2 Individuals cannot learn: the arrogant and the shy. The shy does not ask questions and the arrogant think he kows. Wornd us the last prophet ( peace on him)
Literally UNLiMiTed. Trying to make someone understand what infinite means and that his own logic would't apply to those so-called parallel universes! I would've smashed something.
Here is an interesting point. Before dinosaur bones were discovered if the scientists were asked what has a greater possibility.gigantic creatures flying or a winged horse they would definitely choose the winged horse. Now they believe in the giant creatures flying yet laugh at the concept of the winged horse!
MasyaAllah. This is why you should always feel blessed to be a muslim. Cuz if Allah wants to lock your heart (to be a disbeliever) then there's nothing could help you.
I see you are an atheist. I was reffering my innitial statement to fellow muslims. But I still invite you to read the surah that I've just said to give you insight about our believe
It means no matter what evidence is brought forward you reject the concept of an all powerful being outside this universe. However you will claim that you will believe in God if you saw him. Damn right you will.
Mr. Spanky McQuarter do you realize that you were the same as those 3 man.. havent you learned anyhing from those conversation. You're not stating anything new. While, with rationality would agreed that infinite means infinite.. its endless.. theres no end. If you think the universe is infinite than you're very wrong. Theres even so many movies about apocalypse or destruction of planet earth. Scientist now even talking about how the earth will die, global warming-climate change-volcanoes-or even large scale tsunami's.
He has no understanding.. he just know the words and stuff to keep someone his having a conversation with believe that his intelligent enough to continue speaking with but once you speak to this guy then you understand that they’re not intelligent people.. they have no understanding and now I believe understanding was not blessed to everyone.. he doesn’t understand or comprehend what unlimited is
I think before we feel bloated and be overwhelmed and agitated why some people have not, maybe yet, believed in God or in what we believe, we should look at ourselves deeply, and see our own limitedness and imperfection. Intelligence alone isn't what gets us to Allah. So please, for those who understand, keep humble and know that your not advantaged because of your intelligence or because you're better than these people. Only Allah knows what's hidden in our hearts, and how we will end in the afterlife. None of us is entitled to anything except by the mercy and grace of Allah.
Between the 10-19 minute mark, multiverse theory is introduced and discussed. Sam doesn't quite understand what Muhammad is trying to elucidate. Unlimited means... unlimited. Sam is looking through the scope of what is possible in OUR universe compared to what another universe could do (with OUR universe as the standard -- which you cannot do because in multiverse theory, each and every universe is separate from the other in limits/restraints/possibilities and none can be held as a standard to another). So to put it in layman terms, the atheist is trying to tell Hijab it can either be universe A or B because if it cannot be universe A, it must be universe B. Hijab asks why can it ONLY be A and B when in multiverse theory the possibilities in those universes are endless. The atheist then responds with an assertion that A must be the standard upon which B relies on (uses the lightning bolts out of eyes example -- if it can't work in universe A because of our scientific limits, then it wouldn't be possible in universe B because gravity would be different = humans wouldn't exist) Here, I feel like Sam as well as the general public viewing the video would understand Hijab's point more clearly if Hijab stated that "You are saying it can only be A or B in multiverse theory, knowing that the possibilities are endless. I am saying it can be A, B, C, D, E... Z, AB, AC, AD, AE, AGZ, AMXY etc etc." Even though this example would initially be seen as counterproductive because technically the AB, AC, AD argument has its own finite numerical restraint, it would clear up the smog of the argument and allow Sam to see that he cannot selfishly use OUR universe's scientific restraints as a standard for an unlimited amount of other possible universes.
so desperate to convince others of your metaphysics. Please remind us why it is important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
da best o' da best thank Go... almost put my foot in my mouth, for copy/paste. Feel free to ask any question of me, I will answer, of course I expect the courtesy of reciprocity. So how about you answer the question, why is it important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being?
da best o' da best "why is it not important?" the same reason it is not important to believe in any of the supernatural beings that we humans claim exist, e.g. Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Garnesha, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman, Yahweh, Amaterasu, Ahura Mazda, Ekankar, Elohim, Aphrodite, Zeus, Apollo..etc. No doubt you have no reason NOT TO think it is important to believe in every supernatural being that humans claim exists. My reason for being dismissive of all these claims including your claim is that it is divisive and second it contributes nothing to solving pertinent problems of human existence, e.g. how will we solve the problems of crime, corruption, environmental degradation, starvation, shelter, energy generation, ensuring we have a second home planet for survival redundancy of our species and that of other species that we depend on. You know I agree with the abolition of alcohol, usury, smoking & the unnecessary killing of non-humans for food. So let us design a society where we do not need to use the threat of punishment as a deterrent to crime, corruption, environmental degradation etc... How would you do that?
sam can't get the concept of unlimited if Mohammed said there was a pink flying gorilla sam would have said yes but he didn't want to accept Mohammed example
leadfarmer what you've done is called deliberate repulsiveness, you're intentionally making it sound bad, it's like saying scientists believe in flying vaginas in the air(black holes)
leadfarmer so desperate to convince others of your metaphysics. Please remind us why it is important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
SCDawah Channel when you cut the videos can you guys add a 10 second from the end of the previous video to the next part ,just for us not to get confused ,thanks
People: “Unlimited amount of possibilities do you agree?” Atheist: “I agree” People: “So there’s possibilities of it being A,B,C...~ Y, Z” Atheist: “No that’s not possible”
May Allah swt grant Muhammad Hijab from His bounty. I learnt the contingency argument as well as the necessity to believe in all possibilities including events like the miraj, if one believes there are infinite multiverses.
18:56 after watching this video I realize that these guys can’t understand the contingency argument. If I was an atheist this is how the conversation would go down Mohammed Hijab: all things with limited variables are contingent Me: If there are limited variables, and all things are contingent, what is the universe contingent upon? Hijab: we call that Allah. Me: What are the definitions for Allah Hijab: The noncontingent one. The next logical questions would be why do we have to worship Allah, why do we have prophets ecetera, which are rational questions to ask. But instead these guys go “I don’t want to admit the universe is contingent upon anything, I just think the universe is actually a perpetual energy machine and uses energy from a place with no energy and I’m smart for thinking that” remember people blind belief is a sign of a lack of critical thinking and it’s ironic that these atheists have blind beliefs
I think the best arguments are made directly from the Qur'an (i.e. how it's immutable/ its predictions of the future/ the naturalistic phenomenon described within it (much of which were just recently discovered), and the code for ethics/morals it provides. Not saying there is anything wrong using pure logic, but even that has its limits. And Allah knows best.
Man, just read this. www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/age_of_universe.htm It's easy to understand so please don't make this harder for yourself than it already is and accept Islam
srnp0007 The seven heavens are in relation to the layers of the atmosphere; please read this for further reference miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_19.html In actuality it is correct; the earth, the mountains and then then atmosphere.. hope that answers your question; good luck and may you find truth
Bruh just *read it* plz im sure you will understand. You yourself read the verse kindly in the link. check it. i can copy/paste it but that would too much effort so you just read it. Here let give you the link again. www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/age_of_universe.htm
da best o' da best "one question, do you read the quran????" How did you arrive at your conviction that ISLAM IS TRUE? I can only assume you have also read ALL other religious scriptures, e.g. the Vedas, the Bible, the Torah, the Buddhist scriptures, the Sikh scripture, Tao scripture, Shinto scripture, the Zoroastrian scripture, the Norse scriptures...etc. Of course Muslims insist,that to really understand the Quran one has to understand Arabic, so forgive me but I'm still learning Hebrew, Sanskrit, Pali, Greek, Punjabi, Japanese, Chinese ...etc. Do you see the dilemma one faces about the absolutely truth claims that are mutually exclusive, i.e. if one religion is correct the others cannot be. The only way to know which, if any, is true is to learn the ORIGINAL language of each of the religious scriptures and study them. Given, as Theists insist, our ETERNAL fate rests on thoughts shaped by belief, it would seem that stakes are extremely high to GET OUR CONVICTION RIGHT. I cannot imagine how many decades it would take to learn all the languages of the original holy scriptures religions and then read the respective scripture for a truly comparative study, one would also need to study science(maths, cosmology, biology, genetics, chemistry, Newtonian physics and quantum physics) in order to understand the atheist perspective also. How many years did YOU need to make this comprehensive comparative study that determines your ETERNAL fate? Given what is at stake we all better hope that REINCARNATION is true....lol.
Towards the end, I think the reason for the guy to not agree with the "infinite amount of possibilities", is because he assumes we exist because of the fine-tuning of this universe and hence human life is not possible without the same fine-tuned limits of this universe and hence humans can't be any other way in a different universe, because for them to exist, the fine-tuned limits already set what the humans can do, which we already observe in this universe.
The fact that the Multiverse conversation was confusing them , gave me a headache. What’s so difficult in understanding the theory of “ infinite possibilities “.
I have deal with these type of atheist before, the reason is very simple of why they don't want to accept God. When I asked them why and found out that I think its safe to say all of them have grudge against God. Example "if God existed why there is suffering in the world", "if God existed, then why didn't he helped the poor child", "God did not helped me when I am in trouble". All of them leads to a single point of which is hatred or grudge against God. Not even a single atheist of this type gave me a different pattern of answer. I think only Agnostic or agnostic-atheist the ones who truly seek the truth, answers. Correct me if I'm wrong then by all means.
the same conclusion related with "grudge" said by brother Nouman Ali Khan in his video. his own experience also. new insight for me about agnostic the ones who truly the truth, you make me think, maybe you're right, because they're not from religious family and starting their journey to search for the truth.
Amazing point being brought up. I wanted to see Br. Ali get into it about uncertainty and peace. Also I think the whole "more evidence" thing from the one in blue would/should have been questioned more, like do you consider evidence and what IF it happened/shown to you would convince you of this independent thing.
da best o' da best you would be better off answering the question than criticizing me for asking a legitimate question at every pasting, I welcome criticism however, criticism without solutions contributes nothing, please feel free to contribute.
veganath Well, if you want to talk about the supernatural of god, I do not say that the supernatural is real, but the supernatural relationship of supernatural intervention is indeed interconnected, for example about coincidence and prediction, some prophecies that include theologians learn are very strange or extraordinary. there is even a theological theology of theologians of Islam believe in evolution, you can read in the Qur'anic verses, it's about our species, *(Quran **2:30**) And your Lord said to the angels "They will make a successor on Earth", They said "How can you make [a successor] someone who corrupts and sheds blood while we praise and sanctify You?" He said "I know what you do not know."* *(Quran 6.133) Your Lord, the Rich and Merciful, if he wishes, can discard you and succeed you with "WHATEVER" He wishes; Just like He created you from the seed of another clan.* ; this is about human beings before us, homo javanicus, neanderthals and others ?, we all know that there is evidence of ancient human fossils that are different from us, and science directs that they are also the ancestors of our closest relatives. The quran says we have an ancestor or race associated with us. they all left only fossils in a short time when homo sapiens appeared, and obviously humans often kill each other, the Quran itself says that God could replace us with another human if he / she wanted. in verse 2:30 says about the successor of man, that is true only we homo sapiens are left, in verse 6: 133 we actually come from a different ancestor ?. yes it is true, they are also human and also have clan even though we are smarter than them. and more clearly. *(Quran 56.58-62) Do you see your own cement? Do you create it or Do We [God] create it? We decreed the death between you and nobody beat Us to alter your form and raise you in the forms that you do not perceive. And you have figured out your first form if only you would remember.* ; this even says the specific thing about whether man is the one who created man or god ?, even the evolution theory proof is so exaggerated in this verse, how our previous form, whether fish ?, ape ?, or even the first microbiological creatures alive. (the theory of evolution says humans come from mammals that change its shape) imagine if this is a coincidence, how can a person who lived 1400 years ago happened to write these strange words in the middle of a barren desert, not considered a madman in those days . even many Muslims who do not believe in evolution, and this interpretation, because you could be a follower of darwinism, or laughed at. but theological Muslims can make you more shocked than all theologians of other religions
how can he say our scientific limits can't allow human beings to fly? It allowed huge Pterosaurs to fly. He's inadvertently betrayed his disbelief in evolution.
they simply don't want a god.... it doesn't matter if he exists ... they don't want to know ... they don't like to follow orders and be restricted in their actions... it is not a matter of proof ..even if god shows in the sky and tells them i am your god they wont believe him and find an absurd explanation to it.
Bro Muhammad is so humble after giving so much knock out and still being nice. If I were him I probably ridiculed these Atheist just to make them realize their idiocy.
steeven coogan even if you guys produced merit worthy evidence for your extraordinary claims, it still begs the question, why is it important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
steeven coogan even if you guys produced merit worthy evidence for your extraordinary claims, it still begs the question, why is it important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
To them is more deductible to believe there are something out there which are "limited in variable and independent" despite overwhelming evidence on the contrary. How scientific they are ..sighhh
The atheist does not concede the point of contingency because of the problem of induction, he later on doesn't concede the point of the infinite multiverse theory where everything (hypothetically) is actualised because of yet again his problem of induction, though it is a hypothetical example where all possibilities can be actualised, so induction is out of the picture.
He applies (the atheist) what he has seen and knows in this paradigm and cannot comprehend another paradigm/paradigms with different features. He presupposes that in the other (hypothetical) universes the same constructs of life and laws of the universe are the same, whilst the theist is clearly stating otherwise with clear logical reasoning. Infinite universes which means an infinite amount of variables and thus an infinite amount of outcomes.
Assalamu Aleikum Mohammed Hidjab, Your contingency argument could also be applicable to disproving evolution theory (at least) with out creation at the basis.
One thing I think I really believe now is.. understanding is for the smart.. not everyone is blessed with it.. someone’s vocabulary and the way they dress doesn’t prove their intelligence.. people are good at memorising
You should ask this simple question: Could there be a universe wich is exactly the same like ours, but there is Superman who can fly etc. When there are İNFİNİTE numbers of universes there is (must be) a universe like ours with a superman. Atheist must say: ''Yes''. End of the conversation..
3:30 he’s now bringing in black swan into the wrong context. The argument is that anything has finite variables, then it is dependent. If we travel to another planet, it would still have finite variables. Now you could say “what if we travelled to another dimension, and it didn’t have finite variables” is like saying “what if we were all actually purple watermelons by the seashore” yeah sure you can “what if” all day but that doesn’t reduce the strength of the initial argument. Yes you cannot absolutely prove there is finite variables, but you cannot actually prove anything. That’s what brother Hijab keeps calling these people out on, in every other science, everyone accepts strong evidence as acceptable until falsified, but when it comes to religion alone, atheists keep pushing the bar by saying “it’s not strong enough, it’s not strong enough” instead of actually just trying to falsify the argument the way you normally do in science. And what’s frustrating with these guys is that they know they can’t falsify it, they admit that if they accept the strong evidence, they are one step closer to believing in Allah, but then they go back to their strategy of “what if”, “it’s not strong enough” and the silliest one “I just don’t like it”. How can these people consider themselves intellectually honest or rational?
I think Sam got tired and was unable to think anymore, Mohamed is clearly saying infinite possibilities that means every single conceivable or inconceivable scenario must happen, and he's like :no I disagree with that, like man take a moment to think there
17:00 this guy just doesn’t get it. In multiverse theory, there is an be a universe with different rules. In this guys head, he literally cannot perceive a reality with different rules. He just keeps proposing realities with the same rules with slight changes. He doesn’t actually understand multiverse theory. He keeps thinking that the human creation is unique, but that’s just because humans are unique according to the rules of this universe. Human beings can be anything in infinite multiverses with an infinite amount of different rules. It’s not so hard to understand, even little kids who watch comic book movies can understand this.
If they are all the same then the multiverse stops being an explanation for fine tuning. If they were infinite and varied then all options are open and Sam is the one trying to convince hijab that God exists in one.
Sam doesn't seem to understand what 'infinite or unlimited' possibilities mean. He kept limiting what possible and not possible to the limits of our universe.
Sr68720 Origin of the universe = We don't know, and it isn't useful to presuppose something supernatural, e.g. a universe creating pixie..etc. How about we investigate using the best methodology we know of for determining how things work, and that methodology isn't faith, it is science, but be patient in the fact that it is ok not to know.
Sarfraz Khan it wasn't too long ago that you levelled criticism at me i.e."Stop spamming comments section Veganath. You have nothing to say." Sarfraz, I do not imagine for a minute that you have nothing of substance to say. I welcome your comments as much and I welcome criticism of my ideas as should we all, however, criticism without proposing solutions contributes nothing.
How do they understand the meaning of infinite possibilities? lol. Ironically that one dud eis trapped by the current scientific paradigm and assumes the same things would be true elsewhere as here, when he spoke of evolution, which thomas kuhn spoke about and proved the problematic aspect of that.
May Allah bless our brother doing open dawah on Islam. Hope this heard by our brother doing the dawah which one of our ustaz/scholar giving analogy of the isra mikraj by giving example of an ant travelling probably 500km in one day is possible. Well, to an ant it may not be possible to travel such distance in such period of time, but to the human who bringing the ant in his pocket and flying with let say aeroplane or helicopter, it would be possible for the ant to travel that distance back and forth in one day. Because the capability of the human possess. And so as well the israj and mikraj, is the capability of Allah power and it should have not been impossible to isra and mikraj to happen because Allah is the AlMighty and can do whatever He wants.
Actually i don't agree how there can be infinite possibilities, if you believe in a multiverse. Taking our universe, there cannot be an infinite amount of possibilities. Because, there is only a finite number of ways for matter or energy to be arranged. Impossible things cannot exist or happen, such as a squared circle. Impossible things may exist in other universe's but not in this one. Taking the isra and miraj example, according to known science, this cannot happen even if the universe is infinitely large and existed for eternity, because impossible things cannot exist or happen. There is not an infinite number of possibilities. Matter and energy can only be arranged in a finite number of ways, that cannot contradict with the laws of the universe.
6:20 oh no. These guys just exposed themselves. They aren’t even good atheists. Brother hijab: Does Rationality exist? Them: yes BH: prove it Them: crickets The old man: actually using rationality to prove that rationality exists is a strong argument BH: that’s a cyclical argument Old man: all arguments are cyclical Are you kidding me? Like now I think these people just don’t believe in god because the television told them so.
Why do people debate something that no facts are given for? Why debate a personal subjective experience or faith itself? I have no time for useless conversation.
People like Sam make me feel so embarrassed and sad for the human race.. Bro unlimited means unlimited but in his mind his still understanding limited.. he doesn’t understand infinite or finite.. unlimited and limited.. Sam still thinks in a unlimited theory there’s still limited then it wouldn’t be unlimited it’s limited unlimited would make it unlimited
this one have a flawed in it.. the reason the prophet can go above to heaven cause he have a ride.. and tht ride arent from this realm.. it have different attribute which enable it to cross space travel which to us seems impossible yet to it no problem at all.. should use other example like rationality equal to hv faith equal to believe in religion(one god) only of part which makes sense.. thts y some of claimed religion(hindus,trinity) have part which makes no sense to believe.. ur task to makes them believe in religion(one god) and able to show sense and reasoning in all part including some of the unseen part of the religion(one god) the different of Islam religion(one god) compare to other claimed religion is tht all part in it can be believe via rationality, sense and reasoning.. so to believe in existence of God which is One compare to none or trinity etc is more sensible and reasonable.. aka the one who create know more than the one who been created.. and if a being appear claimed which says this certain complex creation have things and give details of it and no other human present and past know of this.. and now the future(present time) knowledge prove tht claim(the details) very true and precise.. it shows tht it is more reasonable and more rational to believe tht being posses knowledge which transcend human and worth a lot to be paid/receive attention for.. believing something producing things is more rational and reasonable than believing nothing produce things scientific in the Quran is called prove and miracle(knowledge that is reveal ahead of time) which give enough reasoning and argument for those who have decent sensibility and decent mind to accept reasoning and understanding to believe in it.. and those who rejected/denied it.. we should have no qualms whatsoever of their choice (although most of them the unbeliever will lash out nonsense to support their mindset[they hv set their choice so tht anything else come they will reject it])
The atheist arguments is false because is cells could evolve in such a way that although he is same human his cells can survive lower gravity there for he can fly
12:16 uhh, how do you know a human being can exist in this multiverse, you just said the laws can be different, but your are still using your current realities rules. You said that “a place with different rules can’t make a human that shoots out lightening eyeballs, because in my current universe, my eyeballs don’t shoot out Lightning” dude what your saying is “the place with different rules can’t have rules that are different”
unlimited universes doesnt mean that the impossible is now possible, it also doesnt mean 'every outcome'. we can't know what is possible in another universe, but we can know that the laws of logic will always apply.
he just said infinite number of universes means infinite number of possibilities i.e. anything can happen ..he didn't say every outcome is possible in another universe.. he said that for each imaginable possibility, there could be a universe (among those infinite number of universes) that actualizes that possibility. As they agreed that all the universes will not be exactly the same they could be different..
It’s funny seeing theists try to point out fallacies in other arguments. The uncreated creator? Special pleading fallacy. Quran so perfect implausible for human to create it? Argument from ignorance/incredulity.
Hajib said "unlimited amount of possibilities" saying anything is possible in the multiverse. Athiest is saying things are possible only up to what's scientifically possible. Thing is.. the athiest has a point, but we dont currently know the limits of science.. Athiest is assuming that things that have not been discovered yet are not possible.
One thing i can say for certain after watching all 3 parts, Brother Muhammad has an "unlimited amount" of patience with these folks...
I like this from you @Ali A: ..." "unlimited amount" of patience.." Dakwah needs it of course
2 Individuals cannot learn: the arrogant and the shy. The shy does not ask questions and the arrogant think he kows. Wornd us the last prophet ( peace on him)
Lmao
Literally UNLiMiTed. Trying to make someone understand what infinite means and that his own logic would't apply to those so-called parallel universes!
I would've smashed something.
do you have all 3 links by any chance? can't find them anywhere
Here is an interesting point. Before dinosaur bones were discovered if the scientists were asked what has a greater possibility.gigantic creatures flying or a winged horse they would definitely choose the winged horse. Now they believe in the giant creatures flying yet laugh at the concept of the winged horse!
MasyaAllah. This is why you should always feel blessed to be a muslim. Cuz if Allah wants to lock your heart (to be a disbeliever) then there's nothing could help you.
Susilowati Widodoputro what exactly do u mean by locked heart?
I was referring to what Allah says in Surah Al-Baqarah (chapter 2, verse 6-7). Open and read your Quran
I see you are an atheist. I was reffering my innitial statement to fellow muslims. But I still invite you to read the surah that I've just said to give you insight about our believe
He meant the sealed heart ! Perhaps English is not his first language
It means no matter what evidence is brought forward you reject the concept of an all powerful being outside this universe.
However you will claim that you will believe in God if you saw him. Damn right you will.
If it's infinite, literally ANYTHING could happen.
Rahma Mohamed but when it comes to theist narrative they deny it
That's the Quran confirms it. Even if there is strong evidence, they still would not believe
Mr. Spanky McQuarter do you realize that you were the same as those 3 man.. havent you learned anyhing from those conversation. You're not stating anything new. While, with rationality would agreed that infinite means infinite.. its endless.. theres no end.
If you think the universe is infinite than you're very wrong. Theres even so many movies about apocalypse or destruction of planet earth. Scientist now even talking about how the earth will die, global warming-climate change-volcanoes-or even large scale tsunami's.
In one, Richard Dawkins is a hardcore Salafi
He has no understanding.. he just know the words and stuff to keep someone his having a conversation with believe that his intelligent enough to continue speaking with but once you speak to this guy then you understand that they’re not intelligent people.. they have no understanding and now I believe understanding was not blessed to everyone.. he doesn’t understand or comprehend what unlimited is
{We brought you the truth, but most of you were averse to the truth.} Quran : [43.78]
The patience Br Muhammad has is astounding. I’d lose my head with many of these guys. The amount of times they contradict themselves is startling.
I think before we feel bloated and be overwhelmed and agitated why some people have not, maybe yet, believed in God or in what we believe, we should look at ourselves deeply, and see our own limitedness and imperfection. Intelligence alone isn't what gets us to Allah. So please, for those who understand, keep humble and know that your not advantaged because of your intelligence or because you're better than these people. Only Allah knows what's hidden in our hearts, and how we will end in the afterlife. None of us is entitled to anything except by the mercy and grace of Allah.
Mashallah brother, and I thank you for keeping us humble. May Allah bless you for this advice and recommendation, ameen.
الحمدلله
if god came to them from the sky they wud say its an illusion.
Between the 10-19 minute mark, multiverse theory is introduced and discussed. Sam doesn't quite understand what Muhammad is trying to elucidate. Unlimited means... unlimited. Sam is looking through the scope of what is possible in OUR universe compared to what another universe could do (with OUR universe as the standard -- which you cannot do because in multiverse theory, each and every universe is separate from the other in limits/restraints/possibilities and none can be held as a standard to another).
So to put it in layman terms, the atheist is trying to tell Hijab it can either be universe A or B because if it cannot be universe A, it must be universe B. Hijab asks why can it ONLY be A and B when in multiverse theory the possibilities in those universes are endless. The atheist then responds with an assertion that A must be the standard upon which B relies on (uses the lightning bolts out of eyes example -- if it can't work in universe A because of our scientific limits, then it wouldn't be possible in universe B because gravity would be different = humans wouldn't exist)
Here, I feel like Sam as well as the general public viewing the video would understand Hijab's point more clearly if Hijab stated that "You are saying it can only be A or B in multiverse theory, knowing that the possibilities are endless. I am saying it can be A, B, C, D, E... Z, AB, AC, AD, AE, AGZ, AMXY etc etc."
Even though this example would initially be seen as counterproductive because technically the AB, AC, AD argument has its own finite numerical restraint, it would clear up the smog of the argument and allow Sam to see that he cannot selfishly use OUR universe's scientific restraints as a standard for an unlimited amount of other possible universes.
Said Abdi sam didn't want to accept the example be hijab gave if he had just said a flying horse sam would have accepted that
so desperate to convince others of your metaphysics. Please remind us why it is important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
da best o' da best
thank Go... almost put my foot in my mouth, for copy/paste. Feel free to ask any question of me, I will answer, of course I expect the courtesy of reciprocity. So how about you answer the question, why is it important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being?
da best o' da best "why is it not important?" the same reason it is not important to believe in any of the supernatural beings that we humans claim exist, e.g. Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Garnesha, Rama, Krishna, Hanuman, Yahweh, Amaterasu, Ahura Mazda, Ekankar, Elohim, Aphrodite, Zeus, Apollo..etc. No doubt you have no reason NOT TO think it is important to believe in every supernatural being that humans claim exists. My reason for being dismissive of all these claims including your claim is that it is divisive and second it contributes nothing to solving pertinent problems of human existence, e.g. how will we solve the problems of crime, corruption, environmental degradation, starvation, shelter, energy generation, ensuring we have a second home planet for survival redundancy of our species and that of other species that we depend on.
You know I agree with the abolition of alcohol, usury, smoking & the unnecessary killing of non-humans for food. So let us design a society where we do not need to use the threat of punishment as a deterrent to crime, corruption, environmental degradation etc... How would you do that?
@@veganath are you an utopic idealist? You want a perfect society without harsh deterrent? Keep you're feet on earth, please
sam can't get the concept of unlimited if Mohammed said there was a pink flying gorilla sam would have said yes but he didn't want to accept Mohammed example
leadfarmer what you've done is called deliberate repulsiveness, you're intentionally making it sound bad, it's like saying scientists believe in flying vaginas in the air(black holes)
Nafees Unnisa nah im just saying sam is not understanding the cpncept of unlimited in this discussion
Nafees Unnisa you clearly lost it
Nafees Unnisa yep you've lost it
leadfarmer so desperate to convince others of your metaphysics. Please remind us why it is important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
5:28-5:50 moments of silence...
SCDawah Channel when you cut the videos can you guys add a 10 second from the end of the previous video to the next part ,just for us not to get confused ,thanks
Mounir Bouallagui yeah.. I think the same
Yaaaaaa
Yes things were getting really spicy and I want to see Mohammed Hijabs explanation to Sam regarding how one unlimited being can rely on another.
Lol MashaAllah this was a knock out come back
Abu Muhamed Alee Al Ansari even adelaide Byrd couldn't get this wrong lol
“Understanding” is not something that just comes with age I genuinely believe it’s a blessing if you’re given this quality from Allah
Wallahi! MashaAllah
if you say something can't happen in an unlimited, infinite reality, then you are limiting it
that was a good one, love atheist vs theist debates
Nile Khads it's a muslim speaking to atheists
@@belindahb a muslim is a theist
People: “Unlimited amount of possibilities do you agree?”
Atheist: “I agree”
People: “So there’s possibilities of it being A,B,C...~ Y, Z”
Atheist: “No that’s not possible”
Some people desperately try find any reason to disbelieve.
May Allah swt grant Muhammad Hijab from His bounty. I learnt the contingency argument as well as the necessity to believe in all possibilities including events like the miraj, if one believes there are infinite multiverses.
Great discussion and amazing work by brother Mohammad Hijab Ma-Sha'Allah.
18:56 after watching this video I realize that these guys can’t understand the contingency argument. If I was an atheist this is how the conversation would go down
Mohammed Hijab: all things with limited variables are contingent
Me: If there are limited variables, and all things are contingent, what is the universe contingent upon?
Hijab: we call that Allah.
Me: What are the definitions for Allah
Hijab: The noncontingent one.
The next logical questions would be why do we have to worship Allah, why do we have prophets ecetera, which are rational questions to ask. But instead these guys go “I don’t want to admit the universe is contingent upon anything, I just think the universe is actually a perpetual energy machine and uses energy from a place with no energy and I’m smart for thinking that” remember people blind belief is a sign of a lack of critical thinking and it’s ironic that these atheists have blind beliefs
Our job is to sow the seed insh'allah its Allah's job to choose which grows and which does not
It's written in Sha Allah
I think the best arguments are made directly from the Qur'an (i.e. how it's immutable/ its predictions of the future/ the naturalistic phenomenon described within it (much of which were just recently discovered), and the code for ethics/morals it provides. Not saying there is anything wrong using pure logic, but even that has its limits. And Allah knows best.
The Quran never states that the earth was created first.
Man, just read this. www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/age_of_universe.htm
It's easy to understand so please don't make this harder for yourself than it already is and accept Islam
srnp0007 The seven heavens are in relation to the layers of the atmosphere; please read this for further reference miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_19.html
In actuality it is correct; the earth, the mountains and then then atmosphere.. hope that answers your question; good luck and may you find truth
Bruh just *read it* plz im sure you will understand. You yourself read the verse kindly in the link. check it. i can copy/paste it but that would too much effort so you just read it. Here let give you the link again. www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/age_of_universe.htm
da best o' da best "one question, do you read the quran????" How did you arrive at your conviction that ISLAM IS TRUE? I can only assume you have also read ALL other religious scriptures, e.g. the Vedas, the Bible, the Torah, the Buddhist scriptures, the Sikh scripture, Tao scripture, Shinto scripture, the Zoroastrian scripture, the Norse scriptures...etc. Of course Muslims insist,that to really understand the Quran one has to understand Arabic, so forgive me but I'm still learning Hebrew, Sanskrit, Pali, Greek, Punjabi, Japanese, Chinese ...etc. Do you see the dilemma one faces about the absolutely truth claims that are mutually exclusive, i.e. if one religion is correct the others cannot be. The only way to know which, if any, is true is to learn the ORIGINAL language of each of the religious scriptures and study them. Given, as Theists insist, our ETERNAL fate rests on thoughts shaped by belief, it would seem that stakes are extremely high to GET OUR CONVICTION RIGHT. I cannot imagine how many decades it would take to learn all the languages of the original holy scriptures religions and then read the respective scripture for a truly comparative study, one would also need to study science(maths, cosmology, biology, genetics, chemistry, Newtonian physics and quantum physics) in order to understand the atheist perspective also. How many years did YOU need to make this comprehensive comparative study that determines your ETERNAL fate? Given what is at stake we all better hope that REINCARNATION is true....lol.
the title should've been 4 atheist vs 1 muslim
Towards the end, I think the reason for the guy to not agree with the "infinite amount of possibilities", is because he assumes we exist because of the fine-tuning of this universe and hence human life is not possible without the same fine-tuned limits of this universe and hence humans can't be any other way in a different universe, because for them to exist, the fine-tuned limits already set what the humans can do, which we already observe in this universe.
Good to see respect at the end no matter what skin or religion
The fact that the Multiverse conversation was confusing them , gave me a headache. What’s so difficult in understanding the theory of “ infinite possibilities “.
I have deal with these type of atheist before, the reason is very simple of why they don't want to accept God. When I asked them why and found out that I think its safe to say all of them have grudge against God. Example "if God existed why there is suffering in the world", "if God existed, then why didn't he helped the poor child", "God did not helped me when I am in trouble". All of them leads to a single point of which is hatred or grudge against God. Not even a single atheist of this type gave me a different pattern of answer. I think only Agnostic or agnostic-atheist the ones who truly seek the truth, answers. Correct me if I'm wrong then by all means.
the same conclusion related with "grudge" said by brother Nouman Ali Khan in his video. his own experience also. new insight for me about agnostic the ones who truly the truth, you make me think, maybe you're right, because they're not from religious family and starting their journey to search for the truth.
@@ultiumlabs4899 May God ease you to open your heart and accept the truth with willingness and understanding
MY GUY UNLIMITED MEANS UNLIMITED YOU DONT MAKE SENSE IF YOU SAY THERE IS LIMITS APPLIED TO WHAT CAN HAPPEN THEN IT IS NOT UNLIMITED
5:50 moment of silence hahahaa
🤣🤣😂💀🤌🏾
Even if there are 'Multiverses', nowhere in a universe will be a rationale theist who would say THERE IS ONE GOD AND ...GOD DIED...
"Do you believe in rationality?" Good question, but not the answer. Amateurs!
Amazing point being brought up. I wanted to see Br. Ali get into it about uncertainty and peace. Also I think the whole "more evidence" thing from the one in blue would/should have been questioned more, like do you consider evidence and what IF it happened/shown to you would convince you of this independent thing.
I have to say very interesting and intellectual conversation. And brother Hijab knew when to ended and walk away.
i wanted to hear the part 2's ending portion fully..its cut off :/
SubhanAllah ...I really am in tears. Atheism is really a disease. When one denies these arguments it is just mind blowing (specially the last one).
Jawed Hamdard and it is important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
lol kid
da best o' da best you would be better off answering the question than criticizing me for asking a legitimate question at every pasting, I welcome criticism however, criticism without solutions contributes nothing, please feel free to contribute.
when the question is in a proper way first!
veganath Well, if you want to talk about the supernatural of god, I do not say that the supernatural is real, but the supernatural relationship of supernatural intervention is indeed interconnected, for example about coincidence and prediction, some prophecies that include theologians learn are very strange or extraordinary. there is even a theological theology of theologians of Islam believe in evolution, you can read in the Qur'anic verses, it's about our species, *(Quran **2:30**) And your Lord said to the angels "They will make a successor on Earth", They said "How can you make [a successor] someone who corrupts and sheds blood while we praise and sanctify You?" He said "I know what you do not know."* *(Quran 6.133) Your Lord, the Rich and Merciful, if he wishes, can discard you and succeed you with "WHATEVER" He wishes; Just like He created you from the seed of another clan.* ; this is about human beings before us, homo javanicus, neanderthals and others ?, we all know that there is evidence of ancient human fossils that are different from us, and science directs that they are also the ancestors of our closest relatives. The quran says we have an ancestor or race associated with us. they all left only fossils in a short time when homo sapiens appeared, and obviously humans often kill each other, the Quran itself says that God could replace us with another human if he / she wanted. in verse 2:30 says about the successor of man, that is true only we homo sapiens are left, in verse 6: 133 we actually come from a different ancestor ?. yes it is true, they are also human and also have clan even though we are smarter than them. and more clearly. *(Quran 56.58-62) Do you see your own cement? Do you create it or Do We [God] create it? We decreed the death between you and nobody beat Us to alter your form and raise you in the forms that you do not perceive. And you have figured out your first form if only you would remember.* ; this even says the specific thing about whether man is the one who created man or god ?, even the evolution theory proof is so exaggerated in this verse, how our previous form, whether fish ?, ape ?, or even the first microbiological creatures alive. (the theory of evolution says humans come from mammals that change its shape) imagine if this is a coincidence, how can a person who lived 1400 years ago happened to write these strange words in the middle of a barren desert, not considered a madman in those days . even many Muslims who do not believe in evolution, and this interpretation, because you could be a follower of darwinism, or laughed at. but theological Muslims can make you more shocked than all theologians of other religions
omg do they know the meaning of unlimited? they will reject ANYTHING that destroys their arguments
how can he say our scientific limits can't allow human beings to fly? It allowed huge Pterosaurs to fly. He's inadvertently betrayed his disbelief in evolution.
he couldn't wrap his brain around an infinite amount of possibilities, it was cringe-worthy
they simply don't want a god.... it doesn't matter if he exists ... they don't want to know ... they don't like to follow orders and be restricted in their actions... it is not a matter of proof ..even if god shows in the sky and tells them i am your god they wont believe him and find an absurd explanation to it.
i really enjoyed these videos, May Allah bless you all.
This video is eye opener .
This shows athiests are not searching for rational arguments . Bcoz it's already their .
They lack spirituality .
Bro Muhammad is so humble after giving so much knock out and still being nice. If I were him I probably ridiculed these Atheist just to make them realize their idiocy.
steeven coogan even if you guys produced merit worthy evidence for your extraordinary claims, it still begs the question, why is it important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
After all that truth being revealed and explained these atheist just want to deny it not to disprove it.
steeven coogan even if you guys produced merit worthy evidence for your extraordinary claims, it still begs the question, why is it important to believe in your non-interventional supernatural being, WHY?
veganath Who created you?
veganath did u create urself 😂😂🤦🏾♂️
5:28 moment of silence
may ALLAH bless the brother and guide those ones
Alhumdulilla im a Muslim 😊
I'm still waiting for part 4. pls send link to that video
To them is more deductible to believe there are something out there which are "limited in variable and independent" despite overwhelming evidence on the contrary. How scientific they are ..sighhh
The atheist does not concede the point of contingency because of the problem of induction, he later on doesn't concede the point of the infinite multiverse theory where everything (hypothetically) is actualised because of yet again his problem of induction, though it is a hypothetical example where all possibilities can be actualised, so induction is out of the picture.
He applies (the atheist) what he has seen and knows in this paradigm and cannot comprehend another paradigm/paradigms with different features. He presupposes that in the other (hypothetical) universes the same constructs of life and laws of the universe are the same, whilst the theist is clearly stating otherwise with clear logical reasoning. Infinite universes which means an infinite amount of variables and thus an infinite amount of outcomes.
These gentlemen contradicted themselves multiple times...I hope they watch this again and reflect upon what has been said
Assalamu Aleikum Mohammed Hidjab,
Your contingency argument could also be applicable to disproving evolution theory (at least) with out creation at the basis.
One thing I think I really believe now is.. understanding is for the smart.. not everyone is blessed with it.. someone’s vocabulary and the way they dress doesn’t prove their intelligence.. people are good at memorising
You should ask this simple question: Could there be a universe wich is exactly the same like ours, but there is Superman who can fly etc. When there are İNFİNİTE numbers of universes there is (must be) a universe like ours with a superman. Atheist must say: ''Yes''. End of the conversation..
any one keeps watching this again and again?
These athiest should watch the show the flash. There can be a "sam" with a minor difference from the "sam" in this universe.
I get my iIman stronger after watching this..
3:30 he’s now bringing in black swan into the wrong context. The argument is that anything has finite variables, then it is dependent. If we travel to another planet, it would still have finite variables. Now you could say “what if we travelled to another dimension, and it didn’t have finite variables” is like saying “what if we were all actually purple watermelons by the seashore” yeah sure you can “what if” all day but that doesn’t reduce the strength of the initial argument. Yes you cannot absolutely prove there is finite variables, but you cannot actually prove anything. That’s what brother Hijab keeps calling these people out on, in every other science, everyone accepts strong evidence as acceptable until falsified, but when it comes to religion alone, atheists keep pushing the bar by saying “it’s not strong enough, it’s not strong enough” instead of actually just trying to falsify the argument the way you normally do in science. And what’s frustrating with these guys is that they know they can’t falsify it, they admit that if they accept the strong evidence, they are one step closer to believing in Allah, but then they go back to their strategy of “what if”, “it’s not strong enough” and the silliest one “I just don’t like it”. How can these people consider themselves intellectually honest or rational?
This is the problem with the believer and the non-believer... Non-believer can not understand why the believer believes and visa versa.
I think Sam got tired and was unable to think anymore, Mohamed is clearly saying infinite possibilities that means every single conceivable or inconceivable scenario must happen, and he's like :no I disagree with that, like man take a moment to think there
Masha allah
17:00 this guy just doesn’t get it. In multiverse theory, there is an be a universe with different rules. In this guys head, he literally cannot perceive a reality with different rules. He just keeps proposing realities with the same rules with slight changes. He doesn’t actually understand multiverse theory. He keeps thinking that the human creation is unique, but that’s just because humans are unique according to the rules of this universe. Human beings can be anything in infinite multiverses with an infinite amount of different rules. It’s not so hard to understand, even little kids who watch comic book movies can understand this.
If they are all the same then the multiverse stops being an explanation for fine tuning.
If they were infinite and varied then all options are open and Sam is the one trying to convince hijab that God exists in one.
Atheist : I believe I can shoot lightning bolts, but i can't fly sorry. 😔
I wish I can intervene so I can clear the idea they’re trying to say 😂 they’re so much misunderstanding
In other multiverse those atheist are more religious than hijab
mash Allah
The conversation has gone tooooooooo deeeeeeppp than the black holes
masha Allah
Sam doesn't seem to understand what 'infinite or unlimited' possibilities mean. He kept limiting what possible and not possible to the limits of our universe.
10:05 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
What I can't understand is atheists go to multiverse but don't want to accept god 🤔
Sr68720 Origin of the universe = We don't know, and it isn't useful to presuppose something supernatural, e.g. a universe creating pixie..etc. How about we investigate using the best methodology we know of for determining how things work, and that methodology isn't faith, it is science, but be patient in the fact that it is ok not to know.
Sarfraz Khan it wasn't too long ago that you levelled criticism at me i.e."Stop spamming comments section Veganath. You have nothing to say." Sarfraz, I do not imagine for a minute that you have nothing of substance to say. I welcome your comments as much and I welcome criticism of my ideas as should we all, however, criticism without proposing solutions contributes nothing.
Patje "Logic is part of science so how can you reject science by using logic?" thanks well said, now it is over to da best o' da best
@@veganath logic isn't part of science. Logic is a base of science.
@@yasfi5196 science is the best methodology we humans have at our disposal for arriving at solutions to problems, can we find consensus on that point?
YOU NEED TO GIVE US THE LINK TO THE NEXT VIDEO. SMH
Allah guides whom he will.
In part 3 Muhammad hijab just messed up with them
Mr hijab is superb MA.
Where's part 4
Hypocrisy is all that I can say about these stubborn atheists
I love to have discussions with a person if he is not a Bigot and Disingenuous.
How do they understand the meaning of infinite possibilities? lol. Ironically that one dud eis trapped by the current scientific paradigm and assumes the same things would be true elsewhere as here, when he spoke of evolution, which thomas kuhn spoke about and proved the problematic aspect of that.
If you have an unlimited counting number. Which number don't you have?
I think causation is better and simpler to understand than contingency argument.. I don't know why br hijab is not using that..?
May Allah bless our brother doing open dawah on Islam. Hope this heard by our brother doing the dawah which one of our ustaz/scholar giving analogy of the isra mikraj by giving example of an ant travelling probably 500km in one day is possible. Well, to an ant it may not be possible to travel such distance in such period of time, but to the human who bringing the ant in his pocket and flying with let say aeroplane or helicopter, it would be possible for the ant to travel that distance back and forth in one day. Because the capability of the human possess. And so as well the israj and mikraj, is the capability of Allah power and it should have not been impossible to isra and mikraj to happen because Allah is the AlMighty and can do whatever He wants.
Hijab is a savage
Actually i don't agree how there can be infinite possibilities, if you believe in a multiverse.
Taking our universe, there cannot be an infinite amount of possibilities. Because, there is only a finite number of ways for matter or energy to be arranged. Impossible things cannot exist or happen, such as a squared circle. Impossible things may exist in other universe's but not in this one. Taking the isra and miraj example, according to known science, this cannot happen even if the universe is infinitely large and existed for eternity, because impossible things cannot exist or happen.
There is not an infinite number of possibilities. Matter and energy can only be arranged in a finite number of ways, that cannot contradict with the laws of the universe.
6:20 oh no. These guys just exposed themselves. They aren’t even good atheists.
Brother hijab: Does Rationality exist?
Them: yes
BH: prove it
Them: crickets
The old man: actually using rationality to prove that rationality exists is a strong argument
BH: that’s a cyclical argument
Old man: all arguments are cyclical
Are you kidding me? Like now I think these people just don’t believe in god because the television told them so.
Why do people debate something that no facts are given for? Why debate a personal subjective experience or faith itself? I have no time for useless conversation.
If God apeared in the sky it wouldnt be God.
People like Sam make me feel so embarrassed and sad for the human race.. Bro unlimited means unlimited but in his mind his still understanding limited.. he doesn’t understand infinite or finite.. unlimited and limited.. Sam still thinks in a unlimited theory there’s still limited then it wouldn’t be unlimited it’s limited unlimited would make it unlimited
this one have a flawed in it.. the reason the prophet can go above to heaven cause he have a ride.. and tht ride arent from this realm.. it have different attribute which enable it to cross space travel which to us seems impossible yet to it no problem at all.. should use other example like rationality equal to hv faith equal to believe in religion(one god) only of part which makes sense.. thts y some of claimed religion(hindus,trinity) have part which makes no sense to believe.. ur task to makes them believe in religion(one god) and able to show sense and reasoning in all part including some of the unseen part of the religion(one god)
the different of Islam religion(one god) compare to other claimed religion is tht all part in it can be believe via rationality, sense and reasoning.. so to believe in existence of God which is One compare to none or trinity etc is more sensible and reasonable.. aka the one who create know more than the one who been created..
and if a being appear claimed which says this certain complex creation have things and give details of it and no other human present and past know of this.. and now the future(present time) knowledge prove tht claim(the details) very true and precise.. it shows tht it is more reasonable and more rational to believe tht being posses knowledge which transcend human and worth a lot to be paid/receive attention for..
believing something producing things is more rational and reasonable than believing nothing produce things
scientific in the Quran is called prove and miracle(knowledge that is reveal ahead of time) which give enough reasoning and argument for those who have decent sensibility and decent mind to accept reasoning and understanding to believe in it.. and those who rejected/denied it.. we should have no qualms whatsoever of their choice (although most of them the unbeliever will lash out nonsense to support their mindset[they hv set their choice so tht anything else come they will reject it])
The atheist arguments is false because is cells could evolve in such a way that although he is same human his cells can survive lower gravity there for he can fly
The blue guy is jaring
12:16 uhh, how do you know a human being can exist in this multiverse, you just said the laws can be different, but your are still using your current realities rules. You said that “a place with different rules can’t make a human that shoots out lightening eyeballs, because in my current universe, my eyeballs don’t shoot out Lightning” dude what your saying is “the place with different rules can’t have rules that are different”
"Stupid sam"
It's a bit funny and sad how this Sam bloke fails to understand the concept of infinite possibility in the theoretical multiverse framework.
unlimited universes doesnt mean that the impossible is now possible, it also doesnt mean 'every outcome'. we can't know what is possible in another universe, but we can know that the laws of logic will always apply.
he just said infinite number of universes means infinite number of possibilities i.e. anything can happen ..he didn't say every outcome is possible in another universe.. he said that for each imaginable possibility, there could be a universe (among those infinite number of universes) that actualizes that possibility. As they agreed that all the universes will not be exactly the same they could be different..
I am an aatheis. I dont believe atheis are exist.
It’s funny seeing theists try to point out fallacies in other arguments. The uncreated creator? Special pleading fallacy. Quran so perfect implausible for human to create it? Argument from ignorance/incredulity.
Hajib said "unlimited amount of possibilities" saying anything is possible in the multiverse.
Athiest is saying things are possible only up to what's scientifically possible.
Thing is.. the athiest has a point, but we dont currently know the limits of science.. Athiest is assuming that things that have not been discovered yet are not possible.
Sam knows there has to be a God. But he is a hypocrite. That's why Allah said to Muhammad PBUH that hidayah is in only his hand.
Haha
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