How did you enjoy the Loki S2 finale? Sorry for the delay! Between bday celebrations and losing my voice from a chest infection & flu it put back being able to record. But well worth it!
There are two differences in the multiverse at the end of the show. One is that Loki transformed the timelines into an organic structure (Yggdrasil) that CAN scale infinitely. Secondly, Loki is a god unlike He Who Remains, a human with vast technological resources. Loki has also recreated the TVA as an organization where everyone is a volunteer who can leave when they choose to and their primary focus is on preventing Kang-variants from coming into power.
The Loom could've been scaled infinitely. A multidimensional format would've allowed it to essentially "multiverse" itself, generating an entirely new Loom for every branch, and binding all the Looms into one. An infinite number of Looms occupying the same place and time, all running the infinite threads of timelines through them.
@@bobsavage3317 Not really. It's more zombie apocalypse, with Loki jamming power through a bunch of dead timelines just to keep them going...instead of letting every timeline die and reality start over from scratch. HWR and his Loom damaged time so badly, for so long, that none of the existing timelines can survive on their own anymore. So, no matter what, it's always going to be artificial. Horrendously artificial, really. That's not to say I didn't enjoy it all, or that I don't admire Loki's efforts or motives. It's just that it's not the ideal option, nor was it the only one.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979, the only problem with that is that infinite number of looms required somebody to build them, which was beyond the capacity of the TVA, while the organic model simply had to grow, naturally producing branches as it went.
@@LeeCarlson Nope. The idea is build the Loom so that it exists simultaneously in an infinite number of dimensions all at once. So, every time a new timeline appears, one of those Loom copies binds to it and threads that timeline into all the rest...exiting through the Loom that appears at the TVA. You only ever build one Loom. You just build it so that it's multidimensionally omnipresent. Build it in a pocket dimension that does what the timelines do...expands infinitely. After that, it's a question of making sure a variant of the Loom always binds to a new timeline. That's still not the right solution...but it's just as valid as Loki's. The right solution, would've been to let all of the timelines and everything else die...and have reality start over from scratch. I highly doubt One Above All would just let there NOT be existence, after all.
At the end when Sylvie says to Mobius "It's weird that Loki is not here, isn't it?"....the next shot of Mobius @29:11 there's a green and yellow/gold lens flare over Mobius....Loki was there....he is nowhere and he is everywhere!...EPIC SHOW! The best show ever so far for MCU
What a fantastic finale. Loki, the God of Stories. Yggdrasil. I interpret the gold embracing the throne as a sign that Loki has found his calling, and the Odinforce is now with him.
Branches of timeline turn into Yggdrasill.. *Mindblown* One of the BEST finale episodes I've ever seen. And to this day by far the best Marvel cinematography. Thank you Tom Hiddleston
after watching an interview with tom hiddleston he said that the last words he says were kind of improvised since the director came to him right before they shot that scene and asked him to come up with a final quote and then when you see the actors who play modius and slyvie thats their first time hearing that, also the part when we see the close up of loki after seating on the throne was filmed after he had just burst into tears after realizing this was the last time hed be loki
I refuse to believe that this is the last time Tom played Loki. Loki became such an important character that there is no way he won't appear again in any of the movies even if it's just for a few minutes.
@@az639 I think he meant that as of now and the ending of filming they were all feeling upset about the show ending so for what ever reason his emotions were genuine that was my point
I love that you guys often have related comics in the background when you do comics shows. In an ideal world, these shows and movies would encourage people to read comics about the characters or the story arc.
Hands down, the most impactful, visually beautiful conclusion ever in the MCU. I highly recommend watching some of Tom Hiddleston's post strike interviews as well, some fascinating behind the scenes details! I especially liked the Plumb and Horowitz interviews.
Thank you! When I watched it I instantly thought of Yggdrasil but you guys are the first reviewers to mention it too. Isn’t it interesting that he doesn’t get the throne until he doesn’t want a throne.
That funky disco beat was “A Fifth of Beethoven” by Walter Murphy and the Big Apple Band from 1976. It was included in the soundtrack for Saturday Night Fever! 🎶 💃 🕺 🎶
I recognized the music immediately. As soon as I heard it I said "OMG, that's a Fifth of Beethoven!!" I bought the actual Walter Murphy Band album when it originally came out in 1976 - I was fifteen. I still have the vinyl album - no record player though. I hadn't heard it in decades; I was delighted to hear it.
When you realize the entirety of the MCU was as how Loki wills it. Loki created Ygdrassil in the TVA Making it a reality since the beginning of time. So when the Ancient Asgard studied the Multiverse they Lokis creation Ygdrassil. So Odin teaches young Loki and Thor the Multiverse they were watching Loki Every defeat, loss and humiliation every Loki in the multiverse suffered was because Loki decided it so. Its predestination.
Loki's relationship to his throne mirrors Thor and his hammer Loki was only ever going to get (be worthy of) his throne once he didnt want one anymore.
4:36 Loki mentioning right after that he's a god is very important as far as Marvel. The "space gods" ( Asgardians, Olympians, alien pantheons ect) including i think even Frost Giants, are all sort of descended from spirit-like beings that were sort of willed into existence by the "consciousness" of their planet of Origin. On Earth that'd be "Gaia" , for example. The fact that they have solid material bodies is a side effect (kind of) of human belief, and these material bodies channel a LOT of energy and raw power, and also long life. Their brains alone would be so complex, that a course and expertise in physics , for Loki, would definitely take a TON of study, but he'd retain it way better than a human.
Loki is..."alone"...but not really. Sylvie's TemPad can still reach him, and given that O.B. now has access to it (presumably Sylvie would let him take a look at it), he can potentially modify all the other TemPads to have similar capabilities. There are also other methods of reaching the End of Time, so anyone who knows any of those methods could also go to where Loki is. Loki also has Sylvie's enchantment powers (though he doesn't yet seem to know how to use them...all the Lokis have that power, and pretty much all the other powers any of them have ever shown). He's currently ramming his power through all the timelines to keep them alive, so it's really a foregone conclusion that he could probably "possess" any of his variants at-will, and act through them in their respective timelines. Or he might well be able to Time-slip into any of them and do the same. He still sacrificed a lot. I mean, he's taken up a Herculean task, and it will never end. (It's not Sisyphean...because his task actually has not just a purpose, but an absolutely essential purpose...unlike rolling a goddamned boulder up a hill for nothing) And even if others can visit him, and even if he can side-step his way into the lives of his other selves, he's still going to be truly lonely in a very fundamental way. No matter what, nobody can ever understand what he's going through. He'll have to sit and watch everyone who ever lives...die. His entire existence will be watching those he cares about (and all their variants) born, live, and die...over and over again. And no matter what he does, he can never truly be a part of any of it. He can visit, he can chat, he can spend time with them all...but he can't ever really BE there in the moments and in the feelings WITH them. He'll ALWAYS be an outsider from now on. He can have social interaction aplenty if he really wants it. But that's only one small piece of the problem of real loneliness. And his has no solution...ever.
Loki was willing to give everything, just to make sure his friends and, in fact, the entire Multiverse has a life in which they can make their own decisions - in exchange for him weaving the strands of Time for all of eternity. Otherwise HWR would rise back to power once again. I don't think we'll ever see a greater arc in the entire MCU. He basically made himself the Greek Titan Atlas, only for every universe out there.
@Fandom Zone, 9:52 Sylvie's Nexus Event, the reason why Ravonna pruned her eons ago when she was just a little girl. Mobius' talk with Loki soon after this explains what he and Ravonna did before their respective jobs as an analyst and a judge. They both used to be TVA Hunters charged with pruning variants before their crimes, something very similar to Minority Report. 16:24 This story here. 15:16 He could have prevented the War, yet he allowed it to happen. This entire story was concocted to transform Loki, to make him a believer, someone he was yet ready to be, and I think HWR explained back during the first season finale when talking to both Sylvie and Loki just before the fight at the end: th-cam.com/video/xyfwr861cjs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Xt6bRuzkHIzUde6v&t=161 18:14 I assumed Bruce's explanation about time travel came into play here, which explains why Loki erases Mobius and Sylvie soon after. If you recall, Bruce explained that if you travel to the past and interact with it, your past becomes your new future and your present will become your past. Loki had to expunge this iteration of Mobius to protect the one that he knows in the future. Loki's previous Time Slipping in episode one of this season cared over to the future with OB, remember? Had he left this version of Mobius, the Mobius he knows would cease to exist. 19:50 Has he been changed by the journey? 21:21 Suddenly those centuries spent trying to fix the impossible don't seem wasted. Loki got to spend more time with the people he cared most about, and that's much more time than any of us ever could. It doesn't matter if he repeated the same moment, as each moment was uniquely different. And Loki's sacrifice is to protect them, the people he cares most about. 27:33 Did you notice Hunter D90 in the War Room? Loki rewrote his story. Loki helped fulfill one of OB's dreams, to have a book read by everyone, and you know everyone at the TVA will read this, as the TVA isn't the same thing it used to be, as Loki rewrote that story too =) Loki didn't prune Victor. He reset him, putting him back to the moment Ravonna and Miss Minutes changed his life, but without their interference, of course. 28:01 Ravonna didn't want to change. She wanted to take it all and rule. Loki left Ravonna in the void along with the old TVA floor emblem, and Alioth just came back online. Yikes! 29:47 Loki rewrote Mobius' story too. Mobius' wife still left him, but her departure didn't break the family. Mobius and his boys are bonding and thriving =) Mobius' garage reveals just one personal watercraft this time around. Loki gave Mobius the life Mobius was afraid to learn that he had had, a good life. Now Mobius has to decide to experience that life or fight to protect it. whichever he chooses, Loki will be fine with it =) What an epic end to a great series, and possibly Loki too, though I hope it isn't the end. I want Loki and Thor to meet one last time. Frigga and Odin would be so proud of their son. When Thor's end comes, I hope it is as epic as this, though I think this will be very, very hard to top. What a finale! Why did this series need to point out to the audience twice, during the last season finale and again in this one, that HWR was just a man? Why did it remind us several times throughout this series that both Loki and Sylvie were gods? HWR represents the pinnacle of man and try as he did, for a million lifetimes, he never figured out how to save all of time, just a fraction of it. In order to save the portion of time that he managed to save, he had to constantly erase the portion of time persisting to exist alongside it. He created the TVA and the loom to help him protect time. After a million years of this and making no headwinds, this likely got tiring, which might explain why he chose a god to do it instead. Regardless of your beliefs, most people would agree that the general consensus is that a god can do more than man, and in the end, Loki solved the equation HWR couldn't--HWR never could have done what Loki ended up doing because he was just a man, flesh, and blood as he put it. I wonder if he chose Loki because Loki was a lost god, a god who didn't have a purpose. All of the gods we met at Omnipotence City in Love and Thunder were full of themselves. Loki was too, but Loki wasn't to the same degree as they were. Loki could be changed, and we saw that with many of the Loki Variants we met in this series. Loki does care about others, and not just himself, which isn't the same for many of the other gods we've met in the MCU. I can't wait to see more stories about Kang. I don't know about you, but I don't think HWR is the bad guy the Internet has made him out to be. This series has taught us a lot about pruning. For one, things pruned are never really gone, as they are reset. The Penultimate episode showed us Mobius, B15, Casey and OB as they were before they were recruited to work at the TVA. If pruned timelines were truly gone, they shouldn't have been there, yet there they were. Pruning timelines is like shaving body hair, they eventually grow back, which explains the need for an army of time cops policing the timelines. The agents working at the TVA were all people from Branched Timelines pruned millions of lifetimes ago. While their timelines were gone, HWR and Ravonna gave them a chance to help protect all of time and their countless other variants and families everywhere by protecting the Sacred Timeline. I can't help but wonder if Victor Timely is the one who actually created the Multiverse towards the end of his life with the creation of HWR's TemPad. It looks pretty primitive in comparison to the digital interface ones we see everyone else using at the TVA. What if Victor traveled to a younger version of himself to pass on his knowledge similar to Biff Tannen from Back to the Future? The first trip back in time might have created the first branching timeline, and Victor being the curious person that he is, likely would have jumped to multiple other times, creating even more branches with each jump. Fast forward to the last season finale, HWR explaining his origin might have been the moment he realized that he inadvertently created a problem that was destined to ruin all of time and everyone. Variants can be different, but we've seen time and time again, that key moments of their stories are still the same. In any case, I cannot wait to see how this all plays out. From what we've seen of Kang, I'm not seeing him as a villain yet. He could have killed Janet, Scott, Cassie and all, yet he didn't. He tried really hard NOT to kill them. We saw him destroying timelines via Janet's viewing of his mind, but she didn't see the whole story. Wasn't he pruning timelines? That story took place during the loom's pending explosion. He was trying to reduce the infinitely growing timelines to help the loom, and it sure does seem like the Council of Kangs banished him to stop him from doing that.
@@Hanmacx I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with that, as Loki is a good person. He pretended to be Odin for what, two years? He didn't get pruned for that. Sylvie was pruned before committing any crime, not because she was playing with toys--that's fantasy. How many children across the timeline played as "the bad guy" while their friends played as heroes? Sylvie like the boy Mobius spoke about was just playing, not doing anything wrong. Sylvie, like that boy, was going to do something that jeopardized the lives of many, though for Sylvie it would be everyone and everything.
@@G1TransformedLoki/Sylvie are supposed to be bad guys and theyre not supposed to succeed in their evil deeds that's not already preset for them. So anything contrary to that gets them pruned. So when Loki betrayed Asgard I'm the 1st Thor Movie when the Frost Giants infiltrated Asgard or him replacing Odin that was supposed to happen. But things like Loki killing Thanos, killing Thor, turning Thor into a Frog, or becoming President wasn't supposed to happen...so they got pruned. So Sylvie having the Valkyrie toy win got her pruned and Classic Loki being lonely and wanting company and leaving his hiding place got him pruned.
@@ItsFireTiger Lokis were never inherently evil as you claim-we could see their true nature in the Loki series. The Loki series explained that HWR wrote stories and that HE made it so that Loki’s role was to be the villain and to always fail so that others could rise up. He rewrote 2012 Loki’s story because he chose Loki to be his replacement. Loki had to be convinced that what HWR and the TVA were doing was just and for the greater good. When pressed on the matter he told them that they can just jump to the end of the story as they needed to be changed by the journey-his aims were explained in during the last season finale. If you want to believe Sylvie was pruned because she was playing with toys, well, I’m not going to be able to convince you otherwise. We’re just going to have to accept that we both have different opinions on that. Still, you have to wonder why Mobius told the story he told Loki. He could have told him any story, but instead he told him one that explained his previous job and one that explained why Sylvie was pruned-the loom was always doomed to fail and Loki could never stop Sylvie from killing HWR. They are both fixed points/Cannon Events, they have to happen. It certainly makes sense that HWR’s lieutenant would do whatever it took to save his life, especially after hearing what she would do to save the lives of 5,000 people. Killing HWR ends lives across infinite universes, the very thing they all swore to protect. Pretend to be a Valkyrie or masquerading as Odin for two years hurt no one😉
@@G1Transformed Yeah they're not truly evil, they just always chose to do the wrong thing cause that's what they were supposed to do, they're the God of Mischief. But they're not to be entirely triumphant in their deeds. Like Loki can't win the Battle of Earth
"For you, For all of us" were the words he spoke to Odin in 'Thor', right before he let's go of the spear and falls in the black hole. 🥹🥹🥹🥹 He became the God of Stories!!! 💚🥹💚🥹 Loki totally is my favorite Marvel character- and Tom Hiddleston is the only person in the world who can play him!!!!!! 💚💚💚💚💚
Nice reaction video. You're right, the series is not that complicated, it makes sense if you pay attention and don't think too hard about the techno babble. After all, it's fiction, not a textbook. The focus is really on the characters, not the science. Poignant end to a great series.
Don’t hate me for this comparison but it reminds me of will turner becoming captain of the Flying Dutchman or whatever tf it’s called in pirates of the Caribbean, ultimate sacrifice but at least he can see Elizabeth every 10 years for a day Loki is stuck up there forever, which I think he’s fine with & satisfied watching & holding it all together. Epic series, #2 fav mcu show besides agents of shield for me
Loved the Doctor Who reference and that let's me say please react to the 60th Anniversary episode Part 1! Great reaction as always guys. Loved the hair Julia!
One Pet peeve a lot of people seem to think that Loki is at THe END of Time..he isn't He In the Middle Timelines come in from the Bottom Roots then UP to the Trunk Filters thru LOKI and then UP and Out to the branches and Leaves.
He's changed the structure...but when he left, he went to the End of Time. It's the only place he can do what he needs to do. Now...the End of Time never actually comes. Every timeline just goes on endlessly, because he's at the end pushing it all through. Keeping everything alive. HWRs Loom has so severely damaged time for so long, that time can't even function on its own anymore. That's why the branches were all dying as soon as the Loom broke, and why Loki couldn't just jumpstart them all, but must continuously power each and every one. The only alternative is to let them all die...and let reality start over from absolute scratch. Loki wasn't willing to let that happen...but he was willing to care for the existing multiverse for eternity.
Loki's always been slow, but when he was shown a way that wasn't cheating, like rescuiing the people on Asgard with the rock guy, different Loki, when he saw the way, he took it.
The multiversal war does threaten HWR's existence but these Kang Variants were wiping out entire realities, tens of trillions of lives. So it beares consquences for everyone. But then again, can you completely trust what he says.
Ok, no one seems to be making this point, or maybe I just missed it, but can't loki just time slip anywhere and when he wants, then go back to the exact moment he left? Being completely free to roam all time, and still hold the timelines together?
I mean has Sylvie experienced peace they tried to prune her as a child for what, playing with toys, and then she hid inside apocalypses from the TVA, Whose peace?
Exactly too much cheating in the timeline, but it won't work. Cheating won't work for Loki it NEVER has, he has to be honest. I mean I think he changed the galaxy (not multiverse) when Thanos killed him certainly changed Thor. This is NOT that Loki, this one still lying to himself. And cheating, he's NEVER WIN cheating. What is cheating? Time Travel.
FanDom is like femdom? anyway, I went back in time centuries and you don't have to tell me to like and subscribe because I've heard it 1,000,000,000,001 times and that's what He Who Remains said. Doesn't hurt me to do so, I do it from purpose, not burden, so you don't have to nag me.
How did you enjoy the Loki S2 finale? Sorry for the delay! Between bday celebrations and losing my voice from a chest infection & flu it put back being able to record. But well worth it!
Rewatching this after having seen the BBC1 interview with Tom about the series finale, it hits even harder
There are two differences in the multiverse at the end of the show. One is that Loki transformed the timelines into an organic structure (Yggdrasil) that CAN scale infinitely. Secondly, Loki is a god unlike He Who Remains, a human with vast technological resources. Loki has also recreated the TVA as an organization where everyone is a volunteer who can leave when they choose to and their primary focus is on preventing Kang-variants from coming into power.
Loki S2 is the first truly Solarpunk show I have seen.
The Loom could've been scaled infinitely. A multidimensional format would've allowed it to essentially "multiverse" itself, generating an entirely new Loom for every branch, and binding all the Looms into one.
An infinite number of Looms occupying the same place and time, all running the infinite threads of timelines through them.
@@bobsavage3317 Not really. It's more zombie apocalypse, with Loki jamming power through a bunch of dead timelines just to keep them going...instead of letting every timeline die and reality start over from scratch.
HWR and his Loom damaged time so badly, for so long, that none of the existing timelines can survive on their own anymore. So, no matter what, it's always going to be artificial. Horrendously artificial, really.
That's not to say I didn't enjoy it all, or that I don't admire Loki's efforts or motives. It's just that it's not the ideal option, nor was it the only one.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979, the only problem with that is that infinite number of looms required somebody to build them, which was beyond the capacity of the TVA, while the organic model simply had to grow, naturally producing branches as it went.
@@LeeCarlson Nope. The idea is build the Loom so that it exists simultaneously in an infinite number of dimensions all at once. So, every time a new timeline appears, one of those Loom copies binds to it and threads that timeline into all the rest...exiting through the Loom that appears at the TVA.
You only ever build one Loom. You just build it so that it's multidimensionally omnipresent. Build it in a pocket dimension that does what the timelines do...expands infinitely. After that, it's a question of making sure a variant of the Loom always binds to a new timeline.
That's still not the right solution...but it's just as valid as Loki's.
The right solution, would've been to let all of the timelines and everything else die...and have reality start over from scratch. I highly doubt One Above All would just let there NOT be existence, after all.
At the end when Sylvie says to Mobius "It's weird that Loki is not here, isn't it?"....the next shot of Mobius @29:11 there's a green and yellow/gold lens flare over Mobius....Loki was there....he is nowhere and he is everywhere!...EPIC SHOW! The best show ever so far for MCU
Oh my! I love it!
Everywhere all at once
What a fantastic finale. Loki, the God of Stories. Yggdrasil. I interpret the gold embracing the throne as a sign that Loki has found his calling, and the Odinforce is now with him.
I agree 100%
He is now worthy
He is Loki, of Asgard, and he is burdened with glorious purpose. Loki, the god of stories.
Definitely the best Marvel series and also one of the most enjoyable series of all time.
Branches of timeline turn into Yggdrasill..
*Mindblown*
One of the BEST finale episodes I've ever seen. And to this day by far the best Marvel cinematography.
Thank you Tom Hiddleston
Still amuses me that Loki is a god AND a scientist
And an Engineer.
Not all Scientists are Engineers. And vice versa.
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after watching an interview with tom hiddleston he said that the last words he says were kind of improvised since the director came to him right before they shot that scene and asked him to come up with a final quote and then when you see the actors who play modius and slyvie thats their first time hearing that, also the part when we see the close up of loki after seating on the throne was filmed after he had just burst into tears after realizing this was the last time hed be loki
That's essentially was floored me and made me cry was that shot of his face at the end as you could tell those were genuine tears in his eyes
I refuse to believe that this is the last time Tom played Loki. Loki became such an important character that there is no way he won't appear again in any of the movies even if it's just for a few minutes.
@@az639 that's just what I've read about interviews he gave I have no idea if it's gospel or not
@@az639 I think he meant that as of now and the ending of filming they were all feeling upset about the show ending so for what ever reason his emotions were genuine that was my point
I love that you guys often have related comics in the background when you do comics shows. In an ideal world, these shows and movies would encourage people to read comics about the characters or the story arc.
He didn’t really want a throne, he just didn’t want to be alone, and he got both.
Hands down, the most impactful, visually beautiful conclusion ever in the MCU. I highly recommend watching some of Tom Hiddleston's post strike interviews as well, some fascinating behind the scenes details! I especially liked the Plumb and Horowitz interviews.
Finally Loki took his long-awaited throne
Thank you! When I watched it I instantly thought of Yggdrasil but you guys are the first reviewers to mention it too. Isn’t it interesting that he doesn’t get the throne until he doesn’t want a throne.
They're really not the first to mention it. Others have as well.
Most of them say the Tree of Life. Same thing
I absolutely loved this episode and series and the way it's all so binge worthy form season 1 and season 2. Absolutely gorgeous.
Great observation, Tom would make a great Dr. Who!
That funky disco beat was “A Fifth of Beethoven” by Walter Murphy and the Big Apple Band from 1976. It was included in the soundtrack for Saturday Night Fever! 🎶 💃 🕺 🎶
I recognized the music immediately. As soon as I heard it I said "OMG, that's a Fifth of Beethoven!!" I bought the actual Walter Murphy Band album when it originally came out in 1976 - I was fifteen. I still have the vinyl album - no record player though. I hadn't heard it in decades; I was delighted to hear it.
When you realize the entirety of the MCU was as how Loki wills it.
Loki created Ygdrassil in the TVA
Making it a reality since the beginning of time. So when the Ancient Asgard studied the Multiverse they Lokis creation Ygdrassil. So Odin teaches young Loki and Thor the Multiverse they were watching Loki
Every defeat, loss and humiliation every Loki in the multiverse suffered was because Loki decided it so.
Its predestination.
Loki's relationship to his throne mirrors Thor and his hammer Loki was only ever going to get (be worthy of) his throne once he didnt want one anymore.
4:36 Loki mentioning right after that he's a god is very important as far as Marvel. The "space gods" ( Asgardians, Olympians, alien pantheons ect) including i think even Frost Giants, are all sort of descended from spirit-like beings that were sort of willed into existence by the "consciousness" of their planet of Origin. On Earth that'd be "Gaia" , for example. The fact that they have solid material bodies is a side effect (kind of) of human belief, and these material bodies channel a LOT of energy and raw power, and also long life. Their brains alone would be so complex, that a course and expertise in physics , for Loki, would definitely take a TON of study, but he'd retain it way better than a human.
I really hope Odin would see him in that moment....
Loki is..."alone"...but not really.
Sylvie's TemPad can still reach him, and given that O.B. now has access to it (presumably Sylvie would let him take a look at it), he can potentially modify all the other TemPads to have similar capabilities.
There are also other methods of reaching the End of Time, so anyone who knows any of those methods could also go to where Loki is.
Loki also has Sylvie's enchantment powers (though he doesn't yet seem to know how to use them...all the Lokis have that power, and pretty much all the other powers any of them have ever shown). He's currently ramming his power through all the timelines to keep them alive, so it's really a foregone conclusion that he could probably "possess" any of his variants at-will, and act through them in their respective timelines. Or he might well be able to Time-slip into any of them and do the same.
He still sacrificed a lot. I mean, he's taken up a Herculean task, and it will never end. (It's not Sisyphean...because his task actually has not just a purpose, but an absolutely essential purpose...unlike rolling a goddamned boulder up a hill for nothing) And even if others can visit him, and even if he can side-step his way into the lives of his other selves, he's still going to be truly lonely in a very fundamental way. No matter what, nobody can ever understand what he's going through. He'll have to sit and watch everyone who ever lives...die. His entire existence will be watching those he cares about (and all their variants) born, live, and die...over and over again. And no matter what he does, he can never truly be a part of any of it. He can visit, he can chat, he can spend time with them all...but he can't ever really BE there in the moments and in the feelings WITH them. He'll ALWAYS be an outsider from now on. He can have social interaction aplenty if he really wants it. But that's only one small piece of the problem of real loneliness. And his has no solution...ever.
Yay! Glad you guys are back & feeling better ❤
Loki may not be happy, but I believe he is satisfied. He knows his sacrifice was worth it.
Loki now has the role of Custodian of the Multiverse, Atlez who first appeared in Infinity Abyss (2002).
Loki was willing to give everything, just to make sure his friends and, in fact, the entire Multiverse has a life in which they can make their own decisions - in exchange for him weaving the strands of Time for all of eternity. Otherwise HWR would rise back to power once again.
I don't think we'll ever see a greater arc in the entire MCU. He basically made himself the Greek Titan Atlas, only for every universe out there.
@Fandom Zone,
9:52 Sylvie's Nexus Event, the reason why Ravonna pruned her eons ago when she was just a little girl. Mobius' talk with Loki soon after this explains what he and Ravonna did before their respective jobs as an analyst and a judge. They both used to be TVA Hunters charged with pruning variants before their crimes, something very similar to Minority Report.
16:24 This story here.
15:16 He could have prevented the War, yet he allowed it to happen. This entire story was concocted to transform Loki, to make him a believer, someone he was yet ready to be, and I think HWR explained back during the first season finale when talking to both Sylvie and Loki just before the fight at the end: th-cam.com/video/xyfwr861cjs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Xt6bRuzkHIzUde6v&t=161
18:14 I assumed Bruce's explanation about time travel came into play here, which explains why Loki erases Mobius and Sylvie soon after. If you recall, Bruce explained that if you travel to the past and interact with it, your past becomes your new future and your present will become your past. Loki had to expunge this iteration of Mobius to protect the one that he knows in the future. Loki's previous Time Slipping in episode one of this season cared over to the future with OB, remember? Had he left this version of Mobius, the Mobius he knows would cease to exist.
19:50 Has he been changed by the journey?
21:21 Suddenly those centuries spent trying to fix the impossible don't seem wasted. Loki got to spend more time with the people he cared most about, and that's much more time than any of us ever could. It doesn't matter if he repeated the same moment, as each moment was uniquely different. And Loki's sacrifice is to protect them, the people he cares most about.
27:33 Did you notice Hunter D90 in the War Room? Loki rewrote his story. Loki helped fulfill one of OB's dreams, to have a book read by everyone, and you know everyone at the TVA will read this, as the TVA isn't the same thing it used to be, as Loki rewrote that story too =)
Loki didn't prune Victor. He reset him, putting him back to the moment Ravonna and Miss Minutes changed his life, but without their interference, of course.
28:01 Ravonna didn't want to change. She wanted to take it all and rule. Loki left Ravonna in the void along with the old TVA floor emblem, and Alioth just came back online. Yikes!
29:47 Loki rewrote Mobius' story too. Mobius' wife still left him, but her departure didn't break the family. Mobius and his boys are bonding and thriving =) Mobius' garage reveals just one personal watercraft this time around. Loki gave Mobius the life Mobius was afraid to learn that he had had, a good life. Now Mobius has to decide to experience that life or fight to protect it. whichever he chooses, Loki will be fine with it =)
What an epic end to a great series, and possibly Loki too, though I hope it isn't the end. I want Loki and Thor to meet one last time. Frigga and Odin would be so proud of their son. When Thor's end comes, I hope it is as epic as this, though I think this will be very, very hard to top. What a finale!
Why did this series need to point out to the audience twice, during the last season finale and again in this one, that HWR was just a man? Why did it remind us several times throughout this series that both Loki and Sylvie were gods? HWR represents the pinnacle of man and try as he did, for a million lifetimes, he never figured out how to save all of time, just a fraction of it.
In order to save the portion of time that he managed to save, he had to constantly erase the portion of time persisting to exist alongside it. He created the TVA and the loom to help him protect time. After a million years of this and making no headwinds, this likely got tiring, which might explain why he chose a god to do it instead. Regardless of your beliefs, most people would agree that the general consensus is that a god can do more than man, and in the end, Loki solved the equation HWR couldn't--HWR never could have done what Loki ended up doing because he was just a man, flesh, and blood as he put it.
I wonder if he chose Loki because Loki was a lost god, a god who didn't have a purpose. All of the gods we met at Omnipotence City in Love and Thunder were full of themselves. Loki was too, but Loki wasn't to the same degree as they were. Loki could be changed, and we saw that with many of the Loki Variants we met in this series. Loki does care about others, and not just himself, which isn't the same for many of the other gods we've met in the MCU.
I can't wait to see more stories about Kang. I don't know about you, but I don't think HWR is the bad guy the Internet has made him out to be. This series has taught us a lot about pruning. For one, things pruned are never really gone, as they are reset. The Penultimate episode showed us Mobius, B15, Casey and OB as they were before they were recruited to work at the TVA. If pruned timelines were truly gone, they shouldn't have been there, yet there they were. Pruning timelines is like shaving body hair, they eventually grow back, which explains the need for an army of time cops policing the timelines.
The agents working at the TVA were all people from Branched Timelines pruned millions of lifetimes ago. While their timelines were gone, HWR and Ravonna gave them a chance to help protect all of time and their countless other variants and families everywhere by protecting the Sacred Timeline.
I can't help but wonder if Victor Timely is the one who actually created the Multiverse towards the end of his life with the creation of HWR's TemPad. It looks pretty primitive in comparison to the digital interface ones we see everyone else using at the TVA. What if Victor traveled to a younger version of himself to pass on his knowledge similar to Biff Tannen from Back to the Future? The first trip back in time might have created the first branching timeline, and Victor being the curious person that he is, likely would have jumped to multiple other times, creating even more branches with each jump. Fast forward to the last season finale, HWR explaining his origin might have been the moment he realized that he inadvertently created a problem that was destined to ruin all of time and everyone.
Variants can be different, but we've seen time and time again, that key moments of their stories are still the same. In any case, I cannot wait to see how this all plays out. From what we've seen of Kang, I'm not seeing him as a villain yet. He could have killed Janet, Scott, Cassie and all, yet he didn't. He tried really hard NOT to kill them. We saw him destroying timelines via Janet's viewing of his mind, but she didn't see the whole story. Wasn't he pruning timelines? That story took place during the loom's pending explosion. He was trying to reduce the infinitely growing timelines to help the loom, and it sure does seem like the Council of Kangs banished him to stop him from doing that.
Sylvie's Nexus was that she wanted to be a good person
She was playing as a Valkyrie
@@Hanmacx I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with that, as Loki is a good person. He pretended to be Odin for what, two years? He didn't get pruned for that.
Sylvie was pruned before committing any crime, not because she was playing with toys--that's fantasy. How many children across the timeline played as "the bad guy" while their friends played as heroes?
Sylvie like the boy Mobius spoke about was just playing, not doing anything wrong. Sylvie, like that boy, was going to do something that jeopardized the lives of many, though for Sylvie it would be everyone and everything.
@@G1TransformedLoki/Sylvie are supposed to be bad guys and theyre not supposed to succeed in their evil deeds that's not already preset for them. So anything contrary to that gets them pruned. So when Loki betrayed Asgard I'm the 1st Thor Movie when the Frost Giants infiltrated Asgard or him replacing Odin that was supposed to happen.
But things like Loki killing Thanos, killing Thor, turning Thor into a Frog, or becoming President wasn't supposed to happen...so they got pruned. So Sylvie having the Valkyrie toy win got her pruned and Classic Loki being lonely and wanting company and leaving his hiding place got him pruned.
@@ItsFireTiger Lokis were never inherently evil as you claim-we could see their true nature in the Loki series.
The Loki series explained that HWR wrote stories and that HE made it so that Loki’s role was to be the villain and to always fail so that others could rise up.
He rewrote 2012 Loki’s story because he chose Loki to be his replacement. Loki had to be convinced that what HWR and the TVA were doing was just and for the greater good. When pressed on the matter he told them that they can just jump to the end of the story as they needed to be changed by the journey-his aims were explained in during the last season finale.
If you want to believe Sylvie was pruned because she was playing with toys, well, I’m not going to be able to convince you otherwise. We’re just going to have to accept that we both have different opinions on that. Still, you have to wonder why Mobius told the story he told Loki. He could have told him any story, but instead he told him one that explained his previous job and one that explained why Sylvie was pruned-the loom was always doomed to fail and Loki could never stop Sylvie from killing HWR. They are both fixed points/Cannon Events, they have to happen. It certainly makes sense that HWR’s lieutenant would do whatever it took to save his life, especially after hearing what she would do to save the lives of 5,000 people. Killing HWR ends lives across infinite universes, the very thing they all swore to protect. Pretend to be a Valkyrie or masquerading as Odin for two years hurt no one😉
@@G1Transformed Yeah they're not truly evil, they just always chose to do the wrong thing cause that's what they were supposed to do, they're the God of Mischief. But they're not to be entirely triumphant in their deeds. Like Loki can't win the Battle of Earth
Oh pentultimately entwined with that first episode.
Probably the only and last time he was selfless.
"For you, For all of us" were the words he spoke to Odin in 'Thor', right before he let's go of the spear and falls in the black hole. 🥹🥹🥹🥹 He became the God of Stories!!! 💚🥹💚🥹
Loki totally is my favorite Marvel character- and Tom Hiddleston is the only person in the world who can play him!!!!!! 💚💚💚💚💚
Victor the Kang that Cared. RIP Vic.
Wait stop! Who gave Loki a soul, Sylvie. Oh my great Ice Giant about to have a revelation.
Hiddleston is perfect.
Nice reaction video. You're right, the series is not that complicated, it makes sense if you pay attention and don't think too hard about the techno babble. After all, it's fiction, not a textbook. The focus is really on the characters, not the science.
Poignant end to a great series.
Ordin told thor and loki they both will be king but one will sit on the throne from the first thor movie
Don’t hate me for this comparison but it reminds me of will turner becoming captain of the Flying Dutchman or whatever tf it’s called in pirates of the Caribbean, ultimate sacrifice but at least he can see Elizabeth every 10 years for a day
Loki is stuck up there forever, which I think he’s fine with & satisfied watching & holding it all together. Epic series, #2 fav mcu show besides agents of shield for me
Dr Strange watched Endgame millions of times
Loki has to watch the MCU an infinite number of times
Victor Timely: I should have stuck with candle making!
He won't let the timelines die.
Loved the Doctor Who reference and that let's me say please react to the 60th Anniversary episode Part 1! Great reaction as always guys. Loved the hair Julia!
Now he’s the god of stories. Alas, he is alone.
One Pet peeve a lot of people seem to think that Loki is at THe END of Time..he isn't He In the Middle Timelines come in from the Bottom Roots then UP to the Trunk Filters thru LOKI and then UP and Out to the branches and Leaves.
He's changed the structure...but when he left, he went to the End of Time. It's the only place he can do what he needs to do. Now...the End of Time never actually comes. Every timeline just goes on endlessly, because he's at the end pushing it all through. Keeping everything alive.
HWRs Loom has so severely damaged time for so long, that time can't even function on its own anymore. That's why the branches were all dying as soon as the Loom broke, and why Loki couldn't just jumpstart them all, but must continuously power each and every one.
The only alternative is to let them all die...and let reality start over from absolute scratch. Loki wasn't willing to let that happen...but he was willing to care for the existing multiverse for eternity.
Don't plant your pumpkins by your carrots, pumpkins expand in all directions, exponentially. Er, said the Farmboy.
Welcome to the Citadel, nice.
Loki can rewrite the story, as soon as he stops trying to cheat. Which is fitting.
Eureka: Press The Button.
now u know why time power is green)
Haha, in case of Loki even when we see a dead body it may not mean they're dead XD
Loki's always been slow, but when he was shown a way that wasn't cheating, like rescuiing the people on Asgard with the rock guy, different Loki, when he saw the way, he took it.
Like Thor's moment at the Forge.
Mobius was thinking about watercraft, so was I, a Jet Ski is Artic cat a skidoo, is Polaris, Minnesota boy says.
Thank You Tom Hiddleston for the 14 years of Loki 😢😢
The multiversal war does threaten HWR's existence but these Kang Variants were wiping out entire realities, tens of trillions of lives. So it beares consquences for everyone. But then again, can you completely trust what he says.
Gods be changing clothes.
He Who Remains could more accurately be described as the Kang Who Beat The Other Kangs, the good or bad kang? I don't know the one who won.
Tom hiddleston has been superb! 😮❤
Ok, Loki's still cheating by wanting to know the past. Go!
Ok, no one seems to be making this point, or maybe I just missed it, but can't loki just time slip anywhere and when he wants, then go back to the exact moment he left? Being completely free to roam all time, and still hold the timelines together?
I mean has Sylvie experienced peace they tried to prune her as a child for what, playing with toys, and then she hid inside apocalypses from the TVA, Whose peace?
Always somewhere to go for the little girl Loki who was pruned, why? I don't know. But Loki won't let you die. Cause.
No one noticed that KANG just put a god in bondage..
All of season 2was KANG getting what he wanted...
It's not FOR a muliverse, it's AGAINST a multiverse.
PUMPKINS.
Maybe Loki is learning...?
More Burden than Glorious Purpose.
Timely was the boy
Technically Victor Timely has only died once.
The survey says, the Big Cheater.
Ygissil. The tree.
Time travel to change things is cheating.
What is god of stories by the way?
Loki
@@hi_pd GOD OF TIME & MULTIVERSE. He has always been there at the END of Time. That's why Time Stone is Green 💚
@@Hazy_y I know
My only disappointment 3 authors on second edition also No Mobius on a watercraft.
3 choices. Kill Sylvie. Don't kill Sylvie. or Do your own thing.
Exactly too much cheating in the timeline, but it won't work. Cheating won't work for Loki it NEVER has, he has to be honest. I mean I think he changed the galaxy (not multiverse) when Thanos killed him certainly changed Thor. This is NOT that Loki, this one still lying to himself. And cheating, he's NEVER WIN cheating. What is cheating? Time Travel.
FanDom is like femdom? anyway, I went back in time centuries and you don't have to tell me to like and subscribe because I've heard it 1,000,000,000,001 times and that's what He Who Remains said. Doesn't hurt me to do so, I do it from purpose, not burden, so you don't have to nag me.
More cheating, can't cheat Loki it's not going to work, how about learning, my Ice Giant?
Loki should not have held on all the Multiverse branches. Loki is allowing the MCUs Wokeverse variants to exist.