need an affordable machine for this.
When you google for expansion of the fff processs... Youll find my first paper on this topic. There i explained an approach to integrate wires with any normal printer.
The head displayed in the video is quite more complex and just our first prototype. I hope that we can get a lot closer to market read model in 2023.
@@DecobirdZivo Thanks
Embedding wire opens many opportunities, yet softening PLA is specially something you can do with pretty much anything that can produce some mild heat. I mean, just leave it on the sun for a while, and the thing will readily fold on your broken finger. Tell me it can do that silly hair, even that would be more interesting. Printing speakers and random coils, with some tweaking even whole multilayer circuit boards at home, finally turning the misnomer PCB into a proper descriptive acronym, now that's way more exciting.
JOEL!! This is amazingly cool! Really excited to learn more of this and the tech behind it. SO COOL! Not just amazing tech but how it can be used is tremendous as well!
This is revolutionary! Just think about all the possibilities! No more hot beds or heated chambers for printing higher temperature polymers like ABS! Just heat up the wire to the perfect temperature to keep your print from warping! You could add carbon fiber or steel wire for strength or for incorporating magnetic capabilities into your print! For all you makers who print prosthetics, you could have the steel or carbon fibers embedded into the joints for motor controls! Wow, my mind is exploding with ideas! Love it!
You could print the most awesome stealthburner hotends with that printer
All the wiring for klicky probe, led and fans embedded in the printed part, no need for soldering anything just place the LEDs magnets and fans
Using an E3D Toolchanger, glad to see more setups using a toolchanger like that
Very cool, I'm also hoping there's coverage of the device labeled "Metrom" in the background, the 6DOF build plate looks wild!
Joel what would be even better would be a semi generic printed scaffold printed flat with rising half pyramids(or overall measurements for patient taken) to then heat up and mold around a broken limb, etc. Use a uv setting quick glue inside and along edges(2 piece mold) to make a bonded custom molded and recyclable cast. Like kerfing for subboxes and such..but for a more contoured surface..use those good math algorithms. Allows a softer breathing layer to be added between cast and skin to cut down moisture and itching...also less time in layup process
It feels like just a few years ago, 3D printing as a manufacturing technique was a silly idea. This is the kind of value add that is needed to bring it mainstream. Being able to all of the manufacturing steps in one go will be huge! Literally. These things are going to be the size of industrial CNC machines :D
Joel is the world wilde ambassador of thec3D printing industry. If you got something new you need Joel show it to the world.
This is one of the biggest pluses to the FDM-style of manufacturing. SLA gets detail, FDM gets multi-material, jet printing (I'm blanking on the term) gets color. Some things are better additive, some are better subtractive. First one to demonstrate putting everything together as one wins the prize.
Hey, don't forget formative. (Also, printing is a good way to get the dies, or even the machines, to _do_ formative manufacturing.)
This is incredible, we are well on the way to the 4th industrial revolution and this is the early stages of the democratisation of electronic manufacturing
This is a huge leap forward.
Electrical engineers and EE students will have a field day with this, because no need to wait for days for our PCBs to be delivered to our home from dedicated PCB factories, or using harsh chemicals to etch circuit boards!
thanks for always showing new technology in the additive manufacturing world! it makes me excited for the future of it
At risk of being contradictory, this is both cutting edge and 'last gen' depending on what format and printing tech you favor. For ADM with filament, total game changer. Resin in engineering grade, on the other hand, they've had formulas with conductive elements that can be energized via the actual design of the part for quite the while and all you do is hook up a lead. That said, having dual material conductive filament available to the general public will pay huge dividends to the maker space and prototyping crowd, and it's amazing to even napkin-math ideas for what you could do with it.
Fabian here. The resins you mentioned don't reach the conductivity of solid copper. Those materials are super for 3d pcbs but the conductive paths can only be build on the outside of the part. Current approaches of printed electronics aren't able to conduct higher powers or to be used in bigger part. Regarding the resistance to cost ratio nothing beats copper wires.
I know the other printing processes quite well. Our approach is ment for automated cable management in car manufacturing for example
@@DecobirdZivo I happen to work with graphene for resin printing among other uses, and I can certainly tell you that you can concentrate it via pathing design internally to a component and it will print as such. I don't doubt that getting repeatability with filament and solid core copper is more effective at encapsulating more typical uses (certainly of larger scale!), but resin's various formula can range almost as much as filament for application, and now there's prosthetic grade stuff that's very fun to use. Or if you don't mind the extra work, running copper into pre-channeled voids, but where's the fun in that.
Not saying one is better than the other necessarily, as all processes offer advantages over the other naturally, but for me and my projects, I'm of the resin-supporting crowd for its inherent speed and resolution.
@@C-M-E I'm already looking for new materials to incorporate with our print head. Next stops are 2 component TPEs and as you mentioned, resins. The idea would be to dispense the resin onto the wire an cure it with a focused UV spot. As our printhead always orientates according to the print direction, this should be a no brainer setup.
@@DecobirdZivo Yes, TPEs with incorporated copper should be huge for you and totally worth pursuing! If you can get that into the hands of the medical and bioengineering folks, you won't have any problems with funding more applications/research. 👍
Definitely this is gonna be a game changer. Is the piece of the puzzle that AM needs. Might be this guy the next Chuck Hull with a nice rainbow hair?😂
A print in place speaker is really impressive. I wonder how long until we will have a print in place motor?
man this channel somehow blows my mind every upload... 😲😄
This is revolutionary
This is so freaking incredible! It reminds me of the intro to Westworld where they show various things being 3D printed.
Epic I can't wait for an Affordable MAX Desktop Model
Need a double thumb symbol for this. Thanks Joel for such cool material
Stylist: "What color would you like me to dye your hair?"
Fabian: "Yes."
30 yrs ago i predicted that we would eventually come to the point where we could print entirely solid state devices, what i mean by that is that we could print an entire device circuits, wires, etc in once single piece and entire device fully made without the need for multiple component assembly and i think we are slowly getting closer to that future.
This is a LONG way from that. The scale and variety of materials needed to accomplish that are several orders of magnitude hotter and smaller.
Holy smoke!!! this is cool !
Pretty neat tech. Looked like an E3D tool changer in their machine, if I'm not mistaken. I've actually done forming with PLA before just using boiling water. It's relatively easy to do and gets you those oddball shapes without sacrificing your print orientation. Joel, when are you getting the XL?
Hi Fabian here. The neat thing is, that with integrated heating wires you can define the areas you want to soften. It's like a switchable solid joint. This is pretty important for printed orthetics as you only want to adapt the form fit and keep your planned geometry for supporting the patient
@@DecobirdZivo Ah, yes. You could run individual circuits to heat only certain areas. Very good point.
@@grantdeisig1360 thats the idea. Have you seen shape memory polymers? Those work due to an heat stimuli. We can actuate only certain areas of a bigger shape memory polymer structure and thus creating printed robotics
@@DecobirdZivo Yes I have. One thing I didn't quite follow in Joel's interview was how the wire was being printed? I'm assuming the wire is being unspun from a roll of wire and then laid down on the printed plastic, but how does the wire stay in place where you lay it down at without the memory of the wire wanting to re-shape itself? Is it actually melting into the print itself?
We feed the wire in a narrow angle onto the part and beneath a polymer Extrusion nozzle. So we are extruding a polymer encapsulation around the wire, which bonds with the surface material
Very cool!
Bravo Fraunhofer :) When we will be in the moment when our life saving forces could print pavulone on the accident scene? ;)
This is some seriously awesome tech!
okay. wtf is in the background and why are they moving the bed instead of the nozzle?
That is this thing here: th-cam.com/video/qDdMOWXHCxg/w-d-xo.html
First! I just want to let you know that I love your videos :)
Hey Joel, remember I said I wanted a Replicator like in StartTrek? Looks like we are getting very close.
Was just about to ask about lights in prints. Then he mentions optical wire printing. Exciting times we live in.
Happy Holidays
Very cool technology. Also, can't help but notice the metrom running in the background. Formnext must have been awesome!!!
So glad to see Jackscepticeye doing what he loves.
Wow, this is amazing. Take my money!
For many years Fraunhofer Institut provided the MP3 codec to Microsoft windows .
This is pretty cool. It's not often I see a nexus of clustered inventions and creativity in one place!
I love that you make these kinds of videos. I know it will be a long time before something like this makes it into the home setting. But I love seeing where the tech is going.
Ooooooh... this would be FANTASTIC for ham radio enthusiasts to have!!!
The Metrom articulating print bed is awesome in the background, but this is really mind blowing tech.
Very interesting. Adding the polymer after laying the wire was interesting but the way the wire lays down makes me wonder if it’s heated?
How does it flow so smoothly thru turns and stay flat?
The wire is not heated. We extrude a polymer encapsulation over the down layed wire und fixating it in that manner.
This way there is no mechanical stress on the wire, which is important for sensor wires.
@@itsnotthat_ sorry i dont quite understand, what do you mean by constant flow profile?
basicly we extrude wiht a thicker line with a larger layer height. For complete integration within a part, we print cavities, where the wire gets embedded, flush with the current layer.
Very impressive. If they could combine it with non-planar printing they could embed wiring in to a wide range of electronics enclosures.
Hi fabian here. We actually already print non planar. Next year, we will bring the print had to a robot arm system for full range of movements.
The idea you mentioned will be our first industrial use case.
This is awesome!
That metros printer in the background looks interesting 😊
If you print the wires, then you can pick and place chips and solder the chips to the wire. It's like China on your desktop.
I'm sorry, I have a mental disconnect listening to such an intelligent young Man with the Multicolor hair.
But that is some really progressive stuff. Was pondering it in my own head. Nice to see it out there. I am an acoustic fan, and have enjoyed some really interesting things with sound. A long over due project could benefit from this tech. The resolution was the only detail missing. How about 3D printed phone cases with built in QI charging functions? I have others but they are private.
I wonder if the process can handle thin steel wire. Other questions: can it stop and start in the middle of a print (cutting the wire)? Does the "wire" need to be still or could you also embed stuff like aramid fibers? Is the tool head design open source or is it going to be patented and locked away for 20 years or so?
We can print with any continuous fibre like material. Currently we focus on different metal wires for functional applications.
And yes, the print heade can automaticly cut the wire and place multiple tracks completly autonom.
The print head you see in the video is our first prototype, which we signed for a patent this year, sorry for that ^^
When you google expansion of the fff process... You'll find my first paper on this topic, where i explained an approach which can ve done on any normal printer
@@DecobirdZivo Hi what about slicer software?Will be this technology, possible to recreate for non commercial use, by DIY community?
@@danielreborn4707 we developed a post slicing process, where we take a planned wire path from CAD and write the required code in the already sliced gcode file.
We started with unmodified printers. You find details in my paper: expansion of the fff process. We're evaluating to release these work in an open source manner, but this will take some time.
The printer behind them doing amazing 5 axes stuff…
That’s wild. I want one!
Fabian here. Maybe in 2023 ;)
The plan is to have one of my XL heads do this. This is too cool.
An audio filter could have lowered the pitch back down for your voice and removed the slight noise.
Great job! But if they are good they should do more,,, like printing cheapsat or mix metal with electronics printing and make full teenagers vertical takeoff board!!!!!
This is how you 3d print circuit boards
Hey, I have a question, is there any good 3d printer similar to p1p, since it doesnt come out before christmas and x1 arent available till February. Me and my dad want to get one but we want to get it for christmas and we dont know if we should look for a different one or just wait till January, but it was supposed to be a christmas gift
I can imagine Bionic robots or body parts for humans and animals. Soon going to be a reality.
Curious about the embedding wire in PLA in order to heat it and form it... seems like an extremely overcomplicated way to replace a heat gun or like, warm water
Metrom stealing the show back there!
I need a 5 or 7 axis one of these 👀 imagine the love child between this and the DMG Mori LaserTec 65 👀
Also, Magna Motors, the OEM for Tesla, tensions the wire. I have some ideas that are not inexpensive, but it's interesting to think about.
Hi, in 2023 we try to bring this print haed onto robot arms for 5-7 Axis applications. Maybe next Formenxt we have already something to show.
@@DecobirdZivo If you want someone to Beta test this, I am a CNC machinist and used to work at an ABB integrator, complex tool paths come naturally to me. The nice thing about that, is 5-7 is complex, but not undoable. Some of the Swiss lathes are crazy with more than 13 axis and different coordinate systems, not THAT is a lot going on.
I expect the hardest part with much of this is the G-Code generation, aka CAM/Slicing. Please don't use steppers, servos or nothing. Robotic arms need precision. I would probably look into seeing if you can work with Autodesk PowerMill because their complex toolpath generation is fantastic. The tool head is definitely a challenge but the CAM I think is a bigger challenge.
So, in the near future it could be possible to print a electric motor, wow
Are there any articles about the process online? It would be good to see if they can start/stop the wire extrusion during printing as well as being able to connect wires together. Otherwise it seems a bit limited to things like coils where they can print all the electronic wire after the rest of the printing it done.
Hi Fabian here. The paper for this print head is on the way. Formnext was actually or first public presentation. When you search for "expansion of the fff process" youll find my first paper on wire embedding processes.
With the new printhead we can control both, the wire and the filament feed. Therefore we can print with only polymer, with embedded wires or just laying the bare wire. We can place multiple wire segments in one print and also print through multile layers. We are also working on contact methods. Currently we use silver inks for interconnections.
@@DecobirdZivo how does the interlayer connection work if you coat the wire with a polymer to adhere it to the substrate? Do you stop the polymer feed at the ends then go with a silver ink nozzle at that point? Do you use silver inks that require sintering or non-sintering? Thanks so much for your work! It would be amazing if this was a product, I would buy one instantly. Do you have any plans for open source as well? Thank you!
@@gedr7664 This is a really new topic in our department, and the most parts I developed on my own, so give us a litte time with the release. The prototype you see in this video was build this february.
And you are correct, we can stop the polymer feed to prepare contact areas. Currently we use silver inks that require a sintering process, which is also planned to be done within the printing process. We also worked on solid contact elements, but only in really specific use cases. Create reliable, automated contacts also for embedded pcbs, is the next big task for us
@@DecobirdZivo thank you for your reply, I really appreciate it. Definitely contacts are the way to go. I was wondering if you had success sintering the silver ink with the brass nozzle? or perhaps a toolchanger head which is a heater flat metal surface that is brought over the deposited silver ink? What do you think? I was working on something similar but got covid so didn't have time to test if this type of sintering will work
@@gedr7664 you would damage the path you placed before, when you try to get in physical contact. Also no way the brass nozzle would stay clean. We are working on an inductive heating tool head
Printed motor is where it's at, I suspect.
Very interesting stuff! How is the g-code prepared? Is there something publicly out there that one could use?
Hi Fabian here. We developed a post processing for the wire embedding, which takes a 3D path from CAD and places the needed lines into a prepared gcode file. Therefore we are fully open on the slicer we are using. The topic is really new and what you see in the video is our first prototype. We'll release a paper on the path planning in january and maybe some mor details in an open source approach.
@@DecobirdZivo thanks for the info! It's a very interesting project! Looking forward to seeing more of it! Is there any other place to get updates outside of the frauenhofer website?
@@TurboSunShine unfortunately i'm not a big content creator and am really thankfull, that joel picked us up. I'll try to get more informations out there, but the first place me be researchgate to follow our publications.
@@DecobirdZivo Thanks for the info! I have been working on a few things related to this behind the scenes, and i think it would be very interestng to make a full video on this subject. Would you/the project be interested in colaborating in some way in the future? Both engeneering wise, but also form a content creation point of view.
as a hoby DIYer... I WANT ONE!!
Very exciting. I do hope they do something more exciting with it than a dinky little plastic speaker though. Obviously there is a lot of development to go and this is early days, but at the moment it just looks like an even less serviceable tinny sounding little speaker.
The speaker is our first example for a fully automated manufacturing processes of end use consumer electronics. Im a bit sad, that i could only show the driver part at the formnext, which is not the complete speaker, we're printing. The finished product will look and sound better.
But for this early stage, the printed driver is as loud and clear as a comparable, conventional manufactured speaker driver.
@@DecobirdZivo sounds cool mate. Ill keep my eye out for your developments. Im just a fan of the phrase ‘there is no replacement for displacement’ which is as true for speakers as it is car engines. This is not a criticism of your process; that is exciting, but im against the trend for small speakers plus sub (or small speakers in general); it does not produce as coherent sound as a full range multiway speaker.
being a diyer at heart; im very much a proponent of the right to repair movement and anything that makes that more difficult for the end user is a bad thing in my book. It cant get much more difficult to repair than having the entire thing encapsulated in plastic and manufactured by a hard to access technology.
Perhaps i have misunderstood, but it would seem this tech may be good for manufactures, but not necessarily for consumers.
Perhaps make the driver from polypropylene next time and thinner walls. I would expect PP or PC to provide a more pistonic behaviour than typical 3d printing materials. It is also a better dielectric and perhaps only bettered by hi-end filaments like PEEK/PEKK in that area.
Again, keep it up!! Ill be watching this space. I guess its a double edged sword.
Meanwhile, in the background, a giant 5 axis printer casually doing its thing.
Embedded NFC tag on 3D printed parts, really good for checking authenticity 🚀
this is actually one of the use-cases we were asked for by a bigger manufacturer of individual FDM parts.
It will add complexity also for complete automation and mass production but not impossible, because the nfc chip needs to be attached to the antenna. But it can also be done by adding the chip mid print when the printed antenna is laid out.
I admit I also got distracted by that printer with a bed on a flight simulator platform.
would love to see this product on the iss for r&d in microgravity
Do you have a contact for us? :)
@@DecobirdZivo haha I wish I had that sort of importance
Dat Metrom in da back doe.
You can print motors with this
Maybe they can 3D print a better table for Pooch, too. :)
*looking at the metrom booth*
Dear God, what is happening in there?
Aroura Borealis
😂 same here…
Hmm this sounds very much like we will get even more throw away electronics with this stuff.
no worries. Recycling concepts are already in the planning phase. In most cases the wire paths can be separeted by an overheating electrical impuls. They are simply pulled out of the part
There is a printable, Multilayer PCB !
working to get there. Currently looking into contact methods for SMD parts
can it print pcb?
you could make an antenna where the wire is the exact shape of the waveform.
OR a motor's rotor with the exact shape of the magnetic field.
@@JeffreyKretzler Fabian here. Yes you can!
unfortunately i'm not a good enough electrical engineer to do this by myself.
🤯
So it's a standard nozzle with a wire feeder?
Currently kind of. What you shouldnt forget ist the Rotation Feature, which makes things a lot more complicated.
Also what you are seeing, is the first prototype. Of course we try to use as much standard components as possible at this stage
Aren't those more or less the same dudes that gave us .mp3? Give 'em an extra high five!
IT IS!!! We talked about that off camera. MPEG 2 audio layer 3!
Show this to the people who say "3D printing is just a gimmick"
Print Faraday cages into phone and tablet cases. Easy hardend electronics devices!
good idea, i will look into this
Will this be actually on the market or is it another patent which is just there for someone to never pickup?
patent is placed. What you see here is our first prototype. Fraunhofer isn't selling by itself. We rely on industry to bring this to the market. Besides our partners who are interested in the print head itself, we are already using this for many different use cases. The printer prints almost 24/7
🔥💕👍
Imagine printing a blaster/p*stol hand guard/what ever, whit a hand heater integrated, this is really sick and i hope it gets more atention
thank you very much. Heating applications are currently our first step for embedded functions in a market ready level
@@DecobirdZivo looks like i hit the nail head
I want to know whatever that printer was in the background at 5:14
It’s the metrom seamhex
was wire melted cupper?
the wire is not melted. We embedd a solid wire within a liquid polymer matrix. this way we can ensure the best possible quality of the wire material
When i get rich i will buy one.
I mean... it's not ACTUALLY 3d printed wire. It's more a 3d printed piece, combined with a pick-and-place method. I was somewhat expecting them to use like an some sort of filament that contained a large amount of conductive material.
That being said, I'm just being an asshole about wording of the product. It's still incredibly impressive and integrating an ACTUAL wire into the items will lead to much better conductive items than conductive filament which is basicly just plastic with metal dust inside.
Now imagine some sort of 3d printer with a tool changer, pick and place arm and you'll pretty much be able to print ANYTHING. Like god damn Tony Start designing his suits in the first Iron Man movie and just go "I like it, print it... paint it" DONE!
Conductive filament or even pastes are dimensions away from a solid copper wire. Regarding our costs and resistances we beat any other approach. But you are completly right, we call it printing with embedded wires.
And please belive me, one of our 4 print heads is already an pick and place head. The speaker you see was really manufactured in one go. Printed the structure, embedded the wire and picked and placed magnets, foils and metal parts in one single fabrication step.
@@DecobirdZivo Yeah I got that about the pick and place. It's visible in the video. Again, I'm just saying this product is even better than the title made it seem. You guys are on to something incredible!
@@DecobirdZivo lightning in a bottle
Multi material 3D printed haircut 😂
I want one, German engineering
tis is soo cooll but -what the deal with the printer in the back -moving its whole bed