@@legend1849are you new to football? How is this a real question ? 😂 forget Saban. I am willing to bet that not Saban, Flores nor any other coach that Tua has played for coached him HARDER than his own father 😂 how do we know!? WE WATCH FOOTBALL THATS how we know
Nick Saban had balance he didn’t alienate young men. Belichick did not have normal behavior, he produced deviant clones. It’s no wonder that in 2020s this behavior is seen less and less.
The owner was trying to pay Flores to lose. Why isn’t that apart of any context? Talk about quitting.. is quitting the ultimate loss??.. talk about that
@@SteppingRazorDel … there’s a difference between tanking (which MANY teams have done “suck for luck” for example) and outright sabotage ... and the “tank for Tua” was obviously before he was drafted so it’s unrelated to how he coached Tua once he arrived … which is the debate here.
Saban is a hard ass everyone knows that … the context is what matters … what’s the person’s intent. Saban is trying to motivate Flo’s just bitter and breaking him down because he didn’t want him there. It’s that easy. It’s not “hard to imagine” btw … many MANY players have gone on record to say Flo crossed the line with all of them.
Saban was indeed a Hard ass, but he also was a players coach. Granted it’s a unique combination of qualities that’s what makes coaches like Saban so great. Very few coaches can achieve that balance.
Tua played under Saban and got regular beatings by his dad for throwing interceptions. Flores tried to make him quit so he could get the guy with over 20 sexual assault allegations.
Exactly 💯. Coaches abuse people and players can't tell the truth? Give me a break. Flores did those things to Tua and much more. And yes only terrible people do those things
@@zo7096 Flores is no longer Tua's coach. Tua isnt sworn to silence over any of this. You run your mouth about people with a bigger public persona, this is going to happen. Flores is 24-25 as a HC, never made the playoffs, who the hell is he to criticize like that? These arent little leaguers that Flores can trash without repercussions. Based on what Tua is saying, Flores stepped WAAAAY over the line. Since when is it ok to tell grown men they suck just because it's not public? Tua led the league in passing yards last season, what has Flores done without Belichick and Brady? Nothing. If anyone should be called out that he doesnt belong here, it should be Flores. Screw that guy. Guarantee you Gruden didnt go personal like Flor
Watch the interview again. He didn't. He was saying the difference between good and terrible. That's what the News media does, created drama, because it sells
Simms tryna spin this into Tua not being tough (comming back after DISLOCATED HIP and life threatening Concussions) and, someone thats soft or cant be coached hard (his dad was very hard on him and he came up under saban which he is still very close with) Nice try tho
A coach's job is to motivate players to get the most out of themselves. Not all players will respond the same, but your job as a coach is to know what makes that player tick.
Flores didnt want Tua. He wanted Herbert or Deshawn Watson. Moving forward Tua needs to win big games against top opponents. Win playoff games maybe, but the bottom line is win. I see mediocrity at best.
Don’t really blame Tua for feeling the way he does about Flores. Let’s be real, Flores tried to sabotage Tua’s career the way Jeff Fisher did Vince Young’s.
Mike McDaniels words might have made Tua feel better but its his elite playcalling thats keeping him on the league He a poor mans Garrapolo A bad backup. Never goes through any reads. All scheme. McDaniel is the star. 2nd best coach ever after GOAT REID
He is mostly what’s holding the dolphins back, I’m sure they’ll win at least one playoff game if it’s at home or in a favorable environment but when it comes down to it won’t be because of him but in spite of him.
True chanpions, true competitors, strive to prove a coach wrong in this situation. It motivates them. Soft fellas like Tua need constant praise, adoration, and all the weapons in the world around them to be elevated. Thats why Tua will forever be a mid tier QB. This is why Tua falls apart down the stretch, when football gets tough. This is why Tua will never win a championship.
Tua (and his Mom and Dad) described his Dad beating him with a belt when , as a teenage athlete, Tua had a bad game / threw an INT in an ESPN interview (College GameDay with Tom Rinaldi 2018). So maybe Tua was done with abuse in general?
The lazy narrative that Tua didn’t work hard is frustrating to hear. Tua didn’t say he didn’t work hard, he said he didn’t have the opportunity to learn in the way that was best for him. He said the way he learns best is through physical reps and repetition, which he couldn’t do after his injury during a shortened Covid off-season and training camp. Everything we know about Tua, from high school, college, and now professionally is that he is constantly putting in the work to get better in general and focus on fixing things and improving in ways that he knows, he needs to get better at.
Well, Flores came out today and admitted he should have handled things differently. He admitted mistakes and wants to learn from it. He probably was a jerk in Miami, but he's not a bad coach.
terrible he gave us 2 winning seasons for first time in 20 years. However, He had no clue how to run an Offense or a team hints, why he had 3 coordinators in as many seasons. He was a terrible teacher IF he ever gets a HC job again, I would be Shocked unless he comes out and publicly says I fucked up I was this and that and I am dropping lawsuit he will never be HC again!
As a Miami Dolphin fan, Brian Flores was a cancer. It's been nothing but fun times since he left. We haven't won at any level yet, but we're not mediocre and we're having fun. All that we have wanted as a fanbase for the last 30 years.
@@hassensaleh2323 … don’t be a Richard … everyone enjoys when their team is electric … even during the Brady years when no one was winning the SB but the Pats. Hell there are still a lot of franchises with 0-Lombardi’s.
@@hassensaleh2323 Okay...want to know what we were before? Basically 8-8 every year, with no middle of the pack drafts, Ryan Tannehill as a starter and Brian Hartline as my starting receiver. But apparently you don't believe in levels to shit lol
@@tkuebler9561 The product on the field is exciting. You're trying to argue that a team can't be boring to watch, trust me, I watched them. This is much better.
Tua is a soft dude…….nothing wrong with that…….some players can’t handle getting chewed out…….you think brady enjoyed getting reamed all the time……..7 rings………how about Bradshaw and noll…….4 rings how many soft lovey coaches have rings………Vermeil has one after 50 years of coaching…….Pete Carrol has 1………and that’s the list
Flores was upset and sued about not getting an HC job - he was a jerk as a HC, uncollaborative, and disliked by most who worked with him. And now this. I would never give a thought to hiring him
And turned around the Vikes defense in one year with the same guys that been there. The dude is a great coach. He’s old school and these millionaire athletes are entitled. Mfs just being soft
@@DWoodsIINo, he’s a great DC, every Dolphin fan would take him back as a DC, we loved his defense but he’s a terrible head coach. We’ve always said that. The offense under Flores was so pedestrian that the running game was basically Tua throwing 5 yard passes to Waddle just so the ball would move to give the defense a rest. Worst O-Line in the league, worst running game, worst receivers with separation, no TE production. It was a hell hole.
What Tua said is exactly right. Some lead through positive spirits and others rip and tear. Different people different understandings, we can only serve 1
The problem with the way that Simms tries to rationalize this is that sure, a lot of coaches will chew you up constantly, but they are genuinely trying to get the best out of you. Flores was not trying to get the best out of Tua, he looked at Tua, didn't liked him and did everything in his hand to run him out of town. At that point yeah, it's a business and the coach feeling like that player is not conductive to success is nothing new, but then the player is more than justified in thinking he was being flatout sabotaged or bullied.
There is a difference between hard motivator to the players and not being professional as a business prospective. Flores had issues with the GM and the owner, too. Had no care for the offense. No offensive line. No wide receiver. QB Herbert or QB Love got lucky they didn't have to go thru what Tua did.
@w00deey12 Brian flores is an amazing defensive coach/coordinator. He still is with the vikings. Dolphins saw that. What ended his head coaching career early was that he had issues with the GM, the owner, and running an offense. A mistake the dolphins did. They realized it. Now we have Mcdaniel
Herbert might have done better in the Dolphins under Flores, simply because his size and athleticism will let him force plays. But I think it would have played out the same, where by this point Flores gets fired and Herbert gets traded to be some other rookie QB's backup. Tyreek and Armstead wouldn't be there, and they probably wouldn't have drafted Waddle. They probably wouldn't have gotten Deshaun at that point, but might have gotten Brady and Sean Payton if Ross didn't get caught tampering.
@Fletchman1313 if you would put Justin Herbert or jordan Love in the offense, tua had his first two years. The rank last offensive line and the rank last separation and yac wide receivers. They wouldn't have been as successful as they are now. Also, can't forget that Brian Flores didn't make many mid game changes for offense. He relied on his defense. No offense can be successful been run like that. Look at offense stats under Brian Flores. Dead last in the majority of them.
@w00deey12 Brian flores issues was with the whole organization. Flores want to run the dolphins how Bill Belichick did. To be the head coach and GM. Dolphins didn't accept that. He didn't communicate with offices ppl or players.
@@miguelmightydolphinsfan8232 What I'm saying is that Herbert might have looked better, because with his size and athleticism, he would probably make a few more plays with that shitty O-line. So Flores might not have gotten fired as quickly, and everything would have played out differently, but probably not better than what the Fins have now with Tua and McDaniels.
Brian Flores was a garbage leader of men for the Dolphins. He didn't act like a good head coach, which is why the team struggled. Also, not supporting Tua at all on offense was an indictment of how he led the team - it was painfully obvious to anyone watching that the Dolphins needed help on offense that Flores would not give.
Tua is just soft man. Plain and simple. I don’t believe for a minute that Saban never berated him for messing up in practice, on the sidelines, or in the meeting rooms. Tua is a slightly above average quarterback and nothing special. Miami won’t even get close to winning a title with him. Watch and see. People aren’t going to stroke your ego and make you feel comfortable all the time. Especially in football. Even as a high school player, it’s not all sunshine and roses between player and coach. Tua is just soft. If you don’t like a guy, and think he’s an a-hole just say it Tua. Dancing around his true feelings like a punk.
@@w00deey12 how people interact and the feelings they give to each are just that. Each person has their own idea of how it went down. That's not something that can be put into fact's
Chris never had a coach tell him he’s good because Chris has always been a liability riding the coattails of his father. I remember being excited when Chris got to Miami and then the train wreck that followed.
You’re just saying that cause you don’t like him, ok it didn’t work out but truly how many players careers do anyways? Doesn’t make their opinions any less if anything it makes them more credible than yours or mine. Also why don’t you use that excuse with the other dozens of players who are second or third generation?
TUA, IS SOFT A.F. HIS RECORD IS THE SAME OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WITH FLORES OVER MCDANIELS. AND IS SOFT HE BRINGS IT UP AFTER 3/YRS. DANIELS GOT HIM HIS MONEY. WATCH WHAT HAPPENS THIS YEAR... IF THINGS GO BAD!
In high stakes professions (admittedly not football, but that's the way it works) such as medicine, the military, etc. yelling at your residents, your nurses, your cadets, your subordinates IS NOT A MISTAKE. The way Flores, Parcels, Saban, Belichick treat their players is not a mistake. The unfortunate truth is IT WORKS. Harsh treatment has been the backbone of effective military training for the entirety of human history, and I am sorry, but the NFL has always replicated this model.
Tua is a hard hard worker, a different level of hard worker. What Tua insinuated was he didn’t work hard for Flores because Flores was a piece of shit so he didn’t want to be around the facility. He’d go play golf instead (like what he did the morning before that Thursday night Ravens game when Flores made him the “backup”)
@@Stevandoren1003 bro it’s a white wash by the NFL. Flores got fired for not being excepting brides for losses in the amount of 250k per loss. It IS an OPEN case.. think about it
@@DaChamps15 I wish you guys would stop saying this, Flores DID NOT want Herbert. Flores didn’t want a QB with that top 5 pick he wanted an OL man. He wanted to take a flyer on Jordan Love with the 18th pick but not like he wanted Jordan necessarily. He didn’t think a QB was necessary.
You two desperately need to stop promoting the "toxic masculinity" approach to football coaching. Especially if you want to keep saying you two are "pro player." Yelling and cussing people out is totally inappropriate. There's a way to coach someone hard without telling someone they suck, they don't belong here, etc.
Love when stuff like this comes out about a coach we wondered why didn’t get another shot at head coach… guy is probably an absolute asshole nothing too deep about it
You guys are barely scratching the surface. Tua is not the only guy on the team and in the building that have criticism of Flores. Austin Jackson and Jalen Phillips both had confidence problems while Flores was there. Josh Boyer the Dolphins defensive coordinator had problems with flores. Chris Grier the Dolphins GM had issues with Brian Flores when he went behind Grier’s back and tried to make a trade for Deshawn Watson. Stop making this a Tua vs Flores issue. Brian Flores was fired for cause. Because of his actions not just with Tua but with many individuals at every level in the Dolphins organization.
Tua was at Bama with Nick Saban. Was coach Saban easy? Of course not. I've seen many clips of him screaming at Tua in games & practice. So he was used to it. But for some reason he didn't like Flores . The winning % is the same under both coaches. And remember they don't have the sill players they have now.
@@parrott113I mean his record is 32-19 as a starter in the NFL. He has a better record than Herbert and Burrow with less offensive talent around him for his first two years
No, I think it was Ryan Fitzpatrick whom Flores was referencing not Watson. Flores didn't like the team moving the bye week and then forcing Tua into the lineup earlier than what was expected. This isn't about Watson, it's about Fitzpatrick
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but Flores was not just a coworker. He was over Tua's direct supervisor. Every company I'm aware of has rules and policies in place about how the people overseen are treated. And, oh yeah, said company FIRED him for it.
@@skevincampbellcan you buy stock in the Dolphins? No. It’s not a company. We have Tony Romo telling the story of how Parcells and Jerry Jones doing much worse to him and he thought it was a badge of honor to have made it through. That’s how men think. I can conquer anything. Not , oh the coach doesn’t like me
lol all the coddling Tua gets now and yet nothings changed in Miami. 😂 Yall paid $50mil to a Qb who can’t play in cold weather and needs to be told he’s great all the time. 😂 Don’t even dream about going to the Super Bowl, all the good afc teams all play outdoors in the cold. But hey at least your QB gets to hear about how great he is every day. 😂
Tua is soft. He’s been padded his whole sports career. McDaniel has created a cocoon for Tua and how’s that working for Miami? Results speak for themselves
Tua has every right to speak on this. He can feel a certain type of way. He’s played a lot of football and knows what a good leader looks like and what a bad leader looks like. I’ll take his word for it
Most everyone was coached hard it’s football most coaches aren’t going to be your friend, also i hate the low hanging fruit about his playing days cause it’s not like he’s an outlier and it doesn’t make his views or opinions any less, if anything it should give him more credibility.
Tua dad used to beat him physically after games as a kid if he was not pleased by his performance. He played for Nick Sabin one of hardest coaches in history. He suffers same injury Bo Jackson has that ended Bo’s career. …Tua is a mentally tough individual, Brain Flores was so bad his coaching was the most trauma Tua experienced
How is it crossing the line for tua to say flores is a terrible person if he actually thinks he is a terrible person and gives valid reasons as to why he thinks that? Dont try to make tua the bad guy for answering a question he was asked honestly
Everyone talking about Saban coaching him hard, im not so sure. Tua was the first player I witnessed Saban go soft on. He wouldn't berate Tua like the other players on the roster.
There are great coaches that tore into guys and all the guy knows after Is “be better get better, hate him, hate this, TAKE THAT” Everyone gets coached different
I think everyone has had bosses they didn’t like and bought down their mood but after two years being removed have I never once thought about them. Tua must be still bothering to bring up Flores😂
As a leader you have to know how to inspire your guys. And everyone is different, some need a kick in the ass, others need some love. You need to get over not having Herbert, Tua isn’t top 5 but he’s clearly a franchise qb. Get tf over it
Flores is a DC. He's not head coach material IMO. Dude was awful with the media and player politics that an HC needs to have a better grip on instead of trying to tough guy every single aspect of the game. Even as a DC, I'd make sure to stay on top of the dude and make sure some mutiny doesn't buiid. Looks like the kind to snake his way into interim HC jobs because he shapes up the defense, but the offense remains a dumpster fire.
There are two sides to each story. People forgot that the Dolphins were a dumpster fire when Flores took over. The team was rebuilding and traded away a lot of its players for draft picks. Also the owner was working a side deal to bring Sean Payton and Tom Brady that the league stopped. Also, when he was fired he turned the losing culture around and the team was winning.
So basically Tua is too soft to win. That loss at Arrowhead last season was one of the softest losses I have ever seen. They all looked like deers in a Lion's cage
Tua doesn't say that Flores is a "terrible person", even Simms acknowledges he didn't and yet Florio insists that he called him a terrible person, so veheemently that Simms immediately changes his stance... Florio can't really stop hating on Tua and Miami, so much so that it's even funny!! And the comparison to "The Bear"? Pure gold ... not !!!
What Flores did is NORMAL in coaching. However, his mistake was not understanding the player and knowing Tua's motivation style. He can't coach every player the same.
Simms’ perspective is rooted in his own coaching. He kept talking about “crossing the line” but coaches in his day ERASED the damn line! It’s okay to say a coach isn’t good and can be a terrible person in THAT MOMENT - it had NOTHING to do with him as a man. Chris was reaching big time.
“he wanted a rapist instead of me” is all that needs to be said. Imagine if your bosses made that open declaration that they’d rather have a rapist instead of you, a non-rapist
Flores spent the majority of his professional coaching career w/ Bill Bellicheck. Bill's method was my way or the highway. Unfortunately, Flores took that same attitude to the Dolphins. He tried to motivate Tua by being harsh instead of realizing he was a young guy who needed development. Every week, the reporters would ask Flores if the dolphins were going to hire Deshaun Watson, but Flores didn't say no! This created a moral problem with Tua and the rest of the Team and had fans wondering why would the dolphins bring Deshaun Watson to MIAMI considering all the trouble he was getting into in Texas?? Also, Flores changed staff almost every season. Flores's problem was he didn't know how to be a LEADER and therefore, could never get the best from his players and staff.
Tua is mentally soft. Flores is an old school coach, like Belichick. Remember Flores coached under Belichick, who coached under Parcells. The only player Parcells never cussed out was LT.
@@parrott113 You're saying exactly what you really are,,, the kind of people who don't want others to be smiled and happy as they progressed in life. You cannot find racism in my blood as a Samoan buddy ✌️✌️🇼🇸🇦🇸
Happens all the time. Currently happening on multiple teams. Aaron got replaced by Jordan. Falcons drafted a QB top of the draft before Cousin's contract ink was dry. Tua's a little sensitive.
Since Brian Flores came out and admitted he didn't handle the situation well, it's apparent Tua has a legit complaint. And it was very mature of Flores to acknowledge he made mistakes that he intends to learn from. I hope those two meet in the off season, sit down over a beverage and end up respecting one another. Besides, we all know there's two sides to every story and then there's the truth: they both could have handled their time together in Miami differently and I'm sure they both learned things from it.
Saban coaches hard. Flores was just an asshole. There’s a massive difference.
I don’t think Tua is against hard coaching. He had a good relationship with Saban.
How do you know saban was hard on him?
🙄@@legend1849
@@legend1849he's talked about times when Saban got especially mad at him
@@legend1849because I was there.
@@legend1849are you new to football? How is this a real question ? 😂 forget Saban. I am willing to bet that not Saban, Flores nor any other coach that Tua has played for coached him HARDER than his own father 😂 how do we know!? WE WATCH FOOTBALL THATS how we know
Chris Simms acting like Tua can't take hard coaching... he literally played for Nick Saban lol
🎯
The owner was trying to pay Flores to lose. Why isn’t that apart of any context?
@@SteppingRazorDel Two things can be true.
Nick Saban had balance he didn’t alienate young men. Belichick did not have normal behavior, he produced deviant clones. It’s no wonder that in 2020s this behavior is seen less and less.
@@SteppingRazorDel that was before Tua and everyone knew the Dolphins were tanking that year
Simms thinks flores was trying to motivate tua in a "hard" way... he wasn't trying to motivate him, he was trying to get him to quit.
…which is something a terrible person would probably do, yes
The owner was trying to pay Flores to lose. Why isn’t that apart of any context? Talk about quitting.. is quitting the ultimate loss??.. talk about that
@@SteppingRazorDel … there’s a difference between tanking (which MANY teams have done “suck for luck” for example) and outright sabotage ... and the “tank for Tua” was obviously before he was drafted so it’s unrelated to how he coached Tua once he arrived … which is the debate here.
Simms was coached by Jon gurden who was notorious for shittt talking
@@BI-sd3swJon gurden was a tough head coach lol just watch the film from when Jon coached the buccaneers during when Simms played
Saban is a hard ass everyone knows that … the context is what matters … what’s the person’s intent. Saban is trying to motivate Flo’s just bitter and breaking him down because he didn’t want him there. It’s that easy. It’s not “hard to imagine” btw … many MANY players have gone on record to say Flo crossed the line with all of them.
Saban was indeed a Hard ass, but he also was a players coach. Granted it’s a unique combination of qualities that’s what makes coaches like Saban so great. Very few coaches can achieve that balance.
Tua played under Saban and got regular beatings by his dad for throwing interceptions. Flores tried to make him quit so he could get the guy with over 20 sexual assault allegations.
Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind always. Robin Williams.
The owner was trying to pay Flores to lose. Why isn’t that apart of any context? Is that kind?
Whatever shakespeare
Yeah Robin Williams, be kind to everyone!
@@SteppingRazorDelStop spamming with your lane comment. Dude sucks as a coach
@@SteppingRazorDel Flores, kindly refused the offer.
So, Flores can say Tua is a terrible person, but Tua cant speak badly about Flores ?
When did he say this publicly?
Exactly 💯. Coaches abuse people and players can't tell the truth? Give me a break. Flores did those things to Tua and much more. And yes only terrible people do those things
@@almamia229 so when did Flores say this publicly?
@@zo7096 Flores is no longer Tua's coach. Tua isnt sworn to silence over any of this. You run your mouth about people with a bigger public persona, this is going to happen. Flores is 24-25 as a HC, never made the playoffs, who the hell is he to criticize like that? These arent little leaguers that Flores can trash without repercussions. Based on what Tua is saying, Flores stepped WAAAAY over the line. Since when is it ok to tell grown men they suck just because it's not public? Tua led the league in passing yards last season, what has Flores done without Belichick and Brady? Nothing. If anyone should be called out that he doesnt belong here, it should be Flores. Screw that guy.
Guarantee you Gruden didnt go personal like Flor
Watch the interview again. He didn't. He was saying the difference between good and terrible. That's what the News media does, created drama, because it sells
Simms acting like it worked out with Gruden 🤣
Right? He failed… maybe it’s cuz of the coaching… but likelier cuz he was just mid
@@UnitedStatesOfBrowncoaching ?
Gruden was a great coach
Simms tryna spin this into Tua not being tough (comming back after DISLOCATED HIP and life threatening Concussions) and, someone thats soft or cant be coached hard (his dad was very hard on him and he came up under saban which he is still very close with) Nice try tho
What do you mean he literally says that Flores saying he sucks and doesn’t belong there crosses a line, watch the video bro 😭
@@shadowxps 🤣 you tried lil bro
A coach's job is to motivate players to get the most out of themselves. Not all players will respond the same, but your job as a coach is to know what makes that player tick.
Your job as head coach is to do what the owner wants
@@w00deey12 Then why does the owner need you? Why not coach himself and save the money?
Or anyone to imply that Tua cannot take hard coaching is ludicrous. He played for Nick Saban. Enough said.
Tua didn't know the playbook, hardly putting himself in any position to hit back
Flores didnt want Tua. He wanted Herbert or Deshawn Watson. Moving forward Tua needs to win big games against top opponents. Win playoff games maybe, but the bottom line is win. I see mediocrity at best.
There's difference in being coached hard and being told you're worthless.
@@JamesSamuel-x4s you are soft.
@@w00deey12 no just wise
@@JamesSamuel-x4s oh , I’m supposed to be a man yet words make me not be able to do my job. 😂😂😂😂
@@w00deey12 words seem to certainly be working now
@@JamesSamuel-x4s every talking head on television said the same thing about Tua when they limped into the playoffs last season....
Don’t really blame Tua for feeling the way he does about Flores. Let’s be real, Flores tried to sabotage Tua’s career the way Jeff Fisher did Vince Young’s.
Mike McDaniels words might have made Tua feel better but its his elite playcalling thats keeping him on the league
He a poor mans Garrapolo
A bad backup. Never goes through any reads. All scheme.
McDaniel is the star. 2nd best coach ever after GOAT REID
Simms just hates Tua. He always finds a way to spin all negativity on Tua, and he always puts blame on Tua!!
He is mostly what’s holding the dolphins back, I’m sure they’ll win at least one playoff game if it’s at home or in a favorable environment but when it comes down to it won’t be because of him but in spite of him.
True chanpions, true competitors, strive to prove a coach wrong in this situation. It motivates them. Soft fellas like Tua need constant praise, adoration, and all the weapons in the world around them to be elevated. Thats why Tua will forever be a mid tier QB. This is why Tua falls apart down the stretch, when football gets tough. This is why Tua will never win a championship.
Tua (and his Mom and Dad) described his Dad beating him with a belt when , as a teenage athlete, Tua had a bad game / threw an INT in an ESPN interview (College GameDay with Tom Rinaldi 2018). So maybe Tua was done with abuse in general?
Damn that’s horrific.
The lazy narrative that Tua didn’t work hard is frustrating to hear. Tua didn’t say he didn’t work hard, he said he didn’t have the opportunity to learn in the way that was best for him. He said the way he learns best is through physical reps and repetition, which he couldn’t do after his injury during a shortened Covid off-season and training camp. Everything we know about Tua, from high school, college, and now professionally is that he is constantly putting in the work to get better in general and focus on fixing things and improving in ways that he knows, he needs to get better at.
Flores is a bad coach. What a jerk.
Well, Flores came out today and admitted he should have handled things differently. He admitted mistakes and wants to learn from it. He probably was a jerk in Miami, but he's not a bad coach.
When I heard he said that I honestly didn’t think much of it just cause I know coaches can be a-holes 😂
It’s pretty clear Tua reserved a lot of what was potentially said by Flores. Also, it seems Simms is quite biased. Just my takes.
He's been hating on tua his entire NFL career dude is a clown
Tus has limitations on his playing style that’s what Chris points out and it’s true
The Brian Flores lawsuit is a joke. He was terrible and deserved to be fired.
terrible he gave us 2 winning seasons for first time in 20 years. However, He had no clue how to run an Offense or a team hints, why he had 3 coordinators in as many seasons. He was a terrible teacher IF he ever gets a HC job again, I would be Shocked unless he comes out and publicly says I fucked up I was this and that and I am dropping lawsuit he will never be HC again!
He was told to tank and offered money. He also apologised today
@@chriswolff7568 that's fair.
@@michaelehlert9 did he tank?
As a Miami Dolphin fan, Brian Flores was a cancer. It's been nothing but fun times since he left. We haven't won at any level yet, but we're not mediocre and we're having fun. All that we have wanted as a fanbase for the last 30 years.
And no post season wins. Enjoy your regular season fun
@@hassensaleh2323 … don’t be a Richard … everyone enjoys when their team is electric … even during the Brady years when no one was winning the SB but the Pats. Hell there are still a lot of franchises with 0-Lombardi’s.
@@hassensaleh2323 Okay...want to know what we were before?
Basically 8-8 every year, with no middle of the pack drafts, Ryan Tannehill as a starter and Brian Hartline as my starting receiver.
But apparently you don't believe in levels to shit lol
"We haven't won at any level yet, but we're not mediocre"... Sounds pretty mediocre to me.
@@tkuebler9561 The product on the field is exciting. You're trying to argue that a team can't be boring to watch, trust me, I watched them. This is much better.
The world has changed, Flores behavior is unacceptable.
Yup tell that to winning teams. My team is so soft compared to the tough teams
Yeah last time a checked belichick has 6 rings lol
Tua is a soft dude…….nothing wrong with that…….some players can’t handle getting chewed out…….you think brady enjoyed getting reamed all the time……..7 rings………how about Bradshaw and noll…….4 rings how many soft lovey coaches have rings………Vermeil has one after 50 years of coaching…….Pete Carrol has 1………and that’s the list
I'm not even sure if Parcells or Lombardi would have done this.
I was stunned! But it makes totally sense!!! Tua is one of nicest players in the NFL!!! I believe it!!!
Flores was upset and sued about not getting an HC job - he was a jerk as a HC, uncollaborative, and disliked by most who worked with him. And now this. I would never give a thought to hiring him
And turned around the Vikes defense in one year with the same guys that been there. The dude is a great coach. He’s old school and these millionaire athletes are entitled. Mfs just being soft
@@DWoodsIINo, he’s a great DC, every Dolphin fan would take him back as a DC, we loved his defense but he’s a terrible head coach. We’ve always said that. The offense under Flores was so pedestrian that the running game was basically Tua throwing 5 yard passes to Waddle just so the ball would move to give the defense a rest. Worst O-Line in the league, worst running game, worst receivers with separation, no TE production. It was a hell hole.
Sounds like Josh McDaniels time with the Raiders. People felt the same about him.
Well luckily you'll never even own a Mickey D's, let alone a team
You know you’re having a pointless discussion when you’re being attacked instead of your arguments
What Tua said is exactly right.
Some lead through positive spirits and others rip and tear. Different people different understandings, we can only serve 1
The problem with the way that Simms tries to rationalize this is that sure, a lot of coaches will chew you up constantly, but they are genuinely trying to get the best out of you. Flores was not trying to get the best out of Tua, he looked at Tua, didn't liked him and did everything in his hand to run him out of town.
At that point yeah, it's a business and the coach feeling like that player is not conductive to success is nothing new, but then the player is more than justified in thinking he was being flatout sabotaged or bullied.
There is a difference between hard motivator to the players and not being professional as a business prospective. Flores had issues with the GM and the owner, too. Had no care for the offense. No offensive line. No wide receiver. QB Herbert or QB Love got lucky they didn't have to go thru what Tua did.
@w00deey12 Brian flores is an amazing defensive coach/coordinator. He still is with the vikings. Dolphins saw that. What ended his head coaching career early was that he had issues with the GM, the owner, and running an offense. A mistake the dolphins did. They realized it. Now we have Mcdaniel
Herbert might have done better in the Dolphins under Flores, simply because his size and athleticism will let him force plays. But I think it would have played out the same, where by this point Flores gets fired and Herbert gets traded to be some other rookie QB's backup. Tyreek and Armstead wouldn't be there, and they probably wouldn't have drafted Waddle. They probably wouldn't have gotten Deshaun at that point, but might have gotten Brady and Sean Payton if Ross didn't get caught tampering.
@Fletchman1313 if you would put Justin Herbert or jordan Love in the offense, tua had his first two years. The rank last offensive line and the rank last separation and yac wide receivers. They wouldn't have been as successful as they are now. Also, can't forget that Brian Flores didn't make many mid game changes for offense. He relied on his defense. No offense can be successful been run like that. Look at offense stats under Brian Flores. Dead last in the majority of them.
@w00deey12 Brian flores issues was with the whole organization. Flores want to run the dolphins how Bill Belichick did. To be the head coach and GM. Dolphins didn't accept that. He didn't communicate with offices ppl or players.
@@miguelmightydolphinsfan8232 What I'm saying is that Herbert might have looked better, because with his size and athleticism, he would probably make a few more plays with that shitty O-line. So Flores might not have gotten fired as quickly, and everything would have played out differently, but probably not better than what the Fins have now with Tua and McDaniels.
It wasn't just Tua, other players and coaches didn't like Flores. When a coach tries to break you just to get Watson, that's wrong and bs
Brian Flores was a garbage leader of men for the Dolphins. He didn't act like a good head coach, which is why the team struggled. Also, not supporting Tua at all on offense was an indictment of how he led the team - it was painfully obvious to anyone watching that the Dolphins needed help on offense that Flores would not give.
Tua is just soft man. Plain and simple. I don’t believe for a minute that Saban never berated him for messing up in practice, on the sidelines, or in the meeting rooms. Tua is a slightly above average quarterback and nothing special. Miami won’t even get close to winning a title with him. Watch and see.
People aren’t going to stroke your ego and make you feel comfortable all the time. Especially in football. Even as a high school player, it’s not all sunshine and roses between player and coach. Tua is just soft. If you don’t like a guy, and think he’s an a-hole just say it Tua. Dancing around his true feelings like a punk.
@@TheOtherMJ_76 Man up Tua lol.
Even the great Tom Brady was tired of Bill Bilichick's way of coaching.
Difference: Tom Brady won championships and still couldn't get that respect.
Yeah, 20 years, 6 Super Bowls, MVPs.... Just stop!!
Can't day Tua is wrong. That's how he felt and feels still I appreciate that
Feelings are not facts
@@w00deey12 that's how he feels about the situation. Facts don't exist in this circumstance
@@allensaunders449 at work, facts always exist
@@w00deey12 how people interact and the feelings they give to each are just that. Each person has their own idea of how it went down. That's not something that can be put into fact's
@@allensaunders449 sure it can. You have a job to do. Do it no matter how you feel
Chris never had a coach tell him he’s good because Chris has always been a liability riding the coattails of his father. I remember being excited when Chris got to Miami and then the train wreck that followed.
You’re just saying that cause you don’t like him, ok it didn’t work out but truly how many players careers do anyways? Doesn’t make their opinions any less if anything it makes them more credible than yours or mine. Also why don’t you use that excuse with the other dozens of players who are second or third generation?
TUA, IS SOFT A.F. HIS RECORD IS THE SAME OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WITH FLORES OVER MCDANIELS. AND IS SOFT HE BRINGS IT UP AFTER 3/YRS. DANIELS GOT HIM HIS MONEY. WATCH WHAT HAPPENS THIS YEAR... IF THINGS GO BAD!
Nick Saban came from the Parcells tree, apparently they coach tough at Alabama, but they don't beat their players down.
In high stakes professions (admittedly not football, but that's the way it works) such as medicine, the military, etc. yelling at your residents, your nurses, your cadets, your subordinates IS NOT A MISTAKE. The way Flores, Parcels, Saban, Belichick treat their players is not a mistake. The unfortunate truth is IT WORKS. Harsh treatment has been the backbone of effective military training for the entirety of human history, and I am sorry, but the NFL has always replicated this model.
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So wait he wasn’t fired over race? Shocking
No one is ever fired over race. That's never happened.
Tua is a hard hard worker, a different level of hard worker. What Tua insinuated was he didn’t work hard for Flores because Flores was a piece of shit so he didn’t want to be around the facility. He’d go play golf instead (like what he did the morning before that Thursday night Ravens game when Flores made him the “backup”)
The owner was trying to pay Flores to lose. Why isn’t that apart of any context?
Flores got kicked to the curb because he isn’t a good head coach.
@@SteppingRazorDel … dude stop parroting the same BS everywhere … the “paying to lose” was before Tua was drafted.
@@Stevandoren1003 bro it’s a white wash by the NFL. Flores got fired for not being excepting brides for losses in the amount of 250k per loss. It IS an OPEN case.. think about it
lol he still playing golf
This is simple, Flores wanted Herbert and the owner overruled him and they drafted Tua.
He didnt want Herbert. He wanted Jordan Love baaaaaaad. Feel free to google it.
@@DaChamps15 I wish you guys would stop saying this, Flores DID NOT want Herbert. Flores didn’t want a QB with that top 5 pick he wanted an OL man. He wanted to take a flyer on Jordan Love with the 18th pick but not like he wanted Jordan necessarily. He didn’t think a QB was necessary.
He wanted Jordan Love
stop spreading lies online... but If that was the case why did he treat Austin Jackson and other young players the same way?
@@theliverpoolking2259 everything I’ve heard points to him wanting Herbert. Even if you’re right, my point still stands, he never wanted Tua.
You two desperately need to stop promoting the "toxic masculinity" approach to football coaching. Especially if you want to keep saying you two are "pro player." Yelling and cussing people out is totally inappropriate. There's a way to coach someone hard without telling someone they suck, they don't belong here, etc.
Flores coaching style can be cold sometimes
Annnddd we all know how well he handles the cold
Love when stuff like this comes out about a coach we wondered why didn’t get another shot at head coach… guy is probably an absolute asshole nothing too deep about it
Only a very specific percentage of quarterbacks in the league would be allowed to say something like this publicly about a coach like Brian Flores.
You guys are barely scratching the surface. Tua is not the only guy on the team and in the building that have criticism of Flores. Austin Jackson and Jalen Phillips both had confidence problems while Flores was there. Josh Boyer the Dolphins defensive coordinator had problems with flores. Chris Grier the Dolphins GM had issues with Brian Flores when he went behind Grier’s back and tried to make a trade for Deshawn Watson. Stop making this a Tua vs Flores issue. Brian Flores was fired for cause. Because of his actions not just with Tua but with many individuals at every level in the Dolphins organization.
Tua was whipped by his dad for mistakes and played under Nick Saban. Whatever the issue is here, you can't accuse Tua of being "soft."
Tua was at Bama with Nick Saban. Was coach Saban easy? Of course not. I've seen many clips of him screaming at Tua in games & practice. So he was used to it. But for some reason he didn't like Flores . The winning % is the same under both coaches. And remember they don't have the sill players they have now.
Difference Tua went into an established winning culture with superstars around him. He still can't win with what's around him.. this isn't college
@@parrott113I mean his record is 32-19 as a starter in the NFL. He has a better record than Herbert and Burrow with less offensive talent around him for his first two years
No, I think it was Ryan Fitzpatrick whom Flores was referencing not Watson. Flores didn't like the team moving the bye week and then forcing Tua into the lineup earlier than what was expected.
This isn't about Watson, it's about Fitzpatrick
Everyone in Miami knew Flores was a jerk and a tyrant, nobody wanted him as a coach
I'm willing to bet that Tua isn't the only person who thinks Brian Flores is a terrible person.
A child calls a coworker a terrible person because they don’t understand the difference between professional and personal relationships
@@w00deey12well, there were a lot of children on that roster then. There have been several guys who spoke out about it, including one Kyle Van Noy.
@@HawgWyldFishing what did Van Noy say when he played for Flores in New England?
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but Flores was not just a coworker. He was over Tua's direct supervisor. Every company I'm aware of has rules and policies in place about how the people overseen are treated. And, oh yeah, said company FIRED him for it.
@@skevincampbellcan you buy stock in the Dolphins? No. It’s not a company. We have Tony Romo telling the story of how Parcells and Jerry Jones doing much worse to him and he thought it was a badge of honor to have made it through. That’s how men think. I can conquer anything. Not , oh the coach doesn’t like me
lol all the coddling Tua gets now and yet nothings changed in Miami. 😂 Yall paid $50mil to a Qb who can’t play in cold weather and needs to be told he’s great all the time. 😂 Don’t even dream about going to the Super Bowl, all the good afc teams all play outdoors in the cold. But hey at least your QB gets to hear about how great he is every day. 😂
Tua is mid at best. Brock Purdy and Garropolo are better.
I wish Flores was still my coach. 🐬
Ruling with an iron fist and riding the coattails of one of the greatest coahes got Flo fired. Some people are not meant to be leaders of men.
Patricia seemed somewhat similar
Every where Flores goes his defense improves.
The owner was trying to pay Flores to lose. Why isn’t that apart of any context?
Tua was coming off a life altering hip injury and flores was telling him daily he sucks.
He still can't beat good teams with all of these weapons
@parrott113 all those weapons we were injured come those big games. It was hill who was stripped for a TD against the chiefs not TUA.
Tua is soft. He’s been padded his whole sports career. McDaniel has created a cocoon for Tua and how’s that working for Miami? Results speak for themselves
4:05 Well at least now we know why Simms was a terrible QB.
I believe most people think Tua is what's holding the Dolphins back to a degree.
Tua has every right to speak on this. He can feel a certain type of way. He’s played a lot of football and knows what a good leader looks like and what a bad leader looks like. I’ll take his word for it
Wait so Simms was coached hard and used it as motivation to be good? Loooooool so why did he suck.
Most everyone was coached hard it’s football most coaches aren’t going to be your friend, also i hate the low hanging fruit about his playing days cause it’s not like he’s an outlier and it doesn’t make his views or opinions any less, if anything it should give him more credibility.
@@ronaldcubias8768if he's going to say Tua might be too soft, why can't people critique his career and say he sucked? Fair game
Tua dad used to beat him physically after games as a kid if he was not pleased by his performance. He played for Nick Sabin one of hardest coaches in history. He suffers same injury Bo Jackson has that ended Bo’s career. …Tua is a mentally tough individual, Brain Flores was so bad his coaching was the most trauma Tua experienced
How is it crossing the line for tua to say flores is a terrible person if he actually thinks he is a terrible person and gives valid reasons as to why he thinks that? Dont try to make tua the bad guy for answering a question he was asked honestly
Coach Flo is Loved & Respected by his players and fans in Minnesota... THAT'S All That Matters ‼️‼️ SKOL
This is great for the vikings. The longer he has to stay in MN as a coordinator, the better. The man can coach defense
These 2 pinheads were two of the biggest Tua haters during the Flores years
He didnt criticize his coaching style…
right!! Flo is a good defensive coach but was horrible for the fins on offense and an asshole to them
These two goofs aren't Tua fans at all. So this disingenuous title was to be expected to spin the narrative.
You do understand coaching style is how you interact with players right.........
Everyone talking about Saban coaching him hard, im not so sure. Tua was the first player I witnessed Saban go soft on. He wouldn't berate Tua like the other players on the roster.
theres a diff between being coached hard and just being an asshole. seems like flores was the latter.
Same with just about every Belichick disciple. Only works if you have Tom Brady.
There are great coaches that tore into guys and all the guy knows after Is “be better get better, hate him, hate this, TAKE THAT”
Everyone gets coached different
we knew tua had a bad work ethic before this. this confirms it even more.
Tua's win % was higher with Flores than McDaniel? Hilarious. As a Ravens fan I'm so happy Tua got paid. Pay him more please.
NFL schedule makers: PLEASE schedule Miami vs. Minnesota next year !!
I think everyone has had bosses they didn’t like and bought down their mood but after two years being removed have I never once thought about them. Tua must be still bothering to bring up Flores😂
Flores didn’t want Tua to grow, he wanted Tua out. These guys have to know that.
Did Florio just use a dramatized workplace tv show to compare to Tua's work situation? Give me a break lmao
As a leader you have to know how to inspire your guys. And everyone is different, some need a kick in the ass, others need some love. You need to get over not having Herbert, Tua isn’t top 5 but he’s clearly a franchise qb. Get tf over it
Herbert ain’t top 5 either, I’m so glad Miami took Tua over that choker. Simms is just a biased hater and wrong, Flores didn’t want Herbert neither
Flores is a DC. He's not head coach material IMO. Dude was awful with the media and player politics that an HC needs to have a better grip on instead of trying to tough guy every single aspect of the game. Even as a DC, I'd make sure to stay on top of the dude and make sure some mutiny doesn't buiid. Looks like the kind to snake his way into interim HC jobs because he shapes up the defense, but the offense remains a dumpster fire.
Flo is a dawg. Puppies can’t handle being held accountable by dawgs.
A dawg doesn't use racism as an excuse for being fired!😂
Let's be honest though. Many were surprised Tua got another contract.
Difference between tough coaching and straight up hating the dude.
Thank you Flores for including LeBatards question in the clip.
There are two sides to each story. People forgot that the Dolphins were a dumpster fire when Flores took over. The team was rebuilding and traded away a lot of its players for draft picks. Also the owner was working a side deal to bring Sean Payton and Tom Brady that the league stopped. Also, when he was fired he turned the losing culture around and the team was winning.
The owner was trying to pay Flores to lose. Why isn’t that apart of any context?
So basically Tua is too soft to win. That loss at Arrowhead last season was one of the softest losses I have ever seen. They all looked like deers in a Lion's cage
Man, if Tua feels this way about Flores. I wonder how he feels about his own father.
Tua doesn't say that Flores is a "terrible person", even Simms acknowledges he didn't and yet Florio insists that he called him a terrible person, so veheemently that Simms immediately changes his stance... Florio can't really stop hating on Tua and Miami, so much so that it's even funny!! And the comparison to "The Bear"? Pure gold ... not !!!
What Flores did is NORMAL in coaching. However, his mistake was not understanding the player and knowing Tua's motivation style. He can't coach every player the same.
Simms’ perspective is rooted in his own coaching. He kept talking about “crossing the line” but coaches in his day ERASED the damn line! It’s okay to say a coach isn’t good and can be a terrible person in THAT MOMENT - it had NOTHING to do with him as a man. Chris was reaching big time.
Chris Simms gives me "back in the good old days I used to eat asbestos" vibes
“he wanted a rapist instead of me” is all that needs to be said. Imagine if your bosses made that open declaration that they’d rather have a rapist instead of you, a non-rapist
Flores spent the majority of his professional coaching career w/ Bill Bellicheck. Bill's method was my way or the highway. Unfortunately, Flores took that same attitude to the Dolphins. He tried to motivate Tua by being harsh instead of realizing he was a young guy who needed development. Every week, the reporters would ask Flores if the dolphins were going to hire Deshaun Watson, but Flores didn't say no! This created a moral problem with Tua and the rest of the Team and had fans wondering why would the dolphins bring Deshaun Watson to MIAMI considering all the trouble he was getting into in Texas?? Also, Flores changed staff almost every season. Flores's problem was he didn't know how to be a LEADER and therefore, could never get the best from his players and staff.
The fact Simms thinks Flores not even being able to enjoy Christmas with his kids makes him some great man because “it’s the way he is” is hilarious
Tua is mentally soft. Flores is an old school coach, like Belichick. Remember Flores coached under Belichick, who coached under Parcells. The only player Parcells never cussed out was LT.
Marry a borderline and she’ll talk to you like Flores.
Mike McDaniel has completely justified Brian Flores’ firing.
Simms was never a Tua fan from the beginning that had made him a yt Flores
Weak minded racist response. Explain why Tua laughs on the sidelines while losing...
@@parrott113 You're saying exactly what you really are,,, the kind of people who don't want others to be smiled and happy as they progressed in life. You cannot find racism in my blood as a Samoan buddy ✌️✌️🇼🇸🇦🇸
Chris Simms is really try to spin this on Tua like Tua crossed the line lol. What a 🤡
Coaching hard is fine but telling your QB that they want another guy to take his place is f’ed up
Happens all the time. Currently happening on multiple teams. Aaron got replaced by Jordan. Falcons drafted a QB top of the draft before Cousin's contract ink was dry. Tua's a little sensitive.
Since Brian Flores came out and admitted he didn't handle the situation well, it's apparent Tua has a legit complaint. And it was very mature of Flores to acknowledge he made mistakes that he intends to learn from. I hope those two meet in the off season, sit down over a beverage and end up respecting one another. Besides, we all know there's two sides to every story and then there's the truth: they both could have handled their time together in Miami differently and I'm sure they both learned things from it.
You guys clearly misunderstood what was going on clearly Tua haters