My vote is 1 rev 18. The poi is relatively close on the 1 rev 15 and 20 with consistently small groups. As you said. Not optimal though. Llos like it got whipped into shape fairly decently though
My picks have yet to be selected. But my $0.02 is to choose R+20. Your results are already better than I thought would be achievable. Looking forward to the continuation load video. My guess 1.7 inch smaller group at 600 yds
This is so amazing that you are doing this with your audience’s participation.This is a great learning tool about combination of thing that work and not so well. I also think the 1 rev.18 would be the spot with a little tweaking on powder.Thanks John for all you do for this community.
@@FClassJohn John anything you can add to the time line on the availability of Accuracy one bullet comparator. I know I ask you this before without an answer.If you have info I’m sure a lot of us would be interested.Thanks
@@brucegillespie654 I'm not sure what you mean on the timeline. They've been available since I made the first video last year. Like I've said they just aren't on the website, you have to call for now.
I am training to shoot as well as you at 100 yds with reloads. I am learning to shoot free recoil, and I am going back and forth working on my grip. I used to shoot thumb over the wrist. I tried my thumb alongside the stock and I got bruises on the back of my knuckles.
I feel like 1 rev 20 close to if not under a 1/2" group. I realize it could be a little better, but that should be tight enough to put up a good score? Good luck on Tuesday.
None of these groups is good enough or has the inter-group consistency at the level John shoots at. Forced to pick, I would look between 25 and 30 on the first revolution. It seems like that’s the best vertical groups and has the most similar shaped groups on either side, maybe see if you can tighten up the group sizes by exploring that range. But honestly, is is so interesting to see how your group sizes are totally fried the moment you go down the wrong path in your first test of second test. It’s like those books where you can choose your own story. 1 wrong turn and the whole thing is baked.
I found with my Harrells tuner/brakes after 16 test groups there is usually 3 times the groups are really small. Pick the closest group to 0 as the Harrells tuners are over top of the barrel not on the end of the muzzle like Cortinas tuners. ps: the Harrells tuner/brakes are superior in machined quality, operational and overall appearance looking on the barrels.
Are your competition rifles right bolt left port ? I noticed the rifle you used in this video was . I would think RBLP actions Would be beneficial to right handed F class shooters . I ask this because I think I am going to order RBLP Action for my first F class rifle build
true ; initially when I was testing my Harrels tuner/brake I would test all 16 stages , 5 shot groups 3 times this showed me proof that every 6 to 7 stages I got an acceptable node so now I only test the first 8 stages. It saves ammo but I still to that test 3 times. 1 test of 8 stages is not enough.
with my Harrels tuner/brakes I will get a good node every 6 to 7 stages out of 16 in total when I tune with mine I only go to 8 stages as this will give me one good node for that bullet weight & powder charge.
I'll tell you a cool future video... do a series like this were people pick, then do a new series were you pick and explain why you went different from what the group picked.
Thank you. That's already planned coming up next week. This series I had limited 190gr bullets so I could only go with viewers picks. Next week I go back to my normal load and it will be a much more in depth series with more tests and more chances to pick.
Very hard to say if these groups don't just show normal noise, within 3-shot groups. Whatever, you do I would pick the worst setting and the best setting and then do a 15 shot group with each and compare the results!
I'm going with 30. It has the same poi as 25 and 35 on either side. It might be the tightest shooting but it'll be more consistent and repeatable than most peoples suggestion
50 through 70 are all close and show that the barrel wants to tune here. Nothing crazy going on in that given range. However the 65 is the elephant in the room. The change in point of impact makes me want to ignore it and move to 60 or 70 as the proper setting. I would love to test 60 and 70 again but can't so I will pick 70 .
Between zero and 5 . Or between 50-55. Both reasonable round and in the same POI . The 65-70 is nice but to far apart with so close in tuner setting, I think it's lucky groups...
This is the point where I have to know my limits and abstain. I know you turn the tuner, and that changes the tune, but I have no frame or reference or scale for if moving by 5 is a little, a lot, or moderate. I paused before clicking the "comment" button - I really should at least take a stab at it. 25 and 30 look similar, but have a lot of horizontal stringing. Ironically, 40, 45, R1-0, and R1-5 all have similar centers of the point of impact, so the actual group patterns between them aren't on the level of precision we're looking for. It'd be an okay "plinking" load for just banging steel. Rev1-15 and Rev1-20 look promising, but that's a big vertical shift in the points in impact, comparatively speaking, and Rev1-20 is vertically strung too. I think that if you were intimately familiar with your tuner settings and testing parameters, you could probably use the tuner to stay at that level of precision to match the weather conditions. You'd be safe with Rev1-15 and Rev1-20 then, but that's a tall order. I think that's the best answer you're going to get from me. Good shooting, by the way. They might not be groups you're proud of, but that's on the load and equipment. Your shooting is what allowed all of us to try to read them as they are.
3 shot groups will not give any significant information. I would bet you could pick the worst load, and it would be roughly the same as the load you pick on a 10 or 20 shot string for group size. Your theory only works if you have significant info that the other ones didn't work, with significant shots like 20+. You could have picked 4 or 5 loads and had 20+ rounds each instead of 37, 3 shot groups. You will still have to shoot 10-30 to prove you theory on the load you picked. You could have been 20-60 rounds in and been done. Seems like you wasted more time and components than needed.
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My vote is 1 rev 18. The poi is relatively close on the 1 rev 15 and 20 with consistently small groups. As you said. Not optimal though. Llos like it got whipped into shape fairly decently though
One Revolution to 20. Thanks for sharing.
My picks have yet to be selected. But my $0.02 is to choose R+20. Your results are already better than I thought would be achievable.
Looking forward to the continuation load video. My guess 1.7 inch smaller group at 600 yds
This is so amazing that you are doing this with your audience’s participation.This is a great learning tool about combination of thing that work and not so well. I also think the 1 rev.18 would be the spot with a little tweaking on powder.Thanks John for all you do for this community.
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words and my next test will start this coming week and will be much more in depth compared to this one.
@@FClassJohn John anything you can add to the time line on the availability of Accuracy one bullet comparator. I know I ask you this before without an answer.If you have info I’m sure a lot of us would be interested.Thanks
@@brucegillespie654 I'm not sure what you mean on the timeline. They've been available since I made the first video last year. Like I've said they just aren't on the website, you have to call for now.
@@FClassJohn Thanks for the replies. I have been emailing and one had one response months ago . I will give them a call
I'm voting for 1+18 also since we don't know what's on the other side of 1+20. But... if we have to pick one as tested than 1+20
I am training to shoot as well as you at 100 yds with reloads. I am learning to shoot free recoil, and I am going back and forth working on my grip. I used to shoot thumb over the wrist. I tried my thumb alongside the stock and I got bruises on the back of my knuckles.
One rev +15 is my vote. 3/13/23 8:13PM
Thanks for the vedie man have enjoyed this series.i would pick 1 rev/18 or 68 which ever you want to look at it. Keep up the good work God bless
The tuner sure makes a difference.
Dang homey said when components are low, he just went through 2 pounds of powder😂 😂😂 where You get your primers at😂 😂😂
I feel like 1 rev 20 close to if not under a 1/2" group. I realize it could be a little better, but that should be tight enough to put up a good score? Good luck on Tuesday.
None of these groups is good enough or has the inter-group consistency at the level John shoots at. Forced to pick, I would look between 25 and 30 on the first revolution. It seems like that’s the best vertical groups and has the most similar shaped groups on either side, maybe see if you can tighten up the group sizes by exploring that range.
But honestly, is is so interesting to see how your group sizes are totally fried the moment you go down the wrong path in your first test of second test. It’s like those books where you can choose your own story. 1 wrong turn and the whole thing is baked.
This is what I'm voting as well hopefully John tests this too just for fun. Would be interesting
Looks like your beard came back in nicely...
Yeah I figured it would. 👍🏻
Cool video series, very interested to see how it turns out. Keep up the great work. 1 rev 15
Thanks! Will do! I have the next series of these videos coming up next week. I'll be switching to the 180gr Hybrids this time.
My money is on the 1 Rev 15 area. This is cool because I get to see how it's done before I go bumblefuck around on my own
Thank you
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This series is a great idea John. Thanks for taking us along.
Glad you enjoyed it and more coming.
Enjoying the load development series! For the next turner test will you be testing at a similar station pressure?
I found with my Harrells tuner/brakes after 16 test groups there is usually 3 times the groups are really small.
Pick the closest group to 0 as the Harrells tuners are over top of the barrel not on the end of the muzzle like Cortinas tuners.
ps: the Harrells tuner/brakes are superior in machined quality, operational and overall appearance looking on the barrels.
Are your competition rifles right bolt left port ?
I noticed the rifle you used in this video was . I would think RBLP actions Would be beneficial to right handed F class shooters .
I ask this because I think I am going to order RBLP Action for my first F class rifle build
Nice groups
I’d test more between 15-20 to see if you can eliminate the minor vertical
true ; initially when I was testing my Harrels tuner/brake I would test all 16 stages , 5 shot groups 3 times
this showed me proof that every 6 to 7 stages I got an acceptable node so now I only test the first 8 stages.
It saves ammo but I still to that test 3 times. 1 test of 8 stages is not enough.
with my Harrels tuner/brakes I will get a good node every 6 to 7 stages out of 16 in total
when I tune with mine I only go to 8 stages as this will give me one good node for that bullet weight & powder charge.
Good info. I'm investigating a new 7mm barrel (284 Win). This will help heaps.
Glad you're enjoying it and that it's helping.
I´ll go with the last 20 setting
Super interesting
Thanks for watching
I’d be looking at 25-30.
1 + 20 looks decent
#15 on the bottom and your should have listened to me on the first video..53.8 was the right load! 🙂
I'll tell you a cool future video... do a series like this were people pick, then do a new series were you pick and explain why you went different from what the group picked.
Thank you. That's already planned coming up next week. This series I had limited 190gr bullets so I could only go with viewers picks. Next week I go back to my normal load and it will be a much more in depth series with more tests and more chances to pick.
1+20 for the win
around the last 20 setting
I too would select 1 Rev 18
Very hard to say if these groups don't just show normal noise, within 3-shot groups. Whatever, you do I would pick the worst setting and the best setting and then do a 15 shot group with each and compare the results!
I'm going with 30. It has the same poi as 25 and 35 on either side. It might be the tightest shooting but it'll be more consistent and repeatable than most peoples suggestion
1 Rev+ 15, Trying around the 1 Rev+ 5 area might be better. This is a tough one!
20 if 22 is reasonable too, otherwise between 15 and 20.
I’m in at 1 + 18, as well.
50 through 70 are all close and show that the barrel wants to tune here. Nothing crazy going on in that given range. However the 65 is the elephant in the room. The change in point of impact makes me want to ignore it and move to 60 or 70 as the proper setting. I would love to test 60 and 70 again but can't so I will pick 70 .
I like the lack of vertical at 25.
Go between 15-20 on rev 2
Between zero and 5 .
Or between 50-55.
Both reasonable round and in the same POI .
The 65-70 is nice but to far apart with so close in tuner setting, I think it's lucky groups...
I'm with Eric B, 1+18.
It's somewhere between 1 Rev and 15-20. I'm leaning 18.
Looks like rev3 about 18 to me.
This is the point where I have to know my limits and abstain. I know you turn the tuner, and that changes the tune, but I have no frame or reference or scale for if moving by 5 is a little, a lot, or moderate.
I paused before clicking the "comment" button - I really should at least take a stab at it. 25 and 30 look similar, but have a lot of horizontal stringing. Ironically, 40, 45, R1-0, and R1-5 all have similar centers of the point of impact, so the actual group patterns between them aren't on the level of precision we're looking for. It'd be an okay "plinking" load for just banging steel. Rev1-15 and Rev1-20 look promising, but that's a big vertical shift in the points in impact, comparatively speaking, and Rev1-20 is vertically strung too.
I think that if you were intimately familiar with your tuner settings and testing parameters, you could probably use the tuner to stay at that level of precision to match the weather conditions. You'd be safe with Rev1-15 and Rev1-20 then, but that's a tall order. I think that's the best answer you're going to get from me.
Good shooting, by the way. They might not be groups you're proud of, but that's on the load and equipment. Your shooting is what allowed all of us to try to read them as they are.
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad you're finding value in this. I'm going to do more series like this coming up this week.
Between 1 rev 15 to 20
15 second revolution
Somewhere between 1 rev 15 and 20
65-70 would have been nice to see a 75, but it is what it is.
20 is my vote
67 or 68 would be my choice. Wish there were groups at 75 and 80.
2nd revolution
15-20 or in between
Last 20
2rev20 but I would check how 2rev 17-18-19 looks.
+15 rev 1 cheers
I would run 1 rev 18
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I choose 1-20.
1 turn +17 or +18.
I would choose 17
I pick 70 or 65...
1-20
"66"
1 Rev 15-20.
2 Rev 18
1 rev 17 or 18
20
67 or 1 Rev +17
I rev +15
1 Rev 15
I'd take the last one on bottom
Setting 7
65-70
1 Rev +20
1 rev 18
Rev 2-15.
1 rev +15
15
I vote 25.
1rev + 17
2-15
3 shot groups will not give any significant information. I would bet you could pick the worst load, and it would be roughly the same as the load you pick on a 10 or 20 shot string for group size. Your theory only works if you have significant info that the other ones didn't work, with significant shots like 20+. You could have picked 4 or 5 loads and had 20+ rounds each instead of 37, 3 shot groups. You will still have to shoot 10-30 to prove you theory on the load you picked. You could have been 20-60 rounds in and been done. Seems like you wasted more time and components than needed.
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R+20
1+15
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