CSB Safety Video: Fire From Ice
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2008
- On February 16, 2007, a propane fire erupted at the Valero McKee Refinery in Sunray, Texas, north of Amarillo. Three workers suffered serious burns, and the refinery was forced to shut down. The fire began following a leak in the propane deasphalting unit and spread quickly, in part because of the rapid collapse of a major pipe rack carrying flammable hydrocarbons. Some of the rack's support columns had not been fireproofed.
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I can’t believe I’m binge watching these.
it scratches that itch that "mayday" and seconds from disaster" used to scratch ... and with barely any loss in animation quality :P
Dude.... Me too. Who would have thought that videos that ppl are forced to watch would be interesting
@@firefox5926 You got it,,!!
I don't know I find this stuff very interesting for some reason
Same
"Propane deasphalting unit" sounds like something that would blow up, tbh.
Literally all of chemical engineering is making sure that something that wants to blow up, doesn't blow up.
And rocket engineering is taking care things don't blow up too fast.
@@samiraperi467 And in the correct place, usualy the combustion chamber and nozzle.
Fluorine based oxydizers are well known to not always do that and making just about anything combust, even asbestos, sand and water.
Then there are also fuel leaks, wich in case of hydrogen need no further explanation and in case of hydrazine derivates are highly toxic.
@@awesomesir45 And literally all of explosives engineering is making things that really want to blow up, blow up -- but only on command.
I am curious WHY all of those pipes aren't under ground?!
Kudos to the manager who told everyone to book it. Probably saved everyone there.
@Cobra85291 fuck off troll.
@Jack Anderson it means to run, book is the sound shoes make on the ground, apparently
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Rare for these videos
I would've been like, "Who wants overtime?"
I feel like after watching 20+ of these videos in the last 2 days that I'm capable of walking into any refinery and doing my own inspections. Thank you CSB, I didn't need schooling or the Holiday Inn, I just needed you.
Lol I walked into a bathroom at AutoZone earlier to fill a jug with water for radiator. My mind started narrating, “But, unknown to the customer, the mop sink had a fatal flaw which had not been detected...”
@@Bankable2790 after 30 seconds at 11:34 AM, it violently exploded, killing 3000 contractors on site.
Literally
That's the sort of arrogance that results in these type of accidents
The best channel in TH-cam!
dude these are better than air crash investigation
They're good, but don't get crazy
I watch all the airplane crash investigations now I'm stuck on these
B. H. I feel attacked
The narrator is absolutely first rate.
You get in 10-15 minutes all the good stuff instead of dragging it out for 45.
Now I know how to safely inspect a refinery. Good info in case I decide to buy a refinery.
im an oil man...
@@Swoost Maybe instead of using Swoost you could use "Slick"! lol /s
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Interesting that the recommendations are easily implemented and not too costly. The CSB appears to be an efficient organization.
They are very good investigators, and they make good recommendations
However they have farcically little power to enforce those recommendations
And our lobbyist-controlled regulatory system hamstrings them even more
depends on if any life's are lost then it becomes the blame game.... when no one dies its blame bad policy or lack of rules and regulations or knowledge. you do not want to be the one CSB is investigating trust me. no lawyer will or can protect you.
@Master80059 until CEOs start seeing prison time, little will change.
There was actually freeze protection installed at the time. But it wasn’t being PMd
Unfortunately the CSB can only recommend, they can't enforce!
"There are inherently safer chemicals, such as bleach" is a HECK of a sentence.
Maybe Oxygen Bleach (hydrogen peroxide and oxygen) because regular bleach is Hypochlorite.
@@adamdnewman Hypochlorite is way safer than chlorine gas. Just being around chlorine gas is dangerous to health and reacts with everything including moisture in the air, whereas hypochlite salts are pretty stable in dry form.
I came here to point this out also :-)
@@jermainerace4156 it's also a trade off of a a thousand pounds of chlorine gas or tens of thousands of gallons of 10% sodium hypochlorite to do the same job.
Yea, you know it is really bad when "bleach" is safer than that. rofl
"Management did not conduct a review" -cause of every one of these videos
Nah, there is about as many “They did a review and ignored the results.”
I'm glad these videos were made. This is all super interesting. This is like some screwed up Rube Goldberg setup in the sequence of events.
GTFO Data and get back to the Enterprise...
The pres is trying to cut finding for these guys. Call your Congress person and hope he's not bought.
But obviously too few foremen and corporate bosses are watching them.
That's what's called "normal accidents" -- there's no one big error, just a whole sack of small factors that happen to line up one sunny day.
They super lucked out in this one!!!
Hank Hill would be ashamed
Obviously, they did not have the right propane accessories.
If Buck was running the show, there wouldn't even be a fire. And if there was, it was Hanks fault. Buck was occupied by a female client
You know you're a CSB fan when the mention of timestamps sends chills down your back
or when you watch CSB videos alongside Accident Case Crisis aircraft incident videos, also narrated by the same guy
@@Defender78 Tell me more about that, where can I watch it?
@@DedmenMiller www.youtube.com/@AirSafetyInstitute
I just love how disappointed that guy sounds talking at the end about the stupid systems they had in place. Who puts the emergency cooling valve directly next to the tank that is hot enough to need an emergency cooling valve?
Somebody in Texas does it, that's who.
Anyone else on a binge of these?
Px105 D yep
I'll bet not one of the CSB recommendations were put into place on a comprehensive scale.
Bit of a downer huh? You would be surprised.
That factory fire kicked off like a Rube Goldberg machine.
It’s fascinating that as a kid I’d find this videos boring most likely. But now, not even working in the chemical industry, I find these videos so fascinating and informative. It’s pretty rare to find such well made content. And the people that enjoy these videos carry such calm and informed discussions in the comments. Like an information oasis. Glad the CSB makes these!!
it's like the old youtube in the early 2010's when it was information sharing instead of repeated jokes for the purposes of getting upvotes.
@@03056932 Too much Reddit
It's surprisingly common in refineries and chemical plants for this to happen. We've pulled very strange stuff out of pipes!
Including my "baby arms" (poop)
Like those squids in Oklahoma
This has to be the most rube goldberg like disaster I've seen in years.
Lol
Exactly what I was thinking! But watch the other USCSB videos if you haven't, there's some other crazy sequences of events...
ikr? I was wondering how many other reactions there were in that chain. Like, what next? One of the tanks launches up and strikes an airplane? Then the airplane strikes the control room? Then more malfunctions as a result of that?
As a former process operator I gain so much insight from these videos
Sky Dog I’m still a process operator use to work on a methanol plant now I work on a gas processing plant these videos help me a lot
@@ajamocampbell9143 maybe you will bring one of these videos yourself
This even happened to our water pipes. When they froze it broke off a piece of an internal check valve. When the weather got warmer and the pipes thawed, the piece of the check valve traveled almost 50 feet and got stuck in an elbow.
Holy shit a 12 year old comment
the piece got fined for traveling without a valid ticket..
Now it's stuck in lawsuits..
Then the lawsuits wanted more money
So, he offered his only monet he had...
hanging in the living
Now his world is pale.. and without Art..
Art left the building after hearing this sad song.
He lied him self down..
like a bridge over troubled water..
if you're leaving, close the door
i am not expecting people anymore..
Having built scaffolding in the BP Whiting Refinery for 3 years I find these very interesting. Saw and learned a lot of progress in refinery safety. But refineries are still disasters waiting to happen. The Whiting refinery is one of the biggest in production and sits on less than a square mile. So densely built any issues will spread almost instantaneously
Yess ive looked up info up whiting as its 35 mins away from me and was curious. The safety record is not hot.
Guessing you from Illinois or indiana too lol
No automated emergency shut-down system? Someone dropped the ball.
Somebody saved money...
Amazing no one was killed in this accident.
Fire from ice? How?
*hears propane*
Oh...
whenever I hear some kind of damage from ice, my first thought is that someone forgot to add a freeze plug somewhere, or some kind of anti icing agent.
@@kirknay Yes, but at the same temperature it freezes, propane melts. trust me, propane ice is hella cold.
The danger of dead end pipe runs is well known in industry. Valves and never 100% shutoff, and valves closed ahead of capped lines are subject to high pressure from ice, temperature etc. This is rookie stuff.
David Hoekje no it's being cheap. I can't believe the lack of safe practices I see in these videos. It appears they just build and run it as cheap as possible, and get lots of insurance. These company owners need to go to prison when this crap happens.
With a name like yours, you must be smart.
@ETM Nation - Best ETM Music Nope, I disagree. Safety is expensive. Maintence is expensive. The Big boys in the boardrooms are the ones who shave those profit margins. Middle Managers are caught where they manage- in the middle, sweating it out at the Refinery, praying something does not go boom. Good, pro-active managers cost extra, and they are a pain in the ass to deal with, constantly harping on the real needs of the plant, too.
So, when that Big Boss is looking to impress his "Bigger boss" with a .02% profit margin over last year and collect that 50 grand Christmas bonus, you can bet he redlined the Hell out of the maintenance budget and laid off a few safety people to get it. No skin off his back from 3rd-degree burns.
Notice that abandoned piping stayed in the grid for 15 Years! Wanna bet the ass hole who made the decision not to remove it did it in order to save a little off the maintenance budget, has retired or moved onto a big promotion since then? Yeah- His butt was highly polished - just look how "Efficient he was!"
David Hoekje yew shutdup.i emm plant manerger Ann Yew NO nothin!
Yes gate valves suck ha. Looks like a welder had done some back feeding and dropped his filler metal and it ended up in the valve seat.
I have no desire to work in these fields, yet I'm captivated by these videos
We always use blinds when pipelines go out of a technological scheme. It's a mandatory procedure!. Also there has to be freeze protection as tracer pipes or electric heats cables inside insulation.
MermanFromRus but if they opened the elbow to put a blind in. Wouldn’t it have leaked.
@@Mk5mod0 you would isolate and shut down to install the blind. This is normal in our industry.
@@Mk5mod0 imagine a leaking pipe in your house. There are valves throughout the line in such a way that you can get a section if pipe turned off so you can work on it
Double block and bleed.... Industry standard, to ensure you go home safe
Blind, drain and purge.
I am retired and never worked in a factory. But...your channel helps me appreciate you and all the things you try to fix after the fact. Fascinating!
I know this guy who narrated this he reads my favorite Bosch books and lots of great audio books, thanks for all your reading if you ever see this
I agree! His voice is pleasing and he actually knows how to pronounce words. Unlike some other sites that use those stupid Robo voices, drives me crazy. Peace
As a retired construction worker, I've worked in chemical and refinery plants at various times over the years. The plants seemed substantially neglected, in bad need of maintenance, and a accident waiting to happen. Most were in area's close to residents, and subdivisions. It always concerned me. I'm glad I don't ever have to work in another one. Still though, I feel for the workers and people close by by these plants.
Chemistry in general is a clusterfuck
Yep I'm a new engineer at a refinery and the plant condition is terrible. Fixing equipment is expensive and no one wants to do it. Plus it's rare for engineers to stay more than a few years bc the job kills you internally
Idk why i find these csb videos so interesting... But i do
Instead of learning for my business studies exams I’m binge watching CSB safety videos, honestly I’m a better chemical/ electrical/ delta P supervisor than a business student
A simple blind would have prevented this. They had years to realize this.
Freeze control on an unused line?
Please, you're tripping.
They recommended a blind though
They recommended freeze control for the entire facility. They weren't recommending freeze control on the unused line, that is as long as the unused line was completely disconnected.
"That's a clean burning industrial accident, I tell you h'wat!"
I'm not sure how I got here, but I'm glad that I did.
Imagine if that propane sphere had exploded. That'd be a big bomb...
Ya think? 😂
Butane sphere, according to the video.
yeah, was waiting for a richter scale measurement
We don't need to imagine it. It happened in 1956
That metal looks like a welding rod. Was it?
There's a reason serious outfits count rod stubs after a weld is performed.
Ha. I have worked at COUNTLESS refineries (I'm a welder/fabricator), I have not once had to turn in the end of my electrodes. Not once. But I always take the same amount of electrodes out and make sure I pick up the ends of the electrodes when getting more or leaving the area.
@white zebra 2:21
"non-fireproofed pipes holding up pipes with flammable liquid in it" they're askin for trouble
Two sentence horror story:
You're at work. The USCSB music starts.
Fast forward to 2021 - Texas still doesn't believe in winter.
I do... was 11F at my house a couple of weeks ago.
This is RAW content, concocted and conceived by an entity of consequence. This is the central identity of TH-cam, a real platform for real people. Kudos U.S.C.S.B
edit: C.S.B to U.S.C.S.B
Another reason to use Ball Valves instead of Gate Valves. You will know if their not completely closed because of the handle position.
Ball valves can leak past their packing into the atmosphere, creating a hazard that way. There is no totally fail-safe valve topology. What really was needed was basic instrumentation to verify at minimum the pressure in the dead leg, and better yet flow rates in and out the active legs of the rest of the unit. These guys have more than enough money to afford a few $k in additional gauges and instrumentation to verify proper operation.
Ball valves are fine, but easily opened. A gate valve is a slow open valve. Both valves have their useful areas of use.
@@tetrabromobisphenol ef seal packing...
Quarter turn valves, such as ball valves, have a better packing solution nowadays than linear valves such as gate valves. Quarter turn of the valve shaft creates less friction on the valve packing. In a linear valve the shaft rotates and moves upward / downward, putting way more stress on the valve packing.
I have no idea whats going on but I like listening to you guys.
Cost cutting and general ignorance and stupidity appear as factors in these disasters frequently, thank you USCSB for making these videos and for your work. I hope you are granted powers to compel other regulators and companies to adopt your recommendations.
I don’t know why but I find these videos, along with old instructional videos very interesting
Some of these seem straight out of final destination
Fascinating and informative videos, you’re doing a great job CSB!
Way more interesting than anything on Netflix... Love it! Great explanations. A lot to learn here.
These are up there with Unsolved Mysteries! Great Quality!
Eagle point NJ is now closed. All instrumentation was air operated. The emergency knife valves on the gas lines were set to fail open on the asphalt unit. I freaked out and asked why. You wouldn't want the unit to shut down just because we lost electricity would you. I said like if there was a fire and it burned thru all your control tubing? Omg. Place scared the crap out of me.
I hate site safety inductions at work but for some reason I’m binging these in my own free time
I love how this is an absolutely no nonsense channel. It's refreshing after watching too much comedy.
I have been binge watching these things, now everything I do throughout the day has this narrator's voice in my head, like I'm at Taco Bell ordering a burrito then the announcers voice comes on about how ignorant I was to the consequences
Good to see one of these videos where a good descision was actually made!
Thank you very much for this information please keep it coming we all need to know this
How many of us are not in need of such training but love watching these cause it’s so interesting? 😂
Man this Chain Reaction just leveled up to 100!
I'm a new property insurance underwriter and best believe i love these.
Great video
I'm not quite sure why, but these videos are actually really interesting.
My wife does not understand why I watch so many of these.
I can't believe good ideas come after the disaster, not before.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who watches videos like this for education/entertainment. 😅
Watching all these CSB videos you get the sense that industry is on the opposite side of safe practices, choosing to bury their heads in the sand rather than think of ways to avoid catastrophes.
Damn, Valero doesn't have a very good safety record. There's also those two guys who died from nitrogen narcosis.
TH-cam wants me to watch every USCSB videos all of a sudden... Challenge accepted!
I love this channel
It boggles my mind the amount of destruction that came from a single cracked elbow.
Everyone's an expert after the fact. Fair enough if it was gross negligence. Glad no one was killed. Learning and implementing is the key.
I used to be a volunteer firefighter and find These Videos very interesting
These videos are addicting
I binge these videos now but when there in a safety meeting ima sleep.. idk why
These CSB guys are like super smart scientists!
This video is better than Game of Thrones season 8.
everytime i hear this narrator, its like a music to my ears :P
You had me with the title
I quit at the Strathcona Esso refinery because of safety. Every time I watch this channel I'm reminded what a good decision that was. What good is $$ when you're dead?
Why are these so interesting
May I suggest a virtual walk-through of all facilities entirely and manually investigate found descrepancies.
Seems like flow meters that could sense when unintended flow changes occur could close valves up stream. Not sure if there is an expanding fire proof material that could be used to close a valve or create a closure in the piping if sensors fail and work as a last resort by being activated by the heat like some existing fireproof materials.
And how many of these “recommendations “ have been implemented? Probably very few if any csb has no enforcement power they only seem to recommend things
Another fine Cool Story Bro safety video.
Its not a story. Its an real incident.
What do we do now, Johnny?
Now we RUN!!! We run like hell.
I'm all for safety and preventative measures and emergency procedures.
Pipes with water in them don't usually rupture on the first freeze. It generally takes repeated freezes before they rupture. Fifteen years would have been enough exposure to the occasional freeze-thaw cycles to provide these conditions.
I never thought ice could be so un-cool.
muy Buena informacion
I hauled fuel, propane, and asphalt out of that plant from 2013 through 2016. You can't take a shit without PPE and a permit now. Lol
Good narration, detail of disasters, superbly detailed animations, and follow ups on recommendations. At least my tax dollars are being spent on something good for once.
kahoala3 ....The CSB is hurting American business with regulation!!! It’s making America LOOSE! I alone can fix it!! The naysayers on the other hand....SAD. Very Very low IQ people. Armed teachers on the premises could have prevented this tragedy!!
I thought I was literally the only one binge watching these lol
Dead legs or about any decommissioned pipe or container that had or has bad substances in it and is not rendered inert may come back to bite you. This illustrates reckless oversight of degradable materials on site.
I bet the bean counters fully depreciated the structure each year.
But guy on site did nothing about its potential need for scrutiny.
Many underground gas&petroleum lines are not removed from the ground once they are decommissioned (often due to deterioration) posing potential problems.
This is some serious Final Destination shit right here.
I watched all the airplane crash investigation now I'm stuck on these
Fun fact, this is the same kind of facility recreated in the famous games Battlefield 3 and 4 on a map called "Operation Firestorm"
Been watching for 2 days lol
Man, that spooky piano music . . .
Industrial Flamethrower 2.0
Why are all these videos so sick?
I want to know how the metal object got in the pipe and managed to get stuck in a spot that prevented full closure of the valve.
Welder upstream dropped a 6013 rod somewhere and it got washed downstream. If the filters aren't designed or maintained properly it can easily get pushed many miles down pipe.
@@tetrabromobisphenol 6013?? You mean low hydrogen if he's welding pipe...or 6010
It appears to have been dropped in or left behind.
This is why I try my very best not to leave tig wire in pipes. I mean, I'm not union, I might get in trouble if I blew up a refinery
In most of these videos, I was thinking: are they insured?