Agreed. Even if Ronnie loses, it was the right choice, all things considered. It can backfire mentally and in crowd dynamics regardless of the red going or going just with risky swerve.
No she didn’t do well…..Use a circular transparent ball marker to see if white goes past it to pot the red, or not quite as demonstrative or accurately good….hold the black before rocking down towards cushion, as Neil said on coms, and do same thing. This was as Alan McManus said in commentary. The refs earn their dues over situations like this. I think Stuart Bingham ought to have got involved there to help rectify the situation. Obviously ceding to Ronnie trust so good on Stuart but to get involved could have helped the situation.
Nothing difficult about it. Ronnie was looking for an advantage as he was playing to cover the spot and messed up. With black on the spot he couldn't pot the red. Not a chance he'd have played safe if he could pot the red.
Brilliant sportsmanship from Ronnie. I'm not his biggest fan, but that was awesome. Wonder if any footballers are watching that, that was true sport. If he goes on to win the tournament he knows within himself he won on merit. Big applause from me.
There was that time when Hendry, after his opponent was called for a foul+miss, elected to take his turn (rather than have the white replaced) because he thought the escape attempt was too difficult to count as a miss. Stephen was the most win-obsessed player out there but still had room in his head for respect.
Hendry called a foul on himself in the final against Jimmy, think it was the 2nd last frame, it would have been 17-16 can not remember who was leading. He told the ref he had moved a ball while leaning over to play a shot, doubt anyone would have noticed if he had not said anything.
Hendry also didn't agree with the referee's decision about a free ball in the 1992 world final. He asked the referee to check it with another red, and the ref admitted it wasn't actually a free ball.
@@oddities-whatnot People just keep arguing it's not pottable while some say it is. It's pretty much 50/50. What if it is pottable? Would you praise him? If you won't anyway, we know why the red must not go.
@@frankfrank6631 Not if you play a plain shot. Have to be played with side to bend it. While the original shot is on or not is unsure, the red should go without much problem after the ref misplaced the black.
As a snooker player I’ve always felt proud that we call our own fouls, and here, Ronnie showed wonderful sportsmanship ! Bravo Ronnie and Bravo to my sport as a whole 🙏
Was talking about this sort of thing in work today, and it’s the sport not the person. If I play snooker I will call a foul on myself without hesitation, but if I’m playing football and I win a throw in that I shouldn’t I can’t honestly say that I would chase down the ref to get it changed.
0:20 Parrott - correctly in my opinion - says that the weight of the ball, after a few days play, has created a crater. BUT surely the crater is in the position where the black has been most often spotted before - the CORRECT position!! If that's where it 'rocks' to, that's correct - so leave it there?!!
It won't always be dead centre on the spot. A dot of chalk within the nap, causing fractionally off re-spotting a few times without it being noticed, all sorts of things can make it happen like this.
Not quite. If a referee spots the black ball, releases it in where she thinks is the correct position, and then the ball rocks then definitely she did not spot it in a right position. Referee could have used the marker referees have to check whether there is enough space for black to be spotted.
exactly m8 ronnies bs and so called fair play was like....oops ive fucked up and will play the good guy ...not...lol...too many lick his ass....its pathetic...oh it s ronnie so it must be right...
@@hudgensonswhy use the marker? Ronnie had just potted the black off the spot so everybody knows the black goes on its spot. No need to use a marker in this situation.
Was that a voice of John Parrot in the end, who said “Thats what makes our game so great!”? C’mon John, we all remember how you played the red ball without saying a word, when a referee mistakenly restored a cue ball 5 santimeters wrong after you missed from a snooker. That mistake from the referee gave you a match! That was so unfair! Thanks to youtube everyone can find that.
@@ninman58 2008 world championship first round. Yes, i remember that! He luckily missed the black)) Otherwise it would be a great problem for a referee.
O'Sullivan offered a different perspective on the event: "To be honest with you, some of the refs, I think they've got it in for me, so I just wanted to prove to her that she got it wrong. "I didn't feel good about potting the ball after that, but I just wanted to make the point. The point was made. I'm not that hungry to win it in that way, so once the principle's been made I can sleep at night." What was that about sportsmanship? Maybe people could stop their arse kissing and call him out on pathetic bullying behaviour.
The principle of sportsmanship is summed up in "I can sleep at night". In other words, he has a conscience about the truth of the game. Leaving aside the issue of referees, he clearly saw it as an unfair advantage to him, if the referee's re-spotting wasn't accurate. He's done it before. In a match against Murphy a few years ago, he disputed the referee's judgement of a free ball, when the free ball was to his advantage. That time it was eventually demonstrated that the ref's judgement was correct, and Ronnie potted the free ball and won the frame. On that occasion, Murphy took the opposite position -- i.e., he sided with the referee -- so each player was arguing against himself, despite their personal dislike of each other, for the sake of the game's integrity.
@@searchterminatorseed2301 It's not actually relevant to the question of "sportsmanship". Sportsmanship in any sport is almost always about the player's relationship with their opponents, not what they think of the referee/umpire. (Note, too, that Bingham showed similar sportsmanship in leaving Ronnie to make a fair decision.) And questioning officials' competence is part of virtually every sport. It's rarer in snooker than some sports, for various reasons, but snooker refs do make mistakes, sometimes howlers, and the players are entitled to question them. Ronnie has had specific problems with a few refs over the years, and in almost all cases that I've seen, he's been right. Whether he is in this case, I can't say, but it doesn't actually matter in regard to the incident in question. The black clearly wouldn't stay on its spot -- it either rocked north or south -- and that had a material effect on the outcome, giving Ronnie an advantage that he couldn't live with.
@@ianboyle1026 he didn’t question her competency, he questioned her (and refs in general) integrity. There’s a big difference. So let me rephrase it, do you think questioning a referees integrity (with no basis) - halfway through a match - reflects well on a professional snooker players character? Context is everything and his demeanour and accusations towards this referee and others are quite pathetic actually.
@@searchterminatorseed2301 What did he do/say that was so egregious? He told her to "chill" when the audience movement issue happened, and she replied as good as she got without any further problems, and everyone's set their hair on fire over it. Seems to me the internet is carrying on like snowflakes on her behalf over f-all. She's a big girl, let her deal. He has a track record of complaining about what he sees as poor refereeing, and I suspect he's annoyed a few of them over the years, but he's usually right. And there's one or two who tend to get their backs up very quickly when they're questioned on decisions. Now, as far as questioning a ref's integrity "with no basis", presumably he feels there is a basis. He may be right or wrong, but he's entitled to ask the question. He didn't actually raise the question of the ref's integrity during the match, as far as I know -- just her competence in officiating. And once again, I will reiterate that it has nothing whatever to do with the "sportsmanship" question, which is between Ronnie, his opponent, and the physical truth of the position. Personally I think the referee needed to try to do something about the spot, given that it clearly wasn't functioning properly. Someone here has suggested she perhaps could have used another ball as a hammer, which might have been worth a try.
I admire the sportsmanship but I don’t really get it? The referee correctly respotted the black, or at least were it has been/will be for every other shot, so why not pot the red?
Frankly I don’t know but even on the last replacement I don’t think the red goes in maybe need a different angle to conclude that so placing safe was the wisest shot here 👌🏼
Neil was totally right in saying what he said. That was the way out of that situation. Bravo to Ronnie though. I don't think he needed to be so generous.Good luck to him though. Great sportsmanship! True legend!
@@craigbarnett9489 Sadly Eurosport are blinded to this fact. Nobody within snooker wants to do or say anything that might upset him incase they lose him. We need investment in grass roots snooker and hopefully we see a new world class star coming through and Ronnie can head off and do his exhibitions he loves so much.
@GordonCockfield-js7gt still not sure what a match from 25 years ago has to do with Ronnies attitude towards the ref? What did Hendry say to the ref that was rude or offensive?
The red never looked like going even after all of that. Trying to make out that he didn't pot it out of some noble deed is blowing it out of proportion.
I thought Ronnie was just throwing one of his tantrums at first. With the score this close, ronnie’s decision to play safe could literally have changed the outcome of the match
i love the over exaggerated comment “the greatest bit of sportsmanship in any sport” 😂. Most of us didn’t even understand it! It’s not like Di Canio catching the football against Everton or a batsman walking before being given out by the umpire.
@@djpeekay25 I’m not sure what’s hard to get? He could’ve made the red after the ball was set correctly and he didn’t feel right about it so he played safe
The red didn't go in the end anyway the commentary were just making assumptions. Credit to the Ref. for staying calm and composed through Ronnie's moaning.
Worst loss for Stephen Hendry vs Marcus Campbell who whitewashed 9-0. Hendry cried and wet his knickers THE GOAT RONNIE O"SULLIVAN has never been whitewashed 9-0 🐐
I cant wait to do this with my dad next time we play in our local club where finding a level table is often a bonus and after a few pints, its gonna be a laugh. Thing is though it was on its spot fine in the end, if you can see the red surely that was why you cried about it not being on its spot to start with. So what if it went on it easy the last time, if its on the spot properly its on it. Pot the red.
Can someone explain to me, a non-snooker player, what that was about? Why were they putting the black ball on that particular point? Why were they placing the black ball at all? Why did it have to go right there on that exact spot?
In snooker, only the red balls stay in the pocket after being potted. The other colors come back and are placed on dedicated spots on the table. The black has its dedicated spot in the particular section of the table where it was blocking the red ball that Ronnie was hoping to pot.
😮 You didn't show the part where Ronnie refused to shake her hand at the end of the session 😮 (And she got the black back on its spot but the red was blocked anyway. Nasty boy!)
This goes to show how easily most people can get fooled by a headline. This is the worst act of sportsmanship from Ronnie (not the best). It's just Ronnie being a twat as always. He was horrible to the ref and made her job very difficult on the day. He was even bullying her during the seating situation when he angrily told her to chill out. Ronnie is such a dick. I am not rooting for him anymore
Nope not the guy that stopped the other guy choking on his tongue in a football game or anything like this, the greatest sportsmanship in all sports is Ronnie O'Sullivan playing safe off a red.
Should’ve brought someone out to measure the spot to make sure the mark was indeed still correct. Slate and cloth both settle for days and sometimes weeks after you set a table up
@@ffrulezok cool sounds good bud Doesn’t matter if it was reclothed before Ray Reardon’s barmixtzfah or 30 seconds before you brush your teeth next Tuesday it takes 5 seconds to measure 12.75 inches from the top cushion. Let’s come out and verify next time an issue like this arises.
Players often sit back down while the ref takes a moment to deal with a tricky re-spotting. Some of them do it automatically, then they're up again thirty seconds later.
In the 1994 World Championship Final, Hendry was leading 16-15, and was ahead in the 32nd frame. He was given a foul and a free ball after Jimmy White's shot, but refused the free ball, even though it practically guaranteed him a 17-15 lead. Ironically, Hendry went on to lose that frame, but ended up winning the match 18-17. I think the commentators really need to stop kissing Ronnie's arse when talking about the "greatest sportsmanship I've ever seen".
It was actually rolling the other way, to block the red. There's a fine line between sportsmanship and gamesmanship and Ronnie's on the wrong side of it.
Exactly more like a bully . His attitude towards this ref has been terrible during this match. Telling her to chill . An older more experienced ref would probably warn him for his comments.
@GordonCockfield-js7gt the definition of a sado is you following my comments . I know you’re upset your hero is out but that’s not my fault. If any player behaved the way he did I’d say the same thing. As for Hendry v Marcus I don’t recall Stephen giving the ref a hard time. What did he do ?
@@amac1657 " I know you’re upset your hero is out but that’s not my fault" Is the self projected comment ever made on TH-cam of the highest order. Its clear that you're horribly angry with Ronnie that he beat your boy friend Judd Trump at the world championship finals 2022 and deprived him of a second world title!~ Sado
@GordonCockfield-js7gt try reading your own message before saying anyone isn’t mature. At no point did I or anyone else mention Hendry a guy who retired years ago so I’m struggling to understand why you bring him up.
Can someone actually explain what is happening here? After sorting out the wobble on the black which appears to block the red, the ref is convinced the black is on the spot, and the red is therefore now pot-able. If the black is on the spot and the red is pot-able, why didn't Ronnie take the shot? I'm clearly missing something
yeah, so basically ronnie wanted to pot the red but he looked up and witnessed Stuart saving a kitten from a tree, so therefore ronnie felt obliged to play a safety evidently gifting the frame to Stuart out of sheer kindness and recognition of stuarts heroic actions. hope this helped.
His attitude towards this ref has been terrible during this match. Telling her to chill. An older more experienced ref would probably warn him for his comments.
I don't get it, if the black was on the spot and he could pot the red, why didn't he? Especially after all that trouble to get the black on it's spot. Can someone please explain?
The opponent cared, but he had enough respect for Ronnie to trust his judgement. As for the question of sportsmanship, Ronnie's attitude is that referee or not, the physical reality of the position governed his thinking. He didn't believe he was entitled to the advantage, even if it was within the rules. That's sportsmanship.
@@antoniop9413 Haha I take it you're calling me a mug? So you somehow know better than the professionals on the spot? Well, good for you. I envy you your omniscience. And I take it that by "end off" you actually mean "end of"? Impressive comment all round.
100% correct. He didn't want the black on its spot. It was a bad positional shot from Ronnie. He was testing the ref. There was loads of space for the black as can be seen.
Respect to Neil, but, he needed to stop talking there and let us hear the discussion between the referee and Ronnie. Inexperience in the commentary box in this moment.
I watched this live and before he played the shot, the ref said to him "its your choice" and Ronnie replied to her "I know its my choice", she looked annoyed by his reply and kinda rolled her eyes, I thought Ronnie was being quite rude to her.
What I don’t understand is that the black naturally wants to roll onto its spot - so why was the ref trying to place it off its spot? Did she have a few quid on Ronnie?
There's no sportsmanship from ronnie here. After barraking the ref to put the black off the spot, he refused to pot. It was him who forced her to wrongly spot the black. The ref had it right the first time, he had no pot available. It was likely he would go on to lose the match.
Without rolling, it is uncertain if it's on or not. But on the last time the ref placed it, it is definitely on(even the commentators said it). But Ronnie just refused to take advantage of it because he thought the black is off from it's spot and the ref refused to respot it again. While asking the ref to reconfirm the placement numerous times may not be the most sportsman like thing to do, not beating your your oppenent with a ref mistake surely is.
"not beating your opponent with a ref mistake" is sportsmanship. No sir , its pragmatism since he knows the kind of ridicule he'd have received had he done so.@@cwk0505
@@rajenkasi67 Only ones irrelevant are the hate filled imbeciles on the internet . And its a Indiancurryspoonfan snookerfan as usual. Most definitely a Trump fan. We get you're still upset Ronnie deprived your boy friend of a second world title. Must be a joker if you think Ronnie or genuine snooker fans are going to lose sleep over an irrelevant nobody on TH-cam disliking him.
@@rajenkasi67 Only ones irrelevant are the hate filled imbeciles on the internet . And its a Indian snooker fan as usual. Most definitely a Trump fan. We get it you're still upset Ronnie deprived your boy friend of a second world title. Must be a joker if you think Ronnie or genuine snooker fans are going to lose sleep over an irrelevant nobody on TH-cam disliking him.
@@rajenkasi67 Only ones irrelevant are the mugs on the internet . And its a Indian snooker fan as usual. Most definitely a Trump fan. We get it you're still upset Ronnie deprived your boy friend Judd Trump of a second world title. Must be a joker if you think Ronnie or genuine snooker fans are going to lose sleep over an irrelevant nobody on TH-cam disliking him.
How is this a "greatest act of sportsmanship" ??? Are you mad??? A black ball rolling a bit and a player rightfully asking for this to be fixed... is "sportsmanship" ?? Look up the definition. Such pitiful clickbait.
he could have played the easy pot as it clearly went after the ref placed the black the final time... he chose to play the safety as he didn't want it to look as though he was taking advantage of the ref replacing the black multiple times... pretty obvious that its good sportsmanship from Ronnie... you're another one that needs to re-watch the video.
Am I blind or something? It's rocking INTO the ideal path. The fact it was rocking was impeding the shot not helping it. He's at a DISADVANTAGE if it rocks...
Could have potted the red but didn’t after the ball sat on the spot so why did he make the ref jump through all those hoops. I can’t imagine the ref being stunned by his class. “Why waste my time if you were going to refuse it anyway” more like. Just don’t get it, looked like a power trip at times?
Far out all the armchair experts in the comment saying the red wasn't on anyway. Smfh. Go and watch some tutorial videos about cue sport basics. As Robertson pointed out, an easy pot with a bit of side.
For all those that didn't see it, when the black was respotted he could pot it with side. When it was originally placed because of the black moving, it wasn't on. Ronnie didn't want to take advantage of the rule and then played safe. You all probably would have taken advantage of the rule. True sportsmanship! Good karma to come, Ronnie
Stuart has the purest of hearts.. true gentleman
Man is just rude
Again
He’s not. Stuart is a knob.
It is always the players who make the game worth watching! Kudos to Mr.O'Sullivan.
Difficult situation for the referee, she did well. Ronnie did the right thing in the end. Cost him the frame too
Agreed. Even if Ronnie loses, it was the right choice, all things considered. It can backfire mentally and in crowd dynamics regardless of the red going or going just with risky swerve.
@thesmithsnerd the last time she spotted it she left it high and the red flew
cost him the match
No she didn’t do well…..Use a circular transparent ball marker to see if white goes past it to pot the red, or not quite as demonstrative or accurately good….hold the black before rocking down towards cushion, as Neil said on coms, and do same thing. This was as Alan McManus said in commentary. The refs earn their dues over situations like this. I think Stuart Bingham ought to have got involved there to help rectify the situation. Obviously ceding to Ronnie trust so good on Stuart but to get involved could have helped the situation.
Nothing difficult about it. Ronnie was looking for an advantage as he was playing to cover the spot and messed up. With black on the spot he couldn't pot the red. Not a chance he'd have played safe if he could pot the red.
Brilliant sportsmanship from Ronnie. I'm not his biggest fan, but that was awesome. Wonder if any footballers are watching that, that was true sport. If he goes on to win the tournament he knows within himself he won on merit. Big applause from me.
Gotta be honest I'm not the biggest fan but this moment is pure and i mean pure class . Your a credit to the game !
There was that time when Hendry, after his opponent was called for a foul+miss, elected to take his turn (rather than have the white replaced) because he thought the escape attempt was too difficult to count as a miss. Stephen was the most win-obsessed player out there but still had room in his head for respect.
Hendry called a foul on himself in the final against Jimmy, think it was the 2nd last frame, it would have been 17-16 can not remember who was leading. He told the ref he had moved a ball while leaning over to play a shot, doubt anyone would have noticed if he had not said anything.
That was against Ricky Walden…
Hendry also didn't agree with the referee's decision about a free ball in the 1992 world final. He asked the referee to check it with another red, and the ref admitted it wasn't actually a free ball.
Well said unlike the loser who lost this game to Bingham.
@@rs-qt1qgAlso, a couple of years ago, a blind man bumped into Hendry, Hendry touched him and he said:'IT'S A MIRACLE, I CAN SEE AGAIN.
When you are down and you know it may cost you the frame, yet you still insist to play fair, it is sportsmanship and class.
Well done, Ronnie.
Red wasnt potable so whats with the sportsmanship bollocks ? Oh yes, lets show kindness by not potting a ball that wont go in anyway. Eh ?
@@oddities-whatnot People just keep arguing it's not pottable while some say it is. It's pretty much 50/50. What if it is pottable? Would you praise him? If you won't anyway, we know why the red must not go.
@@cwk0505the black is quite clearly between the cue ball and the object ball, it isn't pottable. Honestly it's a very strange situation.
@@frankfrank6631 Not if you play a plain shot. Have to be played with side to bend it.
While the original shot is on or not is unsure, the red should go without much problem after the ref misplaced the black.
The red was never on, at any point. Steve Davis called it out for what it was...and he certainly never called it sportsmanship 😂
As a snooker player I’ve always felt proud that we call our own fouls, and here, Ronnie showed wonderful sportsmanship ! Bravo Ronnie and Bravo to my sport as a whole 🙏
Was talking about this sort of thing in work today, and it’s the sport not the person. If I play snooker I will call a foul on myself without hesitation, but if I’m playing football and I win a throw in that I shouldn’t I can’t honestly say that I would chase down the ref to get it changed.
That was pure class.
NICE TO SEE SPORTSMANSHIP AINT DEAD DID MY FAIR HEART GOOD THAT ❤
Robertson commentary was a breath of fresh air.
0:20 Parrott - correctly in my opinion - says that the weight of the ball, after a few days play, has created a crater. BUT surely the crater is in the position where the black has been most often spotted before - the CORRECT position!! If that's where it 'rocks' to, that's correct - so leave it there?!!
the thing is they did a re-cloth on the tables ahead of the QFs
It won't always be dead centre on the spot. A dot of chalk within the nap, causing fractionally off re-spotting a few times without it being noticed, all sorts of things can make it happen like this.
Not quite. If a referee spots the black ball, releases it in where she thinks is the correct position, and then the ball rocks then definitely she did not spot it in a right position. Referee could have used the marker referees have to check whether there is enough space for black to be spotted.
exactly m8 ronnies bs and so called fair play was like....oops ive fucked up and will play the good guy ...not...lol...too many lick his ass....its pathetic...oh it s ronnie so it must be right...
@@hudgensonswhy use the marker? Ronnie had just potted the black off the spot so everybody knows the black goes on its spot. No need to use a marker in this situation.
Sportmanship at its very best. Well done Ronnie
RIP - Killer Instinct
All credit to Stuart for not getting involved and said i I trust Ronnie's view. Sportsmanship credit should be due to Stuart
Was that a voice of John Parrot in the end, who said “Thats what makes our game so great!”?
C’mon John, we all remember how you played the red ball without saying a word, when a referee mistakenly restored a cue ball 5 santimeters wrong after you missed from a snooker.
That mistake from the referee gave you a match! That was so unfair!
Thanks to youtube everyone can find that.
Remember it well! He was playing Tony Knowles. Awkward cuing before, then had his hand flat on the table for the second shot. Terrible sportsmanship
How big is a Santimeter ?
@@malcolmstockbridge2569 way bigger than a Mollymeter
Also the time he tried to deliberately foul against Steve Davis as a "containing safety".
@@ninman58 2008 world championship first round. Yes, i remember that! He luckily missed the black)) Otherwise it would be a great problem for a referee.
Can this be my vote for sports personality of the year please
O'Sullivan offered a different perspective on the event: "To be honest with you, some of the refs, I think they've got it in for me, so I just wanted to prove to her that she got it wrong.
"I didn't feel good about potting the ball after that, but I just wanted to make the point. The point was made. I'm not that hungry to win it in that way, so once the principle's been made I can sleep at night."
What was that about sportsmanship? Maybe people could stop their arse kissing and call him out on pathetic bullying behaviour.
The principle of sportsmanship is summed up in "I can sleep at night". In other words, he has a conscience about the truth of the game. Leaving aside the issue of referees, he clearly saw it as an unfair advantage to him, if the referee's re-spotting wasn't accurate. He's done it before. In a match against Murphy a few years ago, he disputed the referee's judgement of a free ball, when the free ball was to his advantage. That time it was eventually demonstrated that the ref's judgement was correct, and Ronnie potted the free ball and won the frame. On that occasion, Murphy took the opposite position -- i.e., he sided with the referee -- so each player was arguing against himself, despite their personal dislike of each other, for the sake of the game's integrity.
@@ianboyle1026 do you think questioning the referee’s integrity forms part of that sportsmanship you refer to?
@@searchterminatorseed2301 It's not actually relevant to the question of "sportsmanship". Sportsmanship in any sport is almost always about the player's relationship with their opponents, not what they think of the referee/umpire. (Note, too, that Bingham showed similar sportsmanship in leaving Ronnie to make a fair decision.) And questioning officials' competence is part of virtually every sport. It's rarer in snooker than some sports, for various reasons, but snooker refs do make mistakes, sometimes howlers, and the players are entitled to question them. Ronnie has had specific problems with a few refs over the years, and in almost all cases that I've seen, he's been right. Whether he is in this case, I can't say, but it doesn't actually matter in regard to the incident in question. The black clearly wouldn't stay on its spot -- it either rocked north or south -- and that had a material effect on the outcome, giving Ronnie an advantage that he couldn't live with.
@@ianboyle1026 he didn’t question her competency, he questioned her (and refs in general) integrity. There’s a big difference. So let me rephrase it, do you think questioning a referees integrity (with no basis) - halfway through a match - reflects well on a professional snooker players character? Context is everything and his demeanour and accusations towards this referee and others are quite pathetic actually.
@@searchterminatorseed2301 What did he do/say that was so egregious? He told her to "chill" when the audience movement issue happened, and she replied as good as she got without any further problems, and everyone's set their hair on fire over it. Seems to me the internet is carrying on like snowflakes on her behalf over f-all. She's a big girl, let her deal. He has a track record of complaining about what he sees as poor refereeing, and I suspect he's annoyed a few of them over the years, but he's usually right. And there's one or two who tend to get their backs up very quickly when they're questioned on decisions.
Now, as far as questioning a ref's integrity "with no basis", presumably he feels there is a basis. He may be right or wrong, but he's entitled to ask the question. He didn't actually raise the question of the ref's integrity during the match, as far as I know -- just her competence in officiating.
And once again, I will reiterate that it has nothing whatever to do with the "sportsmanship" question, which is between Ronnie, his opponent, and the physical truth of the position.
Personally I think the referee needed to try to do something about the spot, given that it clearly wasn't functioning properly. Someone here has suggested she perhaps could have used another ball as a hammer, which might have been worth a try.
I have no idea what that was about....can anybody explain?
I admire the sportsmanship but I don’t really get it? The referee correctly respotted the black, or at least were it has been/will be for every other shot, so why not pot the red?
Frankly I don’t know but even on the last replacement I don’t think the red goes in maybe need a different angle to conclude that so placing safe was the wisest shot here 👌🏼
Correct. It wasnt potable so ive no idea why they are saying he showed great sportsmanship by not potting it. Doesnt even make sense.
@@oddities-whatnot Have you ever actually played snooker? That goes in with a tiny bit of side.
Neil was totally right in saying what he said. That was the way out of that situation. Bravo to Ronnie though. I don't think he needed to be so generous.Good luck to him though. Great sportsmanship! True legend!
Completely lacking class you mean. The way he’s treated this ref throughout this match is shocking.
Totally agree. What a miserable arrogant person he has become!
@@craigbarnett9489 Sadly Eurosport are blinded to this fact. Nobody within snooker wants to do or say anything that might upset him incase they lose him. We need investment in grass roots snooker and hopefully we see a new world class star coming through and Ronnie can head off and do his exhibitions he loves so much.
@@DannyShine what was incompetent about this ref? Nothing she did her job perfectly and had to put up with Ronnie’s behaviour
@GordonCockfield-js7gt I’m no Trump fan but at least he’s never disrespectful to refs and fellow players.
@GordonCockfield-js7gt still not sure what a match from 25 years ago has to do with Ronnies attitude towards the ref? What did Hendry say to the ref that was rude or offensive?
The red never looked like going even after all of that. Trying to make out that he didn't pot it out of some noble deed is blowing it out of proportion.
Only needed a bit of side and it flew in
I think Neil Robertson would know if it it went or not.
@@archiebobo Neil wasn't playing.
The red was on make no mistake. You’re clearly not a Ronnie fan
@@Nico-qt4qzNeil wasn’t playing? Neither were you! We all saw the same camera angles.
Legend
I thought Ronnie was just throwing one of his tantrums at first. With the score this close, ronnie’s decision to play safe could literally have changed the outcome of the match
I was watching in work without audio so I was thinking ronnie wasn’t happy that the wasn’t putting it in the right position
Yeah this is not what was happening. Watch again with audio.
Sportsmanship? Where was the sportsmanship. ?
Buggered if I know!!!
i love the over exaggerated comment “the greatest bit of sportsmanship in any sport” 😂. Most of us didn’t even understand it! It’s not like Di Canio catching the football against Everton or a batsman walking before being given out by the umpire.
@@djpeekay25 I’m not sure what’s hard to get? He could’ve made the red after the ball was set correctly and he didn’t feel right about it so he played safe
Come on the 🚀 you got this tonight 💯👍 I be watching the match not long now
He acted like a complete weapon towards the referee though
GOAT
The red didn't go in the end anyway the commentary were just making assumptions. Credit to the Ref. for staying calm and composed through Ronnie's moaning.
After one spotting, it did. He was not moaning. He was being incredibly fair.
@tetra 🤐🤐🤐🥱🥱🥱
You could have just conceded, Ron!
Worst loss for Stephen Hendry vs Marcus Campbell who whitewashed 9-0. Hendry cried and wet his knickers
THE GOAT RONNIE O"SULLIVAN has never been whitewashed 9-0 🐐
How is the black rocking _off_ its spot? If anything, that 'mini crater' should be keeping it on its spot.
Not sure the red was on to be honest.
I dont think it was
it wasnt but dont let the ronnie fan boys know that
@Jacko84-lg2lw Swerve? Lol
Side will throw the red and widen the angle, very rudimentary pool/snooker shot
I cant wait to do this with my dad next time we play in our local club where finding a level table is often a bonus and after a few pints, its gonna be a laugh. Thing is though it was on its spot fine in the end, if you can see the red surely that was why you cried about it not being on its spot to start with. So what if it went on it easy the last time, if its on the spot properly its on it. Pot the red.
Footballers take heed. This man is miles ahead of you, not only in talent and skill, but character and true sportsmanship.
Making ref nervous. Ronnie behave. You are not untouchable
Makes VAR look exciting!
Can someone explain to me, a non-snooker player, what that was about? Why were they putting the black ball on that particular point? Why were they placing the black ball at all? Why did it have to go right there on that exact spot?
In snooker, only the red balls stay in the pocket after being potted. The other colors come back and are placed on dedicated spots on the table. The black has its dedicated spot in the particular section of the table where it was blocking the red ball that Ronnie was hoping to pot.
😮 You didn't show the part where Ronnie refused to shake her hand at the end of the session 😮
(And she got the black back on its spot but the red was blocked anyway. Nasty boy!)
Because it wasn't end of match , no need to shake hands
Learn some basic rules first, then comment.
@@costaloppas7480Wrong, everybody shakes hands at the end of every session.
@@slawomirreizer248What exact rule are you referring to? Please enlighten me oh wise and sage guru to the masses 😂🤣😅
What I didn't understand was why he didn't just play safe 5 mins earlier if he didn't feel comfortable taking advantage
Why does Ronnie Cuball insist it's the ref's fault when he didn't adjust his ball correctly? If the referee did his job correctly.
You do know thats a SHE !
He passed the gentlemany act of 1874
Is the commentator is neil robertson ??
yep it is
Kudos to Ronnie,kudos to Stuart and even the ref. It is what is it...play the game.
She tried as best she coild. Then play on.
This goes to show how easily most people can get fooled by a headline.
This is the worst act of sportsmanship from Ronnie (not the best).
It's just Ronnie being a twat as always.
He was horrible to the ref and made her job very difficult on the day.
He was even bullying her during the seating situation when he angrily told her to chill out.
Ronnie is such a dick. I am not rooting for him anymore
Nope not the guy that stopped the other guy choking on his tongue in a football game or anything like this, the greatest sportsmanship in all sports is Ronnie O'Sullivan playing safe off a red.
Well tbf this didn’t cost a life of a human being but I get your point
Think stopping someone choking isn’t really sportsmanship is it. Just humanity.
The red didn’t go anyway and the referee did nothing wrong
Think, think, think, Ronnie!
Should’ve brought someone out to measure the spot to make sure the mark was indeed still correct. Slate and cloth both settle for days and sometimes weeks after you set a table up
Table was reclothed before this match
@@ffrulezok cool sounds good bud Doesn’t matter if it was reclothed before Ray Reardon’s barmixtzfah or 30 seconds before you brush your teeth next Tuesday it takes 5 seconds to measure 12.75 inches from the top cushion. Let’s come out and verify next time an issue like this arises.
he always gives the referees a hard time 😂😂😂
Why did he go and sit back down? What did he think was going to happen
Ronnie does love a bit of drama.
@@aodhan2023cos he’s a 🛎️
Players often sit back down while the ref takes a moment to deal with a tricky re-spotting. Some of them do it automatically, then they're up again thirty seconds later.
In the 1994 World Championship Final, Hendry was leading 16-15, and was ahead in the 32nd frame. He was given a foul and a free ball after Jimmy White's shot, but refused the free ball, even though it practically guaranteed him a 17-15 lead. Ironically, Hendry went on to lose that frame, but ended up winning the match 18-17.
I think the commentators really need to stop kissing Ronnie's arse when talking about the "greatest sportsmanship I've ever seen".
This might have cost RoS the 8th World title.
It was actually rolling the other way, to block the red. There's a fine line between sportsmanship and gamesmanship and Ronnie's on the wrong side of it.
The black kept rolling back to its correct spot. The red never went regardless.
OH YEAH RONNIE YEAH!
Sportmanship? Just giving the ref a hard time.
My thoughts exactly.
Exactly more like a bully . His attitude towards this ref has been terrible during this match. Telling her to chill . An older more experienced ref would probably warn him for his comments.
@GordonCockfield-js7gt the definition of a sado is you following my comments . I know you’re upset your hero is out but that’s not my fault. If any player behaved the way he did I’d say the same thing. As for Hendry v Marcus I don’t recall Stephen giving the ref a hard time. What did he do ?
@@amac1657 " I know you’re upset your hero is out but that’s not my fault" Is the self projected comment ever made on TH-cam of the highest order. Its clear that you're horribly angry with Ronnie that he beat your boy friend Judd Trump at the world championship finals 2022 and deprived him of a second world title!~ Sado
@GordonCockfield-js7gt try reading your own message before saying anyone isn’t mature. At no point did I or anyone else mention Hendry a guy who retired years ago so I’m struggling to understand why you bring him up.
Can someone actually explain what is happening here? After sorting out the wobble on the black which appears to block the red, the ref is convinced the black is on the spot, and the red is therefore now pot-able. If the black is on the spot and the red is pot-able, why didn't Ronnie take the shot? I'm clearly missing something
Can someone explain?
You have listened to the clip, haven't you? It's pretty self explanatory
yeah, so basically ronnie wanted to pot the red but he looked up and witnessed Stuart saving a kitten from a tree, so therefore ronnie felt obliged to play a safety evidently gifting the frame to Stuart out of sheer kindness and recognition of stuarts heroic actions. hope this helped.
@@Thetoon25honestly 😅
@@Owen7070 😂😂😂😂
Propaganda
Sportsmanship…do me a favour! 😏
His attitude towards this ref has been terrible during this match. Telling her to chill. An older more experienced ref would probably warn him for his comments.
An older more experienced ref also wouldn't hassle him to play immediately while people were shuffling in/out of the arena.
@@mbucd but that’s not what happened
I don't get it, if the black was on the spot and he could pot the red, why didn't he? Especially after all that trouble to get the black on it's spot. Can someone please explain?
class
Got the feeling Ronnie got irritated with the referee who tried to accommodate all ways to settle the problem.
what kind of sportsmanship is this??? when referee says its on the spot and opponent does not care, then play the goddamn shot.
The opponent cared, but he had enough respect for Ronnie to trust his judgement. As for the question of sportsmanship, Ronnie's attitude is that referee or not, the physical reality of the position governed his thinking. He didn't believe he was entitled to the advantage, even if it was within the rules. That's sportsmanship.
@@ianboyle1026 ,well said my friend.
@@antoniop9413 Haha I take it you're calling me a mug? So you somehow know better than the professionals on the spot? Well, good for you. I envy you your omniscience. And I take it that by "end off" you actually mean "end of"? Impressive comment all round.
@@antoniop9413 A "zoomed in image"? Oh wow, well that clinches it. Good for you. 😊
I’m a huge Ronnie fan & that red was never on had it of been in a heart beat it would be in the pocket
100% correct. He didn't want the black on its spot. It was a bad positional shot from Ronnie. He was testing the ref. There was loads of space for the black as can be seen.
平心而论，我在直播时说：这个球，就算摆出花儿来，也没有下球。这是一杆防守，而不是体育精神。这是完全错误的导向。
Respect to Neil, but, he needed to stop talking there and let us hear the discussion between the referee and Ronnie.
Inexperience in the commentary box in this moment.
Watch the erou sport clip
Watch the erou sport clip
Watch the erou sport clip
Ronnie wasn't happy with her ball handling skills
Oh Saint Ronald, what a noble gent you are. This one act of sportsmanship completely wipes out all your past sins of acting like a complete knobhead 🙄
The referee needs to stand firmly
Ronnie could've potted that red, might have had 2 turn it over with a touch right hand side but it wasn't hard to do!
I watched this live and before he played the shot, the ref said to him "its your choice" and Ronnie replied to her "I know its my choice", she looked annoyed by his reply and kinda rolled her eyes, I thought Ronnie was being quite rude to her.
Neil Robertson did very well in the commentary booth. However, can someone tell him to be quiet when the players are speaking to the referees.
What I don’t understand is that the black naturally wants to roll onto its spot - so why was the ref trying to place it off its spot?
Did she have a few quid on Ronnie?
Others would have potted that red for sure.
Superb all round
4:43 No its what makes Ronnie so Great!
Jesus if the commentary would shut up we could hear the players and ref!
Was it about sportmanship?
Congratulations to Bingham to put up with all the blah
Match Fixing at its finest
He should have just potted the red !!
There's no sportsmanship from ronnie here. After barraking the ref to put the black off the spot, he refused to pot. It was him who forced her to wrongly spot the black. The ref had it right the first time, he had no pot available. It was likely he would go on to lose the match.
No sportmaship here whatsoever. He just messed up his shot and tried to blame the ref. The black wasnt potable
BAN all phones in arena,, pisses me off
How on earth is this great sportmanship? Even without rolling off, the red was never on. He has unnecessarily bothered everyone involved.
Without rolling, it is uncertain if it's on or not. But on the last time the ref placed it, it is definitely on(even the commentators said it). But Ronnie just refused to take advantage of it because he thought the black is off from it's spot and the ref refused to respot it again.
While asking the ref to reconfirm the placement numerous times may not be the most sportsman like thing to do, not beating your your oppenent with a ref mistake surely is.
Exactly. Sportsmanship my ar*e
Never on in a million years
"not beating your opponent with a ref mistake" is sportsmanship. No sir , its pragmatism since he knows the kind of ridicule he'd have received had he done so.@@cwk0505
Look again at it and what Neil said. That red ball was definitely on.
@@Rdott82 Let's pretend we have never seen on TV that a shot seems it won't go until the player potted it.😂
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Whine Anthon Halmes is in mom basement crying that his boy friend Judd lost
@@CaseyJones-le1mh🤣🤣🤣👍
He din get this his way did he? Well done ref.
Judd Trumps worst lost was at the 2022 world final vs Ronnie O'Sullivan . Ronnie took his soul that day.
@@CaseyJones-le1mh irrelevant
@@rajenkasi67 Only ones irrelevant are the hate filled imbeciles on the internet . And its a Indiancurryspoonfan snookerfan as usual. Most definitely a Trump fan. We get you're still upset Ronnie deprived your boy friend of a second world title. Must be a joker if you think Ronnie or genuine snooker fans are going to lose sleep over an irrelevant nobody on TH-cam disliking him.
@@rajenkasi67
Only ones irrelevant are the hate filled imbeciles on the internet . And its a Indian snooker fan as usual. Most definitely a Trump fan. We get it you're still upset Ronnie deprived your boy friend of a second world title. Must be a joker if you think Ronnie or genuine snooker fans are going to lose sleep over an irrelevant nobody on TH-cam disliking him.
@@rajenkasi67
Only ones irrelevant are the mugs on the internet . And its a Indian snooker fan as usual. Most definitely a Trump fan. We get it you're still upset Ronnie deprived your boy friend Judd Trump of a second world title. Must be a joker if you think Ronnie or genuine snooker fans are going to lose sleep over an irrelevant nobody on TH-cam disliking him.
Was he being sportsman like or did he want to lose
I think Ronnie done the right thing
Well then this evens it up on that time he carried on in a frame when he clearly nudged balls with the rest...
Should've placed it, held it, then tapped the top with a pocketed ball to "seat" it.
Great idea. Make the dent worse.
Or better yet, have the table re-clothed because princess Ronnie isn't happy.
How is this a "greatest act of sportsmanship" ??? Are you mad???
A black ball rolling a bit and a player rightfully asking for this to be fixed... is "sportsmanship" ??
Look up the definition.
Such pitiful clickbait.
It is sportsmanship actually, they'd be players who'd take advantage of that situation
Well yes, since with the roll he could easily pot the red
he could have played the easy pot as it clearly went after the ref placed the black the final time... he chose to play the safety as he didn't want it to look as though he was taking advantage of the ref replacing the black multiple times... pretty obvious that its good sportsmanship from Ronnie... you're another one that needs to re-watch the video.
Nah, the sportsmanship part is where the red is finally pottable but plays safe instead.
Am I blind or something? It's rocking INTO the ideal path. The fact it was rocking was impeding the shot not helping it.
He's at a DISADVANTAGE if it rocks...
This is why snooker is so good
Could have potted the red but didn’t after the ball sat on the spot so why did he make the ref jump through all those hoops. I can’t imagine the ref being stunned by his class. “Why waste my time if you were going to refuse it anyway” more like.
Just don’t get it, looked like a power trip at times?
Far out all the armchair experts in the comment saying the red wasn't on anyway. Smfh.
Go and watch some tutorial videos about cue sport basics. As Robertson pointed out, an easy pot with a bit of side.
For all those that didn't see it, when the black was respotted he could pot it with side. When it was originally placed because of the black moving, it wasn't on. Ronnie didn't want to take advantage of the rule and then played safe. You all probably would have taken advantage of the rule. True sportsmanship! Good karma to come, Ronnie