This duplicity certainly worked against the native Americans. The trouble is that the US still thinks that most of the world consists of unsophisticated and poorly armed "natives" or "savages". It ignores the new multi-polar reality and continues to play dirty at its own peril.
One of the benefits dubious as it is . Is the speed at which things become revealed . It took decades after the death of JFK for the Turkish missile deal to become known . In 2021 it took less than two years for the duplicity of the Biden Administrations duplicity reguarding deployment of missiles to another countries direct security to be revealed . No wonder Gorbachovs insistance on the expansion of NATO was made crucial . The idea that even non nukes could hit targets in Moscow in 9 minutes is horrific , In less than 5 with a N load is unthinkable for RF to accept . So Finland , Poland and Romania and the Baltics are playing a Game of Washingtons useful idiots .
Yeah, Ray needs to pinch himself about when budgetary intelligence began. The Good Ol' Boys cranked up the Mighty Wurlitzer even more under Truman's Regime.
Harry S. Truman: “I never would have agreed to the formation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.” The notion the CIA would ever provide "untreated intelligence" is laughable. Washington 'intelligence' has always been informed by AmeriKKKan domestic politics, grotesque racism, and rapacious greed. John F. Kennedy (June 10, 1963): “Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children-not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women-not merely peace in our time but peace for all time….” Comments like this made Kennedy an enemy of oligarchs, and suitable for assassination. TexASSan creeps celebrated the assassination on the press plane flying back from Dallas. AmeriKKKans have always needed enemies more than reliable friends. AmeriKKKan racist stupidity has always looked for these enemies to justify their corrupt greed and savage violence. Karl Rove speaking for George Walker Bush 43 (Republican politics, 2002): “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” George Walker Bush (May 18 2022): "The result is an absence of checks and balances … and the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq… I mean of Ukraine.”
@@marttimattila9561 Everytime I see this I remind myself , you will end up being a whole scale military base . That makes Finland a target that it never was before.
These amazing interviews with the wonderfully wise Ray McGovern are vital historical documents. Thank you for conducting such an informative series. 🙏👍😎
Nima, please bring Ray on again in the same format - this man is a un-ending fountain of insight and clear recollection, linking data and showing the way decisions were made and how we can move forward. As you do, let him talk and construct his history. It is fascinating.
Thank you Nima for inviting Ray McGovern back as a guest. His interviews are always extremely informative and highly enlightening, no matter the topic discussed! It is appalling that his voice is heard on so few platforms, as everything he elaborates upon is on point! At least we get to benefit from Ray’s years of experience and wisdom, during your interviews with him. He has profound wisdom on a broad range of topics, and we are all better informed after listening to what he has to say! Thank you Nima, for having Ray McGovern back as a recurring guest , on your wonderful podcast! You are doing an excellent job keeping us all well informed about current events. Please keep up the good work!
And love his easy, skillful, kindly way of narrating any progressively anguished chronology of events. With lots of good schoolboy humour. What a gem of a teacher if he ever was.
Youngster McGovern educates yet again. :)Bless you sir, and, Nima of course for providing us with these uncensored , truthful and objective interviews.
Zelensky even talked about needing more immediately after the 61bn was approved 😂 in the UK they were pretending this money would be the end of it, playing to a smaller and smaller constituency of gullible morons
Thanks Ray I was twelve years old and remember this incident in 1962 and that was the end of democracy in the USA. Four years later I was in Vietnam as a merchant, marine in the AFL-CIO and not one American soldier there believing that they were protecting their country.
Brainwashed went into vnam to fight for the French because of the rubber industry and vnam wanted to kick them out they wanted their independence just as the African countries are uniting to do now getting rid of white supremacy and colonialism that has been stealing the resources 😂😂😂😂
Nima conducts an interview, and judge Nap conducts a dialog, which is usually done by equals. That’s the difference. If you are familiar with the Duran podcasters Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris You would notice, that Alex uses both forms, depending on their guests and material.
Yes, secretly, and months later... the Russians had to remove theirs IMMEDIATELY and PUBLICLY. They had to eat crow. BUT the reason they put missiles in Cuba in the first place was their couple dozen ICBM's versus our 300+ ICBM's at the time, they were trying to level the playing field by putting missiles in to Cuba, and we had put our Jupiter missiles into Turkey at a time when we didn't have (enough) operational ICBM's to counter the 'Russian threat" (which was perceived and not actual). SO we set the precedent, which they then felt justified to follow. BUT for over half a century the story has been told about how the "evil cheating Soviets provoked the US by sneaking missiles into Cuba aimed at the poor, defenseless USA"... which is utter claptrap....
This is all we - Ukrainians need to know about this proxy NATO vs Russia war: “Being an enemy of America is dangerous, being a friend of America is fatal.” - Henry Kissinger *** >>>I guess it was the 12th or 13th time to Kiev, and I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. I got a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against a state prosecutor, and they didn’t. “So as they were walking out to the press conference, I said, nah, we aren’t going to give you the billion dollars. They said you have no authority, you are not the President. I said call him. I’m telling you, you are not getting the billion dollars. “You are not getting the billion; I am leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you are not getting the money. “Well, son of a bitch, he got fired.>If you put aside the immense human suffering and look at Ukraine’s war through the cold lens of international power politics, a clear picture emerges: the West is having a good war against Russia. All NATO has to do is send Kyiv munitions, equipment and money, which, as any general knows, is the c h e a p e s t way to wage war. (...) The lives are being given by the Ukrainians. They’re defending their nation but also, inadvertently, helping decide the Cold War. For 70 years, NATO deterred a Moscow attack westwards. The Russians eventually invaded, last February, what they assumed would be a conquerable target on their south-western border. The war that NATO long prepared for is finally being fought.
Whatever Ray Mcgovern informs us about the Usa we can believe, because he is a man of honor with an extensive knowledge of CIA cq. security service !!! May the Lord bless him !!!
The US-UK Axis Alliance has never been a Force for Peace! "Playing All Hail Oceania" - "The War is Not meant to be Won. It is meant to be Continuous" War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. George Orwell 1984.
Not surprisingly, McG, omits to mention that the soviet submarines, that were escorting the ships with missiles to Cuba, started getting depth charged by U.S ships. This was an act of war. The three submarine captains had to agree unanimously to retaliate (with nuclear missiles). One captain wouldn't agree, which averted a nuclear exchange. We wouldn't be here now if all three sub captains had agreed. Some time later, the yanks admitted that they'd been depth charging the subs, and claimed that the soviets would've known that they didn't intend to destroy the subs (psychic?) - cr@p!!! Kennedy saved the world - double cr@p!!!
Ray - "Intelligence agency that tells the truth" I burst out laughing, Ray, you worked for these establishments and you seriously think that they're in the business of telling the truth, its like a politician that tells the truth, neither has a career and get moved out or sideways pronto.
@@arostwocents What the video says about Burns. That he has to tell his bosses budgetary intelligence reports. I’m suggesting that is not his fault alone, but that it speaks to a culture which does not allow anything better. A dire situation. Not unusual in an oppressive government.
The other thing we didn't know until AFTER the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the opening of the KGB archives some time after that, was that the Soviets had ALSO installed "Frog" short-range nuclear missiles into Cuba to defend their missile bases from attack. These were highly mobile battlefield nuclear missiles on tank chassis, which could be launched at invading ground troops. The US Joint Chiefs of Staff were pressing VERY hard for Kennedy to invade Cuba to physically destroy or remove the missiles. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco that left Kennedy with egg on his face, this must have been very tempting and the chiefs were certainly pressing for it. BUT Kennedy realized that attacking the missiles and airfields (there were also a few Soviet medium bombers on Cuba supposedly given to the Cuban air force for their own use) would bring US forces and Soviets forces into direct combat, and likely provoke the very nuclear war he was trying to avert, which the US chiefs didn't care if they avoided since they KNEW "they'd win" based on sheer numbers of missiles and bombs and subs they had versus the Soviets at that time... Luckily Kennedy resisted this impulse, because the Soviets command and control system was not as advanced as the US's either, and operating from Cuba put the Soviet leadership out of direct contact with their nuclear missile forces in Cuba. Thus Khrushchev had issued orders to the field commanders of the Frog missiles and IRBM's in Cuba that they had the freedom to launch their missiles IF they believed that it was "use them or lose them" ie if they were under attack by US forces from the air or an invasion of US forces into Cuba threatening to encircle them. They were in NO CIRCUMSTANCES to allow their nuclear weapons to be captured by the Americans. SO *IF* the USA HAD invaded Cuba, no less person than MacNamara himself (US Secretary of Defense under Kennedy) stated that there WOULD have been a nuclear war... The Soviet troops in Cuba would have launched their Frog missiles at the invasion beaches the US forces were landing on, and obliterated the invasion force with these battlefield nuclear weapons the US didn't even know were there. It would have been a shocking surprise to have thousands of US troops vaporized, burned, blinded, incinerated, and irradiated on the beaches of Cuba in the midst of an invasion, and of course once the balloon went up, the Russian missile regiments on Cuba would have readied, fueled, and launched their nuclear missiles as soon as they possibly could have, rather than risk their destruction by US air strikes or being overrun by US invasion troops or paratroops/special forces. The US would have of course launched an immediate nuclear counterstrike against the USSR and Cuba.
Obviously, every conversation - including phone calls - between officials needs live tape or digital recording¹! 1 Not that it necessarily would change much
Now this part of the story gets left out... The REASON why Khrushchev and the Soviet leadership felt they had the RIGHT to put missiles into Cuba was because the US had put the same medium and intermediate range nuclear missiles into Turkey and Italy, to put them in range of Soviet targets like Moscow, and capable of hitting Moscow with a thermonuclear explosion ten minutes after launch from Turkey. At the time the US strategic missile (ICBM) program was felt to be markedly behind the Soviet ICBM program, remember the Soviets demonstrated a capable ICBM by launching the world's first artificial satellite in October 1957, and in the uproar that followed Khrushchev had made some very foolish statements and blusters about the Soviets "cranking out missiles like sausages" which only played into US fears (and the US MIC's intention to get emergency programs funded to do a series of crash missile programs.) Thus was born the "missile gap" which sorta started due to a lack of intelligence over the USSR, but with the advent of the U-2 spyplane, the US was soon overflying all the Soviet missile bases and factories and knew EXACTLY what they had and didn't have, and it was proven that the "missile gap" was a myth. Of course politicians make hay even out of untrue stuff, and Kennedy made a lot of hay about the "missile gap" in the Presidential campaign of 1960, claims that he as a Senator had been informed were untrue, BUT which were based on secret information that couldn't be divulged to the public, so his rival in the campaign, Richard Nixon, who was Eisenhower's Vice President and ALSO had been briefed and shown the secret data that the missile gap was a farce and didn't exist, COULD NOT REFUTE Kennedy's claims WITHOUT revealing secret information, so he simply had to eat crow on the campaign trail over Kennedy's false claims about the missile gap. For their part the Soviets were NOT happy about having US ballistic missiles in Turkey armed with thermonuclear warheads. Khrushchev's son, Sergei, said in an interview how much this angered and frustrated the Soviet leadership, including his father. Often while on holiday at their Crimean dacha Black Sea retreat, Khrushchev could be seen on the back veranda with a large pair of binoculars, staring through them out to sea. His guests would, perplexed, ask him, "Nikita Sergeyevich, what are you looking at?" To which he would reply, "American nuclear missiles in Turkey, pointed at my dacha!" A bit of black humor but typical of Russians to demonstrate the frustration they often feel at uncontrollable situations. The Jupiter was one of the early missiles developed by Werner Von Braun working for the Redstone Arsenal in Alabama... his first missile was the Redstone, a short-range ballistic missile that could loft a nuclear warhead a couple hundred miles, and which was basically a modernized and improved V-2 missile, using many of the same technologies like fins and carbon thrust vanes in the rocket exhaust to steer the missile, and using a combination of liquid oxygen and alcohol/water mix for fuel, just like the V-2. Jupiter was more advanced and of a longer range capability, and while they didn't possess the range to hit the USSR from launch sites in the USA, they could from launch sites in Turkey and Italy. The US, fearing that it was behind since development of their own ICBM in two separate programs, Atlas and Titan, was late in starting and suffering teething problems common with complex rocket launch vehicles (both would go on to become mainstays of the early US space program; even Jupiter would be retasked as an unmanned space launcher but a very unsuccessful one, the Juno II). SO with Turkey being a NATO ally, the USA felt it had the right to put Jupiter missiles into Turkey within range of the USSR heartland. After all, the Soviets were POWERLESS to do anything about it except complain! Of course things had changed by 1962-- Both the Titan and Atlas missile projects had born fruit and overcome their problems and the US put over 300 Atlas and Titan ICBM's into service, first in coffin launchers and then early underground silos across the US. BUT they kept their Jupiters in Turkey. The USSR had its Semyorka, it's first R-7 ICBM that it launched Sputnik and then Yuri Gagarin and the other manned space missions with, but it was too big and cumbersome to ever be put into silos and they had only a few of them, and they were highly vulnerable since they launched from surface pads. The Soviets had undertaken a crash program to develop more survivable silo-based ICBM's, ones which also had faster response time and could stand on alert for long periods, using storable hypergolic liquid propellants rather than the volatile supercold liquid oxygen of the R-7 (and Atlas and Titan I as well, the US started its own program called "Titan II" to develop storable liquid propellant missiles, as well as solid propellant which the Soviets didn't have the technology to build advanced large solid propellant motors at the time). This led to the R-9 missile which accidentally exploded on the pad in 1960 in the so-called "Nedelin disaster" where several hundred scientists and technicians, as well as the newly-appointed head of the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces Marshal Nedelin, were incinerated when a malfunctioning R-9 was being serviced on the pad without defueling it, in order not to delay a test launch the Marshal was insisting go off on time, despite ignoring safety protocols. By 1962, the Soviets were still BADLY behind in the missile race, in fact they had only about a couple dozen missiles capable of hitting the USA from the USSR, while the USA had over 300 Atlas and Titan missiles in service. The Soviets couldn't measure up against the Strategic Air Command (SAC) at the height of its power as well, and the few diesel submarines it had were only armed with 3 storable liquid fuel missiles each, which could only be launched from surfaced subs standing still at station keeping, where US Polaris solid propellant missiles could be launched from submerged US subs which carried 16 missiles each. Both the USA and the USSR KNEW FULL WELL that if it came to a nuclear war in 1962 over the Cuban Missile Crisis, the USSR would cease to exist, and they could utterly destroy Europe in the process, but the USA would only get a few dozen nuclear hits on the continental USA in the attack, as Russian bombers would have to run the gauntlet of defensive interceptor missiles like Nike Ajax and BOMARC and various interceptors like Scorpions armed with Genie nuclear air/air missiles designed to obliterate entire formations of Soviet bombers. Their few ICBM's and SLBM's could give the USA quite a punch, but certainly no knockout blow. WHICH is why the USA felt totally compelled to force the Soviet's hand by threatening nuclear attack over the missiles in Cuba, risking an illegal naval blockade of Cuba and various other escalatory and provocational actions in order to force the Soviets to withdraw the missiles. The Soviets, understanding that their hand had been called and they'd come up woefully short if it came to a nuclear war, decided to simply accept that loss of face and remove their missiles from Cuba. Kennedy, realizing how close the world had come, offered the Soviets a deal by agreeing to remove the Jupiter missiles from Turkey, which had in fact set the precedent of forward-deploying nuclear-capable missiles that had threatened the Soviets in a very destabilizing "launch on warning" situation, and which led to the Soviets feeling they were justified to do the exact same thing to the Americans to "level the playing field" until their own next generation ICBM's were ready. The whole affair led to the ouster of Khrushchev, but it also made up the Soviet's minds NEVER to be caught in an inferior position again, and they redoubled their efforts to build more advanced and more numerous nuclear missiles and weapons than the US had and to match them capability for capability, always with at least similar if not superior numbers and capabilities, than anything the USA would ever field. By the 1970's they had surpassed the USA and could devastate the entire North American continent in 30 minutes at the press of a button.
Seemingly impressive, but then you're saying "several hundred" incinerated in Nedelin Disaster, while WESTERN sources quote "74 individuals, with some reports suggesting a death toll as high as 126".
The way Ray speaks is perfect... whoever foesn't have time or is in a hurry or doesn't have patience.. can always switch off or change the transmission..
was an eyeopener to me about Trump's smart NY real estate gang being out of their depth in Washington ( & the good ol' boys from GA ): what has changed since the days of Harry Hopkins & A Harriman?
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these last 2 interviews Nima has done with Ray McGovern have been truly excellent
Agreed
Ray Magovern is such a great story teller!
Mr McGovern is a great peaceful and peace loving person, respect 🙏🙏
Always a pleasure to listen to the wisdom and knowledge of Ray McGovern. And Nima is the best interviewer.
Thank you, Nima, for providing platforms for people like Ray, Larry, and Scott. We wouldn't know what was really going on without channels like yours.
Boiling it down, there is no promise that the US makes, that it will not instantly break the moment it thinks it will be an advantage to do so.
And will then act like a victim when the other side responds.
That's the rules based order. US makes the rules and bends them immediately.
@@kraz007no wonder there are other countries that do not accept this order 🎉
As they promised the Indians when they landed in the new world 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This duplicity certainly worked against the native Americans. The trouble is that the US still thinks that most of the world consists of unsophisticated and poorly armed "natives" or "savages". It ignores the new multi-polar reality and continues to play dirty at its own peril.
Ray’ photographic memory is unbelievably rigorous. What brain this youngster has! Every interview is more brilliant than the last- any platform.
This is one of the best explanations of the timeline of how this all happened. Thank you.
Agreed. Great interview this time.
One of the benefits dubious as it is .
Is the speed at which things become
revealed .
It took decades after the death of JFK for the Turkish missile deal to become known .
In 2021 it took less than two years for the duplicity of the Biden Administrations duplicity reguarding deployment of missiles to another countries direct security to be revealed .
No wonder Gorbachovs insistance on the expansion of NATO was made crucial .
The idea that even non nukes could hit targets in Moscow in 9 minutes is horrific , In less than 5 with a N load is unthinkable for RF to accept .
So Finland , Poland and Romania and the Baltics are playing a Game of Washingtons useful idiots .
Why would anyone trust US
It's own citizens don't trust the US so...yeah.
Yeah, Ray needs to pinch himself about when budgetary intelligence began. The Good Ol' Boys cranked up the Mighty Wurlitzer even more under Truman's Regime.
We Finns trust U.S. weapons.
Harry S. Truman: “I never would have agreed to the formation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.”
The notion the CIA would ever provide "untreated intelligence" is laughable.
Washington 'intelligence' has always been informed by AmeriKKKan domestic politics, grotesque racism, and rapacious greed.
John F. Kennedy (June 10, 1963): “Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children-not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women-not merely peace in our time but peace for all time….”
Comments like this made Kennedy an enemy of oligarchs, and suitable for assassination.
TexASSan creeps celebrated the assassination on the press plane flying back from Dallas.
AmeriKKKans have always needed enemies more than reliable friends.
AmeriKKKan racist stupidity has always looked for these enemies to justify their corrupt greed and savage violence.
Karl Rove speaking for George Walker Bush 43 (Republican politics, 2002): “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
George Walker Bush (May 18 2022): "The result is an absence of checks and balances … and the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq… I mean of Ukraine.”
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Everytime I see this I remind myself , you will end up being a whole scale military base .
That makes Finland a target that it never was before.
Fantastic interview...Ray has lived the history and is putting all this together
The motto of the CIA The truth will set you free❤ in God we trust all others cash 😎🔥💰💵🆘
We are truly blessed to have someone like Mr. Ray McGovern amongst us.
May God and us all protect this man at all costs.
These amazing interviews with the wonderfully wise Ray McGovern are vital historical documents. Thank you for conducting such an informative series.
🙏👍😎
Thanks Nima
Thanks Ray
For another truth session and more ❤from 🇿🇦
Mr McGovern is one in a million.
Kaixo Nima and Ray😉 Always a pleasure to hear your great geopolitical update.keep up the good work. Greetings from the Basque Country.Euskalerria.
Nima, please bring Ray on again in the same format - this man is a un-ending fountain of insight and clear recollection, linking data and showing the way decisions were made and how we can move forward. As you do, let him talk and construct his history. It is fascinating.
Thank you Nima for inviting Ray McGovern
back as a guest. His interviews are always
extremely informative and highly
enlightening, no matter the topic discussed!
It is appalling that his voice is heard on
so few platforms, as everything he
elaborates upon is on point!
At least we get to benefit from Ray’s
years of experience and wisdom, during
your interviews with him. He has profound
wisdom on a broad range of topics, and we
are all better informed after listening to
what he has to say! Thank you Nima, for
having Ray McGovern back as a
recurring guest , on your wonderful
podcast! You are doing an excellent
job keeping us all well informed about
current events. Please keep up the
good work!
Mr. Lawrow is a smart , educated man. ❤❤❤
I never get tired listening to Ray McGovern's knowledge and wisdom.
It's refreshing to receive honest history.
This gentleman is a real treasure and a delight to listen to!
Long live Russia long live president Putin love and support from India 🇷🇺🤝🇮🇳 Uraaaaa💪
Okay, but who seriously trusts India? Just asking.
@@ade008ermmm India is playing a double game.
And love his easy, skillful, kindly way of narrating any progressively anguished chronology of events. With lots of good schoolboy humour. What a gem of a teacher if he ever was.
Youngster McGovern educates yet again. :)Bless you sir, and, Nima of course for providing us with these uncensored , truthful and objective interviews.
Nima, thanks for repeating the conversation again and again on this side with new insight each time
Yet another excellent and informative interview Nima, and with a truly exceptional guest in Ray McGovern: much appreciation to you both.
No no, on Reddit everyone says Ukraine can’t lose, all they need is a TRILLION DOLLARS!
Zelensky even talked about needing more immediately after the 61bn was approved 😂 in the UK they were pretending this money would be the end of it, playing to a smaller and smaller constituency of gullible morons
Mr. McGovern, Mr. Encyclopedia McGovern, once again received my thumbs up.
From Kennedy to Biden and Trump; how low a nation can sink..
Murder of JFK was end of American Republic and start of the Empire.
Nixon.
What? US enjoys best period in decades under Trump?
@@mojobag01 Nixon was a choir boy compared to this current crop of murderous thugs...
What a wonderful show, Thank you Nima for bringing Ray on!
Thanks Ray I was twelve years old and remember this incident in 1962 and that was the end of democracy in the USA. Four years later I was in Vietnam as a merchant, marine in the AFL-CIO and not one American soldier there believing that they were protecting their country.
Brainwashed went into vnam to fight for the French because of the rubber industry and vnam wanted to kick them out they wanted their independence just as the African countries are uniting to do now getting rid of white supremacy and colonialism that has been stealing the resources 😂😂😂😂
This is the best channel for truthful info about geopolitics
99.9% TRUTH will Do Me
Mr.McGovern - Brilliant as always
RAY MCGOVERN , MAY YOU LIVE LONG AND PROSPER , FOR THRUTHS SAKE MY MAN GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE TO TELL THE TRUTH
Thank you for letting this man speak without interruption. Unlike the judge.
Nima conducts an interview, and judge Nap conducts a dialog, which is usually done by equals. That’s the difference. If you are familiar with the Duran podcasters Alex Christoforou and Alexander Mercouris You would notice, that Alex uses both forms, depending on their guests and material.
@@stonefireice6058 thank you for breaking that down for me, much appreciated.
Didn’t we tell the Russians that we would take atomic weapons out of Turkey and Italy in lieu of Russia taking their out of Cuba?
We did and the Russians removed the missiles from Cuba.
Yes, secretly, and months later... the Russians had to remove theirs IMMEDIATELY and PUBLICLY. They had to eat crow. BUT the reason they put missiles in Cuba in the first place was their couple dozen ICBM's versus our 300+ ICBM's at the time, they were trying to level the playing field by putting missiles in to Cuba, and we had put our Jupiter missiles into Turkey at a time when we didn't have (enough) operational ICBM's to counter the 'Russian threat" (which was perceived and not actual). SO we set the precedent, which they then felt justified to follow. BUT for over half a century the story has been told about how the "evil cheating Soviets provoked the US by sneaking missiles into Cuba aimed at the poor, defenseless USA"... which is utter claptrap....
Long live Russia-China friendship!! 中俄友谊万岁！！！
This is the only way to go for both countries. Nobody in his right mind can trust America and the West.
Amazing historic overview of Karribean crisis. Thank you mr. Ray McGovern
Extremely well done!
You two, Ray and Nima, make a great team.
refreshing and SCARY ! thanks again guys..
Thank you for speaking the truth.
Many thanks to both of you...
Nima is well educated young man and Ray experienced professional. Brilliant conversation.
Young? 👀 Isn't Nima like 40?
@@johnnopeyy4129 Still a youngster in my book
Interesting interview, covers different ground - feels like i havent heard this one before. Great stuff, thanks Nima.
This is all we - Ukrainians need to know about this proxy NATO vs Russia war:
“Being an enemy of America is dangerous, being a friend of America is fatal.” - Henry Kissinger
***
>>>I guess it was the 12th or 13th time to Kiev, and I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. I got a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against a state prosecutor, and they didn’t.
“So as they were walking out to the press conference, I said, nah, we aren’t going to give you the billion dollars. They said you have no authority, you are not the President. I said call him. I’m telling you, you are not getting the billion dollars.
“You are not getting the billion; I am leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you are not getting the money.
“Well, son of a bitch, he got fired.>If you put aside the immense human suffering and look at Ukraine’s war through the cold lens of international power politics, a clear picture emerges: the West is having a good war against Russia.
All NATO has to do is send Kyiv munitions, equipment and money, which, as any general knows, is the c h e a p e s t way to wage war.
(...)
The lives are being given by the Ukrainians. They’re defending their nation but also, inadvertently, helping decide the Cold War.
For 70 years, NATO deterred a Moscow attack westwards. The Russians eventually invaded, last February, what they assumed would be a conquerable target on their south-western border.
The war that NATO long prepared for is finally being fought.
Thank you, gentlemen! 🙏🏻💪🙏🏻
"Some people have some devotion for the truth". What a quote. Thank you both.
Lavrov is the most formidable foreign minister ever.
Keep bringing us truth
Great stuff Nima from good old Ray. A hero of our times.thanks.
Ray is the funny, knowledgeable, well travelled, well connected and honest great uncle we all need and love.
Thanks for your transparent view of the facts
From a Sage, intelligence analysis, par excellence!
Thank you!
Excellent interview!
They're back education for everyone
NOT like university!
Nima giga chad actually letting people talk for 15 minutes straight
Whatever Ray Mcgovern informs us about the Usa we can believe, because he is a man of honor with an extensive knowledge of CIA cq. security service !!! May the Lord bless him !!!
I like very much to hear Ray McGovern. Very interesting. If more americans think as McGovern we would live in a better world.
Ray knows tradecraft; just like in le Carré spy novels
The world needs to know the truth
Do you think when the Soviet Union collapsed that USA and Europe should have supported them economically? Imagine
USA did support the USSR economically before and after collapse.
@@arostwocentsnot according to McGregor Ritter - on the contrary
Not support but exploit.
@@arostwocentssorry, but that is not true. They misused the situation instead.
That’s the exact word!
Thanks for the interview Nima
Bravissimo
I've been hearing that warning about the US first use of a tiny nuke. This time the explaination was convincing.😨 Wish DC had a no first use pledge.
👏👏👏👏 for this show!!!
The US-UK Axis Alliance has never been a Force for Peace! "Playing All Hail Oceania" - "The War is Not meant to be Won. It is meant to be Continuous" War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. George Orwell 1984.
Do the Europeans really listen to the details Mr.MacGovern explains or do they dismiss it as Russian propaganda
Not surprisingly, McG, omits to mention that the soviet submarines, that were escorting the ships with missiles to Cuba, started getting depth charged by U.S ships. This was an act of war. The three submarine captains had to agree unanimously to retaliate (with nuclear missiles). One captain wouldn't agree, which averted a nuclear exchange. We wouldn't be here now if all three sub captains had agreed. Some time later, the yanks admitted that they'd been depth charging the subs, and claimed that the soviets would've known that they didn't intend to destroy the subs (psychic?) - cr@p!!! Kennedy saved the world - double cr@p!!!
On point as always
Great commentary
Le mensonge est leur savoir faire depuis qu'ils ont mis les pieds en 1792.
Ray - "Intelligence agency that tells the truth" I burst out laughing, Ray, you worked for these establishments and you seriously think that they're in the business of telling the truth, its like a politician that tells the truth, neither has a career and get moved out or sideways pronto.
Ray is a lovely man.
Calm down David, I think Ray is a married man. 😂
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smart guest! agree 100%
Ray is getting better and better...going for the S tier
There is no such agreement that can be signed up with a predator.
Ray McGovern seems on the face of it genuine until I know better.
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Everything he says is true
@@arostwocents I'd like to think so, he's very knowledgeable and sharply intelligent.
It is despicable when one makes a serious acquisation without stating the reason.
an understatement at its best.
Speriamo tutti in un miracolo mr. Mcgovern, la pace dipende dagli USA. Grazie per la sua testimonianza.
Burns telling adulterated intelligence stories is symptomatic of a situation which makes telling the truth impossible, even for a man in his position.
Youre saying that without explaining the issue you had with it precisely?
@@arostwocents What the video says about Burns. That he has to tell his bosses budgetary intelligence reports. I’m suggesting that is not his fault alone, but that it speaks to a culture which does not allow anything better. A dire situation. Not unusual in an oppressive government.
„Beware of old men, they haven‘t got anything to lose.“ (Peter Scholl-Latour)
Beware of old overstretched empires, they haven‘t got anything to lose.
How can you believe anything that is real ? If you think we I'm walking on a ball instead of something flat,
Bravo
The other thing we didn't know until AFTER the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the opening of the KGB archives some time after that, was that the Soviets had ALSO installed "Frog" short-range nuclear missiles into Cuba to defend their missile bases from attack. These were highly mobile battlefield nuclear missiles on tank chassis, which could be launched at invading ground troops. The US Joint Chiefs of Staff were pressing VERY hard for Kennedy to invade Cuba to physically destroy or remove the missiles. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco that left Kennedy with egg on his face, this must have been very tempting and the chiefs were certainly pressing for it. BUT Kennedy realized that attacking the missiles and airfields (there were also a few Soviet medium bombers on Cuba supposedly given to the Cuban air force for their own use) would bring US forces and Soviets forces into direct combat, and likely provoke the very nuclear war he was trying to avert, which the US chiefs didn't care if they avoided since they KNEW "they'd win" based on sheer numbers of missiles and bombs and subs they had versus the Soviets at that time...
Luckily Kennedy resisted this impulse, because the Soviets command and control system was not as advanced as the US's either, and operating from Cuba put the Soviet leadership out of direct contact with their nuclear missile forces in Cuba. Thus Khrushchev had issued orders to the field commanders of the Frog missiles and IRBM's in Cuba that they had the freedom to launch their missiles IF they believed that it was "use them or lose them" ie if they were under attack by US forces from the air or an invasion of US forces into Cuba threatening to encircle them. They were in NO CIRCUMSTANCES to allow their nuclear weapons to be captured by the Americans. SO *IF* the USA HAD invaded Cuba, no less person than MacNamara himself (US Secretary of Defense under Kennedy) stated that there WOULD have been a nuclear war... The Soviet troops in Cuba would have launched their Frog missiles at the invasion beaches the US forces were landing on, and obliterated the invasion force with these battlefield nuclear weapons the US didn't even know were there. It would have been a shocking surprise to have thousands of US troops vaporized, burned, blinded, incinerated, and irradiated on the beaches of Cuba in the midst of an invasion, and of course once the balloon went up, the Russian missile regiments on Cuba would have readied, fueled, and launched their nuclear missiles as soon as they possibly could have, rather than risk their destruction by US air strikes or being overrun by US invasion troops or paratroops/special forces. The US would have of course launched an immediate nuclear counterstrike against the USSR and Cuba.
You should have Jill Stein on for some REAL political vision.
Who?
She has some good ideas no doubt. 👍
Would I put it past them, hell no. They are all crazy.
Obviously, every conversation - including phone calls - between officials needs live tape or digital recording¹!
1 Not that it necessarily would change much
Brics nations need to give us an alternative to TH-cam sick and tired of comments getting deleted and show I like to watch getting taken down.
More Russian propaganda !
Russia China Turkey Egypt.... Not intetested in saving Palestinians
Now this part of the story gets left out... The REASON why Khrushchev and the Soviet leadership felt they had the RIGHT to put missiles into Cuba was because the US had put the same medium and intermediate range nuclear missiles into Turkey and Italy, to put them in range of Soviet targets like Moscow, and capable of hitting Moscow with a thermonuclear explosion ten minutes after launch from Turkey. At the time the US strategic missile (ICBM) program was felt to be markedly behind the Soviet ICBM program, remember the Soviets demonstrated a capable ICBM by launching the world's first artificial satellite in October 1957, and in the uproar that followed Khrushchev had made some very foolish statements and blusters about the Soviets "cranking out missiles like sausages" which only played into US fears (and the US MIC's intention to get emergency programs funded to do a series of crash missile programs.) Thus was born the "missile gap" which sorta started due to a lack of intelligence over the USSR, but with the advent of the U-2 spyplane, the US was soon overflying all the Soviet missile bases and factories and knew EXACTLY what they had and didn't have, and it was proven that the "missile gap" was a myth. Of course politicians make hay even out of untrue stuff, and Kennedy made a lot of hay about the "missile gap" in the Presidential campaign of 1960, claims that he as a Senator had been informed were untrue, BUT which were based on secret information that couldn't be divulged to the public, so his rival in the campaign, Richard Nixon, who was Eisenhower's Vice President and ALSO had been briefed and shown the secret data that the missile gap was a farce and didn't exist, COULD NOT REFUTE Kennedy's claims WITHOUT revealing secret information, so he simply had to eat crow on the campaign trail over Kennedy's false claims about the missile gap.
For their part the Soviets were NOT happy about having US ballistic missiles in Turkey armed with thermonuclear warheads. Khrushchev's son, Sergei, said in an interview how much this angered and frustrated the Soviet leadership, including his father. Often while on holiday at their Crimean dacha Black Sea retreat, Khrushchev could be seen on the back veranda with a large pair of binoculars, staring through them out to sea. His guests would, perplexed, ask him, "Nikita Sergeyevich, what are you looking at?" To which he would reply, "American nuclear missiles in Turkey, pointed at my dacha!" A bit of black humor but typical of Russians to demonstrate the frustration they often feel at uncontrollable situations. The Jupiter was one of the early missiles developed by Werner Von Braun working for the Redstone Arsenal in Alabama... his first missile was the Redstone, a short-range ballistic missile that could loft a nuclear warhead a couple hundred miles, and which was basically a modernized and improved V-2 missile, using many of the same technologies like fins and carbon thrust vanes in the rocket exhaust to steer the missile, and using a combination of liquid oxygen and alcohol/water mix for fuel, just like the V-2. Jupiter was more advanced and of a longer range capability, and while they didn't possess the range to hit the USSR from launch sites in the USA, they could from launch sites in Turkey and Italy. The US, fearing that it was behind since development of their own ICBM in two separate programs, Atlas and Titan, was late in starting and suffering teething problems common with complex rocket launch vehicles (both would go on to become mainstays of the early US space program; even Jupiter would be retasked as an unmanned space launcher but a very unsuccessful one, the Juno II). SO with Turkey being a NATO ally, the USA felt it had the right to put Jupiter missiles into Turkey within range of the USSR heartland. After all, the Soviets were POWERLESS to do anything about it except complain!
Of course things had changed by 1962-- Both the Titan and Atlas missile projects had born fruit and overcome their problems and the US put over 300 Atlas and Titan ICBM's into service, first in coffin launchers and then early underground silos across the US. BUT they kept their Jupiters in Turkey. The USSR had its Semyorka, it's first R-7 ICBM that it launched Sputnik and then Yuri Gagarin and the other manned space missions with, but it was too big and cumbersome to ever be put into silos and they had only a few of them, and they were highly vulnerable since they launched from surface pads. The Soviets had undertaken a crash program to develop more survivable silo-based ICBM's, ones which also had faster response time and could stand on alert for long periods, using storable hypergolic liquid propellants rather than the volatile supercold liquid oxygen of the R-7 (and Atlas and Titan I as well, the US started its own program called "Titan II" to develop storable liquid propellant missiles, as well as solid propellant which the Soviets didn't have the technology to build advanced large solid propellant motors at the time). This led to the R-9 missile which accidentally exploded on the pad in 1960 in the so-called "Nedelin disaster" where several hundred scientists and technicians, as well as the newly-appointed head of the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces Marshal Nedelin, were incinerated when a malfunctioning R-9 was being serviced on the pad without defueling it, in order not to delay a test launch the Marshal was insisting go off on time, despite ignoring safety protocols. By 1962, the Soviets were still BADLY behind in the missile race, in fact they had only about a couple dozen missiles capable of hitting the USA from the USSR, while the USA had over 300 Atlas and Titan missiles in service. The Soviets couldn't measure up against the Strategic Air Command (SAC) at the height of its power as well, and the few diesel submarines it had were only armed with 3 storable liquid fuel missiles each, which could only be launched from surfaced subs standing still at station keeping, where US Polaris solid propellant missiles could be launched from submerged US subs which carried 16 missiles each. Both the USA and the USSR KNEW FULL WELL that if it came to a nuclear war in 1962 over the Cuban Missile Crisis, the USSR would cease to exist, and they could utterly destroy Europe in the process, but the USA would only get a few dozen nuclear hits on the continental USA in the attack, as Russian bombers would have to run the gauntlet of defensive interceptor missiles like Nike Ajax and BOMARC and various interceptors like Scorpions armed with Genie nuclear air/air missiles designed to obliterate entire formations of Soviet bombers. Their few ICBM's and SLBM's could give the USA quite a punch, but certainly no knockout blow. WHICH is why the USA felt totally compelled to force the Soviet's hand by threatening nuclear attack over the missiles in Cuba, risking an illegal naval blockade of Cuba and various other escalatory and provocational actions in order to force the Soviets to withdraw the missiles. The Soviets, understanding that their hand had been called and they'd come up woefully short if it came to a nuclear war, decided to simply accept that loss of face and remove their missiles from Cuba. Kennedy, realizing how close the world had come, offered the Soviets a deal by agreeing to remove the Jupiter missiles from Turkey, which had in fact set the precedent of forward-deploying nuclear-capable missiles that had threatened the Soviets in a very destabilizing "launch on warning" situation, and which led to the Soviets feeling they were justified to do the exact same thing to the Americans to "level the playing field" until their own next generation ICBM's were ready.
The whole affair led to the ouster of Khrushchev, but it also made up the Soviet's minds NEVER to be caught in an inferior position again, and they redoubled their efforts to build more advanced and more numerous nuclear missiles and weapons than the US had and to match them capability for capability, always with at least similar if not superior numbers and capabilities, than anything the USA would ever field. By the 1970's they had surpassed the USA and could devastate the entire North American continent in 30 minutes at the press of a button.
Seemingly impressive, but then you're saying "several hundred" incinerated in Nedelin Disaster, while WESTERN sources quote "74 individuals, with some reports suggesting a death toll as high as 126".
Behind the American Iron curtain.
It helps to watch Ray at 1.75x or 2x speed
1.25 speed is enough. If you need to.
Your brain can't take it in over 1.5x, it's been extensively studied. You hear it but it does not go into long term learning
The way Ray speaks is perfect... whoever foesn't have time or is in a hurry or doesn't have patience.. can always switch off or change the transmission..
You do it your way, we intelligent people will opt for the sensible setting.
was an eyeopener to me about Trump's smart NY real estate gang being out of their depth in Washington ( & the good ol' boys from GA ): what has changed since the days of Harry Hopkins & A Harriman?
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Is your name lauria? That's cool
🇷🇺 Slava Russia.
NatoKraine is the soft belly of the West.