Thank you! This video made it possible for me to attach a privacy fence to my existing 4' chain link for way less money than I was anticipating! I thought I would have to dig up the old posts (circa. 1950) but once I started, I realized my existing posts were put in with the intention of staying there forever! I know It's been over three years since you posted this video but believe me my friend. You opened my eyes to the world of fence brackets in such a way that I can only say, from the bottom of my heart and the hearts of my boys that helped me and wife, that loved the savings!!!! Thank you for posting this Revolution Fence!!! You saved me a hurt load of time and money just by showing me the sweet proficiency of practical bracketry! Peace to you -Jeff & Family!!!
Helpful tip: The second bracket shows 3 DRYWALL screws on each side. Use proper exterior-rated screws - especially if you are going the distance to install a proper bracket. Just a helpful tip guys!
You think you could've put together the bracket and screws you normally use because you would have a bunch right there because you normally use them. How often do you hang drywall?? That is strange isn't it.
Would it make more sense to use a large enough self-tapping screw, or to drill a hole and run a cross bolt (maybe some sort of carriage bolt even), instead of using that set screw?
In my opinion the weight of the fence is not on the screws but rather the bracket around the post. The simpson bracket hugs the post tightly with multiple points of contact. The other does same with less points of contact. To me the best option would be the 2nd bracket with galvanized bolt going THROUGH the post with not on opposite side. Now the weight of fence would be on the bolt.
My thought as well, but then you would have to drill it by yourself after the height adjustment. The factory could put the holes on the bracket, but the post needs to be drilled during the installation for the bolt to go through (which won't be too difficult).
The weight of the fence is transferred from the fence to the bracket via the screws. If you're bench pressing, yes, the bench is bearing the load on the bar, but your arms are transferring the weight from the bar to the bench. Same principle. And like that, your arms will be the limiting factor even if the bench you're laying on can support much more weight.
Yes exactly, I think the protocol would be to just keep an eye on the Simpson brackets and if the screws start pulling out you can remove them and drill out the hole and put long bolts in all the way through as needed. You going to need to start with screws anyways.
On the first bracket it looks as though the post bolt was tightened after it was mounted to the rails, hence giving it a warped appearance. On the second bracket those look like drywall screws. Nothing galvanized or zinc coated.
No, the Simpson bracket DOES have a threaded hole for the 'cross bolt' which holds the bolt tight like a locking washer. The tighter you make it the less 'aligned' the two holes become which is what holds that bolt secure from ever loosening by itself. Wood fence panels will always sag over time and that sagging pulls the bracket in opposite directions which should only make that bolt become TIGHTER over time. These brackets are designed to never slip or loosen to the metal post once secured. The lag screws attaching the brackets to the fence panels may/can loosen over time just due to weathering and when the fence is subjected to strong winds (or a dog jumping against it for example). The lag screws come a little loose over time but not much.
I was looking for this setup so thank you. I do have a question though my non-engineering mind says that pinch bolt in the better bracket is a weak point. I would think a bolt going into the post would never go anywhere. May I assume you haven’t had any problems with these?
In your second example, you mentioned the pinch bolt screws directly into the post. Would that scratch the galvanized layer of the post? I get a lot of wind and water where I am so I am afraid of the galvanized layer getting scratched and rusting.
Yes that would scratch the galvanized layer. Unless you're going to wrap every single Post in bubble wrap from the time it exits the galvanization machine to the time you put it in the ground the post is going to get scratched regardless the little tiny indention that that bolt makes into the post is infinitely more important than the scratch that leaves doing so
Thank you for the video. What type of steel posts do you use or recommend? SCH40? I was going to use 2 3/8" posts that are 16 gauge because that's what they sell at the big box stores. But many have told me that's too weak for a wood fence and I should get SCH40. However, its so hard to find those at a retail store that sells to the public. Thank you!
Interesting video! In my woodworking, I like to come up with clever ways of eliminating brackets by using wood, if possible, so years ago when the fence around my new home in the suburbs started failing due to our frequent windstorms, and to the initial contractor’s annoying use of 4x4s that rot through… I started replacing the 4x4s with metal fence poles, but I eliminated the need for brackets by drilling 2-1/4” holes in the 2x4 rails and their supporting 2x4 brackets. It has worked great and I’ve never had to replace one due to wind. I wish I could post pictures of it, but TH-cam doesn’t allow it. 🙁
greedyg76 I also don't think an argument can be made that the setscrew is better. The bolt clamping around the tube is a better design and if you were really that worried about it coming off you could add a lock nut.
Hi, we put this small section of fence together just to show the brackets we use. We actually use high quality exterior screws for constructing our customer fences. We have edited the video to note this now. Thanks
Appears that the wrong type of screws were used. The heads on the screws should be flat since it will be in contact with the metal bracket. The tapered head of that screw, means that it is for connecting wood to wood.
So not only did you use drywall screws instead of coated deck screws, but you neglected to put the 4th screw in the bottom on each side of the bracket. That 4th actually locks the post in as much as 2 of the other screws.
I have 4 ft chain link I want to use the existing posts to bracket on 6ft wooden privacy fence. Will the existing 4 ft steel posts have enough stability to support 6ft fence panels or do I need to slip a larger diameter pipe over the existing posts to make them 6ft? I’ve seen it done both ways on TH-cam. Thanks.
They sell a 27" extension pipe the same diameter that slides into the existing pipe. Here's the link for the brackets incase you need it. amzn.to/2UqGLCL
I saw this video a while back when researching my fence project. I found a similar product at my local Lowes store. I bought them and after using some of them I am not as fond of them. They are adjustable which would help those building on a slope. Instructions defy logic and tell you to install the shelf part of the bracket on the top of the board, That throws out the extra support feature I was looking for. Also, the bracket bolts together with 2 carriage bolts. the round head of the bolt causes the board to not fit flush and cause it to turn when tightening. My advise is look for the type in the video that is non adjustable and purchase online. A couple of people have posted different links where they can be bought.
Thanks will look those up ASAP about to start on my Fence already have Metal Post in place just need hardWare. Also what type of screw is good enough for this Job, well to screw into the fence slates and the 2X4's.
I like the shelf style brackets I generally buy these at HD the smaller ones usually go for 3$ but once jumping up to a 2-7/8" bracket they run 12$ which is odd being the shelf bracket is same as ones for smaller posts the metal piece that wraps around a wider pole is only difference which costs 9$ more doesnt make sense..
All the weight of the fence rests on that one tiny pinch bolt. I can see one kid climbing the fence, and the whole fence slides down until it hits the soil. It would be strong if there were two side bolts that went INTO a hole on the vertical posts. That is the weak link and the fail point. I’d prefer the first fastener because of that
Short answer, time. Does little bolt come pre-mounted in the bracket. You would have to not only drive the screw through the post which is really really thick but you would also have to use a punch to indent the pole to be able to screw the self-tapping screw into. not conducive to a quick job.
The only thing I don't like about these metal post fences is you have to put the fence on one side or the other of the post. Wish their was a bracket that would let you put boards to it like a traditional wood post.
👍 🙌 Hallelujah. What a wonderful idea. 😁 Sometimes I don't know what is needed for finding a solution for a certain problem 😂 Thank you for the video 💐 Efrat Israel.🍍
I have to agree with a few others. I always appreciate good tutorial or knowledge building videos, but presenting this as a PRO fence builder video, novices are watching closely. Why on earth would you use weak, NON-SUITABLE, common drywall screws? Especially when emphasizing how durable the brackets are! Not only are these going to break easily, but also leave the stain streaks. Isn't that like in the top three biggest DON'TS? Nice video otherwise.
Hi Tim, this particular fence panel was put together mostly to use for showing off the brackets we use. We actually use high quality exterior type screws when building fences for customers. We have also made note of this in the video now too. Thanks
+Revolution Fence Thanks for the reply. Really hate to criticize an otherwise very nice video. jyst so many "how too's"..that could get a novice in trouble if they don't know otherwise.
I am buying a house that has a 4 foot chain link fence. We do not want to spend lots of money. We just want to block the view to help keep our dogs from barking every time they see neighbors or mail man, etc.
Thank you! This video made it possible for me to attach a privacy fence to my existing 4' chain link for way less money than I was anticipating! I thought I would have to dig up the old posts (circa. 1950) but once I started, I realized my existing posts were put in with the intention of staying there forever! I know It's been over three years since you posted this video but believe me my friend. You opened my eyes to the world of fence brackets in such a way that I can only say, from the bottom of my heart and the hearts of my boys that helped me and wife, that loved the savings!!!! Thank you for posting this Revolution Fence!!! You saved me a hurt load of time and money just by showing me the sweet proficiency of practical bracketry! Peace to you -Jeff & Family!!!
Could you post a picture of the 4 ft fence adaptation Jeff Lambert?
Helpful tip: The second bracket shows 3 DRYWALL screws on each side. Use proper exterior-rated screws - especially if you are going the distance to install a proper bracket. Just a helpful tip guys!
Yeah, we put this together just to show the type of brackets we use. We don't actually use these type of screws on the customer fences we build.
+Revolution Fence what type of brackets are those.
+Revolution Fence the second brackets
You think you could've put together the bracket and screws you normally use because you would have a bunch right there because you normally use them. How often do you hang drywall?? That is strange isn't it.
@@mattwood4912 LOL interesting points there, Matt!
Would it make more sense to use a large enough self-tapping screw, or to drill a hole and run a cross bolt (maybe some sort of carriage bolt even), instead of using that set screw?
In my opinion the weight of the fence is not on the screws but rather the bracket around the post. The simpson bracket hugs the post tightly with multiple points of contact. The other does same with less points of contact. To me the best option would be the 2nd bracket with galvanized bolt going THROUGH the post with not on opposite side. Now the weight of fence would be on the bolt.
My thought as well, but then you would have to drill it by yourself after the height adjustment. The factory could put the holes on the bracket, but the post needs to be drilled during the installation for the bolt to go through (which won't be too difficult).
The weight of the fence is transferred from the fence to the bracket via the screws. If you're bench pressing, yes, the bench is bearing the load on the bar, but your arms are transferring the weight from the bar to the bench. Same principle. And like that, your arms will be the limiting factor even if the bench you're laying on can support much more weight.
Yes exactly, I think the protocol would be to just keep an eye on the Simpson brackets and if the screws start pulling out you can remove them and drill out the hole and put long bolts in all the way through as needed. You going to need to start with screws anyways.
On the first bracket it looks as though the post bolt was tightened after it was mounted to the rails, hence giving it a warped appearance. On the second bracket those look like drywall screws. Nothing galvanized or zinc coated.
No, the Simpson bracket DOES have a threaded hole for the 'cross bolt' which holds the bolt tight like a locking washer. The tighter you make it the less 'aligned' the two holes become which is what holds that bolt secure from ever loosening by itself. Wood fence panels will always sag over time and that sagging pulls the bracket in opposite directions which should only make that bolt become TIGHTER over time. These brackets are designed to never slip or loosen to the metal post once secured. The lag screws attaching the brackets to the fence panels may/can loosen over time just due to weathering and when the fence is subjected to strong winds (or a dog jumping against it for example). The lag screws come a little loose over time but not much.
DOHC2L ya I quit listening when he said it would loosen over time. If he’s that worried just throw a jam nut on it . Worthless video
Well said, it was a bad picture used for this review
Just an FYI, Hoover Fence Supplies sells these brackets for about $5.
Yes But their shipping costs are outrageous........ I was going to order 50 of these and the wanted almost 100 bucks for 3 day shipping
I was looking for this setup so thank you. I do have a question though my non-engineering mind says that pinch bolt in the better bracket is a weak point. I would think a bolt going into the post would never go anywhere. May I assume you haven’t had any problems with these?
You can see the quick deterioration of the 2x4 which can be prevented by sloping the top using a power paner and then sealing with a wood sealer.
In your second example, you mentioned the pinch bolt screws directly into the post. Would that scratch the galvanized layer of the post? I get a lot of wind and water where I am so I am afraid of the galvanized layer getting scratched and rusting.
Yes that would scratch the galvanized layer. Unless you're going to wrap every single Post in bubble wrap from the time it exits the galvanization machine to the time you put it in the ground the post is going to get scratched regardless the little tiny indention that that bolt makes into the post is infinitely more important than the scratch that leaves doing so
Thanks for the demonstration . We will be using this in Florida to rebuild with after the hurricanes.
Thank you for the video. What type of steel posts do you use or recommend? SCH40? I was going to use 2 3/8" posts that are 16 gauge because that's what they sell at the big box stores. But many have told me that's too weak for a wood fence and I should get SCH40. However, its so hard to find those at a retail store that sells to the public. Thank you!
Check a lumber yard that sells fence pickets. And yes, chain link posts are too flimsy for wood fence
Interesting video!
In my woodworking, I like to come up with clever ways of eliminating brackets by using wood, if possible, so years ago when the fence around my new home in the suburbs started failing due to our frequent windstorms, and to the initial contractor’s annoying use of 4x4s that rot through… I started replacing the 4x4s with metal fence poles, but I eliminated the need for brackets by drilling 2-1/4” holes in the 2x4 rails and their supporting 2x4 brackets. It has worked great and I’ve never had to replace one due to wind. I wish I could post pictures of it, but TH-cam doesn’t allow it. 🙁
plz due want to see wat u mean it sounds better
nice bracket, and then you go an use common drywall screws... uh
greedyg76 I also don't think an argument can be made that the setscrew is better. The bolt clamping around the tube is a better design and if you were really that worried about it coming off you could add a lock nut.
Hi, we put this small section of fence together just to show the brackets we use. We actually use high quality exterior screws for constructing our customer fences. We have edited the video to note this now. Thanks
greedyg76 hehehe, nice catch
Exactly
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Why would you use drywall screws to hold the bracket instead of exterior screws, or even better bolts?
The holes arent big enough to use lag bolts of any size. For reference, watch the video for the shot looking up at the under side of the bracket
Appears that the wrong type of screws were used. The heads on the screws should be flat since it will be in contact with the metal bracket. The tapered head of that screw, means that it is for connecting wood to wood.
So not only did you use drywall screws instead of coated deck screws, but you neglected to put the 4th screw in the bottom on each side of the bracket. That 4th actually locks the post in as much as 2 of the other screws.
I have 4 ft chain link I want to use the existing posts to bracket on 6ft wooden privacy fence. Will the existing 4 ft steel posts have enough stability to support 6ft fence panels or do I need to slip a larger diameter pipe over the existing posts to make them 6ft? I’ve seen it done both ways on TH-cam. Thanks.
They sell a 27" extension pipe the same diameter that slides into the existing pipe. Here's the link for the brackets incase you need it. amzn.to/2UqGLCL
What about an inclining/declining fence? These would be useless
I saw this video a while back when researching my fence project. I found a similar product at my local Lowes store. I bought them and after using some of them I am not as fond of them. They are adjustable which would help those building on a slope. Instructions defy logic and tell you to install the shelf part of the bracket on the top of the board, That throws out the extra support feature I was looking for. Also, the bracket bolts together with 2 carriage bolts. the round head of the bolt causes the board to not fit flush and cause it to turn when tightening.
My advise is look for the type in the video that is non adjustable and purchase online. A couple of people have posted different links where they can be bought.
Thanks will look those up ASAP about to start on my Fence already have Metal Post in place just need hardWare. Also what type of screw is good enough for this Job, well to screw into the fence slates and the 2X4's.
I like the shelf style brackets I generally buy these at HD the smaller ones usually go for 3$ but once jumping up to a 2-7/8" bracket they run 12$ which is odd being the shelf bracket is same as ones for smaller posts the metal piece that wraps around a wider pole is only difference which costs 9$ more doesnt make sense..
Those brackets would be perfect for my needs which are to attach bamboo fencing to horizontal 2x4's.
All the weight of the fence rests on that one tiny pinch bolt. I can see one kid climbing the fence, and the whole fence slides down until it hits the soil. It would be strong if there were two side bolts that went INTO a hole on the vertical posts. That is the weak link and the fail point. I’d prefer the first fastener because of that
Does anyone know where he got that second bracket? A link would be helpful.
Home depot has them
Just got some through Amazon. They have a wide selection.
Where can I get the kind of bracket? ( the strong one ) Thank you
If u use that metal, do u need to add concrete too or not for the pole?
How tall is the fence? I am trying to build a 6ft privacy fence. Would these brackets work with the just to brackets per post?
I’m interested in the bracket can they be ordered online?
Can you provide links to purchase the brackets?
What do you use for the corners?
Where can you get the bracke.
From Neil schwerdt 😊
Awesome product. Where can I buy these ? Can you share details about the product name and the website of the company that makes it ?
Here you go Christopher! amzn.to/2UqGLCL
Why not put a self tapping screw through the strap into the post ??
It won’t slip
Short answer, time.
Does little bolt come pre-mounted in the bracket. You would have to not only drive the screw through the post which is really really thick but you would also have to use a punch to indent the pole to be able to screw the self-tapping screw into. not conducive to a quick job.
Do you have a video of a chain link fence to a horizontal wood fence project you can share?
The only thing I don't like about these metal post fences is you have to put the fence on one side or the other of the post. Wish their was a bracket that would let you put boards to it like a traditional wood post.
I’m having problems finding these brackets. Is there a link? Need some help please. Thanks!!
Here you go Gantry! I hope it helps! amzn.to/2UqGLCL
Manny's How To Workshop Thanks!
How do you use these with non-180 angles?
I in the UK how much are these and do you deliver what's the total cost thanks
Here you go Mohammad! amzn.to/2UqGLCL
Hi I am living in Hawaii I saw your video , it is amazing, are you selling fence brackets, I see yours , It is perfect brackets
I need a couple of these fence brackets to hold a 2 inch pole to a fence post, does anybody know where I can get them in the UK?
Here you go Penn! amzn.to/2UqGLCL
Use 1/4 x 1 1/4 Lag screws, not drywall screws.
Lag bolts wont fit intio the screw holes. USE COATED 1 ¹/⁴ COATED DECK SCREWS WITH TORX HEADS
👍 🙌 Hallelujah. What a wonderful idea. 😁 Sometimes I don't know what is needed for finding a solution for a certain problem 😂 Thank you for the video 💐 Efrat Israel.🍍
There’s a better one designed like the #2 bracket you showed, its adjustable for building on a slope.
Do you know what it’s called or where it can be found/bought?
Really helpful info for an upcoming project. thanks!
can you recommend good brackets for running a fence on an incline?
There is a version of the same style brackets that is adjustable 4 angle. Check Home Depot
Dry wall screws?? Nice bracket...
the link doesn't work anymore
Not to impressed with your drywall screws there buddy. Well those screws are going to rust.
What are the brackets called? Can't seem to find them
Jonathan Peters Yes, I'm interested in the name also.
hope this helps, domesticfencefittings.com/store/2-1-2-domestic-line-wood-fence-adapters-fits-2-3-8-od.html
they look homemade
They must of been trash. Because the site that sold them don't exist anymore
Post wood adapter
Where can I get those brackets
Use the right screws if you are trying to illustrate your expertise.
How much are these?
I have to agree with a few others. I always appreciate good tutorial or knowledge building videos, but presenting this as a PRO fence builder video, novices are watching closely. Why on earth would you use weak, NON-SUITABLE, common drywall screws? Especially when emphasizing how durable the brackets are! Not only are these going to break easily, but also leave the stain streaks. Isn't that like in the top three biggest DON'TS? Nice video otherwise.
Hi Tim, this particular fence panel was put together mostly to use for showing off the brackets we use. We actually use high quality exterior type screws when building fences for customers. We have also made note of this in the video now too. Thanks
+Revolution Fence Thanks for the reply. Really hate to criticize an otherwise very nice video. jyst so many "how too's"..that could get a novice in trouble if they don't know otherwise.
Thanks for the video, shouldn’t of used sheet rock screws tho
All good unless your posts are 3.5" OD.
Drywall screws?
Where can I find those brackets?
+Roberto C Velásquez
I found them here...
www.hooverfence.com/woodfence/cwaclamp.htm
It's good to see Woodglut have new instructions to save my money and energy to build it.
Found a Link to the company that supplies stuff like this - domesticfencefittings.com/store/wood-fence-hardware.html.
The screws you use ain't worth a crap
Drywall screws…. 👎
It's a fence it needs to be solid. I can't grasp why Americans and Canadians use bloody screws, out a small coach bolt through instead
Too bad there so dam expensive! $6.50 each ,
I am buying a house that has a 4 foot chain link fence. We do not want to spend lots of money. We just want to block the view to help keep our dogs from barking every time they see neighbors or mail man, etc.
Wrong screws...
Ok
I think you need to take some time and go to stodoys website to learn how to make it.
Next time try not to be chewing or sucking your teeth while making a video.