Hmmm but he had prophets who did that...explained everything as messengers...yet you called Jesus god when he did the same as all the other prophets...God does not become a man he is above that. God is not a man or a women. Has no wife or children. It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.
The Ultimate Diva يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انْتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا • Abdul Haleem: People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a ‘Trinity’- stop [this], that is better for you- God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust. 4:171 An-Nisa', Ayah 171 -
I think it is commendable that she got up and asked those questions with openness to the answers. There was clearly more than just a desire to argue here. God bless her.
@@isla4953 I'm not quite certain he was necessarily being aggressive, but that the audio recorded in this clip was not that great, making it seem like he was yelling at her. Moreover, they both could have been really far away from each other, thus he had to raise his voice so she could hear him clearly.
I appreciate this kind of interaction so much. It was not about “nailing” the opponent and shaming her legitimate question. He engaged her in a way that showed respect and kindness paired with a desire to help uncover false/true ideas. He acted with humility rather than making his “triumph” the main objective. This is a real inspiration for how to engage those with whom we may differ on ideas. God grant us wisdom only with humility.
Daniel Dancer If I were pregnant, and knew without doubt, that my child would become another Hitler and cause untold suffering, I, or anyone with an iota of conscience, would abort the baby - and I’m not even god!! If god is all knowing, then he knew that Lucifer (who became Satan,) would cause untold suffering. God could have prevented it, but chose not to, so he is not a loving god (to say the least!).
gowd sake if I told you not to stand in the road because you’d be killed or maybe paralyzed and you did it anyway who’s fault would it be if you were to not listen to me? That’s exactly how life is! The Bible has given us the ways to be Christ like and warns us of the consequences of sin but yet some still chose to not listen and then they want to blame God for the aftermath! That’s not fair to blame God for the choice you make! You have been warned of the cost of sin. It’s up to you to decide whether you want to live right or choose wrong.
@@Danielle33384 What a load of bollocks ! You ignore all the other 30000 gods, godesses sky pixies that humanity has made up . You ignore the fact that in the bible if you are raped you should marry your rapist . You Ignore slavery , child abuse .You Ignore talking snakes , giants , 900 year old men .. Your pathetic attempt at pascalls wager has been totally debunked . The christian tactic of trying to scare people with hell, may have worked on iron age camel shaggers but it dont work nowadays !
@@gowdsake7103 You're so right. In the ancient world, there was a lot of illiteracy and a lot of belief in superstition and so it was easy to threaten people with God's punishment. The priests would threaten God's punishment on you, your children and your children's children. And people believed it. In modern times, there are better and more humane ways to make people follow moral standards.
That girl just said it would be beneficial if I were dead! I'm the product of rape. I was adopted and had a great mother but I also love my birth mother. She chose life!
You seem to completely misunderstand the pro-choice movement. Your mother CHOSE life, which is great and wonderful that she was able to make that choice. We obviously aren't advocating for women to be forcibly aborted whenever they get raped. It would not be beneficial if you were dead. However it is beneficial that your mother was allowed to make that choice.
I like how he told her she was a trooper for standing there and talking about it. You can see that little smile he brought to her face. Sometimes even little things like that can make a difference in people's lives, and I firmly believe that.
I can take an atheist who is honest and holds true to their beliefs. I can also take an atheist who is willing to listen to others and not just talk down or talk over said message. That I can respect.
I've seen many of Dawkins and Hitchens debates, and they always are poor presenters with very little intelligible thought. Dawkins' book, one of the most painful pieces of literature I've ever read, I'd literally rather read tax law.
God is perfect. The wages of just one sin is death. God judges all sin. All have sinned. Thus, all deserve death. However, God loves us too much for everyone to be judged. Thus, this is why Jesus Christ was needed to live a perfect life (so we can be perfected), and why He had to die (so our sins will be judged.)
What god? Last time I checked no god has been proven to exist, just a pipe dream of many religions . Atheism is the most logical position to take until someone can actually meet their burden of proof of this god character
@@badideass according to logic, a being that has the characteristics of God has to exist. To start this logical journey please answer the following, can something come from nothing?
@@chrisanderson7590 in chemistry yes, no logic says any god exists, assertions do not prove anything. Something from nothing??? You mean the fallacy theists repeat because they are sheep... How do you know there was nothing? No one knows what existed before the big bang. No one knows what caused the big bang... So a god is not Logical, assumptions are not evidence
@@Meson10 The common arguement that God allows bad things, is not only misguided and ignorant, it is wrong. God allows Free Will. Without it, you would be nothing more than a vegetable or a rock. It is your decisional capacity that sets you apart. And in giving people this, it also creates the possibility to kill, harm, steal and commit other sin. He doesn't control your Will, and it is this fact that allows us to either have faith and believe in Him, or it allows us to deny Him and his teachings.
I fully believe in God. I’ve been a Christian for 20 years. I was tormented by doubt the first couple of months after I got saved. Day and night I doubted about Jesus, but I still continued to go to church and praying and hungry and desperate for truth. But I was like Thomas the unbeliever in the Bible. Until one day I had my own personal experience with Christ, a supernatural but very real experience really. It happened after a church service, I believe this day too Jesus baptized me with the Holy Spirit. It started progressively, I started to feel God’s presence it wasn’t goosebumps or my neck hair standing, but I started to feel His presence in my heart and it became really intense to the point we’re all I could feel was His presence. I could feel his eyes looking at me, I could just feel Jesus. It was Him showing himself to me, casting out every doubt and desperation. Jesus revealed Himself to me, I cried and all I could do was surrender cause He showed himself to me. The next day I just wanted to tell everyone that Jesus was real. That God is real! This experience lasted three days! It’s been 20 years and I still remember like it was yesterday. God gave me the gift of faith; it knows no limits. I can rise my faith up to God at any moment and I know He sees, he listens and he wants to be near. God is real you just gotta Him time to show Himself to you. Pursuit truth, and truth will have no choice but to reveal itself to you. God bless 🙏🏻
I had been asking to do for years and he never does...was a church goer looking to feel the love from the God you are speaking of and never felt him..I know in my heart that there is a God but like you I am in the thomas moment of my life well being in it for a while and need to feel him
If you seeking for truth, why not try to go to other religions churches? How can you know Christianity is right and other religions are fake ? Muslims wants to know why you follow the man corrupted words from the bible. They want you to follow the Coran. Read the coran. You will find truth in every words
“Why is it that when God plays God and he chooses who lives and dies it’s immoral but when we choose who lives and dies it’s moral” 🔥🔥🔥 yeaaaaa that’s when he got her
God has the right to do anything he wants to any of us because he made us and owns us. People don't like to believe that because they don't want someone telling them what to do. God's purpose for creating us was to have us WANT to follow him and choose to be with him out of our own free will. Programming behavior into us would not serve that purpose. Everything HE does is for HIS reasons of wanting us to get to heaven to live and worship him.
@@rtbnb3201" Stated "When god kill people, he does it in horrifying ways." For a wise reason.... "20 And those who remain shall hear and [reverently] fear, and shall henceforth commit no such evil among you." Deuteronomy 19:20 (AMP.BIBLE)
I was there and spoke with her afterward, I commended her for having the courage to stand and ask a question. I encouraged her to keep searching and keep asking questions. She was a kind person and seemed to be honestly seeking answers because she stayed to speak with Dr Turek.
.. if you know the answers you should be teaching the truth - encouraging people to keep searching and asking questions is futile unless you can guide them in the right direction.
I absolutely liked her and respected her for having a civil discussion of intense and emotional subject matter in a place where it’s likely her viewpoint was the minority. I hope this lead her closer to Jesus in the end
no we just believe that he doesnt exist because its illogical and stupid to believe in something that you state we must seek out or some bullox.Guess what buddy emotions are illogical and thus your answer for proof is such and i wont abide so nope i say fuck you to your god mate
Genocides, and asking a father to murder his child, and telling you how to properly beat your slaves, infanticides, more genocides... You might be a sociopath if you think those are GOOD things.
I know you alredy did all of that things what you mentioned and still living means He knows what you doing but he loves still loves you and. Giving you to choose.
Well, then I hope you don't blame God when it is judgement time and He rejects you, because you rejected Him. That makes sense. If you want to be responsible for your own sin, it is your choice. Loving God promises eternal life in heaven if person accepts God's free gift (that Jesus Christ died and took punishment for our sin). Once we accept His gift, we are saved by His grace, because He loves us. Since God is also just, He must punish sin. If you want to take responsibility for your own sin, punishment happens in hell, and it is horrendous place to be in. I do not understand why anyone would want to go to that place...unless a person thinks this is a joke. I really hope you make the right choice while you are still alive. Because your eternal life depends on it.
@cosmik skeptic. Just study the complexity of the human eye or the whole body for that matter. If you think life just randomly appeared (impossible) and crawled out of a swamp and somehow developed into the present turned into the complex reality we are living in now, you my friend are the one with the sick mind!!! In the beginning GOD...Psalm 14:1 the fool hath said in his heart there is no GOD...
@@Rixster53 My optics teacher is constantly telling us how bad of an optical instrument the eye is (not even mentioning conditions like myopia). Any optical system made by humans is 100 times better.
@@cosmikskeptik9877 We can prove there through the complexity of nature, morality, prophecies in the bible, and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ. If there is no God, there is no standard of good and we can justify evil because we say it is good. Perhaps a better question is which religion has an accurate description of God.
Proverbs:trust in the Lord with all of your heart,lean not on your own understanding,acknowledge Him in all your ways,and He will make your path straight.
Jesus Christ is not a fairy tale. Messed up to think so. Do more research and you'll discover he was a living breathing person. There's plenty of writings about him besides the Gospels. Now whether you believe in what he did in taught is another thing entirely. But don't ignorantly say he's not real.
@Bob Smith I used to think the same thing, but later came to the acknowledgement of the basis of love, and that maybe Lucifer also had been given free will but was like the first being to ever kill, steal, and lie to someone and had gone his own way because HE chose to. Like this guy said in his previous videos, this which may be relevant to the standards of God's law placed on Lucifer: God isn't going to force anyone to love him, therefore Lucifer and anyone that followed him receives the same consequence as everyone else for breaking those laws. What do you expect? For God to control Lucifer for his actions? If Lucifer's being controlled by God, then thats not what love is.
@Bob Smith well if it makes a fit point enough to be told, then have at it. Even so, morality does still play a role in all life for some good reason whether you accept it in your worldview or not.
@Bob Smith okay...let me ask you a series of questions. They may not be consecutive. I just want to let you consider this on your own, if you do believe that there is a really a higher being among us: Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?
"“Does God have permission to play God?” Love it." Interesting question. So If I created children would I have the right to play god over their lives? Hmm.
"God should let me do whatever I want" Also "God should never let anything bad happen to anyone, even bad weather, accidentally slipping and falling, or even hurt feelings." I think I see where this SJW apocalypse came from... hrm.
@@mandyg9119 are you God? So when you do something that's God doing it? You seek to be confused. God can do what he wants, but you have to assume that what he wants is to determine you to do something evil to assume that God doing what he wants=you doing whatever you choose to do, including evil. If I have a dog and I leave and don't crate my dog, that's my choice. If my dog then eats my sofa that's on my dog, but I have to accept that I allowed it, but that doesn't mean my sofa being eaten was the outcome I actually wanted... that's on the dog. I think God owns the fact that he created the universe with the potential to go bad. In Genesis 6 you see God own that and "repent" of creating mankind. However he then judges mankind in order to stop this great evil he didn't want to happen. But because God is merciful he gave them time before his judgment, and he let some good people survive and start over, letting the human race... as is... have a second chance, instead of killing everyone and starting totally over. It's harsh, but it's nothing God owning the he has a portion of the blame for allowing it, but the problem isn't in him for giving us choice, but in the choosers for misusing that choice, so he judged them and gave better choosers a chance to do better in the absence of overt evil. You miss the point of my OP. you can't have it both ways. You can't nothing want God to just validate everything you do and be a soft and squishy new age God who's just nothing but nice and supportive, but then complain thy evil exists and complain that God doesn't do more to stop it. God is doing both, in his own time. He gives you opportunity to do good or evil without coercion to make you choose right... then, when the time is right, just like the flood, he'll intervene before we go so far that we make salvaging the human experiment impossible. He can guide people via society at large, to allow for small corrections, inspirations of goodness, gifts of beauty, talent, love, grace, giving us the tools to do better... but he gives us time to make what we will of those gifts and he let's natural consequences play out, both the injustices of pacifism, and the unfairness of victimization which passes down evil like a cancer. He let's people choose to perpetuate it or stop it, and he let's it play out AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, because that let's goodness vs will to power play out and let's pragmatic people with loved ones learn from that process and either get better at defining and defeating evil or get more selfishly pragmatic and take while it's advantageous. It's about organic process. It's like God is an English gardener. He wants nature to play out, but he's trying to arrange it such that a certain flower or fruit results, and before the weeds make it impossible for that fruit to flourish, he'll intervene, but not before because it's not a French garden, it's not about control but cooperation, it's not about the power of the gardeners will, but the beauty of nature, cultivated naturally in the name of love, thorns and all, weeds and all. And you can choose which role you play. He's not controlling you. But whatever you choose to do will end up playing a role in his final outcome. You'll either be the saint or the tragedy or the villain or the cautionary tale, or a bit of all of the above like most people, but it's on God that you exist, and it's on God how the story ends, but it's not on God what you chose to do with the time you have. And if you want God to control the game more then you're denying your own liberty to choose your path.
I agree . Can't hear her . My hearing is not good right now (very bad wax build up again ) , auto subtititles didn't help as much as I needed them too! Lol
@@timsharpe6652 ..Yes, I had same problem plus my mother tongue is Spanish ... Ufffffff I need to dig very careful on what are they asking and the responses. If somebody could please help me on the question he made on min 7:30 I WILL APPRECIATE IT with all my heart. Thank you
TheNonArtist 😆 love it. 👍🏼 i think the real reason he did it was to show us he was real and he understands what we go through as humans. To tell us he loves us and he knows what’s best for us. Like a real “father”
🙌🏼 I praise the Lord "For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." - Colossians 1:13-14 NASB
"The tribulation" may be just what this last generation of unbelievers needs. Maybe people like her, who hear and reject now, will reflect and believe later. There's evidently going to be a lot of people get saved during the tribulation. Maybe when they realize what Jesus has been trying to save them from all along, they will finally choose real life, in Him.
Christians & skeptics need to have more dialogue like this on a continual basis. It’s intriguing & educational on both sides. We are all looking for answers & I hope that God reveals Himself to that woman.
@Zeke Bean Hi Zeke, I promise not to quote the Bible to you and will allow you to explain to us your " rational " theory about the existence of the Universe without a creator, I have 2 questions for you 1. Explain to us what materials exploded/expanded during the " Big Bang 2. Do you beleive that gases , if given enough time can produce Zeke Bean?
Some biblical scholars I have heard say that its more like the wicked were getting warnings for around 300 years, but yeah same thing, plenty of chance. Q: "What kind of God would just kill people because they didn't believe in Him?" A: Well, he destroyed them because they were wicked to the core, doing all sorts of evil and ignored His warnings for several centuries. How long do *YOU* think people should get warnings that they are about to be punished? In the end, she was trying to judge God based upon *her* sense of what morals are, and a misunderstanding of what actually happened, which is rather ironic in itself.
pudencem1 wrong...we don’t know what they “averaged” before the flood. We just have a limited genealogy. I had to test out starting a reply by saying “wrong”...I always thought it was rude....but maybe you’re on to something.
Wait...doesn’t god know the future? If he does, he knew who would be evil. So why create them just to then blame them and ultimately kill them via a flood?
Thats why I say, with God on my side , I need no one else. He is my protector. Praise the Lord ! I fear no evil! He takes evil out! In his timing because his timing is perfect.
With God on your side, what about when you get sick from a cold or cancer are you going to pray about it because God loves you he'd for sure cure you or you going to seek medicine for it...Lol. just asking.
@ David I pray about all things . Yes I would pray . Its Gods will though . Cancer attacks the flesh , not the spirit. We all should be praying about all things . I've witnessed my family being healed from terrible illness . Its no lol matter . My husband had even said he was feeling like he was gonna die at one point from Crohns and we started praying together and after a year in the hospital with nothing but a feeding tube and a wound , the size of a shotgun wound , from a fistula that was pooring his insides out , I watched my husband healed by the power of Jesus . Prayer and patience. Gods timing is perfect. His love is like nothing else . I love him . I'm thankful. We are all gonna be healed forever or be dead forever . We have a choice and I choose life. With Jesus!
If God is the supplier of all things . Then why wouldnt Someone except medicine and pray that God is supplieing what your flesh needs . God is perfect, he is , no doubt. Just because someone excepts a treatment of meds to heal them of disease doesnt mean that God did not supply the knowledge for that medicine to be made . You pray about then you will know , you just know. Everything passes away . Thats scary unless your a believer in Christ and I truly believe . I pray and ask for forgiveness and protection everyday . I don't understand everything . I do know what I feel and I know Jesus is real and hes for us . I pray and live by his authority and what he says and what he did and how he lived. nothing else . Nothing can change that.
I was her once now I'm Jesus' own forever. I had struggled with self ,doubt,..seeked truth honestly sincerely and prayed if God is real I wanna know,..I eventually came(with His help Him showing me/Drawing me slowly but surely at my all open heart to Him ) to Yah is Salvation Jesus YAH'SHUA. HalleluYAH !
TestTheSpirits IfTheyAreOfYAH the end is near now even to our doors. If People don’t repent and change their ways there won’t be a second chance or excuses. God through people on earth Is giving fair warning.
Because humans sin. And to be forgiven someone needed to take the sin away. Hence animal sacrifices before Yahshua "Jesus" . If God just forgave people it Wouldn't be Just. As it HAS to punish evil acts. Thus someone or something had to take our punishment which happened.
paul morgan well it’s the most logical conclusion being a higher power since humans never created the universe or earth all we do is learn we don’t create so obviously a higher power was behind it but I’m sure you’re another thick headed person that believes what science says when science didn’t physically create or make a blue print of how the universe formed so please I’m waiting for your useless comebacks about god but you look like another delusional human being that claims to know everything when you don’t
@paul morgan Jesus the Christ is God in the flesh. Jesus the Christ fulfilled over 300 messianic old testament prophecies and if the odds of each were just 1 in 10 then the odds of one person fulfilling all of them would be 1 in 10 to the power of 300, to give you an idea of what kind of number that is I need to use the universe for example it is estimated that there are only about 10 to the power of 82 atoms in our universe. As far as the whys of the flood you need an understanding of genesis 6, the sons of God corrupted all life on earth(genetic corruption) this genetic causes evil to be the continuous norm and not only is God just in his judgments but without a moral law giver their is no right or wrong all would be relative. "Psalms 18:25-26 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright; With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward." Take care man you matter.
paul morgan man it really hurts my head seeing people like you discredit God when you had no involvement of the creation of the universe or earth so your opinions mean absolutely nothing. You didn’t design the nitrogen and oxygen we have and you certainly did not get to choose your life lol but hey man whatever you people do to get away from reality that you are all sinners and you all aren’t perfect like God . You are the kind of people like I say are delusional and walk around believing you have control and power but yet you’ll be dead like everyone of us that’s why God will always be more powerful you’ll never escape death so have fun walking around with yourself until it’s over 😥
paul morgan so you’re saying rocks created us , that’s what evolution comes up with , but no one was there so whatever you say is illogical , would be extremely logical for a higher power to design such a universe where life can sustain living. Okay even if evolution were true what created evolution ? That question will always be there and that’s where God comes into the picture bud . You can’t escape God he wants his creation to know he is there and that’s why a lot of people including me acknowledge him , if God never existed like frank said we wouldn’t know the difference between what’s right and what’s wrong. Keep dwelling in your sin and be grateful god is forgiven
I heard it told once for an example. Sin is like putting a nail in a board. When you ask for forgiveness the nail is pulled out, however it leaves a hole in the board. Sin hurts.
So, Noah spent 100 years warning people...telling them to get right with God, to end their wicked ways...everyone except his family ignored him...then, God is the unjust one for destroying them...Interesting logic. Fail.
Amnersha absolutely! So many people want to put the blame on God for their choices to live a life of sin! God is loving ALWAYS! God is perfect and holy and he has given us everything we need in order to have everlasting life with him! He has given us all the directions we will ever need! The Bible is our map! I don’t understand why people go against God and then blame him for the outcome!
Before coming to Christ by faith I was an intellectual atheist and one of the dumbest questions I’ll ask born again Christians was the following: “If God is good like you claim He is why does He allow evil and suffering to occur in this world including in my life why doesn’t He come down from Heaven right now to stop it?” I was so blind I couldn’t see that over 2,000 years ago Jesus Christ came down from Heaven. Put on human flesh. Suffered from evil men by being mocked, battered, flogged, bruised, nailed and died upon the Cross for our sins to redeem and reconcile us to God. Man gave the greatest slap to God to His face and didn’t know He was standing right in front of them!
Easy! Read the book of Isaiah. God claims to be the cause of evil and suffering. Why would god send god to stop god from being evil? That just makes no sense
@J D Matthew 27:46: About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). Hell is to be without God. People go to hell when God forsakes them. When he finally let's them fully go their own way like they wanted. Jesus was literally completely forsaken by God on the cross. Thus He suffered hell upon the cross. No other man suffers hell in this lifetime. Thus Jesus' suffering was the greatest suffering any man has suffered in this world. He was forsaken instead of us so that none of us would have to be. God bless!
Because He gave us free will. Free will is the choice to do what you want but God instructs us there are consequences to our actions that we cannot percieve, therefore he gives us the choice to listen or ultimately harm others and ourselves. To intervene in any persons actions (good or bad) would contradict free will because then you would not really be free to do it if you know someone is going to stop you. However there are always consequences to your actions and everyone pays the toll someday. Do not hold God to the standards of morality and the limited comprehension we humans have of this life, because we cannot comprehend the unchanging, endless without beginning and the infinite, or that something so great could be so benevolent, let alone see past our own petty lives and desires and still care about our individual salvation.
Thing is he will come down to stop all evil and that is a fearful thing. He will come again but it will be as a judge. But he wants as many as possible to turn to him before then. Sin and evil exists because of choice, when Adam and eve sinned by free will sin entered the world. The same free will leads to evil. God is not a god who controls his people like jesus said to follow me not let me drag you. As for suffering it is a consequence of sin. It is a difficult topic but we also have to understand that this world is full of humans who have evil intents towards others and we obviously know certain risk factors like radiation, pollutants, unhealthy diet etc increase the chance of sickness. we have to also remember god himself suffered.
I love Frank's graciousness towards her. Christians! Remember! Be loving and filled with kindness! I see a few comments that don't seem very gracious to this young lady. She seemed fearful and very emotionally based in her argumentation, but that doesn't mean she has no chance. Let's pray for her!
This is how you discuss ideas. i applaud that young lady for asking the question, not getting offended when the answer came back that wasnt what she believed and having the guts to challenge herself with debate. It's clear to me she has unresolved conflicts to work out but i have hope for her.
@@Hylianamused You can't apply the same logic to God. We call Him God for a reason. I was referring to abiogenesis. Premise: God created Adam and Eve. If God doesn't exist, how did a fatherless DNA exist?
King Charles Imagine believing in a letter written by an Iron Age priest who you know nothing about. No other sources even describe the man’s character but you are willing to completely believe his accounts because you’re brainwashed by religion
I tried to understand all that happens on earth. I saw how busy people are, working day and night and hardly ever sleeping. I also saw all that God has done. Nobody can understand what God does here on earth. No matter how hard people try to understand it, they cannot. Even if wise people say they understand, they cannot; no one can really understand it. Ecclesiastes 8 : 16-17 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. James 1 John 1 : 5 These 2 pieces of scripture give me peace in my heart when considering "Why dose God do XYZ."
paul morgan >goes to petty insults in order to prove that they’re right instead of making a counter argument. >tells other people to grow up. You’re the best meme
paul morgan Paul I mean this well but I can’t hold off to say , but you believe we all were created by rocks with what your science comes up with I just think it’s funny you believe you’re higher than anything here but in reality you have no power or control you can’t even tell me your whole life or what your life will be in 10 years from now you know why ? Because you don’t have control the control you atheist follows you believe your logic is superior but have no evidence of control in your life you didn’t even choose to be yourself , it’s funny watching you guys come at Christians but even funnier watching you live in that delusion of control good luck too you brother
paul morgan yes , because you were the first human that saw rocks form and create the life we have today that logic is hilarious , but hey I get it man you don’t want to admit you’re a sinner and you live for your desires and wants I get it man don’t have to explain it to me
Same complain against God same emotional question of many that when they hear the truth they get upset.. Thanks God for Frank and many good apologetic Christians. God bless you all from Seattle WA 😆👍
+Mitchell Nelson God didnt create satan He created Lucifer. He was a magnificent angel. God also gave the angels free will. In that free choice Lucifier decided he knew more than his Creator God. Lucifier decided his beauty was more than God. He wanted to be higher than the Lord who is perfect. So he convinced a third of the other angels that God was inferior and they fell or left heaven. Since then satan has continued to try to win converts. He started by tempting Adam and Eve. And in this fallen world satan made, he continues to try to win converts.
So you're telling me god created something to directly disobey him. He let that evil continue in this world. God is letting evil consume this world into a dark hole. As more people turn away he is allowing that. Don't give me that free will bull crap. If you god was truly all powerful and all knowing and "all good" it would have been stopped awhile ago.
What I respect about this woman is that even though I disagree with everything she says, she still treats the subject and the man with respect and calmness that many who share her ideals wouldn't do.
Her argument: "Humanity is made autonomous, autonomy grants self-determination, it is immoral to violate humanities self determination. Therefore God is immoral because He interrupts our autonomy." Two observations arise from this argument. Number one, she clearly has a father that is uninvolved in her decisions, but still supplies her every needs. Number two, this is the epitome of being self-willed, and being offended by any and all opinions about the direction of one's life. She wants to do whatever she thinks about at any given moment, and never be questioned by anyone, least of all God. She is clearly uneducated in the powers of this physical world and the spiritual World which allows her to be who she is now. A wonderful display of one of the dimensions of the word sin (disobedience personified).
I think it is simpler to say "God is immoral because He hands out eternal torment for the crime of simply not believing in Jesus, or being born imperfect." What a sadistic system
@@marlinbundo2409 It was simpler to just agree with the prevailing opinion that the world was flat, as well. Your use of "sadistic" & "torment", and "simple crime" shows you are uneducated in one of the world's oldest traditions. All I can say is, the earth is not as flat as your lack of knowledge and simple self-explanations.
I once heard the story of an athiest who converted to Christ before he died say "when you're healthy, successful, and doing well its very easy to be an athiest but it's very difficult to be an athiest when you're lying on your death bed".
Yes when your brain is halfway shut down and you are overwhelmed with fear of the abyss and a desire to live, retreating to comforting fantasies is an attractive option
@@marlinbundo2409 Says the man in seemingly good health and mind passing judgement on those that are perishing and have faith in the creator God and his promise to receive them into glory! If you “believe” we evolved from simple lifeforms into the billions of complex creatures alive on earth today, you sir are the one engaging in fantasy! The 2nd law of thermodynamics known as entropy proves that matter NEVER goes from a state of disorder to order! Everything in this universe is running down, getting depleted including your body and mind. We are spiritual beings made in the image of God. Man is a triune being (body-soul-spirit) and we have a soul that will live on forever. Rejecting the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ sentences a man to an eternity in the lake of fire. God created us and only God can save us when we put our faith and trust in the Son Of God and the blood he shed on the cross. Three days later, He walked out of that tomb without corruption according to the scriptures and is now our high priest in heaven, our advocate with the Father. Seeing he ever lives to make intercession for us! Evolution is the comforting fantasy of Christ rejecting sinners!
I respect that. But it sounds like you're saying that God is weakness and misery. And the more degenerate and weak you become, the closer you get to God. Happiness, health, and even life itself would all be very evil by this standard.
And God also knew one day he'd still flood the earth...Lol. because he's God right? He already knows peoples future before they were even created right?
1:10 The idea that this girl would believe that her own conception of morality would still be superior to God's, even if God proved Himself to the world is bewildering. She is describing all of the horrible things in the Bible that "God did" WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY CLAIMING NOT TO BELIEVE IN GOD.
when you plant a garden can you then uproot the garden at your Will? If weeds overtake your garden can you start over. If you take a dead branch that sits beside a living tree and toss the dead into the fire is that wrong? Dead hearts only hold the dead. Can a dead heart live in the presence of the living God? Can God be in the dead heart? Who fish's for the fish that floats? Does your heart float? Fish only for the living. Is the living in your heart? God is truth. Is truth in your heart?
Bennett Floyd Is removing a child from a flame wrong? Is picking your son up from daycare wrong? I can only imagine one like you who denys God choice, hands it over freely to the celebration of the modern women.
Bennett Floyd ..."humans are not weeds" ...well then Bennett what are they? pond scum? accidents? random evolution? Bennett you elevate yourself by knocking the stool below you. And Bennett, why are babies innocent? is the gazell innocent in your worldview? The lion? Innocence, Bennett, is implying guilt also exists. Who is the judge of the gazelle and lion? Who is the judge of the child? With one hand you deny your judge and the other hand you steal from him. How will you be judged Bennett, elevating his creation above your creator? Valuing "pond scum" and "random chance" above the Lord. Children are innocent Bennett... but only in the vicinity of the likes of you. You are wicked.
Bennett I admit I've failed to understand the deaf and blind can not see or hear... but I've learned. Here is a gift to you... "I never got a chance to play in the NBA but it doesnt matter because I never would have even scored a point!" ..... Good day Bennett ... till your last breath of your final morrow.
@@RedVelvetBlackleather Is supporting Black Lives Matter a problem as a Christian? Wait I get it! You’re probably one of those people that say in response all lives matter.
Frank made a statement that I would love a source from. He stated that over 90% (98% if I remember correctly) of abortions are a result of the mother not wanting the child and not as a result of a Sexual Assault. I would love to know that source (I believe that to be the case as well but want to be able to prove it).
Don't have a source but he's speaking about all abortions, regardless of when performed (whether the morning after pill or an emergency abortion to save the life of the mother 8 months in). Removing timing, it's pretty easy to accept that the vast majority of abortions are done because of simple choice.
Atheist mindset: They can tell an all knowing, all powerful, all good, merciful, loving God how to be God while still saying he has no right to tell them how to lead their lives, completely defy His existence and the laws he sets to try and get back at and yet still while denying His existence altogether
I don't think you understand the order you take to conclude on somethings existence, at least for your god. First of all, atheist deny God's existence much like you deny Vishnu's or Amaterasu's or Ra's existence: it is unreasonable and has no actual grounds to back them up. How can you judge the all powerful Zeus when he eats Metis over a silly prophecy? He is much more powerful and knowing than you, and you even go and oppose him by denying his existence! You see how ridiculous your argument is; you can't assume we are telling an omnipotent god what to do when we haven't even gotten past the fact that he almost certainly doesn't exist. The fact that atheist CAN tell your god what to do and question his actions when he is supposed to be perfect shows how ridiculous the concept of him is, and that in of itself is evidence against his existence.
Claris Montique Ahh, the "well what about the other Gods?!" argument. This tired and worn out Dawkins-inspired rhetoric had me fooled once. If you read the bible and tried to understand it you would see it has God's finger print all over it. But somehow you think it is our job to prove it all to you. It's not, stop being lazy and seek God. The evidence that most of us have you don't accept anyway because they are personal experiences, and you can't put it under a microscope or measure it so therefore it's not "scientific" enough for you.
Personal experience is by far the worst way of proving reality. They have so much outside bias going towards them and they are so inconsistent that they never give consistent results. If the other gods argument is so tired and worn down please explain why, because other religions have personal experiences and you discredit them, other religions say to find their god you must seek him out so please explain why your "evidence" is valid for you and not them. Your job as a christian is to prove it, stop assuming that the bible is evidence for itself, otherwise any text that says it is truthful is true. Judaism/ christianity isn't even the first religion, so it really is not even that special in the vast scope of things.
Claris Montique Oh no, I'm sure the followers of other religions have had experiences that are very real. They just don't understand where it's coming from. All other main religions either mock or deny Christ, take your pick. They also have a fanscination with serpents and death. It's pretty easy to figure it out. Look into near death experiences and you will prove yourself wrong. There are very stark similarities. No, that is not my job as a Christian. As a Christian I am supposed to share the gospel to you, but you obviously already know of it.
Pro choicers always use that argument to strengthen their views. What we can say is 93% are convenience abortions or flip it around and say less than 8% of abortions are due to rape or incest. If they argue that just say its a fact that has been proven.
Love the content! Frank's engagement on difficult questions is so helpful (even for a misguided Calvinist like me😅). Just hope they figure out how to get the q&a session mics directly into the video feed going forward. Hard to follow the audio here.
@@Carriedmusic I don't even know how to take your statement...Lol. I see people pray to get better from cancer and other sickness but yet still get medicines as well which one do you think works? I'll give you the answer medicines.
David no she means talking with God. And also just because God doesn’t answer prayer the way you want doesn’t mean he’s not there. He calls us to be obedient.
nickev96 May the joy of the Lord be our strength. We see how in these times we should hold on unto the word of the Lord like never before. Don’t let anyone take your crown as said in (revelations 3:11). Man tries to explain what it doesn’t understand and hates the idea of not knowing the fullness of everything while rejecting the creator who glorified himself through all his creation (Romans 11:36). Glory be to God for ever and ever.
If you design and build a machine and suddenly the prototype develops a major problem, do you ignore it, or modify it or even start over from scratch if the problem is unfixable as is?
Sometimes in this world as a Christian it’s so good to listen to someone like frank. Sometimes it can be lonely. People at work laughing or my family thinking I’m crazy. Then God puts frank in front of me and I’m lifted. Glory to the lamb. Our king. ❤️
I didn't watch the video because of the length of it. What confused me is the title. How can someone believe that God committed atrocities if they don't believe in God.
Sometimes to disprove something, you have to suppose it's true, and then draw from that conclusions you know to be false. If the conclusions are false, so was the premise you are supposing. This is usually known as "proof by contradiction". So the short answer might be that she doesn't believe God committed atrocities, but supposed that he did to try to show he doesn't exist.
I can tell you as a atheist i dont believe in your God, but it is better if I argue from the stand point of if he existed to show the twisted nature of your bible. Does this answer your question?
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“Free will” does not mean “no consequences”.
Patrat Leader true, I think 99% of people learn that before their 5th birthday
@@davidjames7106 Most atheists used their free will to believe in 'no free will'.
Atheists are more than 1%.
"You have free will, you can do whatever you want...but i will torture you for eternity if you make choices i dont like."
A long time ago we made it to paradise. I think that was implied within the sarcasm
A long time ago we made it to paradise. Not in a literal sense no.
If only God would come down in the form of a man and explain everything to us... then we would truly believe... oh, wait...
The Ultimate Diva: Well played.
His name is, Jesus..
Yes :)
Hmmm but he had prophets who did that...explained everything as messengers...yet you called Jesus god when he did the same as all the other prophets...God does not become a man he is above that. God is not a man or a women. Has no wife or children.
It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.
The Ultimate Diva يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انْتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَنْ يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا
• Abdul Haleem:
People of the Book, do not go to excess in your religion, and do not say anything about God except the truth: the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was nothing more than a messenger of God, His word, directed to Mary, a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers and do not speak of a ‘Trinity’- stop [this], that is better for you- God is only one God, He is far above having a son, everything in the heavens and earth belongs to Him and He is the best one to trust.
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I think it is commendable that she got up and asked those questions with openness to the answers. There was clearly more than just a desire to argue here. God bless her.
In contrast to some people who ask questions, looking for ways to discredit or combat.
He was very aggressive and it is such an annoying trait when people feel threatened and allow their emotions to get the better of them like he did
@@isla4953 I'm not quite certain he was necessarily being aggressive, but that the audio recorded in this clip was not that great, making it seem like he was yelling at her. Moreover, they both could have been really far away from each other, thus he had to raise his voice so she could hear him clearly.
@@isla4953 Did you listen till the end of the video? Frank told her he admired her for being brave, and he offered her a copy of his book.
It is a shame we can't all discuss disagreements in such a civil manner.
I appreciate this kind of interaction so much. It was not about “nailing” the opponent and shaming her legitimate question. He engaged her in a way that showed respect and kindness paired with a desire to help uncover false/true ideas. He acted with humility rather than making his “triumph” the main objective. This is a real inspiration for how to engage those with whom we may differ on ideas. God grant us wisdom only with humility.
That's the truth
Aloha . you have done your homework .. Isn't it rewarding to know what you know !
I've noticed that people always blame God but always forget about Satan
Ikr lol it's expected this world is fallen and Satan and demons are working. Thankfully God is working.
And Christians always forget that god created Satan, knowing full well the evil this would unleash
@@margaretbarrett7469 God didnt necessarily "create" Satan. Lucifer did it to himself. If I'm not wrong?
Daniel Dancer If I were pregnant, and knew without doubt, that my child would become another Hitler and cause untold suffering, I, or anyone with an iota of conscience, would abort the baby - and I’m not even god!! If god is all knowing, then he knew that Lucifer (who became Satan,) would cause untold suffering. God could have prevented it, but chose not to, so he is not a loving god (to say the least!).
@@margaretbarrett7469 oh I see where you're going with this. This convo is over then lol
We are free to choose but we are not free from the consequences of the choices we make
Ahh yesss believe what I do or be slaughtered and suffer eternal torment nice morals NOT !
That sums it up Bruce!
gowd sake if I told you not to stand in the road because you’d be killed or maybe paralyzed and you did it anyway who’s fault would it be if you were to not listen to me? That’s exactly how life is! The Bible has given us the ways to be Christ like and warns us of the consequences of sin but yet some still chose to not listen and then they want to blame God for the aftermath! That’s not fair to blame God for the choice you make! You have been warned of the cost of sin. It’s up to you to decide whether you want to live right or choose wrong.
@@Danielle33384 What a load of bollocks ! You ignore all the other 30000 gods, godesses sky pixies that humanity has made up . You ignore the fact that in the bible if you are raped you should marry your rapist . You Ignore slavery , child abuse .You Ignore talking snakes , giants , 900 year old men ..
Your pathetic attempt at pascalls wager has been totally debunked . The christian tactic of trying to scare people with hell, may have worked on iron age camel shaggers but it dont work nowadays !
@@gowdsake7103 You're so right. In the ancient world, there was a lot of illiteracy and a lot of belief in superstition and so it was easy to threaten people with God's punishment. The priests would threaten God's punishment on you, your children and your children's children. And people believed it. In modern times, there are better and more humane ways to make people follow moral standards.
That girl just said it would be beneficial if I were dead! I'm the product of rape. I was adopted and had a great mother but I also love my birth mother. She chose life!
Someone in the crowd spoke out about that
You seem to completely misunderstand the pro-choice movement. Your mother CHOSE life, which is great and wonderful that she was able to make that choice. We obviously aren't advocating for women to be forcibly aborted whenever they get raped. It would not be beneficial if you were dead. However it is beneficial that your mother was allowed to make that choice.
@@robaldrich7399link to the video? If you may
I don't know you, but I thought of you and all those like you when she said that, and it caused my heart to hurt...
I like how he told her she was a trooper for standing there and talking about it. You can see that little smile he brought to her face. Sometimes even little things like that can make a difference in people's lives, and I firmly believe that.
No one cares
@@Dinnier. ok
@@erincurrie1560 ok
I can take an atheist who is honest and holds true to their beliefs. I can also take an atheist who is willing to listen to others and not just talk down or talk over said message. That I can respect.
@@Dinnier. ... no, YOU don't care... and that's YOUR problem
I love how respectful Frank is. Whenever a Christian asked Dawkins or Hitchens anything, the answer would always be full of condescension.
The difference from being in the light and in the darkness
With no reasonable philosophical argument or willingness to accept a burden of proof for their arguments!
I've found that atheists often substitute condescension and ridicule for an actual argument.
I've seen many of Dawkins and Hitchens debates, and they always are poor presenters with very little intelligible thought. Dawkins' book, one of the most painful pieces of literature I've ever read, I'd literally rather read tax law.
You will know them by their fruits.
"why when God chooses who lives or dies, He's Immoral, But when we Choose who lives or dies its a moral right."
It isn’t.
God is perfect. The wages of just one sin is death. God judges all sin. All have sinned. Thus, all deserve death. However, God loves us too much for everyone to be judged. Thus, this is why Jesus Christ was needed to live a perfect life (so we can be perfected), and why He had to die (so our sins will be judged.)
What god? Last time I checked no god has been proven to exist, just a pipe dream of many religions . Atheism is the most logical position to take until someone can actually meet their burden of proof of this god character
@@badideass according to logic, a being that has the characteristics of God has to exist. To start this logical journey please answer the following, can something come from nothing?
@@chrisanderson7590 in chemistry yes, no logic says any god exists, assertions do not prove anything.
Something from nothing??? You mean the fallacy theists repeat because they are sheep...
How do you know there was nothing?
No one knows what existed before the big bang. No one knows what caused the big bang... So a god is not Logical, assumptions are not evidence
"How can you believe in an immoral God??? Yes I believe in abortion."
FACEPALM.
Bulls eye.
If your parents believe in what you believe, you won’t be here.
Also humans: support Nazis and communism
@@Meson10 The common arguement that God allows bad things, is not only misguided and ignorant, it is wrong. God allows Free Will. Without it, you would be nothing more than a vegetable or a rock. It is your decisional capacity that sets you apart. And in giving people this, it also creates the possibility to kill, harm, steal and commit other sin. He doesn't control your Will, and it is this fact that allows us to either have faith and believe in Him, or it allows us to deny Him and his teachings.
Her haircut screams I believe in abortion... you know you see these type people from a mile away and they have the same demonic spirit about them.
I fully believe in God. I’ve been a Christian for 20 years. I was tormented by doubt the first couple of months after I got saved. Day and night I doubted about Jesus, but I still continued to go to church and praying and hungry and desperate for truth. But I was like Thomas the unbeliever in the Bible. Until one day I had my own personal experience with Christ, a supernatural but very real experience really. It happened after a church service, I believe this day too Jesus baptized me with the Holy Spirit. It started progressively, I started to feel God’s presence it wasn’t goosebumps or my neck hair standing, but I started to feel His presence in my heart and it became really intense to the point we’re all I could feel was His presence. I could feel his eyes looking at me, I could just feel Jesus. It was Him showing himself to me, casting out every doubt and desperation. Jesus revealed Himself to me, I cried and all I could do was surrender cause He showed himself to me. The next day I just wanted to tell everyone that Jesus was real. That God is real! This experience lasted three days! It’s been 20 years and I still remember like it was yesterday. God gave me the gift of faith; it knows no limits. I can rise my faith up to God at any moment and I know He sees, he listens and he wants to be near. God is real you just gotta Him time to show Himself to you. Pursuit truth, and truth will have no choice but to reveal itself to you. God bless 🙏🏻
I had been asking to do for years and he never does...was a church goer looking to feel the love from the God you are speaking of and never felt him..I know in my heart that there is a God but like you I am in the thomas moment of my life well being in it for a while and need to feel him
If you seeking for truth, why not try to go to other religions churches? How can you know Christianity is right and other religions are fake ? Muslims wants to know why you follow the man corrupted words from the bible. They want you to follow the Coran. Read the coran. You will find truth in every words
“Why is it that when God plays God and he chooses who lives and dies it’s immoral but when we choose who lives and dies it’s moral” 🔥🔥🔥 yeaaaaa that’s when he got her
That's one of his best lines. He uses this argument often.
Chum Bucket actually not. God actually can’t interfere in mans affairs on Earth. He gave man domain over it.
God has the right to do anything he wants to any of us because he made us and owns us. People don't like to believe that because they don't want someone telling them what to do. God's purpose for creating us was to have us WANT to follow him and choose to be with him out of our own free will. Programming behavior into us would not serve that purpose. Everything HE does is for HIS reasons of wanting us to get to heaven to live and worship him.
When god kill people, he does it in horrifying ways. When we put people down, we do it with no pain.
@@rtbnb3201" Stated "When god kill people, he does it in horrifying ways."
For a wise reason....
"20 And those who remain shall hear and [reverently] fear, and shall henceforth commit no such evil among you."
Deuteronomy 19:20 (AMP.BIBLE)
I was there and spoke with her afterward, I commended her for having the courage to stand and ask a question. I encouraged her to keep searching and keep asking questions. She was a kind person and seemed to be honestly seeking answers because she stayed to speak with Dr Turek.
Good to hear and thank you for representing Christianity in a good way like that, with respect for those with conflicting views.
God bless you.
.. if you know the answers you should be teaching the truth - encouraging people to keep searching and asking questions is futile unless you can guide them in the right direction.
"Come unto me, all that are heavy burden and I shall give thee rest"
I absolutely liked her and respected her for having a civil discussion of intense and emotional subject matter in a place where it’s likely her viewpoint was the minority. I hope this lead her closer to Jesus in the end
I wish the mic were linked to the camera instead of only picking up the room audio with the echo, it’s hard to hear everything being said
Ikr
William H. Bonnie how is that productive, at all?? 🤙🏼 👊🏼💥
@William H. Bonnie Lmfao
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I concur Steve
I was agnostic, then atheist. then new age, now Christian.
it's very hard for an atheist to understand that God is good.
no we just believe that he doesnt exist because its illogical and stupid to believe in something that you state we must seek out or some bullox.Guess what buddy emotions are illogical and thus your answer for proof is such and i wont abide so nope i say fuck you to your god mate
Genocides, and asking a father to murder his child, and telling you how to properly beat your slaves, infanticides, more genocides... You might be a sociopath if you think those are GOOD things.
Good to hear ,God bless you
Same
No Greater Love, good to hear
We always question God about Him taking lives, but we never thank Him for giving and sparing our individual lives.....daily....Hmmm.
We always question Jeffrey Dahmer for murdering people, but we never throw him a party for all the people he chose NOT to murder...hmm
May God bring her to love him through the Holy Spirit
Great prayer. It was running thru my head as well.
If God would just let me live as I want, reject Him, curse Him, commit heinous acts opposed to morality, then I would believe in Him. That makes sense
That’s about the size of it.
God isn’t going to force us to love Him. He gives us a choice to see who genuinely wants Him in their life. D’uh
I know you alredy did all of that things what you mentioned and still living means He knows what you doing but he loves still loves you and. Giving you to choose.
Well, then I hope you don't blame God when it is judgement time and He rejects you, because you rejected Him. That makes sense.
If you want to be responsible for your own sin, it is your choice.
Loving God promises eternal life in heaven if person accepts God's free gift (that Jesus Christ died and took punishment for our sin). Once we accept His gift, we are saved by His grace, because He loves us.
Since God is also just, He must punish sin. If you want to take responsibility for your own sin, punishment happens in hell, and it is horrendous place to be in. I do not understand why anyone would want to go to that place...unless a person thinks this is a joke.
I really hope you make the right choice while you are still alive. Because your eternal life depends on it.
@@mega54321 They were being sarcastic
People hate God's sovereignty.
Please PROVE this God exists... outside of the Bible and your own damaged mind
@cosmik skeptic. Just study the complexity of the human eye or the whole body for that matter. If you think life just randomly appeared (impossible) and crawled out of a swamp and somehow developed into the present turned into the complex reality we are living in now, you my friend are the one with the sick mind!!! In the beginning GOD...Psalm 14:1 the fool hath said in his heart there is no GOD...
Bingo you hit the nail on the head.
@@Rixster53 My optics teacher is constantly telling us how bad of an optical instrument the eye is (not even mentioning conditions like myopia). Any optical system made by humans is 100 times better.
@@cosmikskeptik9877 We can prove there through the complexity of nature, morality, prophecies in the bible, and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ. If there is no God, there is no standard of good and we can justify evil because we say it is good. Perhaps a better question is which religion has an accurate description of God.
Frank is always so gracious in these discussions. There's a lot for me to learn from him.
Love how he commends her for debating with him, and she just shakes her head and walks off. Should tell you all you need to know about her mindset.
Proverbs:trust in the Lord with all of your heart,lean not on your own understanding,acknowledge Him in all your ways,and He will make your path straight.
Amen
The Bible is 10x better when read with Joshua Grahams voice
Amen.
@Paul Morgan Cool story, bro.
Jesus Christ is not a fairy tale. Messed up to think so. Do more research and you'll discover he was a living breathing person. There's plenty of writings about him besides the Gospels. Now whether you believe in what he did in taught is another thing entirely. But don't ignorantly say he's not real.
“Does God have permission to play God?” Love it.
Megan Lukes It says he does whatever he wants
@Bob Smith I used to think the same thing, but later came to the acknowledgement of the basis of love, and that maybe Lucifer also had been given free will but was like the first being to ever kill, steal, and lie to someone and had gone his own way because HE chose to. Like this guy said in his previous videos, this which may be relevant to the standards of God's law placed on Lucifer: God isn't going to force anyone to love him, therefore Lucifer and anyone that followed him receives the same consequence as everyone else for breaking those laws. What do you expect? For God to control Lucifer for his actions? If Lucifer's being controlled by God, then thats not what love is.
@Bob Smith well if it makes a fit point enough to be told, then have at it. Even so, morality does still play a role in all life for some good reason whether you accept it in your worldview or not.
@Bob Smith okay...let me ask you a series of questions. They may not be consecutive. I just want to let you consider this on your own, if you do believe that there is a really a higher being among us: Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?
"“Does God have permission to play God?” Love it."
Interesting question.
So If I created children would I have the right to play god over their lives?
Hmm.
I think a major problem is that many people today have really forgot how horrible sin is
"God should let me do whatever I want"
Also
"God should never let anything bad happen to anyone, even bad weather, accidentally slipping and falling, or even hurt feelings."
I think I see where this SJW apocalypse came from... hrm.
@@mandyg9119 are you God?
So when you do something that's God doing it?
You seek to be confused.
God can do what he wants, but you have to assume that what he wants is to determine you to do something evil to assume that God doing what he wants=you doing whatever you choose to do, including evil.
If I have a dog and I leave and don't crate my dog, that's my choice. If my dog then eats my sofa that's on my dog, but I have to accept that I allowed it, but that doesn't mean my sofa being eaten was the outcome I actually wanted... that's on the dog.
I think God owns the fact that he created the universe with the potential to go bad. In Genesis 6 you see God own that and "repent" of creating mankind. However he then judges mankind in order to stop this great evil he didn't want to happen. But because God is merciful he gave them time before his judgment, and he let some good people survive and start over, letting the human race... as is... have a second chance, instead of killing everyone and starting totally over.
It's harsh, but it's nothing God owning the he has a portion of the blame for allowing it, but the problem isn't in him for giving us choice, but in the choosers for misusing that choice, so he judged them and gave better choosers a chance to do better in the absence of overt evil.
You miss the point of my OP.
you can't have it both ways.
You can't nothing want God to just validate everything you do and be a soft and squishy new age God who's just nothing but nice and supportive, but then complain thy evil exists and complain that God doesn't do more to stop it.
God is doing both, in his own time. He gives you opportunity to do good or evil without coercion to make you choose right... then, when the time is right, just like the flood, he'll intervene before we go so far that we make salvaging the human experiment impossible.
He can guide people via society at large, to allow for small corrections, inspirations of goodness, gifts of beauty, talent, love, grace, giving us the tools to do better... but he gives us time to make what we will of those gifts and he let's natural consequences play out, both the injustices of pacifism, and the unfairness of victimization which passes down evil like a cancer. He let's people choose to perpetuate it or stop it, and he let's it play out AS LONG AS POSSIBLE, because that let's goodness vs will to power play out and let's pragmatic people with loved ones learn from that process and either get better at defining and defeating evil or get more selfishly pragmatic and take while it's advantageous.
It's about organic process. It's like God is an English gardener. He wants nature to play out, but he's trying to arrange it such that a certain flower or fruit results, and before the weeds make it impossible for that fruit to flourish, he'll intervene, but not before because it's not a French garden, it's not about control but cooperation, it's not about the power of the gardeners will, but the beauty of nature, cultivated naturally in the name of love, thorns and all, weeds and all.
And you can choose which role you play. He's not controlling you. But whatever you choose to do will end up playing a role in his final outcome. You'll either be the saint or the tragedy or the villain or the cautionary tale, or a bit of all of the above like most people, but it's on God that you exist, and it's on God how the story ends, but it's not on God what you chose to do with the time you have. And if you want God to control the game more then you're denying your own liberty to choose your path.
Everything that happens is according to God's plan and God's will, and it's long past time God took some responsibility for his actions.
@@schwann145 oh yes it's almost like humans aren't responsible as well
@@tjtjmich16p We can't be responsible. *All* things happen according to God's will and God's perfect plan. We have no choice in the matter.
Great to see an honest question from someone who is really looking for an answer, and isn't just trolling.
amen, may Jesus work in her heart.
Loved this video. Audio was horrendous.
I agree . Can't hear her . My hearing is not good right now (very bad wax build up again ) , auto subtititles didn't help as much as I needed them too! Lol
@@timsharpe6652 ..Yes, I had same problem plus my mother tongue is Spanish ... Ufffffff I need to dig very careful on what are they asking and the responses. If somebody could please help me on the question he made on min 7:30 I WILL APPRECIATE IT with all my heart. Thank you
Yaaaaasss preach
Me too, even I can't hear anything
Yeah, especially for non-English speakers like me
And God still loves us. He's truly amazing.
I love how they applauded for her afterwards. Love and kindness.
Perfect justice is very difficult for some folks to comprehend. I was one of them. I get it now. Thank God he sent us a savior. 🙏🏼
TheNonArtist 😆 love it. 👍🏼 i think the real reason he did it was to show us he was real and he understands what we go through as humans. To tell us he loves us and he knows what’s best for us. Like a real “father”
🙌🏼 I praise the Lord "For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." - Colossians 1:13-14 NASB
Every answer was avoided bcuz she does not want to acknowledge that God is in control. Most deny for this very reason. Control
And pride.
"The tribulation" may be just what this last generation of unbelievers needs. Maybe people like her, who hear and reject now, will reflect and believe later. There's evidently going to be a lot of people get saved during the tribulation. Maybe when they realize what Jesus has been trying to save them from all along, they will finally choose real life, in Him.
No most people deny because of lack of proof!
@@d12zrk the proof is there. It's pride that prevents you from accepting it.
@@ryankelly9032 Nope wrong...I want proof. so you are saying this is a soul thing correct?
Beauty! Man looks at the outword appearance. God looks at the heart.
Christians & skeptics need to have more dialogue like this on a continual basis. It’s intriguing & educational on both sides. We are all looking for answers & I hope that God reveals Himself to that woman.
God does not reveal himself to those who believe in him, why should he to one who doesn't?
Because he's not there. So get over him.
" the fool says in his heart there is no God"
@Zeke Bean
Hi Zeke, I promise not to quote the Bible to you and will allow you to explain to us your " rational " theory about the existence of the Universe without a creator, I have 2 questions for you
1. Explain to us what materials exploded/expanded during the " Big Bang
2. Do you beleive that gases , if given enough time can produce Zeke Bean?
The real fool is the one who just believes in God because they are told to as a child instead of doing their own research!
@@d12zrk you're speaking but saying nothing.
@@version3155 I clearly can say more to you than your God can :)
@@d12zrk why are you so angry lmao, honestly non-believers talk more about God than those who actually believe
"We just change locations". I find that comforting.
Depending on which location you end up in...
1 Corinthians 15:1 - 4
1 Thessalonians 4:13 -18
Love her, she was seeking, God had her in the palm of his hand. What a great session.
Man I clapped at the end, hope she's found her way. Love this lady's courage.
Every single person that was alive before the flood had ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY YEARS of chance - that's a choice, if I've ever seen one
Wrong. Biblical life span of men reduced after floods. Before floods they kind of averaged around 900years except Enoch who was taken by God @ 365
@@arcsephiroth what I was saying is that that's how long it took to build the arc
Some biblical scholars I have heard say that its more like the wicked were getting warnings for around 300 years, but yeah same thing, plenty of chance.
Q: "What kind of God would just kill people because they didn't believe in Him?"
A: Well, he destroyed them because they were wicked to the core, doing all sorts of evil and ignored His warnings for several centuries. How long do *YOU* think people should get warnings that they are about to be punished?
In the end, she was trying to judge God based upon *her* sense of what morals are, and a misunderstanding of what actually happened, which is rather ironic in itself.
pudencem1 wrong...we don’t know what they “averaged” before the flood. We just have a limited genealogy. I had to test out starting a reply by saying “wrong”...I always thought it was rude....but maybe you’re on to something.
Wait...doesn’t god know the future? If he does, he knew who would be evil. So why create them just to then blame them and ultimately kill them via a flood?
Thats why I say, with God on my side , I need no one else. He is my protector. Praise the Lord ! I fear no evil! He takes evil out! In his timing because his timing is perfect.
With God on your side, what about when you get sick from a cold or cancer are you going to pray about it because God loves you he'd for sure cure you or you going to seek medicine for it...Lol. just asking.
@ David I pray about all things . Yes I would pray . Its Gods will though . Cancer attacks the flesh , not the spirit. We all should be praying about all things . I've witnessed my family being healed from terrible illness . Its no lol matter . My husband had even said he was feeling like he was gonna die at one point from Crohns and we started praying together and after a year in the hospital with nothing but a feeding tube and a wound , the size of a shotgun wound , from a fistula that was pooring his insides out , I watched my husband healed by the power of Jesus . Prayer and patience. Gods timing is perfect. His love is like nothing else . I love him . I'm thankful. We are all gonna be healed forever or be dead forever . We have a choice and I choose life. With Jesus!
If God is the supplier of all things . Then why wouldnt Someone except medicine and pray that God is supplieing what your flesh needs . God is perfect, he is , no doubt. Just because someone excepts a treatment of meds to heal them of disease doesnt mean that God did not supply the knowledge for that medicine to be made . You pray about then you will know , you just know. Everything passes away . Thats scary unless your a believer in Christ and I truly believe . I pray and ask for forgiveness and protection everyday . I don't understand everything . I do know what I feel and I know Jesus is real and hes for us . I pray and live by his authority and what he says and what he did and how he lived. nothing else . Nothing can change that.
@@monicawalser7266 Sounds more like your husband was healed by the power of doctors and medicine. If God did it, then why didn't you stay home?
I like how he explains everything so well.
It's called confirmation bias!
The guy holding the microphone deserves a raise
I was her once now I'm Jesus' own forever. I had struggled with self ,doubt,..seeked truth honestly sincerely and prayed if God is real I wanna know,..I eventually came(with His help Him showing me/Drawing me slowly but surely at my all open heart to Him ) to Yah is Salvation Jesus YAH'SHUA. HalleluYAH !
TestTheSpirits IfTheyAreOfYAH the end is near now even to our doors. If People don’t repent and change their ways there won’t be a second chance or excuses. God through people on earth Is giving fair warning.
Because humans sin. And to be forgiven someone needed to take the sin away. Hence animal sacrifices before Yahshua "Jesus" . If God just forgave people it Wouldn't be Just. As it HAS to punish evil acts. Thus someone or something had to take our punishment which happened.
Where does it say the "innocent cannot atone for the wicked" & animal sacrifices were routinely preformed
Hebrews 10:10-12 , Isaiah 53:6-7
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-I have the feeling that she really don't want an answer, she just wants to find an excuse.
@paul morgan unfortunately the wages of sin is death.
paul morgan well it’s the most logical conclusion being a higher power since humans never created the universe or earth all we do is learn we don’t create so obviously a higher power was behind it but I’m sure you’re another thick headed person that believes what science says when science didn’t physically create or make a blue print of how the universe formed so please I’m waiting for your useless comebacks about god but you look like another delusional human being that claims to know everything when you don’t
@paul morgan Jesus the Christ is God in the flesh. Jesus the Christ fulfilled over 300 messianic old testament prophecies and if the odds of each were just 1 in 10 then the odds of one person fulfilling all of them would be 1 in 10 to the power of 300, to give you an idea of what kind of number that is I need to use the universe for example it is estimated that there are only about 10 to the power of 82 atoms in our universe.
As far as the whys of the flood you need an understanding of genesis 6, the sons of God corrupted all life on earth(genetic corruption) this genetic causes evil to be the continuous norm and not only is God just in his judgments but without a moral law giver their is no right or wrong all would be relative.
"Psalms 18:25-26 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;
With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward."
Take care man you matter.
paul morgan man it really hurts my head seeing people like you discredit God when you had no involvement of the creation of the universe or earth so your opinions mean absolutely nothing. You didn’t design the nitrogen and oxygen we have and you certainly did not get to choose your life lol but hey man whatever you people do to get away from reality that you are all sinners and you all aren’t perfect like God . You are the kind of people like I say are delusional and walk around believing you have control and power but yet you’ll be dead like everyone of us that’s why God will always be more powerful you’ll never escape death so have fun walking around with yourself until it’s over 😥
paul morgan so you’re saying rocks created us , that’s what evolution comes up with , but no one was there so whatever you say is illogical , would be extremely logical for a higher power to design such a universe where life can sustain living. Okay even if evolution were true what created evolution ? That question will always be there and that’s where God comes into the picture bud . You can’t escape God he wants his creation to know he is there and that’s why a lot of people including me acknowledge him , if God never existed like frank said we wouldn’t know the difference between what’s right and what’s wrong. Keep dwelling in your sin and be grateful god is forgiven
I heard it told once for an example. Sin is like putting a nail in a board. When you ask for forgiveness the nail is pulled out, however it leaves a hole in the board. Sin hurts.
I admire how gracious Frank is to people who express their honest reservations, even as others interject in the midst of their exchange.
He shut her down with her pro-choice agrgument. I do hope she listened to him and hope her heart and mind is stirred up by Jesus.
How do you know the Christian God is the right God?
@@TheEternalOuroboros It makes the most sense
@@AndyC1 How do you really know that though? Have you read the Quran?
@@TheEternalOuroboros Isn't the Quran what Muslims follow?
@@TheEternalOuroboros how do you know someone loves you
Great conversation. I appreciate her willingness to engage without emotional responses. Even though she was unwilling to see the conflict in her logic
So great to see this conversation done respectfully and articulately
They need to fix their mic's. I have a hard time hearing them, more so the person that ask the question.
"THATS JUST NOT TRUE SIR. MORALS AREN'T A MATTER OF OPINION" Is that your opinion, man shouting from the audience?
U on point
Hah you identified the self defeating comment easily! Well done!
Exactly! The man is literally saying his _own opinion_ about morality and yet he says it _isn't_ a matter of opinion. 🤦♂️
Unbelievable.
So, Noah spent 100 years warning people...telling them to get right with God, to end their wicked ways...everyone except his family ignored him...then, God is the unjust one for destroying them...Interesting logic. Fail.
Noah was Osiris before he became Noah.
@The weaver of words if He's good He will let you make your own choices even though He doesn't agree with them.
Amnersha absolutely! So many people want to put the blame on God for their choices to live a life of sin! God is loving ALWAYS! God is perfect and holy and he has given us everything we need in order to have everlasting life with him! He has given us all the directions we will ever need! The Bible is our map! I don’t understand why people go against God and then blame him for the outcome!
@@Danielle33384 The world is spirituality blind, we all are until Spirit rips the veil.
The same thing with sodom and gomorra. God gave them so many chances but they didn’t choose.
I pray she found Jesus
He’s so patient and respectful
Before coming to Christ by faith I was an intellectual atheist and one of the dumbest questions I’ll ask born again Christians was the following:
“If God is good like you claim He is why does He allow evil and suffering to occur in this world including in my life why doesn’t He come down from Heaven right now to stop it?”
I was so blind I couldn’t see that over 2,000 years ago Jesus Christ came down from Heaven. Put on human flesh.
Suffered from evil men by being mocked, battered, flogged, bruised, nailed and died upon the Cross for our sins to redeem and reconcile us to God.
Man gave the greatest slap to God to His face and didn’t know He was standing right in front of them!
Easy! Read the book of Isaiah. God claims to be the cause of evil and suffering. Why would god send god to stop god from being evil? That just makes no sense
@J D Matthew 27:46: About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
Hell is to be without God. People go to hell when God forsakes them. When he finally let's them fully go their own way like they wanted.
Jesus was literally completely forsaken by God on the cross. Thus He suffered hell upon the cross. No other man suffers hell in this lifetime. Thus Jesus' suffering was the greatest suffering any man has suffered in this world. He was forsaken instead of us so that none of us would have to be.
God bless!
Because He gave us free will. Free will is the choice to do what you want but God instructs us there are consequences to our actions that we cannot percieve, therefore he gives us the choice to listen or ultimately harm others and ourselves. To intervene in any persons actions (good or bad) would contradict free will because then you would not really be free to do it if you know someone is going to stop you. However there are always consequences to your actions and everyone pays the toll someday. Do not hold God to the standards of morality and the limited comprehension we humans have of this life, because we cannot comprehend the unchanging, endless without beginning and the infinite, or that something so great could be so benevolent, let alone see past our own petty lives and desires and still care about our individual salvation.
Thing is he will come down to stop all evil and that is a fearful thing. He will come again but it will be as a judge. But he wants as many as possible to turn to him before then. Sin and evil exists because of choice, when Adam and eve sinned by free will sin entered the world. The same free will leads to evil. God is not a god who controls his people like jesus said to follow me not let me drag you.
As for suffering it is a consequence of sin. It is a difficult topic but we also have to understand that this world is full of humans who have evil intents towards others and we obviously know certain risk factors like radiation, pollutants, unhealthy diet etc increase the chance of sickness. we have to also remember god himself suffered.
How did Jesus Christ coming down stop d evil or justify the atrocities his God committed
When we realise we're our own worst enemies - we can actually start to see the truth..
I love Frank's graciousness towards her. Christians! Remember! Be loving and filled with kindness! I see a few comments that don't seem very gracious to this young lady. She seemed fearful and very emotionally based in her argumentation, but that doesn't mean she has no chance. Let's pray for her!
This is how you discuss ideas. i applaud that young lady for asking the question, not getting offended when the answer came back that wasnt what she believed and having the guts to challenge herself with debate. It's clear to me she has unresolved conflicts to work out but i have hope for her.
"I don't believe in Evolution because of the things it's done."
I don't believe in evolution because in reality everyone has a father.
hahhahah
@@Hylianamused You can't apply the same logic to God. We call Him God for a reason.
I was referring to abiogenesis.
Premise:
God created Adam and Eve.
If God doesn't exist, how did a fatherless DNA exist?
@@Hylianamused Which one comes first? DNA or protein?
Prove it you can exist without God.
@@Hylianamused We exist: fact. So, DNA or protein first?
Can the lump of clay say to the Potter why have you made me like this?......
King Charles Imagine believing in a letter written by an Iron Age priest who you know nothing about. No other sources even describe the man’s character but you are willing to completely believe his accounts because you’re brainwashed by religion
@@dallasburns7806 I rather be "brainwashed" by Gods word (the bible) than brainwashed by the indoctrination of culture and "modern science"
CSTE Who wrote Genesis? You don’t know? But you still think it’s the word of god? Who’s listening to reliable sources here?
@@dallasburns7806 That went right over your head didn't it...
I'd rather be a slave to God than to man and culture.
CSTE You mean a slave to an Iron Age religion that has been dying a rapid death over the last 50 years 😂😂😂
I tried to understand all that happens on earth. I saw how busy people are, working day and night and hardly ever sleeping. I also saw all that God has done. Nobody can understand what God does here on earth. No matter how hard people try to understand it, they cannot. Even if wise people say they understand, they cannot; no one can really understand it.
Ecclesiastes 8 : 16-17
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
James 1 John 1 : 5
These 2 pieces of scripture give me peace in my heart when considering "Why dose God do XYZ."
God bless you, Dr. Frank Turek!
People want to blame God for their own mistakes.
paul morgan >goes to petty insults in order to prove that they’re right instead of making a counter argument. >tells other people to grow up. You’re the best meme
paul morgan Paul I mean this well but I can’t hold off to say , but you believe we all were created by rocks with what your science comes up with I just think it’s funny you believe you’re higher than anything here but in reality you have no power or control you can’t even tell me your whole life or what your life will be in 10 years from now you know why ? Because you don’t have control the control you atheist follows you believe your logic is superior but have no evidence of control in your life you didn’t even choose to be yourself , it’s funny watching you guys come at Christians but even funnier watching you live in that delusion of control good luck too you brother
paul morgan no I forgot you created the universe so of course give yourself credit for everything here , you’re just another follower
paul morgan yes , because you were the first human that saw rocks form and create the life we have today that logic is hilarious , but hey I get it man you don’t want to admit you’re a sinner and you live for your desires and wants I get it man don’t have to explain it to me
paul morgan Yea sorry I’ve read up on it and I it’s funny
This is an honest young lady. She is what I would call a true Seeker. I hope she continues looking for Jesus so she may find Him.
Jesus is within your heart and the heart of your neighbor.
Yukon Jack Jesus is within my heart. Wait. Nuuuuuu wth I better go to the doctorrrrrr
Said a prayer for her!
Hear hear.
she is thinking. better to think than pray. thinking gets results. prayer gets you nowhere.
The abortion part came out HARDDDD I loved it. Dont question God's righteousness. Hes not human He's the One andddd ONLY Almighty 😤
Same complain against God same emotional question of many that when they hear the truth they get upset.. Thanks God for Frank and many good apologetic Christians. God bless you all from Seattle WA 😆👍
We choose our morality over God's morality so we are higher than God. Thats been satans goal since he fell, to be above God.
Why did he make Satan. Or has Satan always been?
Has Satan been around since God?
+Mitchell Nelson God didnt create satan He created Lucifer. He was a magnificent angel. God also gave the angels free will. In that free choice Lucifier decided he knew more than his Creator God. Lucifier decided his beauty was more than God. He wanted to be higher than the Lord who is perfect.
So he convinced a third of the other angels that God was inferior and they fell or left heaven.
Since then satan has continued to try to win converts. He started by tempting Adam and Eve. And in this fallen world satan made, he continues to try to win converts.
So you're telling me god created something to directly disobey him. He let that evil continue in this world. God is letting evil consume this world into a dark hole. As more people turn away he is allowing that. Don't give me that free will bull crap. If you god was truly all powerful and all knowing and "all good" it would have been stopped awhile ago.
Kitty: Please explain what is our morality and what is god's morality, because most Christians think their morality is the same as their god.
If we have the same morality as god mass genocide is okay.
The audio is extremely watery/cloudy. Had a lot of difficulty listening on my tablet.
Alice InBrill yeah, too much echo.
What I respect about this woman is that even though I disagree with everything she says, she still treats the subject and the man with respect and calmness that many who share her ideals wouldn't do.
That whole "are you pro life or pro choice" question was BARS!!
Her argument:
"Humanity is made autonomous, autonomy grants self-determination, it is immoral to violate humanities self determination. Therefore God is immoral because He interrupts our autonomy."
Two observations arise from this argument. Number one, she clearly has a father that is uninvolved in her decisions, but still supplies her every needs. Number two, this is the epitome of being self-willed, and being offended by any and all opinions about the direction of one's life.
She wants to do whatever she thinks about at any given moment, and never be questioned by anyone, least of all God. She is clearly uneducated in the powers of this physical world and the spiritual World which allows her to be who she is now.
A wonderful display of one of the dimensions of the word sin (disobedience personified).
Nice!! I love this. Very well said
I think it is simpler to say "God is immoral because He hands out eternal torment for the crime of simply not believing in Jesus, or being born imperfect." What a sadistic system
@@marlinbundo2409
It was simpler to just agree with the prevailing opinion that the world was flat, as well. Your use of "sadistic" & "torment", and "simple crime" shows you are uneducated in one of the world's oldest traditions.
All I can say is, the earth is not as flat as your lack of knowledge and simple self-explanations.
I once heard the story of an athiest who converted to Christ before he died say "when you're healthy, successful, and doing well its very easy to be an athiest but it's very difficult to be an athiest when you're lying on your death bed".
Yes when your brain is halfway shut down and you are overwhelmed with fear of the abyss and a desire to live, retreating to comforting fantasies is an attractive option
@@marlinbundo2409 Says the man in seemingly good health and mind passing judgement on those that are perishing and have faith in the creator God and his promise to receive them into glory! If you “believe” we evolved from simple lifeforms into the billions of complex creatures alive on earth today, you sir are the one engaging in fantasy! The 2nd law of thermodynamics known as entropy proves that matter NEVER goes from a state of disorder to order! Everything in this universe is running down, getting depleted including your body and mind. We are spiritual beings made in the image of God. Man is a triune being (body-soul-spirit) and we have a soul that will live on forever. Rejecting the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ sentences a man to an eternity in the lake of fire. God created us and only God can save us when we put our faith and trust in the Son Of God and the blood he shed on the cross. Three days later, He walked out of that tomb without corruption according to the scriptures and is now our high priest in heaven, our advocate with the Father. Seeing he ever lives to make intercession for us! Evolution is the comforting fantasy of Christ rejecting sinners!
@@marlinbundo2409 The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” Psalm 14:1
@@nicolaw.1117 do you think you are accomplishing anything with this low effort regurgitation of empty dogma?
I respect that. But it sounds like you're saying that God is weakness and misery. And the more degenerate and weak you become, the closer you get to God. Happiness, health, and even life itself would all be very evil by this standard.
Is there a way to improve the quality of the sound...it is very difficult to hear
It's pride. Pray and love people.
*Praise ... the ... LORD.* 🖐️
during Noah's time people knew who God was, but they lived in sin.
And God also knew one day he'd still flood the earth...Lol. because he's God right? He already knows peoples future before they were even created right?
At least 3 people alive during most of the time before the flood actually had conversations with God. Adam, Eve, & Cain.
1:10
The idea that this girl would believe that her own conception of morality would still be superior to God's, even if God proved Himself to the world is bewildering.
She is describing all of the horrible things in the Bible that "God did" WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY CLAIMING NOT TO BELIEVE IN GOD.
funny enough, she is exactly the type that would have been destroyed in Sodom and Gomorrah, for her wickedness.
I like how Dr. Turek encouraged her at the end.
She has that "I get my feelings hurt easily" look
JOINT CHIEF 😂😂😂😂😂😂👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Just about All rainbows do..
God and his super fans don’t have to get bogged down by empathy, just blame imaginary satan or demons
Preacher has that creepy old white man used to unquestioned authority look
JOINT CHIEF that description sounds very atheists. Any triggered atheist in the comment section? 😂
She's clearly not trying to understand, she just wants to cause problems. So frustrating.
Well then go pray about it then...Lol. I mean talk to yourself...Lol.
she knew exactly what he meant, but sensed where he was going so feigned confusion; typical of those looking to disprove the truth, not find it
It is sad and terrifying that there are really people out there like this lady. I pray for you, In the mighty name of Jesus!
when you plant a garden can you then uproot the garden at your Will? If weeds overtake your garden can you start over. If you take a dead branch that sits beside a living tree and toss the dead into the fire is that wrong?
Dead hearts only hold the dead.
Can a dead heart live in the presence of the living God? Can God be in the dead heart? Who fish's for the fish that floats? Does your heart float? Fish only for the living. Is the living in your heart? God is truth. Is truth in your heart?
Bennett Floyd Is removing a child from a flame wrong? Is picking your son up from daycare wrong? I can only imagine one like you who denys God choice, hands it over freely to the celebration of the modern women.
Bennett Floyd ..."humans are not weeds" ...well then Bennett what are they? pond scum? accidents? random evolution? Bennett you elevate yourself by knocking the stool below you. And Bennett, why are babies innocent? is the gazell innocent in your worldview? The lion? Innocence, Bennett, is implying guilt also exists. Who is the judge of the gazelle and lion? Who is the judge of the child? With one hand you deny your judge and the other hand you steal from him. How will you be judged Bennett, elevating his creation above your creator? Valuing "pond scum" and "random chance" above the Lord. Children are innocent Bennett... but only in the vicinity of the likes of you. You are wicked.
Bennett I admit I've failed to understand the deaf and blind can not see or hear... but I've learned.
Here is a gift to you...
"I never got a chance to play in the NBA but it doesnt matter because I never would have even scored a point!" .....
Good day Bennett ... till your last breath of your final morrow.
Beautiful written.
God bless you.
Are you seriously comparing living sentient beings with weeds? That is what a psychopath does.
"I don't know what you're asking." :/ Poor girl.
Poor tink tink
Millennial, self glorifying, probably LGBTQ and supports BLM and communism because “inclusiveness yessss queeen ✨❤️💥” that’s how these people think.
Paul Morgan why are you so obsessed? I’ve already seen you on several comments 😂
She definitely knew...she was playing dumb
@@RedVelvetBlackleather Is supporting Black Lives Matter a problem as a Christian? Wait I get it! You’re probably one of those people that say in response all lives matter.
Frank made a statement that I would love a source from. He stated that over 90% (98% if I remember correctly) of abortions are a result of the mother not wanting the child and not as a result of a Sexual Assault. I would love to know that source (I believe that to be the case as well but want to be able to prove it).
Don't have a source but he's speaking about all abortions, regardless of when performed (whether the morning after pill or an emergency abortion to save the life of the mother 8 months in).
Removing timing, it's pretty easy to accept that the vast majority of abortions are done because of simple choice.
Man, he’s got loads of patience.
Atheist mindset:
They can tell an all knowing, all powerful, all good, merciful, loving God how to be God while still saying he has no right to tell them how to lead their lives, completely defy His existence and the laws he sets to try and get back at and yet still while denying His existence altogether
Sammy Kaiser Haha, so true. Athiests really are like spoilt brats I can't believe I used to be one of them.
I don't think you understand the order you take to conclude on somethings existence, at least for your god. First of all, atheist deny God's existence much like you deny Vishnu's or Amaterasu's or Ra's existence: it is unreasonable and has no actual grounds to back them up. How can you judge the all powerful Zeus when he eats Metis over a silly prophecy? He is much more powerful and knowing than you, and you even go and oppose him by denying his existence! You see how ridiculous your argument is; you can't assume we are telling an omnipotent god what to do when we haven't even gotten past the fact that he almost certainly doesn't exist. The fact that atheist CAN tell your god what to do and question his actions when he is supposed to be perfect shows how ridiculous the concept of him is, and that in of itself is evidence against his existence.
Claris Montique Ahh, the "well what about the other Gods?!" argument. This tired and worn out Dawkins-inspired rhetoric had me fooled once. If you read the bible and tried to understand it you would see it has God's finger print all over it. But somehow you think it is our job to prove it all to you. It's not, stop being lazy and seek God. The evidence that most of us have you don't accept anyway because they are personal experiences, and you can't put it under a microscope or measure it so therefore it's not "scientific" enough for you.
Personal experience is by far the worst way of proving reality. They have so much outside bias going towards them and they are so inconsistent that they never give consistent results. If the other gods argument is so tired and worn down please explain why, because other religions have personal experiences and you discredit them, other religions say to find their god you must seek him out so please explain why your "evidence" is valid for you and not them.
Your job as a christian is to prove it, stop assuming that the bible is evidence for itself, otherwise any text that says it is truthful is true. Judaism/ christianity isn't even the first religion, so it really is not even that special in the vast scope of things.
Claris Montique Oh no, I'm sure the followers of other religions have had experiences that are very real. They just don't understand where it's coming from. All other main religions either mock or deny Christ, take your pick. They also have a fanscination with serpents and death. It's pretty easy to figure it out.
Look into near death experiences and you will prove yourself wrong. There are very stark similarities.
No, that is not my job as a Christian. As a Christian I am supposed to share the gospel to you, but you obviously already know of it.
"Before I educated myself" - Proceeds to say that less than 1% of abortions are convenience abortions when in fact it's 93% lol
Pro choicers always use that argument to strengthen their views. What we can say is 93% are convenience abortions or flip it around and say less than 8% of abortions are due to rape or incest. If they argue that just say its a fact that has been proven.
Bryan S. Actually it’s around 1% not 8% 😬😬
@@carolineriley4771 I just subtracted 93% from 100% like Dr. Turak said.
@Richard Ball "Less than 8%" means 1% to 7% NOT 8%
Guess my "Christian math" is still correct.
@Richard Ball That was the stupidest comment I read in a while.
Love the content! Frank's engagement on difficult questions is so helpful (even for a misguided Calvinist like me😅). Just hope they figure out how to get the q&a session mics directly into the video feed going forward. Hard to follow the audio here.
Hard to hear the audio. Much appreciate her coming forward for this discussion
Praying for these people.
You literally mean when you say praying for these people you mean talking to yourself.
@@d12zrk if talking to "yourself" didnt work then nobody would be doing it 😉
@@Carriedmusic I don't even know how to take your statement...Lol. I see people pray to get better from cancer and other sickness but yet still get medicines as well which one do you think works? I'll give you the answer medicines.
David no she means talking with God.
And also just because God doesn’t answer prayer the way you want doesn’t mean he’s not there.
He calls us to be obedient.
nickev96 May the joy of the Lord be our strength. We see how in these times we should hold on unto the word of the Lord like never before. Don’t let anyone take your crown as said in (revelations 3:11). Man tries to explain what it doesn’t understand and hates the idea of not knowing the fullness of everything while rejecting the creator who glorified himself through all his creation (Romans 11:36). Glory be to God for ever and ever.
And she shook her head as she walked away. I think she didnt get the reaction she was expecting
If you design and build a machine and suddenly the prototype develops a major problem, do you ignore it, or modify it or even start over from scratch if the problem is unfixable as is?
I Trust GODS judgement more than my own .
Sometimes in this world as a Christian it’s so good to listen to someone like frank. Sometimes it can be lonely. People at work laughing or my family thinking I’m crazy. Then God puts frank in front of me and I’m lifted. Glory to the lamb. Our king. ❤️
And glory to the same God that taught us slavery in the bible and how to keep are slaves after the seven years are up...Glory to God.
I didn't watch the video because of the length of it. What confused me is the title. How can someone believe that God committed atrocities if they don't believe in God.
Sometimes to disprove something, you have to suppose it's true, and then draw from that conclusions you know to be false. If the conclusions are false, so was the premise you are supposing. This is usually known as "proof by contradiction".
So the short answer might be that she doesn't believe God committed atrocities, but supposed that he did to try to show he doesn't exist.
!! THIS just made me scream! HA! VERY good comment. lol!!
How about you watch the video and find out
Watch the video 🔥 make it a lot easier.
I can tell you as a atheist i dont believe in your God, but it is better if I argue from the stand point of if he existed to show the twisted nature of your bible. Does this answer your question?
Awesome way of ministering to people.
Very unprepared and lost, and secretly looking for direction... I hope she found it.
Then pray for her. You can tell she isnt speaking with the arragonce of someone who already has dogmatically made up their own mind.