Regarding the "dead space field," I believe it's an infiltration tactic. Markers likely get discovered by small exploration parties, so if they were infected immediately, the ability to spread further would be halted by the small pool of victims and the virus would snuff itself out. By creating the field, markers gather larger populations around it as they are investigated, moved around, copied, etc. Then the trap springs once the victims unknowingly leave the field and it spreads outward, trapping the population within the dead space field who will eventually succumb. I suppose a Convergence event triggers the deactivation of the dead space field since it's no longer required, as enough victims have been gathered.
So what came first? The Marker or the Brethren moon? I think there was some long gone race that wanted immortality, came up with convergence and all merged into the first moon. They get to live forever but they have to be apex predator cosmozoans constantly cycling the process over and over.
I figure the Brethren Moons use the Markers to transfer power, rather than create power. The Brethren Moons will test a new Marker first to make sure they can influence through it,and if so they will transfer power to that Marker. This ensures that the Brethren Moons have the link to the new location, and if someone tries to build a Marker without that influence link they do not get the power benefits
I always wondered about the red marker and the Pedestal it was put on. We know, through lore, that the Pedestal was created to amplify the dead space signal stopping the outbreak when the marker was first tested on Ages 7 but what if it changed the marker as well? Once the marker was taken off the Pedestal the Necromorph infestation started up and once it was put back the infestation ended. All Necromorph fall over 'dead'. If the marker's plan is convergence then tricking Issac to put it back on the Pedestal is a bad plan because it would stop the Necromorphs. So that would be smart for it to trick the limited biomass.
@@sussybaka6939 As soon as the Marker is placed back on the pedestal every single necromorph 'died' and "Nicole", the Marker, thanked Issac. "Thank you, Isaac. I always believed in you. I knew you return to me. We are whole again, Issac... we are whole..." Then it released a field that took down the gravity tethers. After some more thinking, i got a new theory on what happened. The pedestal amplified the marker signal allowing it to infect Isaac's mind. Stross got the marker codes after holding it. My guess is getting the codes from the marker signal takes time if you are close to it and nearly instant when you hold it and at the moment the marker was made whole with the pedestal it could upload the marker codes fully into Isaac's mind. The tethers failing was to give him motivation to get the fuck off the planet.
The pedestal is said in the text log to be a transmitter that amplifies the Marker's signal. Not just the "dead space". The doctors might've initially built it so they could use the "dead space" to protect themselves, but that wasn't its sole purpose.
I believe the reason for the infestation stopping once the Marker was replaced is because the Marker was not originally intended to be the source of the outbreak. That would be the monster at the end or something. The Marker was intended to be a device to keep the monster and it's outbreak at bay, and by removing it from the pedestal, the Marker would give people visions and encourage them to put it back in order to curb them outbreak. That's why the Necromorph outbreak stopped after Isaac replaced the Marker. At least, that's what I read from a comment a few years ago. After Dead Space 2, however, that was not the case anymore.
That’s perhaps the greatest irony of unitology and it tickled me to no end when I first read Martyr. The man that all these people worship like rural southerners worship Jesus was literally just like “nah fack off” and tried to destroy them.
Maybe the ones that became Unitoligists had some weaker code put in their minds and it passed on genetically so when they heard about The Marker they needed to Worship it. And that's why they worship him too because he let them know about it.
@@fiddlesticks7245 James is a garden variety bigot that thinks he's an elite. The irony is, if anything, Altman is akin to Hubbard, literally telling people his religion (it became Scientology) was fake from the get-go, but the Tom Cruises and other Scientologists saw the value in hijacking the cult for their own purposes.
@@fiddlesticks7245 Yes, yes it was. Having lived among those Chuds for the majority of my life, I can say with absolute certainty that they are, to a man, absolute god-tier mutants that will picket the funeral of the man who cures cancer if he just so happens to be gay/black/Asian/any ethnicity other than white/believed in anything other than Christ. Tell me I’m wrong and I will call you a bold faced liar. And for the record, bigotry implies that I hate them because of their culture or beliefs; I don’t. I hate them because they are a gaggle of prejudiced idiots who still think of themselves as Antebellum royalty despite the fact that they live in conditions that would be cruel to a maggot and entertain themselves with creative suicide attempts.
The Markers are one of the best science fiction object/thing. Very interesting and deviously deceptive. Free energy in exchage of body mass, a great way to redduce the over population.
Dude I just found your Channel and as a DEAD-icated Dead Space fan ( played 1 eight times 3 once and 2 18 times seen both movies and the walkthrough of the Nintendo game ) I can safely say your Channel is EPIC. I have a WHAT IF for you if that's ok. What if They Discoverd a Marker on LV 426 right after The Queen laid her first egg gives The Necros a chance to get started and gives The Xenos a chance too as well you can even extend it too the movies like a series The Xenos and The Necros showing up where Ripley is. Respect and keep up the epic work.
Dead Space universe is amazing, both the deep backstory and recent, more spin-off focused stories like comics and animated movies are creating a fascinating backdrop. I'd argue worldbuilding was almost better than gameplay itself
One thing that I've been toying with is the potential of creating an "anti-necromorph" scenario. I/E, if you were to create a plan with the express purpose of combating the necromorphs, how would you go about it? For instance, we see in the movies and games that some of the primary reasons that the necromorph outbreak on Aegis 7 and the Ishimura were able to spread so quickly were due unitologist sabotage (stockpiling of bodies on the colony and ship, sabotaging systems and the response so that you hinder any attempt at making an organized effort, and committing mas suicide to fuel the horde). So, if you were to be in command of a ship such as the Ishimura and you had to deal with a necromorph outbreak, what would you do to either contain or destroy, or failing that attempt to keep the crew alive for as long as possible? (For the sake of the scenario, immediately destroying the marker is off the table; even if you can destroy it, it should be an absolute last resort.) Personally I think the idea of consolidating in and fortifying certain decks was a good idea, maybe set up a system where you attempt to cremate as many bodies as you can to destroy biomass, but how would you get around the breakdown in communications? How would you prevent the necromorphs from using vents?
You are very well put together with your videos! I want to see you one day explode in popularity. And you will if you keep this up! Especially with the new dead space remake, hope there’s a little more lore we can squeeze out of the remake
I wonder what effect removing the marker from.a fully post convergence brother moon would have? Like if we drilled into his guts and cut his marker out while he was alive?
I have a question Does the number of red markers on a planet influence the signal strength during convergence? For example, if the population of an entire planet had been killed by necromorphs, does a single black marker alone could send all the biomass into space, or does the native species of the planet have to create several red markers across the planet for the convergence to be successfull ? (As on Tau Volantis) I think the 2nd option is more reasonable Also, why did a convergence start on the Sprawl ? I don't think there was enough biomass to create a moon (I may be wrong) Maybe there can be little moon, much bigger than a hive mind but smaller than a moon Like in Halo with proto-gravemind then gravemind
@@nihilityjoey wdym the marker on the pedestal ? (Marker 3A ?) The pedestal was not used to trigger a convergence, it was made only to amplify the dead space effect of the marker. Why do you refer the convergence marker as the pedestal marker ? There's no need for a pedestal for convergence
@@nihilityjoey Actually, the Flood and Necromorphs have a few similarities. Like growths or appendages like claws bursting out of the flesh and both can technically start with just the basic cells.
The moons not making the markers due to lacking materials? Don't the moons also comprise of chunks of the planet as well as all that biomass? Pretty sure I remember that being a thing in Dead Space 3 maybe.
I think he meant that like a Virus. The moons need an intelligent society to build the Markers. Then convergence happens and all the Markers made by the intelligent race are used to spread the outbreak further.
So you believe the marker is able to protect itself, that’s why the dead space field exists. Ok. But I still don’t understand why the red marker from Aegis 7 would want to be placed on the magnification pedestal. And it makes even less sense to me when you remove the information brought about by dead space 3.
I would imagine the blood moons knew that a small science team wouldn't have been enough biomass for convergence so they allowed it to happen in hopes of more life falling into the trap which they eventually did. The markers do not want they are like a device used by the recombinate and the moons to stimulate them.
Impossible to say at this point but evidence in dead space martyr and dead space 2 just suggest that the marker was created first but that's up to interpretation.
I hope with coming of dead space remake they(EA/MOTIVE STUDIO) begun expand lore and. new books, comic books and animations are made and the world of dead space is revived. And most important question in dead space lore.what race in our galaxy or maybe other galaxies? gave this hell to the universe?
When the title said (old version), I was hoping it was going to be a review of the old version of the Marker lore, where the Marker is actually a suppressant for the Hive Mind, which is the true source of the necromorphs, and encourages people through visions to place it back on it's pedestal so it can stop the Hive Mind, but whatever.
To me Dead Space 3's goofy reveal of big bad moons is never going to be canon and they need to redo the entire game because of that. If someone from the present had traveled back in time and told me that the main antagonists of Dead Space, a series made famous for its depraved, creative, horrific villain designs, was actually just a bunch of big angry moons, I would have punched them in the face and called them a stupid liar. There is cleary WIRITING on the markers. Some form of incredibly intelligent race of beings with vast knowledge of biology created the markers for an unknown reason. This mystery is one of the coolest and scariest things in the Dead Space mythos and the cop-out that big moons are the real masterminds behind the markers is by far one of the dumbest story ideas I have ever seen in gaming history. Remake 1, remaster 2, and completely remake every aspect of 3 and we'll have the best horror trilogy of all time.
Again, I ask this question everywhere, but where does it say that Black Markers are created by the Moons? (Don't tell me about the wiki where it doesn't have any sources for this theory) I find it very stupid too and I prefer the idea that an extraterrestrial race is behind the creation of black markers.
@@nihilityjoey they weren't you idiot. They never existed until 3. You clearly never understood the Dead Space lore and story. Its sad but not surprising, you can go back to enjoying Fortnite now. We Dead Space fans can stay here.
@@nihilityjoey the black markers are the original markers sent into space by we don't know what, isn't it ? I agree that the red markers can be sent into space during a convergence event or even by the moon itself after merging with them, but what about the black markers ? They are special in the sense that we do not know exactly where they come from and who makes them.
But in reality humanity calls the black marker the "original marker" because it's from it that they built the red markers, but the black marker is probably just another marker created by another intelligent species in the universe, which was the victim of another convergence event a long time ago. But that doesn't change the fact that a first marker must have been created by something 🤔
Regarding the "dead space field," I believe it's an infiltration tactic. Markers likely get discovered by small exploration parties, so if they were infected immediately, the ability to spread further would be halted by the small pool of victims and the virus would snuff itself out. By creating the field, markers gather larger populations around it as they are investigated, moved around, copied, etc. Then the trap springs once the victims unknowingly leave the field and it spreads outward, trapping the population within the dead space field who will eventually succumb. I suppose a Convergence event triggers the deactivation of the dead space field since it's no longer required, as enough victims have been gathered.
The Church of Unitology thanks you for your efforts in bring this information to the masses about the holy Marker! Praise be to Altman!
Fucking _ROCK-LOVERS_
Altman be praised. Convergence is coming!
You people are UNBELIEVABLE!
Altman be praised 😂
Damn marker heads
A plasma cutter wouldn't be the best weapon a Popeyes biscuit would decimate a necromorph no challenge
Yea those fuckers are indestructible😑
@@jaymeans8299 🤣
New Dead Space lore video before work? Praise Altman!
I was always fascinated by the markers and they are still interesting to me, even after 10 years.
A beautiful double helix of death
@introverted Crow the double helix of a wonderful life after death and rebirth
@introverted Crow the double helix of a wonderful life after death and rebirth
So what came first?
The Marker or the Brethren moon?
I think there was some long gone race that wanted immortality, came up with convergence and
all merged into the first moon.
They get to live forever but they have to be apex predator cosmozoans constantly cycling the process over and over.
I figure the Brethren Moons use the Markers to transfer power, rather than create power. The Brethren Moons will test a new Marker first to make sure they can influence through it,and if so they will transfer power to that Marker. This ensures that the Brethren Moons have the link to the new location, and if someone tries to build a Marker without that influence link they do not get the power benefits
I always wondered about the red marker and the Pedestal it was put on. We know, through lore, that the Pedestal was created to amplify the dead space signal stopping the outbreak when the marker was first tested on Ages 7 but what if it changed the marker as well?
Once the marker was taken off the Pedestal the Necromorph infestation started up and once it was put back the infestation ended. All Necromorph fall over 'dead'.
If the marker's plan is convergence then tricking Issac to put it back on the Pedestal is a bad plan because it would stop the Necromorphs. So that would be smart for it to trick the limited biomass.
It didn’t want it back on the pedestal. It wanted it on the planet to start the convergence event, from what I recall?
@@sussybaka6939 As soon as the Marker is placed back on the pedestal every single necromorph 'died' and "Nicole", the Marker, thanked Issac. "Thank you, Isaac. I always believed in you. I knew you return to me. We are whole again, Issac... we are whole..." Then it released a field that took down the gravity tethers.
After some more thinking, i got a new theory on what happened. The pedestal amplified the marker signal allowing it to infect Isaac's mind. Stross got the marker codes after holding it.
My guess is getting the codes from the marker signal takes time if you are close to it and nearly instant when you hold it and at the moment the marker was made whole with the pedestal it could upload the marker codes fully into Isaac's mind. The tethers failing was to give him motivation to get the fuck off the planet.
The pedestal is said in the text log to be a transmitter that amplifies the Marker's signal. Not just the "dead space". The doctors might've initially built it so they could use the "dead space" to protect themselves, but that wasn't its sole purpose.
I believe the reason for the infestation stopping once the Marker was replaced is because the Marker was not originally intended to be the source of the outbreak. That would be the monster at the end or something. The Marker was intended to be a device to keep the monster and it's outbreak at bay, and by removing it from the pedestal, the Marker would give people visions and encourage them to put it back in order to curb them outbreak. That's why the Necromorph outbreak stopped after Isaac replaced the Marker. At least, that's what I read from a comment a few years ago. After Dead Space 2, however, that was not the case anymore.
Fun fact: in Dead Space’s french version the Markers are called the Monoliths
Stalker SOC moment
We thank you oh monolith
Wow, i was mistaken about the lore, thanks for give us a correct version of it.
You people do know Altman was against the marker and unitology right.
That’s perhaps the greatest irony of unitology and it tickled me to no end when I first read Martyr. The man that all these people worship like rural southerners worship Jesus was literally just like “nah fack off” and tried to destroy them.
Maybe the ones that became Unitoligists had some weaker code put in their minds and it passed on genetically so when they heard about The Marker they needed to Worship it.
And that's why they worship him too because he let them know about it.
@@TheCorrodedMan Was that a jab at rural southerners? The Hell is wrong with you
@@fiddlesticks7245 James is a garden variety bigot that thinks he's an elite. The irony is, if anything, Altman is akin to Hubbard, literally telling people his religion (it became Scientology) was fake from the get-go, but the Tom Cruises and other Scientologists saw the value in hijacking the cult for their own purposes.
@@fiddlesticks7245 Yes, yes it was. Having lived among those Chuds for the majority of my life, I can say with absolute certainty that they are, to a man, absolute god-tier mutants that will picket the funeral of the man who cures cancer if he just so happens to be gay/black/Asian/any ethnicity other than white/believed in anything other than Christ. Tell me I’m wrong and I will call you a bold faced liar. And for the record, bigotry implies that I hate them because of their culture or beliefs; I don’t. I hate them because they are a gaggle of prejudiced idiots who still think of themselves as Antebellum royalty despite the fact that they live in conditions that would be cruel to a maggot and entertain themselves with creative suicide attempts.
The Markers are one of the best science fiction object/thing. Very interesting and deviously deceptive. Free energy in exchage of body mass, a great way to redduce the over population.
When the remake drops these are gonna blow up.
Careful you don't have Unitologists knocking on your door mate.
A new vid Altman be praised!!!
Dude I just found your Channel and as a DEAD-icated Dead Space fan ( played 1 eight times 3 once and 2 18 times seen both movies and the walkthrough of the Nintendo game ) I can safely say your Channel is EPIC.
I have a WHAT IF for you if that's ok.
What if They Discoverd a Marker on LV 426 right after The Queen laid her first egg gives The Necros a chance to get started and gives The Xenos a chance too as well you can even extend it too the movies like a series The Xenos and The Necros showing up where Ripley is.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
Dead Space universe is amazing, both the deep backstory and recent, more spin-off focused stories like comics and animated movies are creating a fascinating backdrop. I'd argue worldbuilding was almost better than gameplay itself
One thing that I've been toying with is the potential of creating an "anti-necromorph" scenario. I/E, if you were to create a plan with the express purpose of combating the necromorphs, how would you go about it? For instance, we see in the movies and games that some of the primary reasons that the necromorph outbreak on Aegis 7 and the Ishimura were able to spread so quickly were due unitologist sabotage (stockpiling of bodies on the colony and ship, sabotaging systems and the response so that you hinder any attempt at making an organized effort, and committing mas suicide to fuel the horde).
So, if you were to be in command of a ship such as the Ishimura and you had to deal with a necromorph outbreak, what would you do to either contain or destroy, or failing that attempt to keep the crew alive for as long as possible? (For the sake of the scenario, immediately destroying the marker is off the table; even if you can destroy it, it should be an absolute last resort.)
Personally I think the idea of consolidating in and fortifying certain decks was a good idea, maybe set up a system where you attempt to cremate as many bodies as you can to destroy biomass, but how would you get around the breakdown in communications? How would you prevent the necromorphs from using vents?
You are very well put together with your videos! I want to see you one day explode in popularity. And you will if you keep this up! Especially with the new dead space remake, hope there’s a little more lore we can squeeze out of the remake
The Dead Space universe has really epic lore - In a both creepy and fascinating way!
You may need help if you find this fascinating
Always wondered why they didnt edit the dna to self kill and over replicate.
Heres the question
Who made the very very first marker
Did an alien race make it and went horriblely wrong?
probably. The first marker was just an experiment gone wild of a forgotten race to become immortal
@@mineis3andhalfinches865 where can I find more about this cut content?
Play Dead Space 3, how don't you know?
10:15 that one person always camping
What happens if it finds stupid life? Not unintelligent lifeforms but actively moronic ones? What happens?
The same thing?
Dude this is amazing I just wanted lore on dead space becuse I just started playing again on ps3 and you came out with tons of great shit. Ty man
I wonder what effect removing the marker from.a fully post convergence brother moon would have? Like if we drilled into his guts and cut his marker out while he was alive?
It would just throw out the marker from its core
👏 Wow! Love it of your lore! About the Markers that was cool.
Aldman be praised!
U already failed it’s altman bruh
@@minceraftfornite4334 This dude got minecraft in his name and he's running his mouth lmao
I have a question
Does the number of red markers on a planet influence the signal strength during convergence?
For example, if the population of an entire planet had been killed by necromorphs, does a single black marker alone could send all the biomass into space, or does the native species of the planet have to create several red markers across the planet for the convergence to be successfull ? (As on Tau Volantis)
I think the 2nd option is more reasonable
Also, why did a convergence start on the Sprawl ? I don't think there was enough biomass to create a moon (I may be wrong)
Maybe there can be little moon, much bigger than a hive mind but smaller than a moon
Like in Halo with proto-gravemind then gravemind
@@nihilityjoey wdym the marker on the pedestal ? (Marker 3A ?) The pedestal was not used to trigger a convergence, it was made only to amplify the dead space effect of the marker.
Why do you refer the convergence marker as the pedestal marker ? There's no need for a pedestal for convergence
@@nihilityjoey Actually, the Flood and Necromorphs have a few similarities. Like growths or appendages like claws bursting out of the flesh and both can technically start with just the basic cells.
DEAD SPACE videos are coming again! I'm so happy!!
I think the marker's color is determined by materials used in crafting
Great breakdown and documentary.
So, you don't think the marker influences the population of a planet to get into a state were the marker's power is needed ?
so they're basically a devious af Trojan horse. yowch
The moons not making the markers due to lacking materials? Don't the moons also comprise of chunks of the planet as well as all that biomass?
Pretty sure I remember that being a thing in Dead Space 3 maybe.
I think he meant that like a Virus. The moons need an intelligent society to build the Markers. Then convergence happens and all the Markers made by the intelligent race are used to spread the outbreak further.
Superb explanation, thanks!
So you believe the marker is able to protect itself, that’s why the dead space field exists. Ok.
But I still don’t understand why the red marker from Aegis 7 would want to be placed on the magnification pedestal. And it makes even less sense to me when you remove the information brought about by dead space 3.
I would imagine the blood moons knew that a small science team wouldn't have been enough biomass for convergence so they allowed it to happen in hopes of more life falling into the trap which they eventually did. The markers do not want they are like a device used by the recombinate and the moons to stimulate them.
@@TheBritishRunner that’s interesting. Would be amazing if that’s actually what they were thinking when creating the sorry.
Dead Space is one of my favorites
So who came first? The Marker or the Moon?
Impossible to say at this point but evidence in dead space martyr and dead space 2 just suggest that the marker was created first but that's up to interpretation.
Nice vid as always man, you should do one about why the aegis VII marker wanted to seemingly stop the outbreak
I hope with coming of dead space remake they(EA/MOTIVE STUDIO) begun expand lore and. new books, comic books and animations are made and the world of dead space is revived.
And most important question in dead space lore.what race in our galaxy or maybe other galaxies? gave this hell to the universe?
Awesome video :D
Altman was a hack good vid btw
Long story short- eldritch horror moon's sperm
*Make us whole*
When the title said (old version), I was hoping it was going to be a review of the old version of the Marker lore, where the Marker is actually a suppressant for the Hive Mind, which is the true source of the necromorphs, and encourages people through visions to place it back on it's pedestal so it can stop the Hive Mind, but whatever.
Praise Altman!
To me Dead Space 3's goofy reveal of big bad moons is never going to be canon and they need to redo the entire game because of that. If someone from the present had traveled back in time and told me that the main antagonists of Dead Space, a series made famous for its depraved, creative, horrific villain designs, was actually just a bunch of big angry moons, I would have punched them in the face and called them a stupid liar. There is cleary WIRITING on the markers. Some form of incredibly intelligent race of beings with vast knowledge of biology created the markers for an unknown reason. This mystery is one of the coolest and scariest things in the Dead Space mythos and the cop-out that big moons are the real masterminds behind the markers is by far one of the dumbest story ideas I have ever seen in gaming history. Remake 1, remaster 2, and completely remake every aspect of 3 and we'll have the best horror trilogy of all time.
Again, I ask this question everywhere, but where does it say that Black Markers are created by the Moons?
(Don't tell me about the wiki where it doesn't have any sources for this theory)
I find it very stupid too and I prefer the idea that an extraterrestrial race is behind the creation of black markers.
@@nihilityjoey they weren't you idiot. They never existed until 3. You clearly never understood the Dead Space lore and story. Its sad but not surprising, you can go back to enjoying Fortnite now. We Dead Space fans can stay here.
@@nihilityjoey the black markers are the original markers sent into space by we don't know what, isn't it ?
I agree that the red markers can be sent into space during a convergence event or even by the moon itself after merging with them, but what about the black markers ? They are special in the sense that we do not know exactly where they come from and who makes them.
But in reality humanity calls the black marker the "original marker" because it's from it that they built the red markers, but the black marker is probably just another marker created by another intelligent species in the universe, which was the victim of another convergence event a long time ago.
But that doesn't change the fact that a first marker must have been created by something 🤔
Make us whole.
2001 space Odyssey
Dead space
Mass effect
Which storyline will humanity see become reality first? Haha
nice
Mark of the b3ast
maahka