I love my Logic.. What caught my eye was the logical reasons for why they do what they do ironically enough. Also 2 cams side by side just looks balanced to me.. Really itching for this bow though, idk is i want the 2 or the 4 though.. ugh.. Prime dealers are far from me..
The search is over...I was sold only after 2 shots....today, February 6th. I watched & subscribed a month ago. Today I ordered the Nexus 4 with the First Lite riser & Sitka Elevated II limbs. The extra $50 custom charge with 65 lb. limbs I hope will get me the bow sooner than later. I own a Centergy & a Logic CT-5 so after 2 shots I knew it was an upgrade over the generation I Black series. I had some shoulder issues starting in 2019 which forced me to switch jobs which took care of that problem. I had a slight twang with the CT-5 which I shot a 515 grain arrow out of. In 2020 I hunted with my Centergy successfully with a 570 grain upgraded micro arrow setup which adopted the Valkyrie system. The Nexus 4 with the 570 grain arrow was very quiet like the Centergy & that was w/o a stabilizer. I will chrono the custom bow when it comes in @ 62 lbs. with that arrow along with some new shafts I am going to make from scratch between now & then & will report back on the results. The new grip is fantastic & the large loops on top & bottom are not an issue when it comes to my sight window. The draw cycle is so smooth & the bow is so efficient that it leaves u scratching your head. I agree that Prime made more than modest changes in 2021 unlike other bow companies that just seemed willing to tweak a little & offer shorter bows as their selling point. The draw cycle of the bow was what I expected & it was similar to an Evolve that I used to shoot but the Nexus 4 just holds on the target like the other Prime's do. The grip on the Evolve was always an issue for me & it never has been with the Prime grip I would say is 2nd to none.
I liked the Black 5 when I shot it & I was considering buying it. Now I think this is the better option. I agree with Kellen the fit & finish is excellent on Prime products.
I like that u r toughing it out shooting wrong handed. Welcome to the Covid era. When it comes down to it it's all about the efficiency & accuracy. I ordered it cuz of the grip & smooth draw. Loved a bow draw cycle on a bow 3 years ago but I couldn't shoot it as accurate & consistently as a Prime. I like it when a company does many changes to achieve a goal. I believe Prime has achieved this with the Nexus 4
Love your content. Could you talk more about the draw cycle in your bow reviews? I know it’s challenging since most of the time you need to shoot a RH bow, but draw cycle is one of the most important factors to me while speed doesn’t play as big a role.
People that don't even like primes say they are one of the smoothest drawing bows. I've heard from multiple people that "if I knew the Nexus was going to be this smooth and easy to pull, I would have ordered 80# limbs"
G5 Prime is experiencing major delays with their supply chain. Bought it December 11th 2020, still haven't received it. The dealer tells me their Prime rep won't return their calls.
I have my Nexus 4 @ centershot & bare shaft tuned it. Micro arrows r really burying themselves into a hard target. It does as u suggested. A slight right tear I'm saying that's about 3/8". The same 3 bare shafts I fletched & they did the same. No shims were put in since the shop was closing for good. Looks like it will open sometime in July @ a new location. I'm confident it would shoot perfect if it had the large shims to the left. I'm not basing this on just paper but the history I have with these arrow builds that take time. Looks like I'm going to have to find a guy good with a press to swap them in for me. Just want it to be right on b4 shooting 3D targets from a 🌳.
Thanks for the video. I made this request to another channel and maybe you could also take this approach. I thought it would be nice to see a video of bows that are great for both hunting and 3d and which ones you recommend. I would think the Nexus 4 would be a very good candidate.
Always uploading them early in the morning! Love the reviews and happy new year! Can we get a review of the pse xpedite nxt?? Would love to hear your opinion on it
Hahahahaha yeah kota's review is a little biased too because he got the bow for free. I like the way kellen breaks down a bow, would like to hear his opinion on the Xpedite nxt
I'm most interested on the reports that people took the cable guard off to quiet it down. Isn't that Prime cable guard put on there for tuning? If so what cable guard r they replacing it with? I have a Centergy which is very quiet, even quieter than my CT-5. Is my Conquest Archery Control Freak stabilizer just that good?
If you put the draw stops to 65 I bet it will pick up speed, especially if you then ignore the draw length listing and use a board to set it I’m sure you would pick up half an inch.
Love the channel! Think this might be the the bow for me this year. I have 31” DL, any tips for making that work with this bow besides just longer d loop?
Hey Joshua, I found when I setup my Centergy that it is all about your anchor point. A forgiving d-loop that is of better quality material is needed. Order some BCY braided spectra loop rope #23. I ordered mine from Lancaster & u don't have to buy a whole spool. U can order it by the feet. It is 1.6mm & tougher as well as being more forgiving. I found while saddle hunting last year that I was able to draw & anchor much better by using a d-loop that was 7/8" to 1 1/16" on my other bow that had no draw length adjustment on the cam & it was short with the standard & stiff polyester d-loop material. To every advantage is a setback which means it is a little tougher to melt the ball on each end of the d-loop. That is why bowshops don't do it cuz of the volume they have to put out b4 the season. During the off-season they should be able to help u out if they have good techs. I was able to get over the hump with the learning curve @ home. The pro-archers out there have been using this for a while & they shoot alot more daily than most of us. It saved me along with a nice set of Easton d-loop pliers. I 1st got my centershot on the string the way I wanted it. Then with that longer loop I went a little higher & lower than the arrow that was nocked on my string so the longer d-loop didn't have as much pinch on my release. Then after getting the d-loop on the string I re-enforced it with some BCY .008 serving that I wrapped with 1 piece on the top above & below & I did the same with another piece on the bottom of the d-loop. It is rock solid & forgiving & won't need to be replaced until I need a new string. This isn't as tough as it seems but u can make it tough by thinking that a bowshop has this & is willing to do it for u in August or September. 1 thing I have learned during the pandemic is that u need to prepare months ahead to achieve the results u r looking for. Good luck.
Great video, you typically have to shim 1 large for left cam top and bottom, then 1 small for top and bottom right side? Love the way my prime shoots, but there is a tail right tear I cannot get rid of
@@InsideOutPrecision thanks for the reviews. I'm a 28 inch draw so I always go straight to your videos. Unfortunately there's no prime dealer in my state so I can't get the feel for one. I had an evo 33 and it was unbelievably smooth I thought.
Is that 360 grain arrow safe to shoot at 70 pounds, got me a black 9 in May and love it at full draw but still playing with the let off because it seems to change the draw length for me 👍✌🏻🇺🇸
I've got a guy at my shop shooting a 514 grain arrow 282 out of a black 3. 29.5/73. We shot the Nexus 4 with his arrow through a whisker biscuit and it was 285 although it wasn't paper tuned. I may paper tune it tomorrow and see what I get.
I dont recall you ever shooting lefty through the chrono. Do you guys just not get left handed bows in at the same time. Or do you just shoot through the chrono right because most people are right handed?
The # are the same, but since youre shortening the power stroke (the travel of the arrow from the wall to the point in which the nock leaves the string) the speed and kinetic energy is reduced. But the draw cycle becomes usually smoother.
I laugh everytime you pull those bows right handed. 😂 You do better than I would if I tried to shoot it left handed. 😂😂 Piece of advice you can shoot a right handed bow left handed. Ted nugent does it all the time. Love the vids!
Well, the Mathews Atlas which is rated 350 IBO "at 34" dl" is in reality ~308 IBO at 30" dl with 85% let off and ~312 IBO at 30" with 80% let off. The brand which was more honest with their IBO rating was PSE last year (this one they returned to the usual bs). To be honest: don't bother with IBO; speeds are (have been) the same for years and the only way to produce more speed is either making the power stroke larger (but dl is a limiting factor based on the wingspan of the archer) reducing the bh or making a bow with a really harsh draw cycle which most wouldn't want to use.
Prime are solid bows, but I find it funny all it the “technology” that goes in to the bows. I robinhood as many arrows with my old pse stinger as I do with my Mathews no cam and my elite hunter , my bear status , more than my obsession and more than my diamond they are all top notch nowadays shoot what you like
@@InsideOutPrecision I have the same chronograph, and when I move outside (on a sunny day) I typically see an increase of 5-8fps. Try it and let me know.
I'm getting pissed off i order my nexus 4 when shops got the two , i got mine grizzly brown with 80lb fusion limbs and thats exactly what prime sent out to everybody for their display bow ... So much for having a kinda unique setup
Every bow after a few shots is going to have some string stretch and require a little bit of tuning. The only way to negate that is putting GAS strings on right when you get the bow. The shim problem on primes really isn’t that big of a deal, especially for how nice they shoot, and i’m saying that while not even shooting a prime. I shoot a Hoyt...
What I was referring to was , if practically all the new Prime bows need shimmed.....why doesn't Prime get the bows closer to spot on BEFORE they ship them to their Pro shops. I've worked in local Pro shops since the 1980's . I do agree that Prime has came a LONG WAY since we first started getting them in.
The point I was making obviously went over your head. The point was , if practically all Prime bows need shimmed from the factory....why doesn't Prime just go ahead and do it before they ship them out. No need to get butt sore over it.
I agree that ALL bows need to be tuned to each individual....but not ALL bows need to be shimmed right out of the box. You obviously got butt sore and wanted to argue and I'm not into that....so your right....I'm WRONG. Are you happy now Rusty !!! END of conversation 🙄
I’m trying to decide between a Prime Nexus 4 or a new Hoyt Ventum 33; any recommendations? I can’t shoot them back to back to compare because it’s two different shops that have them. I’m a 29.5” draw and usually pull 70#, I hunt up north so the insulated grip would be great for cold sits but it’s not a deal breaker to have a cold hand with the Ventum 33 if it shoots better than the Nexus.
How often do people hold onto their bows where the grip material is gonnn make a difference? I hunt in Wisconsin and have never had a issue with a aluminum bow and it’s grip. I shot the Ventum33 and it’s awesome. I haven’t shot the prime and don’t plan on it as there are no dealers close to me. Another thing you should consider is resale. If you get a new bow every couple years. You’ll pretty much have to give the prime away. The Hoyt will have a much better resale.
Its non existent I thought the 2 had a lot of vibration As well but as soon as our shop got a 4 in I went and shot it and im not going say its matthews dead in hand but is real close for being a bare bow
Prime bows are blatantly underrated. I’m so glad Wayne carries them now. Great review Kell. Been waiting on this one no doubt!
Ikr I have always seen Prime as a major contender!!!
I love my Logic.. What caught my eye was the logical reasons for why they do what they do ironically enough. Also 2 cams side by side just looks balanced to me.. Really itching for this bow though, idk is i want the 2 or the 4 though.. ugh.. Prime dealers are far from me..
You always have the most informative reviews and the tips you have made for different topics are some of the best I’ve seen on here!
The search is over...I was sold only after 2 shots....today, February 6th. I watched & subscribed a month ago. Today I ordered the Nexus 4 with the First Lite riser & Sitka Elevated II limbs. The extra $50 custom charge with 65 lb. limbs I hope will get me the bow sooner than later. I own a Centergy & a Logic CT-5 so after 2 shots I knew it was an upgrade over the generation I Black series. I had some shoulder issues starting in 2019 which forced me to switch jobs which took care of that problem.
I had a slight twang with the CT-5 which I shot a 515 grain arrow out of. In 2020 I hunted with my Centergy successfully with a 570 grain upgraded micro arrow setup which adopted the Valkyrie system. The Nexus 4 with the 570 grain arrow was very quiet like the Centergy & that was w/o a stabilizer. I will chrono the custom bow when it comes in @ 62 lbs. with that arrow along with some new shafts I am going to make from scratch between now & then & will report back on the results. The new grip is fantastic & the large loops on top & bottom are not an issue when it comes to my sight window. The draw cycle is so smooth & the bow is so efficient that it leaves u scratching your head. I agree that Prime made more than modest changes in 2021 unlike other bow companies that just seemed willing to tweak a little & offer shorter bows as their selling point. The draw cycle of the bow was what I expected & it was similar to an Evolve that I used to shoot but the Nexus 4 just holds on the target like the other Prime's do. The grip on the Evolve was always an issue for me & it never has been with the Prime grip I would say is 2nd to none.
I liked the Black 5 when I shot it & I was considering buying it. Now I think this is the better option. I agree with Kellen the fit & finish is excellent on Prime products.
Can’t wait to find one of these to try. Look like an awesome bow.
Cant wait to see the PSE Evl hit their IBO numbers 🤗
I just shot this at our local shop. Very nice
30"DL and 65# 475gr arrow at 275 bumped it to 30" and 72# it shot 291fps with 475gr arrow. Nice bow
I like that u r toughing it out shooting wrong handed. Welcome to the Covid era. When it comes down to it it's all about the efficiency & accuracy. I ordered it cuz of the grip & smooth draw. Loved a bow draw cycle on a bow 3 years ago but I couldn't shoot it as accurate & consistently as a Prime. I like it when a company does many changes to achieve a goal. I believe Prime has achieved this with the Nexus 4
Love your content. Could you talk more about the draw cycle in your bow reviews? I know it’s challenging since most of the time you need to shoot a RH bow, but draw cycle is one of the most important factors to me while speed doesn’t play as big a role.
People that don't even like primes say they are one of the smoothest drawing bows. I've heard from multiple people that "if I knew the Nexus was going to be this smooth and easy to pull, I would have ordered 80# limbs"
Love the Vids! Keep them coming and Happy New Year.
Shot one, bought one. This thing is magic.
I didn't shoot mine but I bought one.
Hopefully I'll like it....never owned a prime
Waited for the Hoyts to come out. Put a deposit on the nexus 4 after shooting everything side by side. Prime is such a good rig
G5 Prime is experiencing major delays with their supply chain. Bought it December 11th 2020, still haven't received it. The dealer tells me their Prime rep won't return their calls.
@@patriotref7536 Still waiting for mine. Did you get yours yet?
@@richevans6506 no sir still waiting but it’s only been about 4 weeks. Shop told me 6 to 8 so.
I have my Nexus 4 @ centershot & bare shaft tuned it. Micro arrows r really burying themselves into a hard target. It does as u suggested. A slight right tear I'm saying that's about 3/8". The same 3 bare shafts I fletched & they did the same. No shims were put in since the shop was closing for good. Looks like it will open sometime in July @ a new location. I'm confident it would shoot perfect if it had the large shims to the left. I'm not basing this on just paper but the history I have with these arrow builds that take time. Looks like I'm going to have to find a guy good with a press to swap them in for me. Just want it to be right on b4 shooting 3D targets from a 🌳.
Prime is the best deal at the moment.
I guess Im quite randomly asking but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released movies online ?
@Jayceon Judson Flixportal :P
@Lucca Francis Thanks, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it !!
@Jayceon Judson you are welcome =)
Why people don't loctite the mod screws once you get it tuned is beyond me..
Correct
I’ve heard a lot of friends rave about the 4. But I’m another lefty that has to wait lol. I wonder what bow will have the best draw this year?
Thanks for the video. I made this request to another channel and maybe you could also take this approach. I thought it would be nice to see a video of bows that are great for both hunting and 3d and which ones you recommend. I would think the Nexus 4 would be a very good candidate.
Yeah pretty much any bow thats in the 33-35" ata range make crossover bows
Always uploading them early in the morning! Love the reviews and happy new year! Can we get a review of the pse xpedite nxt?? Would love to hear your opinion on it
Hahahahaha yeah kota's review is a little biased too because he got the bow for free. I like the way kellen breaks down a bow, would like to hear his opinion on the Xpedite nxt
The reason the other review might have had higher speeds is the first bows shipped ran a lot heavier. The first 32 my shop saw bottomed out at 76lbs.
The prime the V3 and the PSE NTN are about the fastest bows so far this year I believe
Does it have the horrible vibe and hand shock that the logic CT series has?
I'm most interested on the reports that people took the cable guard off to quiet it down. Isn't that Prime cable guard put on there for tuning?
If so what cable guard r they replacing it with? I have a Centergy which is very quiet, even quieter than my CT-5. Is my Conquest Archery Control Freak stabilizer just that good?
If you put the draw stops to 65 I bet it will pick up speed, especially if you then ignore the draw length listing and use a board to set it I’m sure you would pick up half an inch.
Love the channel! Think this might be the the bow for me this year. I have 31” DL, any tips for making that work with this bow besides just longer d loop?
Hey Joshua, I found when I setup my Centergy that it is all about your anchor point. A forgiving d-loop that is of better quality material is needed. Order some BCY braided spectra loop rope #23. I ordered mine from Lancaster & u don't have to buy a whole spool. U can order it by the feet. It is 1.6mm & tougher as well as being more forgiving. I found while saddle hunting last year that I was able to draw & anchor much better by using a d-loop that was 7/8" to 1 1/16" on my other bow that had no draw length adjustment on the cam & it was short with the standard & stiff polyester d-loop material. To every advantage is a setback which means it is a little tougher to melt the ball on each end of the d-loop. That is why bowshops don't do it cuz of the volume they have to put out b4 the season. During the off-season they should be able to help u out if they have good techs. I was able to get over the hump with the learning curve @ home. The pro-archers out there have been using this for a while & they shoot alot more daily than most of us. It saved me along with a nice set of Easton d-loop pliers. I 1st got my centershot on the string the way I wanted it. Then with that longer loop I went a little higher & lower than the arrow that was nocked on my string so the longer d-loop didn't have as much pinch on my release. Then after getting the d-loop on the string I re-enforced it with some BCY .008 serving that I wrapped with 1 piece on the top above & below & I did the same with another piece on the bottom of the d-loop. It is rock solid & forgiving & won't need to be replaced until I need a new string. This isn't as tough as it seems but u can make it tough by thinking that a bowshop has this & is willing to do it for u in August or September. 1 thing I have learned during the pandemic is that u need to prepare months ahead to achieve the results u r looking for. Good luck.
Are you going to do a video on the Hoyt ventum 33 and rx5
Great video, you typically have to shim 1 large for left cam top and bottom, then 1 small for top and bottom right side? Love the way my prime shoots, but there is a tail right tear I cannot get rid of
Have you tried shimming all the way right?
Best bow reviews on TH-cam.
How would you compare the draw on 28 inches compared to an EVO NXT 33?
Pretty similar. Definitely a smooth draw! Thanks for kind words
@@InsideOutPrecision thanks for the reviews. I'm a 28 inch draw so I always go straight to your videos. Unfortunately there's no prime dealer in my state so I can't get the feel for one. I had an evo 33 and it was unbelievably smooth I thought.
How would you compare this to the Mathews VXR? I’m very very interested in this bow
Is that 360 grain arrow safe to shoot at 70 pounds, got me a black 9 in May and love it at full draw but still playing with the let off because it seems to change the draw length for me 👍✌🏻🇺🇸
5 grains per lb of draw weight is normally the lowest that's recommended. At 70lbs, that would be 350grains.
When you doing the Mathews atlas?
That arrow low FOC? Tighter nock?
I've got a guy at my shop shooting a 514 grain arrow 282 out of a black 3. 29.5/73. We shot the Nexus 4 with his arrow through a whisker biscuit and it was 285 although it wasn't paper tuned. I may paper tune it tomorrow and see what I get.
Let off makes a difference
I dont recall you ever shooting lefty through the chrono. Do you guys just not get left handed bows in at the same time. Or do you just shoot through the chrono right because most people are right handed?
Yeah, the first order is always right handed bows. The lefties are usually 3-4 weeks after, but I want to get the review up asap
@@InsideOutPrecision well the internet appreciates the speedy reviews!
When a bow has a large range in draw lengths. Doesnt that take away from the speed and poundage on a shorter draw length guy??
The # are the same, but since youre shortening the power stroke (the travel of the arrow from the wall to the point in which the nock leaves the string) the speed and kinetic energy is reduced. But the draw cycle becomes usually smoother.
I ordered mine last week
Did you get yours yet? Still waiting for mine. 3 months and counting.
@@richevans6506 it's actually arriving this Wed finally
"Oh gosh!" ... so funny ;-) cool video, thanks
In the video where he got 298 FPS did he state what the let off was? If it was 65% and you are shooting 85% that could explain the disparity....
Usually 80%. I’m just about positive.
Nice one guys
I laugh everytime you pull those bows right handed. 😂 You do better than I would if I tried to shoot it left handed. 😂😂 Piece of advice you can shoot a right handed bow left handed. Ted nugent does it all the time. Love the vids!
Do you just shim your top cam?
Both if necessary
Its way under IBO. 306fps/28" is close to 380gr arrow, not 360gr ( 315fps for that)
Well, the Mathews Atlas which is rated 350 IBO "at 34" dl" is in reality ~308 IBO at 30" dl with 85% let off and ~312 IBO at 30" with 80% let off. The brand which was more honest with their IBO rating was PSE last year (this one they returned to the usual bs). To be honest: don't bother with IBO; speeds are (have been) the same for years and the only way to produce more speed is either making the power stroke larger (but dl is a limiting factor based on the wingspan of the archer) reducing the bh or making a bow with a really harsh draw cycle which most wouldn't want to use.
Prime are solid bows, but I find it funny all it the “technology” that goes in to the bows. I robinhood as many arrows with my old pse stinger as I do with my Mathews no cam and my elite hunter , my bear status , more than my obsession and more than my diamond they are all top notch nowadays shoot what you like
I willing to bet if you put the chronograph in a room with more light you will see different speeds.
I've heard that before, but I thought thats what the lights on the chronograph were for.
@@InsideOutPrecision I have the same chronograph, and when I move outside (on a sunny day) I typically see an increase of 5-8fps. Try it and let me know.
@@c7u3676 good to know!!
I'm getting pissed off i order my nexus 4 when shops got the two , i got mine grizzly brown with 80lb fusion limbs and thats exactly what prime sent out to everybody for their display bow ...
So much for having a kinda unique setup
Haha. Well at least the ones they send out are only 70lb
@@InsideOutPrecision kinda sad that 80 is all that got me separated from the pack
Not sure why one would want a bow that straight out of the box needs to be shimmed ?
Every bow after a few shots is going to have some string stretch and require a little bit of tuning. The only way to negate that is putting GAS strings on right when you get the bow. The shim problem on primes really isn’t that big of a deal, especially for how nice they shoot, and i’m saying that while not even shooting a prime. I shoot a Hoyt...
What I was referring to was , if practically all the new Prime bows need shimmed.....why doesn't Prime get the bows closer to spot on BEFORE they ship them to their Pro shops. I've worked in local Pro shops since the 1980's . I do agree that Prime has came a LONG WAY since we first started getting them in.
I'm aware how tuning works....and I agree with the Matthews and Hoyt thing.
The point I was making obviously went over your head. The point was , if practically all Prime bows need shimmed from the factory....why doesn't Prime just go ahead and do it before they ship them out. No need to get butt sore over it.
I agree that ALL bows need to be tuned to each individual....but not ALL bows need to be shimmed right out of the box. You obviously got butt sore and wanted to argue and I'm not into that....so your right....I'm WRONG. Are you happy now Rusty !!!
END of conversation 🙄
Hurting my shoulder watching you draw that thang
I’m trying to decide between a Prime Nexus 4 or a new Hoyt Ventum 33; any recommendations? I can’t shoot them back to back to compare because it’s two different shops that have them. I’m a 29.5” draw and usually pull 70#, I hunt up north so the insulated grip would be great for cold sits but it’s not a deal breaker to have a cold hand with the Ventum 33 if it shoots better than the Nexus.
How often do people hold onto their bows where the grip material is gonnn make a difference? I hunt in Wisconsin and have never had a issue with a aluminum bow and it’s grip. I shot the Ventum33 and it’s awesome. I haven’t shot the prime and don’t plan on it as there are no dealers close to me. Another thing you should consider is resale. If you get a new bow every couple years. You’ll pretty much have to give the prime away. The Hoyt will have a much better resale.
How’s the hand shock and after the shot vibration compared to the N2 on this bow? The n2 I shot had obnoxious vibration.
Its non existent I thought the 2 had a lot of vibration As well but as soon as
our shop got a 4 in I went and shot it and im not going say its matthews dead in hand but is real close for being a bare bow
@@dezmondkrause2329 perfect, thanks
There is still some on the N4 but better that the 2's imo.
Athens bows
What about them?
Pulling to much weight drop 5 lb youl shoot better ,most people shoot bows to heavy in weight.