Why You Can't Sell Your Organs!
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Selling organs is illegal almost everywhere in the world, but some people argue that it could save thousands of lives.
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When the "brokers" are getting 95% of the money, the word exploitation is radically understating things.
Well I don't think many people can just perform surgery on themselves to sell the kidney so it's pretty neccesary
What word would you use?
@@sauceman5498the Khazarian Mafia is what comes to mind
@@sauceman5498 underestimating
@@sauceman5498 SUPERDUPER exploitation? I dunno man I'm just spitballing here.
There's also the dead body trade industry where our dead bodies are donated for scientific research and then sold by private brokers for profit. Personally, I would rather have my family get paid per body part after my death and have the broker take a small fee for the process, but instead they collect the entire profit off of our donations.
I'm from the Netherlands and the main issue with organ donation was that many people, me included, simply never took the time to register. When the new law was enacted, a few people who were previously registered did decide to opt-out as a protest, but overall the amount of donors increased drastically nonetheless because of all those people who hadn't taken the time yet and now didn't need to. It was a success still
Depends on how you define "success"...
@@iam2strong considering the goal was to have more people become organ donors, more organ donors means success.
Prior to the law, we had about 6.9 million donors in 2019. With all the publicity around the law, this number went up to about 9 million in 2020. After the enactment of the law, this went up to about 14 million in 2021, of which about 10 million had actively given consent.
That's how I and my government would define success in this manner. But it sounds like you have a different definition, and I'm quite curious now so please do enlighten me
Playing devil's advocate here - if individual freedom and dignity is the higher priority, then wouldn't the success criteria be different from a pure utilitarian view?
For example, would it be ethical to automatically "opt in" every human being for 1000 different things from birth that are supposedly "good for society" (like kidney donation)?
@@iam2strong , the *utilitarian view* is the only reasonable view. *Freedom and dignity* are some of the tools to build an efficient society. They are not absolute unless making them absolute would be most efficient for the society ☝️
@@konstantin.v I doubt that's the consensus. So who should have that power to make the decision for everyone (and that includes many people who are not utilitarians), all in the name for a more "efficient society"?
@5:07 "Since the end of slavery" is incorrect.
The 13th Amendment did not end slavery, it made it conditional. Also see: why the USA has one of the world's largest prison populations.
If you want to have an episode on how prison labor, hurts everyone, that would be a good view. For example, the best paid jobs in the prison industrial complex for convicts pay as much as $18/hour for web developers. I have earned less per hour at jobs, doing web development as a free man in recent years.
Many of the fires fought in California are fought by prison labor as well, at hourly rates well below the federal minimum wage.
at best this is a huge indicator of how messed up the system is, at worst it furthers exploitation by making the poor further assist the rich for the illusion of a ticket out of being poor
Exactly, it's basically selling like trickle-down economics. The poor gets poorer and the middle class shrinks, it's just not the reality
I just want congratulate you on being brave enough to do a video about this. There is always value in discussing taboo topics. You guys are great!
What was the value of this "fence sitting: the musical" video?
If debt collectors pressuring debtors to sell their organs to pay debts, or the rich literally harvesting the poor for organs, doesn't sound dystopian enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you.
Even without them, today is dystopian enough.
Employees getting a salary for them to barely enough living.
A corporation slave.
The day it becomes legal is the day they start harvesting farms in India and China.
Oh you sweet summer child do they already have those
Oh you sweet summer child they already have those
Google Falun Gong in China.
Well in Pakistan they do exist
levels of delusion
Good work on saying "irrevocably"! That's a tough one...
Why yes everyone should do it, the next iPhone is just around the corner which has a tiny upgrade over the previous gen for more money!
You're literally feeding third-world children with every purchase.. why would you be so selfish as to have an excess of kidneys while children starve? #BUY #OBEY #QUESTIONNOTHING lol
Well, based on the idea of the right to bodily autonomy, the answer should be yes, but a big issue I could see with this is that people could be bullied into selling their kidneys to support their family. Imagine if you're a poor person in a third world country with a starving family and you're a match with someone who offers you a few yours of your salary for your kidney, you could be pressured into donating even if you're unwilling. Already happens with prostitution.
Prostitution is a millennium years old problem.
In the past they're shunned, but nowadays it's become kinda a joke.
I don't know is it supposed to be moral advancement or degeneration.
I'd be willing to sell my kidney if I can actually get the 80000$. I wouldn't sell it for 2000$ because it wouldn't help me with anything
donations rates would be up as people would be too lazy to opt out. Like how many subscriptions do you have that you don't use.
None?
I didn't know it was that bad
Like the movie Repomen they will start repo-ing organs.
The situation in the Netherlands was not explained correctly… before 2020 there was a group (of all people 18 years or older) of 50% to 60% not registered period… which means they automatically opt out by not being registered (thus not being a donor…).
At the same time, before 2020, 10% to 15% (of all people 18 years or older) were actively registered as not wanting to be a donor.
After 2020, this group of registered people that not want to be a donor doubled to approximately 30%, however, the rest was all registered as donor, so technically the amount of donors doubled (some with conditions…).
Conflating living donors with dead ones is mischievous imho. Dead people qol does not change and their health is not at risk.
Doctors, hospitals, and the organ handling organizations all make money, why can’t the most important person in the chain make a dime of profit? If a donor cannot be paid, neither should everyone else in the chain. All must be altruistic, not just the donor.
Free healthcare is the solution to that but the US is centuries behind the rest of the world on that matter
@@OlivierFRscooterI mean, in any (hopefully) healthcare system the surgeon who is performing the surgery will be paid for their labour, it's the question of whether money will come from the recipient or taxpayers/international organisation. OP believes that the surgeon should just work for free
It takes longer to heal up from a removed kidney than a few weeks, more like a few months. And you still won't 100% until maybe a year or longer.
Thank you so much for this, this is fascinating and definitely not something we hear often in economics conversations.
Though question. I lost my kidney to cancer at age 40. I’m both an example of why people should and why people shouldn’t. If my remaining kidney fails, people selling kidneys would mean more supply. But on the flip side, had I sold my kidney then got cancer in my remaining kidney, I’m in trouble
I mean, even in scenario 2 you would be in much less trouble. The kidney waiting list would be near 0
Imagine having the regeneration of Deadpool, you'll be rich selling your own organs.
or you could just save money instead of putting everything on a credit card
as some one who is part Iranian, I appreciate that you guys actually pronounced Iran correctly.
Its no I - RAN its E - RUN
It is whatever we say it is.
0:45 "irrevovocably" Gotta give props. I would not have attempted to pronounce "irrevocably" in an online video.
*Irrevocably
As long as selling an organ is worth ~$100,000, I’d be the 1st one on the list. As soon as it’s legal/accessible to everyone, it’ll be 1/100 of the same worth, and in that case many would decline except those in absolute poverty.
6:40 this is simpel, it is not true. 3,7 million more people are now on the donor list that is a huge success. And yes some people probably didn’t like it but sometimes to safe the life’s of a few million people we need to accept that some of us don’t like aging lives apaerntly. I am from the Netherlands btw. It was not a disaster.
As a Dutch resident, I did opted-out of organ donation, given that I do see it as a violation of concent. The way it is implemented here is Dutch nacionals receive a letter to opt in or out. Other residents like refugees are opted in straight away without informing or concent, independent of nacionality. It is like the Dutch want to not donate organs, but want to sneak their way to benefit from deceased vulnerable populations.
Is this for a living person or a dead one? Big difference in my book.
This is the not the episode I expected next.
America is sure having a hard time right now, if this is currently topical 😬
I am the owner of my organs but I cannot sell them? that dont sound like "freedom"
I wish they would make more episodes like this where its the ethics vs economics topic :D
This is a horrifying thought. Maybe we can just make everyone donors when they die and the money goes to whoever is in that person's will.
When I first saw this title I legitimately thought “this is wild” but honestly this video has changed my mind. People should not only be allowed but as a rule should be compensated for acts that benefit another. Selling an organ is not fundamentally different than selling your labor or your gametes you’re trading your bodily resources for money in either case. Compensate organ donors
It is wild. Fundamentally it not different but particularly it is. If your are talking about selling your health as a labour, do you know that in most European countries you're bound to take a vacation leave and you cannot easily give it up, precisely to remove incentive to sell time-off as labour.
@@OmateYayami what are you talking about? When you sell your labour any amount of it for any time you are selling a bodily resource. How’s that different from selling an organ
@@luisfilipe2023 Severity of impact on your health. You very rarely sell labour that costs you an organ for a day's worth of work. It's probably very illegal in most places in the world.
@@luisfilipe2023It's good to approach the topic but the question is still wild, when they quote people in favour of that saying "they would do something legal rather than stealing" ???? What a poor disguise from exploiting even more of the poorest people for the illusion of a ticket out of poverty, while benefiting the rich with as always money as the difference maker. The problem is not as simple as "my body my choice" because there is a fundamental imbalance in the starting conditions, from which some are always beneficiary, and some are always losing from it.
@@OlivierFRscooter how is exploitation if they’re being paid? Exploitation is what we have now with no compensation
Might want to look up China Uncensored on this topic.
Dystopian is not the word.
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China Uncensored is a propaganda channel. It's no different than getting chinese news from chinese state sponsored tv.
I am still traumatized by the corneas.
might want to look up a far-right falun gong cult propaganda channel that has dubious sources? why?
6:45 "In the Netherlands it was a disaster [...] organ donor rates actually dropped." No they did not! And your sources do not say that they did either. It says "With the new law to go into effect in 2020, the number of citizens refusing to donate broke records." With a handy link to show their source which says "A massive 87 percent of new registrations explicitly stated that the person does not want to be an organ donor." (26430 total registrations according to the second article). Of course there is going to be a spike of "no" when you make "yes" the default, that does not mean a failure.
Sure there was some backlash from people who did not feel like it should be the default "but 11,025 changed to "no" according to the second article. Which is about 0.05% of the population. And at the same time there were 6,511 (again according to the second article) that changed to yes. So by no stretch of the imagination can this be called a failure let alone a disaster.
As a side note in the Netherlands it takes literally less then 2 minutes to register your choice, and you can chose for each individual organ if you want to.
I'm in the process of donating a kidney to a stranger and I always thought that a good middle path might be to give money, but only for donation. Something like: the government will give a couple thousand dollars to a charity of your choice (from a set list of verified non-corrupt charities) if you donate a kidney.
I don't think that's any more of an incentive. If you're willing to donate your kidney to benefit others, then you'd already be donating your kidney
What does it even mean a "non-corrupt charity"? There are no official corrput charities because they are illegal methinks. All domestic charities are somewhat verified, if it's registered as a charity it already went some legal process.
@@OmateYayami, I think he means reputable and well established charities that have more than 90% of trust and records all kept in a transparent way😊
@@ChronoNewton fair enough but that's already official. I think 2nd governmental list is kinda redundant and weird. It's like admitting you have bad and good charities... Why keep the bad ones around? Not gonna happen. Especially if you name the other ones "corrupt".
In china we been harvesting them and sell it to the rich people or the ccp. Except that we harvest everything from them, and we didnt pay them anything.
I'm an organ donor by choice. Lots of people I know were against it because they used the excuse that a doctor would see my organ donor status and refuse to treat me just to harvest my organs.
I think to be fair and to increase the number of donors, people who are NOT organ donors cannot receive organs. There should be a time frame too just in case someone decides to become an organ donor the next day just because they were diagnosed last week of their failing organ.
While I love this in concept, I think this would be hard because MANY people who need organ donations can not be organ doners for the same reason. E.g. cancer.
However, the doctor thing is silly. All doctors I know say that they almost never even find out about someone's organ donation status until after they are deceased, as part of the death paperwork. I'm sure there's been a few horror cases, but I'm sceptical of how they would've treated those patients even without the organ donation factor.
Person dying from a chronic condition probably can't be an organ donor though, because other organs of them are affected as well, just probably not to the point of failing yet
It would have been nice if you had touched on womb rental as well. The thing being that most of the money doesn't reach the surrogate, and maybe how hard it is to find someone in places where it's prohibited to be financially compensated.
If I'm allowed to sell my time (labor), my knowledge (expertise), and use of my face & voice (likeness royalties), how it is it any different to sell a piece of my body? Manual labor jobs, military jobs, even professional contact sports like American football or wrestling, already do a fair trade on the physical bodies of workers. These jobs can ruin or even maim bodies permanently, yet people do them willfully. How is it any different to willfully sell a piece of my body? The "my body, my choice" argument used by pro-choice advocates *should* translate perfectly to the argument for someone to be able to sell their organs.
Title of this video has me cracking up! Selling our organs? It's getting pretty rough out there!
How would person hood prevent IVF . . Wouldn't that just make IVF more regulated
Revoke, revocable, irrevocable, irrevocably
No we should not be paid. That person who said its not bad because they are saving a life. Is twisting the fact that this falls primarily on people without financial stability thus preying on the vaulnrable. It also is most certainly life altering. Our quality of life isn't the same with one kidney.
Exactly. I am very baffled at the statement that "you can live with one". Well guess what, you can live with one ear, eye, limb. Just because you can manage living doesn't mean it's free and not life altering.
I am 45 years old, I will donate
-O (O negative) blood group
No disease, no high pressure or sugar or cholesterol.
I am in a big crisis, I need money.
I am from West Bengal
Could you guys make a video about buying a home vs. renting and investing the difference? Especially in 2024 in this high interest rate environment and high home prices
My wife and I both donated our kidneys, and the amount of times people ask us if we sold them or the amount of times I hear in movies or tv shows about selling your kidney always makes me laugh.
What motivated both of you to donate?
@@WalterLewinVEVO I wanted to donate as I felt God's calling to obey him to help give life to someone when He gave life to me, and I wasn't a match for my wife's best friend who needed a kidney at that same time. I donated altruistically, and after she saw me do it she decided to get her blood type tested. Then she found out she was a match for her friend and donated her kidney 3 months later.
Good episode!
I used to live in Florida and they would give us movie tickets for blood donations.
good episode, well-researched
Let's get more information on the Cryptonica Liquidity Pool.
Grow mustache, increase patreon donations from happy fans?
The auto enrolment in the Netherlands did NOT cause an outrage, I live in the Netherlands no such thing it just was agreed it was good thing to have default opt in.
That's why it became law.
Iran has a regulated body organ market and it kinda works well. Usually in like 95-98% of the time.
legalizing selling organs would only negatively affect poor people. Who would be buying them? Rich people. More inequality. Not a good idea.
So, you would rather rich people die and poor people lose out on money in the name of equity?
@@DJ_Force Not at all. Your assumption is off. All I'm saying is that buying organs causes an unfair advantage to those less well off. Organs are an extremely limited resource. If there was a free market for it, those who have the money will be snatching them up. And then what is left for those who couldn't afford it? The sad thing is that the rich can already do something like this. Take Steve Jobs. How does a man who live on the west coast get an organ transplant in the east? Organ centers require those on their list to be within easy traveling distance. Well, Mr Jobs had a private plane and the means to see multiple physicians. He could accept an organ from any part of the country because he could just hop on his plane and be anywhere within the time frame required. The majority of people do not have that option.
@@DJ_Forceso you'd rather take the life of a poor person and give it to the rich? Rich people are not more important than the poor.
@@anneliselim602 No one is suggesting chopping up poor people for parts. We are talking about elective survivable surgeries like donating a kidney or part of a liver.
@@DJ_Force "Elective". We all know a lot of people will be pressured to do so, specially by debt collectors and crime lords. As voluntary as "pay this 30,000 dollars hospital bill or die", "no pressure" 😉
In reality, I expect that science will overtake legislation in this area. Xenotransplantation from pigs has made great strides in recent years, thanks largely to gene editing, and induced pluripotentcy may eventually allow us to repair or replace diseased organs using the patient's own tissue samples, eliminating the need for anti-rejection drugs.
Tell us what the black market is?
I think there is an interesting discussion to the idea of something being both not necessarily evil and having benefits and also being demonstrably exploitative. When a policy is enacted that is much easier for the wealthy to opt-out of of and in fact benefit from and is more likely for poor and desperate people to engage with, I think that is exploitation. Doesn't necessarily mean it's evil, but it does seem like it will very easily become a financial system that could very easily incentivize less wealthy people giving up parts of their body and prioritizing the people who can pay the most for it (even if in theory that should not happen). Also, any body modification or extraction has health risks, and there is a real danger to pushing those risks on to people who can least afford to pay for them if they come up, potentially putting them in further financial strain.
Americans, if anyone, won’t like this for religious and freedom of autonomy reasons, but I think organ donation should be mandatory. The deceased don’t need kidneys, and neither do their families. Why should we let perfectly healthy organs rot in a grave, or burn in a crematory, when they could easily save a life? Is having the right to keep your kidney in your body when it’s dead worth someone else’s life?
How is it okay to be automatically opt-in into something?
Damn. There goes my last resort. 😢😢😢
wow 🤯
Dies ist Ihr bestes Video✋✋✋
What? The American Healthcare system behaving unethically? Which of the hundreds (of thousands?) of examples could you possibly be referring?
Why this video doesn't mention the potential health consequences? Which can be even more costly down the line? We have TWO kidneys for a reason.
And there go my two kidneys!
what if we became a post-scarcity economy without money, what would organ trade look like then?
Maybe we should address the causes of poverty so that fewer people need to even consider this...
Well, time to cry.
No CIA I ain't selling no kidney!
Maybe debt in of itself is the exploitation here
I thought about donating my eggs for money
Can I sell someone else's instead?
2021 bodily autonomy was the first thing to go under 🔵💙💙💙
Earrings not big enough
The 13th amendment bit feels a bit reductive given the for-profit prison system and its legalized forced labour of inmates.
My body, my choice.
We all want "my choice" when it's OUR bodies.
When it someone ELSE's body, for a not insignificant degree of the populace that other body is now a public resource which must be maintained by their edicts, personal, ideological, religious or otherwise.
Too damned many of us have a notion that our values and intentions are more important than others and our reasoning to justify such is "because we said so".
I trust those value profit over Equity every time
Thy jab at how the US responded to masks/vaccines was a good comparison.
We embarrassed ourselves by looking like selfish aholes. Even if the masks weren't as useful as something else, too many people chose to put their comfort (or pride) over someone else's life
I didn't like masks either but I still chose to respect the fact that my 70 year old neighbor was afraid of dying
Ahh. Sometimes people are frustrating
(suggestion) change the title of this video to Would you se your kidney for mmonie$ ? IAt-least, I won't & You shouldn't as-well !
Dislike because Indian map is incorrect.
how much you would sell a kidney for? I am holding out for a decent house down payment.
"removing a kidney is minimally invasive" such an American thing to say. Sorry. It's not. As a surgery it might be but in general any kind of surgery by definition is not minimally invasive. Even as a surgery removing an organ is also not minimally invasive... by definition. Such statement sounds like normalising this kind of stuff. If we were to share it they would be exterior like hair.
Relatively as an organ.. yes. Generally absolutely not.
This is ethically wrong. People are dying because we feel 'icky' about it. It can be regulated and it would be just fine. The same people that argue for abortion rights should also be for organ donation rights. My body, my choice
For me I am fine with it in a place like canada, I am not fine with it in a place like the USA- I do not trust them. If it was more lucrative to sell the organs than it is to save a life- they would let you die.
sure. let’s figure out more ways for our corporate overlords to exploit us while they live a long healthy life … sorry but this video makes me feel sick to the core.
What about fetal body parts. And if cells can from etopic pregnancy can be re injected into another body why can't etopic pregnancies be saved
What are you talking about? Cell from ectopic pregnancies are not injected into other people
@@explodethebomb why not the same person or another ovum. In fact why can't the embryo be reinjected
Should it be allowed?
Why not?How would legal hospitals make things worse than the black market already does?
If i can get over 250k$ just for a kidney,i would do it with no hesitation!
Why pay you $250K for a kidney if a college student would sell theirs for $50K to cover their tuition? Or why pay the student $50K if someone teetering on the brink of poverty would take $10K?
@@micahbush5397
Those underselling dum dums should check the actual value before making an offer,like it should be done with anything for sale.
@@micahbush5397
They should check it's value before putting such low prices.
So is Irans plan a good or bad idea 🤔????
Wow, haven't watched this page in a while. What happened to the mustache? And long hair?
Has the woke mind virus taken over?
How do tax cuts cost the country money if it's in same country
"The country" is always code for "the government."
The country is the people government being the country is what dictators say
It costs the government money, which is what most people mean when they say "costs the country money". By your logic, any government program that only spends money within its own country costs nothing
@@explodethebomb it cost product TV taking from producers this project in not paying fare share. Why office government records shows government revenue increases doing tax breaks. Official government records. What you learn in college was misinformation. That's why your in so much dept.
@@explodethebomb we have a better chance if winning the war in poverty and the war on drugs if we didn't take money domestic producers to give for free to the people who'd give it to the drug cartels
When Equity is brought up we quality and. Function are out the window
"It's almost like we were supposed to share them"
Exactly my thought. Want an arguement against it? If we are to share it why it's interior. Hair donations are non-impactful and it looks as-if to be shared, not god damn kidneys... What the hell. If you wanna share a kidney go ahead but don't say it's free and supposed to be done... Seriously.
JFC no, and the fact that we are even having this discussion is a sign of how insanely broken our society is.
So fixing a society means totalitarian fascism? ffs man.
Its been a issue for a long time, the fact that we are finally talking about it means ignorant masses are made aware and hopefully something happens on that front
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 "So fixing a society means totalitarian fascism? ffs man."
I hope you're not liberals
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