They also debated on whether baptism saves. Do you want a clip of that? If so, like this video and if it gets enough attention, I’ll clip the baptism portion of the full livestream! ❤
Yes please clip the baptism portion of the debate. The Abdools are already manifesting in the comments just from you mentioning that you might post the clip, so clearly it's necessary.
“‘“The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace.”’ (Numbers 6:24-26)
@FlybyFaithChurch "baptism now saves you", Holy Scripture teaches! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
✝️ Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Hallelujah. Amen.
The pastor's distinction between 'faith' as belief and 'faithfulness' as action creates an artificial divide that ignores the biblical and historical context. Scripture and tradition consistently show that true faith is inherently active, encompassing trust, obedience, and perseverance. By separating faith from action, the pastor prioritizes personal interpretation over what is actually written in Scripture and required for belief, resulting in a truncated view of living faith and abiding in Christ.
Agreed. Soon after he differentiates trusting something vs showing trust in something, he uses that “creative license” to try and set up the red herrings and straw-men then pivoting off with some weird grammar explanations. Talking fast and trying to be slick with the wordplay doesn’t make him correct.
@jasonkritz3055 We are justified By other things also. Definitely not faith alone otherwise, the book of James would say so. Our sanctification helps to justify us. The sacraments help to justify us. Our life itself helps to justify us. Never faith alone because, as scripture says even the demons have faith and They certainly aren't justified.
Fact: In order to commit a crime, you must have completed 3 steps! 1. Mind: thoughts and planning. 2. Heart: emotion and desires. 3. Will: actions and opportunities! Faith must also complete these 3 steps. Without one of these elements, it is incomplete! Love God with all your mind, heart, soul... Complete faith!
God completes our faith. Many instances in the bible where the prophets and people, despite their lack of faith and unbelief, acted because God said to and God was faithful to His word. Sam is more right than Pastor J.D.
According to man's law your three steps might be accurate. According to Jesus even a foolish thought is a sin. Getting angry with someone is compared to murder. So no, your three steps is not it.
Ok so let's work this out, my mind I'm thinking about the afterlife, my desire is to go to the good place and not the bad place in the afterlife now what is my opportunity to get what I desire in my mind? Is Jesus my opportunity to be heaven or is it the things I do here on earth that will create an opportunity?
@@DeconPleabian its one thing to think about what it means to live a good life according to God but its even more important to live out a good life that is pleasing to God. The greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart soul and mind and the second greatest commandment is to love others.
“For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.” Romans 10:10 This verse shows there is a distinction between believing, justification and being saved. With the heart, one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. Showing believing and being justified is an internal event, while confessing, and being saved is a work. How is it work you might say? Confessing that Jesus, is Lord with your mouth is a work. Yet your heart is the reason that you are justified to be saved. Faith and works💙
Believing in itself is an action. I made a comment questioning this and quoting James 2 as well speaking about actions accompanying living faith. This is an interesting topic and I would say until you have an answer do what our Lord Jesus dead. Preach the Word, help the poor, widows and orphans and heal the sick, drive out demons and bring the dead back to life whether it be spiritually or physically. Lastly, worship the Father in spirit and in truth.( Spirit and truth we could perhaps say in the Holy Spirit and in the name of our Lord Jesus.)
Yep but when you’re saved it’s not the works that saved you. Faith in the son of God who takes away the sins of the world. Faith was always the salvation because not one person has not sinned.
@@godloves9163 I think what you should clarify is that faith can also evidently be false, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is not simply just works, nor is it just a belief. Like Sam Shamoun said, faith is a lifestyle and way of living that (in your heart, deeply) glorifies Christ and puts God First. Stating that you have faith in Jesus Christ and not bearing any works assumes that you dont actually believe in Christ. If you believe that Jesus is God and what he said was true, yet you dont follow his way of living, his prayer to the father, his giving alms to the poor, or his so ever merciful forgiveness, then do you really have faith in Christ?
The danger with separating faith from your actions is that we’ll have everybody running around “believing” without anyone living in accordance with what the faith requires of us. That’s why faith and works are harmonious by nature of one’s belief. Similarly, your actions alone can’t make up your faith. For instance, if you believe in Jesus and murder someone out of blood lust in the same afternoon, how faithful to Him are you?
There is simply no people wicked people that do truly good works. Sure there are plenty who pretend to do good works but the truth always eventually comes out and they are exposed. To seperate works from faith is simply a cop out not to do them, I believe it's that simple.
@@0...00..19 My question is how much works is sufficient? A couple? A few? Several? All? What if some good works are seen but then some not so good things done by the same one whose good works are seen are hidden? Do they cancel out those seen good works? What if you do mostly good works but then some not good things? Is it a wrap for you? Must you obey perfectly or is it do the best you can? If obedience, must it be perfect? People who talk obedience are never clear about these things and I mean we gotta get it right don't we? Our salvation is on line after all.
@MN-el9kr and that's the exactly kind of thinking that is wrong and is misunderstood when it comes to sayings like "faith without works is dead". When Jesus said "you will know them by their fruits". The fruits are basically our works, anyone who claims it should be "faith only" is simply copping out because they don't want to be held accountable for their fruitless lives, why else would they want to deny that?
Jesus equates hating someone without cause to murder. Proverbs 24:9 says even the thought of foolishness is sin. James 4:17 says if you know what you ought to do and do not do it then that is sin. When confronted with the high demands of God's holiness, you cannot be honest with saying that you have "stopped sinning." In fact it says in 1 John that if you say you are without sin then you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Your actions will never measure up and you will fall into the trap of Romans 10:3 which is inventing your own form of righteousness if you lean on your works to be saved. There is faith displayed to man and there's faith displayed to God. The salvation faith requires no work as explained in Ephesians 2:8-10. You are saved for works, not by works.
The Early part of the conversation reminds me why some folks see a lot of Gnosticism in Protestant theology. The whole fear of Pelagianism, Semi-Pelagianism has made folks back away from the Covenantal and Praxis elements of faith, where Faith ends up like some kind of Gnosis we get from the Holy Spirit apart any kind of earthly working out things by living life in Communion with God.
It’s more about reaction to Catholicism, not real gnosticism. Real gnosticism is to profess that Christ’s body was “transparent”, “luminescent”, “lightweight” etc. This is an opinion of a MiaMonophysite apologist whom I debated with (he is quoting their saint)
@@orthoslavie Yes it is obviously not literal Gnosticism, because there is no Demiurge, nor is the motif escaping the yucky material world. But more in tone or phronema, like salvation is the same as gaining enlightenment.
@@raydrew201 Origen: "Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the epistle bearing the name of James" (Commentaries on John 19:6 [A.D. 226-232])
@@raydrew201 Origen "Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in Him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the epistle bearing the name of James" (Commentaries on John 19:6 [A.D. 226-232]).
@@raydrew201 “Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the epistle bearing the name of James” (Commentaries on John 19:6 [A.D. 226-232]) -Origen I hope this posts, been trying quite a while.
@@Paleoprimal It's pretty hard to do works when you are nailed to a cross. I am sure God knew his situation and saved him anyway. The real question should be after meeting Jesus what kind of life would he have lived if he had a second chance. Would he have gone back to the sinful life that put Jesus on the cross in the first place?
@@ownone7759 faith and belief are completely different. Knowing God exists and choosing to not follow him isn’t “faith in Jesus” faith is believing and willfully following
Belief is not simply knowing and our faith involves our hope that the devil does not have he has knowledge of God but has no hope of God which is an essential part of the belief that the Bible talks of
@@Psalm-lt5kl That is talking about the works of the law; the beginning of that chapter and all of chapter 3 were about how Abraham was not justified by the works of the law since the law didn't even exist... context = prot greatest enemy.
One son said "yes, lord, I'm going", but went off to have fun. The other son said "I don't wanna", but went to work in the vineyard regardless. Which one fulfilled the will of his father? God doesn't care what we think or what we say. He knows how good we are at deceiving ourselves. No, our faith and love has to manifest objectively for it to be real. If our faith is not an observable action, it doesn't exist.
You are confused. Romans 4 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
@@GiftofGrace88 Not everyone who calls to Christ "Lord, Lord!" will be saved, but those who do the will of the Father. So our colloquial understanding of faith and belief doesn't fit the biblical usage. I repeat, faith is only real when it manifests objectively. Now, our Lord warns against virtue signaling. We should not parade our works for people to see, but do them in secret where only God will know. That's the key.
@@GiftofGrace88bro go Read 1-3 and not cherry pick chapter.. From one to Three it says Your are Justified by work but not work alone and You are justified by Faith but not alone..
@@Akhgyyou’re not paying attention to the Bible this passage is based of from Genesis remember Paul is quoting Abraham this is Old testament (Gen 15) where Abraham had faith in God then God gave a promise because of his faith, Abraham’s work is recorded in Gen 18 or 21 i believe which is argued by James in his epistle earning the title “Friend of God” what did abraham do? He was to sacrifice his son (works) thats why paul said if its by grace then it is of no works if not works is no longer works (works having no definition)
Sam is so good at explaining things , it never sounds like preaching. Always more like teaching on all levels so EVERYONE can understand without the BS a lot like to spread. I never get bored listening to Sam on his channel. ALL. GLORY TO THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
Sam kept bouncing between “faith”, “believe”, and “faithfulness”. “Faithfulness” and “abiding” are somewhat synonymous in these contexts. But he kept trying to apply the definition of “faithfulness” to verses using “faith” and “believe” which isn’t the same thing.
They are just correlated. To argue unrelenting that they are different is just a waste of time. It's a waste of time arguing philosophically. These is what theologians normally do for the entire time of their lives without saving a single soul to salvation.
False. That is known as works righteousness view of salvation. Salvation in the proper sense is faith apart from works of the Law. Salvation in the wide sense is living faith bearing fruit.
Nope wrong faith plus nothing in this age of grace. And faith and works was for the jews and in the upcoming great tribulation for people but for christians today it is faith alone cause works cannot save you and is for your santification and rewards in heaven not for your salvation and people mix up these 2. and the first 4 gospels are mostly written to jews not christians and sure we can learn from it but if it contradicts Paul his teachings it is not for us.
@@shogunshogun " works righteousness " My unlearned friend, why do you use this modern wording and definitions? Find anyone who believed what YOU believe 1800-2000 years ago. Have fun with that. Instead you choose a modern doctrine during the rise of the beast system...genius...your choice.
Titus 3:5-7 "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" Who would have thought that We'd find a person like Titus in the apostles time talking about "works righteousness ". Come on my unlearned friend read the Scriptures
@@shogunshogunyes what they dont get, and it's very important point, is that our faith In Jesus is complete because the work that is attached is Jesus's life and obedience imputed unto us. We have the works, we have the perfect righteousness of God. We are the righteousness of God in Christ. We have no works of our own because His obedience has fulfilled all the work that we need, so the author and finisher of our faith has already provided the works concerning salvation by HIS very own obedience, Rom 8 Hebrews 10, Titus 3 and so on and so forth. In light of that we work by faith to love others in the love by which we have been loved and with the same grace He gave us!
This guy keeps talking past Sam's point. His many words are exhausting and he needs to slow down and think about the context of his own responses. Even his own examples are ridiculous. To use his examples, if you click on a streamyard link because you trust ( have faith) there will be your scheduled meeting, then you aren’t "just clicking a link", you wouldn't be clicking on the link in the first place if you didn't believe you had an online meeting! How exhausting! What world does this guy live in where intentions are separate from actions? Does he believe only in a mental existence? Sam has great patience listening to this guy's rapid fire autistic overthinking of things and incessant talking.
@@patriotsway7208 except Peter repented and died a Martyr (upside down cross), did he just say "I believe" then he automatically felt forgiven? No, he showed it in his action persevere and never denied Christ until the end.
@@patriotsway7208 Matter of fact he was! Thats why Jesus had him PROFESS his love for Jesus 3 times to heal the 3 times he denied him, then went on never denying him again and dying as a faithful martyr. The more you learn... all Judas had to do was not kill himself and repent and he would have been regenerated
intentions are indeed separate from actions. Just listen to Paul when he talks about how he fails to do what he ought, but does the thing he ought not. Belief and action are indeed different things. Action plays no role in salvation. Smoke plays no role in starting a fire. But it is a good indicator that a fire has previously been started. As soon as you start talking about actions saving, you are getting into works based salvation.
@ “ Action plays no role in salvation “ What an outrageous thing to say. “ Works based salvation “ This idea didn’t exist for the first 1500 years of Church History. You have a new religion, just admit it and then leave us be, you clearly don’t want the Church of God if you reject what was revealed to the Church of God 2000 years ago. Modern doctrine for the modern man, sad, i will pray for you
Sola fide or not, you know this was an INTENSE & INFORMATIVE debate! All without the shouting and name calling. Enjoy! For more info about the pastor, check out Pastor JD’s channel in the description, as well as the full 2 hour version of this clip.
Believing, abiding, whatever: Just live as the Messiah live. He manifested the Scripture in his life. Just claim the blood of the Messiah instead f bringing your own lamb(or goat) to the temple as a sin sacrifice. Just understand the Parable of the Two Debtors.
@@Carolinel673 Me? Acts 9:1-2 Acts 10:14 Acts 24:5&14 The original followers were the Jerusalem Assembly aka the Way aka the Natsarim Sect of 1st Century Judaism. They were Torah observant Jews. I seek to emulate them.
Catholics literally interpret that the Pope has the power of God. That he can somehow loose things on earth and in heaven, which is an interpretation of a false narrative. Tea pot calling the kettle black.
@@jabloneynophony1875well pastor Ricky doesn’t have the same apostolic authority handed down from Christ through Peter and the apostles to His Church. God bless you friend.
@@bigsarge05 Where in the Bible does it say Peter can hand down authority? Its nowhere. It was a made up concept during the iron age, so that wealthy, powerful and corrupt EVIL men, could justify doing all the evil things they did.
That's a characteristic of everyone, not just protestants. The question is whose interpretation is most harmonious within the context of the passage being read, the letter its contained within, and the whole of Scripture. Either 1 is right and the other is wrong or both is wrong. Everyone has to interpret what they hear/read. Even catholics have to interpret what the pope/priests say. Remember when the pope recently made comments thst seemed to teach that christ wasn't needed. Tons of catholic youtubers made videos interpreting what the pope said in order to reconcile it with catholicism
The description of this pastor about faith is the same as matin luther wherein Faith is just a mental ascent, not a faith working through love that we Catholics adhere.
Evangelicals believe the same thing. No one is suggesting that you have faith and not follow the Lord it doesn't work that way. But in order to follow the Lord and obey him you need to have faith in him first. That is probably the point of difference
Faith without works is dead because it is not real faith. All true faith bears fruit. And yet, you can do many good works in this world and not have faith at all. Faith comes first. Romans 10: 4: "For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes." You are not justified and saved by anything you do in this world.
@augustvonmacksen2526 It says dead faith, not absent of Faith. It doesn't say your faith is removed or null and void. Ephesians 2:8-9 and Roman's 4:1-6 completely dispute your false notion.
This was a remarkably good conversation and I think both presented and defended their views really well. But best of all they did it in a manner becoming of Christians. Praise God, we need more of this
@chommie5350 he was very open to discussion and I'm sure will be grappling with what Sam has told him. Just because someone doesn't agree with you straight away doesn't mean they're being intellectually dishonest
Jesus says if ur in Him (faith) don't don't produce fruit (works) u get cut off. If u get cut off then ur not saved. Faith without works is dead. John 15:2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away"
That has nothing to do with salvation. You have to separate salvation and service. Of course, you should do good works, and you should serve. But works has nothing to do with being saved. You know you have eternal life when you believe in Christ. You don't earn eternal life because it is a gift from God through faith. Jesus Christ promised us eternal life! 1 John 2 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 1 John 5 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
True faith always bears fruit. And James were talking to Jews who believed God was One, not believing Christians. You simply cannot have true faith and not bear good fruit, because: Romans 10: 4: "For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes." We see that we are not justified by anything we do, but by faith. Romans 4: 4: "Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. "
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Look at mat 21:28 about the parable of two sons, one who refused to go work but later went, and another who agreed to go work but didn't. In the story the one who went on to act was the good son since he repented through action but one who confessed to go work and didn't perform the action was condemned
Luke 7:1-10 The Faith of the Centurion. The Roman Centurion by Faith believed that Jesus only had to say the word, and not go and lay hands on his servant, that by this the Centurions servant would be healed.
The centurion had faith that Jesus didnt need to go to his house, but only say the words There's acts and works in the verse, it is not the "gotcha" that you think it is
“Saying the word” is an action. Jesus just had “to say the word” and his servant was healed. But also the centurion did an act of charity by professing his belief in Jesus in front of the crowd. He evangelized.
Sam, I am so happy to have found your channel. Keep going, Man! I am blown away by your knowledge of Scripture. And, ability to wade through all the weeds people throw out.
The not doing what he says or "the Fathers will" is to believe in his once for all, all sufficient sacrifice apart from works, not the works of youre righteousness which is by the law.
@@dedios03nobody denies that but the mere intellectual belief isn’t sufficient,it is accompanied by your actions because you just believing in what Christ did doesn’t save you,it’s believing in what he did and living your life in accordance with what he commands of you
@@dedios03you’re talking about salvation. The commenter is talking about faith. Faith that is alive does works. Faith that doesn’t do works is dead. The works don’t save and dead faith doesn’t either. The description of faith is different from the definition of salvation. If you say you believe God and follow your own thoughts, desires and, God forbid, emotions then you simply don’t believe God and are still dead in sins.
WILL OF THE FATHER John 6 37 Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me: that I should lose none of those He has given Me but should raise them up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father: that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6 28 “What can we do to perform the works of God?” they asked. 29 Jesus replied, “This is the work of God-that you believe in the One He has sent.”
@@brentstewart2150So Dead Faith doesn't save, but a Living one save right? what makes a living and a death faith differ? in their work right? so Work is a requirement for Salvation because without it, your faith is not a saving faith.
JD is a very good Christian brother, and I have debated him on the opposite side of the debate in terms of eternal conscious torment versus Annihilation many times in the past. I am an annihilationist.
James - Faith is dead without works. We are saved by his grace it is a gift and he offers it by his blood and we need to hold on to it and turn away from sin that only brings death. Predestination is a heresy and only causes more temptation and no examination of ourselves and our wretchedness
Similar to when God promised David he would be The God to his son: Solomon (Shlomo) so long as he keeps his commandments. Solomon HAD to be a believer but, without acting it out by following the commandments God had set for him - well we know the story of Solomon…
Wow that is a mouthful! Faith, Works, free will and predestination! I wish to address one major aspect. The definition of grace. First what it is not - Mercy. What it is - “The strength and desire to do Yahweh’s will”
Your right we are saved by OUR decision, God will abide his eternal plan on what I want or intend to do. It's totally a heresy cause we have the power!
What you have commented is what is a fallacy. Romans 8 :29 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Predestination is very biblical. But God in His Sovereign wisdom knew Who will choose Him and Who will reject HIM. There are 2 kinds of people who will not receive the grace of God. The proud ( James 4: 6,7)and those who hated the truth of God ( 2 Thessalonians 2:10).
We struggle sometimes minute by minute because of the “Old Nature”! Our minute by minute struggles are winnable by HIS Grace. We are saved by grace and we walk the same way by grace.
Yes, if we were to be perfect after being saved, no one would be saved since we are still in human flesh. That does not mean that we should not strive to be faithful/ perfect and that there isn't consequences for sin for a believing Christian. Maybe there is a point of no return, but who says that person had real faith to begin with? Romans 10: 4: "For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."
@@Deffine Think about what you are saying. If there is consequence for sin, then we are all in trouble since we all sin. If there is no consequence for sin if you believe, then why do we have to strive to be good? It is irrelevant if we are good or not. It might be nicer to be as good as you can but this makes no difference in the long run since we are all saved regardless assuming we believe. It simply makes no sense
@@plattrandy2715 But WHY are we saved by his grace? If it's for believing in him, then who cares if you are faithful? And if it's for being faithful, nobody is sinless so nobody gets grace since nobody is really faithful..
@@nothingbutthetruth613 Who said there is no consequence for sin? There might be a point of no return and Jesus said all sin can be forgiven, except sinning against the Holy Spirit.
comparing a “click” to a life long journey of going out every single day to travel somewhere you do not know is a weak comparison.. and is exactly why Faith is an action not a noun.. not a thing.. Faith is a transcendental. like Love is sacrifice, and hope is to choose a lifestyle based on certain objective evidences especially Jesus Christ.. Faith is an awareness of God that comes through obedience.. without that obedience you are blind and do not “abide in His words”, as it were
“Great is Thy faithfulness,” O God my Father, There is no shadow of turning with Thee; Thou changest not, Thy compassions, they fail not As Thou hast been Thou forever wilt be. “Great is Thy faithfulness!” “Great is Thy faithfulness!” Morning by morning new mercies I see; All I have needed Thy hand hath provided- “Great is Thy faithfulness,” Lord, unto me! Summer and winter, and springtime and harvest, Sun, moon and stars in their courses above, Join with all nature in manifold witness To Thy great faithfulness, mercy and love. Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth, Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide; Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow, Blessings all mine, with ten thousand beside!
If faith actually was a work done by oneself, we wouldn't have this discussion in the first place. It would just be another commandment we have to fulfill.
Even Jesus said, not all who says Lord, Lord we professed in your name, cast out demons in his name will inherit the kingdom but those who professed his name, confined in it, help those in need, wil. This tell you clears that faith is followed by work to be saved
@talofa911 This mentality of “faith alone saves” but my works are a sign I’m saved is so ridiculous. I would say by the command that God gave to His apostles that Baptism is necessary (one must be baptized as a Christian). You would disagree and say baptism is not necessary for salvation… and yet would you then say to someone who just professed Jesus as their Lord “well now you need to get baptized, it is a sign you are saved”, and if they were to rightly say “if I don’t need it why should I get baptized, I’m already saved now”, and they walk away and don’t get baptized… you would then say “well they didn’t get baptized, so they were never saved to begin with”. This sure sounds like the far simpler conclusion “Baptism is necessary for salvation according to Jesus” This mentality is so absurd because it says the same thing we do, but monkey’s with the terminology to bend into this faulty definition… then proclaims us as heretics with a straight face, and acts as if salvation is some sort of ambiguous thing of “well is he actually saved or not”, since apparently we can retroactively go back in time and judge someone’s faith as not actually faith that saves because they rejected God’s will now. Just say that you need faith AND works and be done with it, and have assurance of salvation as Jesus intends. It is made crystal clear that we are to believe in Jesus, and to follow the NEW law: the fulfillment of the OLD law. And to abide in Him by partaking of His precious Body and Blood in the sacrament of the Eucharist: in other words be a part of the Church Christ established, the Catholic Church
That is ridiculous- you dont need works to have faith, but your works prove you have faith?? Hmm- sounds like what we as Catholics say except in a twisted way and 1/2 wrong. So what you’re saying is- is that if we dont do works, then that proves we never had true faith. Which is the same. Exact. Thing. As saying that you need to have works to have true faith. Faith requires action. Protestants dont make sense.
@@jessicaaguilera4526The difference is that many (I won’t claim most) is that Protestants don’t make the claim to know one’s state of salvation by their works.
@levinagomes6939 Roman's 4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Faith. We first exercise our faith by the hearing the truth that we are sinners, and are in the need of a Savior.🙏🏼 This is all exhausting! As a believer this formal way of trying to describe faith has to be by the Spirit of Truth. Live out your faith by trusting in Christ alone.
I believe that it is faith alone, but REAL FAITH produces fruit/works. Works are the "symptom" of having true faith. Ex: If a doctor tells me that I have a disease, but I have no symptoms of the disease, then I would get a second opinion. If someone told me that I have real faith, but I have no fruit or works resulting from that faith, I might want to get a second opinion.
So what you’re saying is::::: true faith is defined by works. Sounds like what Catholics say- that you have to have works to have true faith. Just like what James 2 says- “faith without works is dead”…… ☠️
You contradicted yourself. God imputes righteousness apart from works. Romans 4 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
@@GiftofGrace88 Works are the evidence of our faith and salvation... not the cause of it. We are saved by grace through faith, and that transformation will cause us to do good works... if it does not, then there may not have been a true transformation. Works do not save us, they merely are an evidence that we have been saved. Salvation is the 'disease" and works are the symptom of having that disease. The symptoms do not cause the disease, its the disease that causes the symptoms... Works do no cause salvation, but are the result and symptom of being saved.
@@GiftofGrace88 I agree completely... Working for salvation is like faking symptoms of a cold. I can fake cough, and fake sneeze all day long, but that doesn't mean I actually have a cold. The coughing and sneezing aren't the cold, they are evidence of the infection that produces those responses. To do those things as a genuine response, I need to actually 'catch a cold'. It is the same with Faith... if I genuinely have faith, works will flow from that faith (not to save myself) but as a result of the transformation of Christ in my life that came when I put faith in Him. If I am an apple tree, I will naturally produce apples by my very nature. If I am a "Jesus Tree" I will naturally produce "the good works that he planned for me long ago" by the new nature that He is working in me.
My adorable jesus, May our feet journey together, May our hands gather in unity, May our hearts beat in unison, May souls be in harmony, May our thoughts be as one, May our ears listen to the silence together, May our glances profoundly penetrate each other, May lips pray together to gain mercy from the Eternal father Amen.
I love Sam. But I don’t think he won this one. The Bible is very clear: faith starts from nothing. Works start from faith. Faith comes first. You don’t prove your faith by works. But if your faith is genuine, the works come. Edit: I see a lot of confusion. Let me clarify. When I say “faith comes from nothing” I mean there was an absence of faith PRIOR to you coming to faith. So you don’t have faith in God, and you don’t do any works. At some point, THE HOLY SPIRIT (not you) does work in those around you and in you. You decide to change your internal heart and succumb to the will of the father (which is believing Jesus is the son of God and our salvation) and then works follow. You can’t do any works to gain salvation. Salvation is through Christ alone. Nothing you do WILL EVER measure up to what he did on the cross. Period.
“But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” James 2:18
How does faith comes from nothing? It seems your saying it just magical appeared. But my thought process is Faith is the By product of Something, you can’t have faith in something unknowingly without perceiving this thing to be truth either through your own reason, and thought process.. Which this is a work. From my read of Romans, it teaches -Your are declared Righteous by Works But you aren’t justified by those works without faith. - your declared righteous by faith, but not by faith alone. This is just reading Romans chapters 1-3 straight to understand Paul’s arguments. Paul argues we are declared righteous by law, but we are not Justified by the Works of the Law alone (as to Jews believe) We are justified by the Law and Faith.. Cause Paul say to adhere to the law.
Faith does not come from nothing, to say that is to call God nothing. In Ephesians 2:8, the gift from God is both Faith and Grace. Both are not of ourselves, but from God. If God had not made Himself known to us, we would not have the ability to come to Faith by which we obtian Grace. That's how I've understood it.
@Akhgy true, for me Faith will produce naturally works but like the thief on the cross he had no works heck he was a thief but he put his faith in Christ and the LORD promised him this very day he will be in heaven
Faith is the trust and belief in God, while faithful describes the quality of being reliable and steadfast in that trust. Together, they form a complete picture of a life dedicated to God: believing in Him (faith) and living in a way that reflects that belief (faithfulness).
Pastor JD doesn’t believe that you can believe without God causing you to believe! “Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”” John 6:29 NIV “You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.” James 2:24-26 NIV
@@songohan7331And what about the pharisees such as Nicodemus that did come to believe in Jesus? God has called every man to Himself. No man was chosen before Creation to be damned, free will exists... we're not puppets or doomed toys of a cold, cruel god.
Pastor JD is correct !! You can not believe without Yahweh changing your un regenerated heart that hates Yahweh and rebels against him. So I will use the verses you provided to refute your argument. So you need to read the Bible through context. You provided John 6:29 as proof text that you can believe without Yahweh causing your faith. Just a couple verses later in the same book of John . John 6:44 No One Can Come To Me Unless The Father Who Sent Me Draws Him. So the Greek word for draws is ( Helko ) . The strong concordance definition is ( Drags ) him. . The verse you provided refutes your own argument . John 6;29 ( The work of God ) is this : to believe in the one he has Sent. So it is God's work ( which his work is changing the un regenerated heart that hates Yahweh . To a generated heart ( being born again) that loves Yahweh and wants a personal relationship with him. So when does the work of God happen for that person to believe in the one he has Sent. John 6:37 All that the Father gives to me will come to me and the ones that come to me, I will not cast them out. This process is when the Father gives the person as a gift to the Son . These procedure is called ( being born again) . John 3 5 Yeshua says unless someone is born again of Water and Spirit they can not see the kingdom of heaven. So the Water is not speaking Water Babtism ,but Spiritual Baptism. Water represents purification it is also used in the same context in Ezekiel . I will proof text also 1 Corinthians 2 14 to prove you can not believe have saving Faith without first becoming Born Again. 1 Corinthians 2 14 the Natural Man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him, Nor Are they ( Able To Understand Them) , for they do not have Decrement ( The Holy Spirit within them. So the natural Man is the un regenerated person who is not saved ,he is not able to understand the things of Yahweh ( the mysterious of God ,the cross) for it is foolishness to him. Because he does not have Decrement the Holy Spirit within him. I encourage you to start studying the Bible through a proper hermeneutics. Here is a good Bible study channel on TH-cam channel called Smart Christians. Corey teaches bible studies through historical Contextual Hermeneutics. Corey puts the English translation side by side with the Hebrew and Greek text.
Also James 2 James does not say I will show you my Faith ( Because) of my works. James says I will show you my Faith ( By )my work. If James said ( Because )of my works . You would be correct!! But James says ( By ) my work . James is saying Faith always accompanies Works . Not Works produces Faith .
No, thats not enough. That ignores the rest of scripture. You cant just take one scripture verse and say “this explains all There is to know about this given issue. “
The problem sometimes with Sam is that he believes he is correct all the time - which blinds him to taking on board sound intellectual counter arguments.
12:21.. I spent Christmas, Three of them in a shelter, and I'm nearly sixty years old. It was the trials of the years before, that faith was given, and then grown to maturity. I can't describe the fear mongering that went on in each of those shelters, but God took my brokenness and the Faith He gave me And.. produced the impossible. Like Daniel and the lions den miracle. Narcissist have a rude awakening ahead of them.
I would hate to hear Jesus say flee from me because I never knew you because I did not live out my faith. Too many live in the world while verbally saying they believe.
@JesusIsWayTruthandLife LOL this is ironic. That verse literally has people saying "We did wonderful works in your name" and Jesus said "I never knew you." What a funny self own on your part.
Do protestants don't have the verse in James where it says faith without works is a dead faith? Or the rogue Catholic priest Luther removed it like other 8 books?
Satan believes. Does he abide in his word ? no. Belief is not sufficient. Faith is not faith until you act on it Sam should not even waste his time arguing with him.
Yeshua didn’t take on an angels body to die for their sins, He took on a mans body then offered it as a sacrifice, the fallen angels were denied redemption because they were already close to God in the spirit realm and knew the full truth but still chose to rebel. You can’t use the Devil as an example of faith + works. You’re saved by grace through faith in that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast…
@@raydrew201Yes we are saved by what Christ did for us by putting our faith in him but that faith we put in him also encompasses obedience to him and doing the works he commanded us to do,that is Faith
@@AceRamonaspot on brethren, to me Calvinist are "believers" who love their sin and use this sorry excuse to trample the blood of our Lord and Savior under foot
He really demonstrated that the other guy was wrong! What a great God we have. I'm glad we have people like him to make clear what the word is saying and not get caught up in what it clearly isn't saying.
Faith is in the heart and mind, shown by the mouth, the third in the cross was the ultimate example, he could not move his limbs to do action, but the belief in his mind and heart sequestered Yeshua to remember him and it was granted. You all are gravely mistaken.
@@raydrew201another Bible butcher taking an exception and applying it as the norm,the thief that didn’t go to church or read the Bible or get baptized
No it isnt. The man on the cross has faith in Jesus and did absolutely NOTHING but believe in Jesus. You guys love trying to insert works when the Bible says you are saved by faiths and NOT OF WORKS. Faith is not works..
@@songohan7331 You’re taking an exception to the norm and deriving your nonsense doctrines, Jesus says for you to enter the kingdom of God, you MUST born of water and spirit but thief didn’t get baptized so does that means Jesus’s promise is fake, of course not,Jesus says you are saved by doing the works of God which is believing in him but Jesus also defines believing as a work (John 6:26-29) in him as abiding in his word and obeying him
🤦♂️ That closing statement by Sam was uncomfortable to listen to. When ALL It should’ve been was “Jesus I trusted in u ALONE, for I am nothing without u n I’ll never be righteous without u. All I could do was trust u alone n not myself at all”. But instead He explained to Jesus at length that he trusted allll the previous elders about what Gods word means n then followed them into a hole 🕳️ blind leading the blind, oppose to trusting in Jesus himself alone. Why are most of the world not saved? When most of the world calls themselves Christian? There HAS to be something wrong with most of them. They do not believe in Jesus. They trust themselves.
Exactly. I really don't get why people don't understand this concept. It's so, so simple. And yet at the same time, I was under a works spell for a long time. The deception is deep.
Trust in Jesus alone? Did you clip that man made doctrine from scripture aka sola scriptura? How do you know that early believers in the first three centuries believed in this 12 or 15th century man made doctrine called sola fide, without having access to the scripture that was not canonized at that time? Who taught them what was in the scripture during that time? I bet your answer is it was not the church fathers but some scholar like your modern day pastor?
@ the Bible says to. N it says worketh NOT but believeth on Jesus for salvation. What makes true Christianity different from EVERY OTHER religion? The fact that it’s a free gift, we don’t have to work for it. If u think u are more righteous than most ppl n think that plays a role in ur salvation then ur likely not even saved. We are nothing. We are trash n sinful. Ur works don’t mean a danm thing in ur salvation. The sacrifice is the only thing that means anything in ur salvation.
13:50... For Example... what if i am the devil. 1>-do you believe i exist? 2>-do you believe i can tell truth (like quoting scriptures)? 3>do you believe me to the point of obeying me, if i tell you that eating the apples will give you power to fly? TRUE SAVING FAITH IS ANSWERING YES TO ALL 3 QUESTIONS TO GOD WITHOUT IMPEDIMENT OF YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS.
Yes, faith save ,as written Romans 4 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ⁴ Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. ⁵ But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The Scriptures are crystal clear that salvation is by faith alone, totally exclusive of our works. Including good works you are boasting. In salvation, God alone gets the true honour and glory: “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9.
Heb 11:1 defines Faith as the “…substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” So it’s not just believing in God, but also believing God. The action part or works, is the fruit of Faith. If Abraham left his homeland, its beauties had faith. He took Isaac to be sacrificed because he had faith that God would provide the lamb to sacrifice. His works were merely an indication that he believed God.
@ deny me of WHAT? Reigning with him … not salvation stay in the context … when he sees us he looks past the flesh and see the Spirit of Jesus … which is himself and can not reject us bcuz we have HIS SPIRIT Not everyone will have the same rank in heaven
@@SpeeAD Modern beast system doctrine follower Ill ask again since you had trouble there. ONE verse earlier, he said if you deny Jesus he will deny you. How can you deny Jesus in faith. Youre stumbling over yourself
@ it depends on WHAT DISPENSATION FOOL …. In the Dispensation of Grace… you lose rank and rewards (1 Corinthians 3) …. Outside of it … you lose salvation 2 Timothy is talking to the Body of Christ … in the DISPENSATION OF GRACE … when did it start and When does it end ? started around 37 - 43 AD (officially after 70AD) … ENDS : The Rapture … and everyone left on earth has to go back to LAW (faith and works) …. We (body of Christ) are Faith alone
Abraham believed he didn't sit what he did, and he believed, and he acted, and he obeyed. Faith alone won't save you. Open your heart. And act alone won't save you either.
“To him that worketh not but beliveth on him that justifyeth the ungodly his faith is counted for rightousness” “Our works are as filthy rages to the lord” Romans 4:2 “For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.”
Excellent discussion on both sides. Their discussion on faith and faithful, believing, excellent points. The family discussion, also excellent points on both sides, Sam wins that one by a hair, but excellent discussion. I like to understand in simpler terms, belief is the noun, faith is the verb. Faith is literally putting your belief into action.
What would you say to me if I say "I love my son" but I don't spend time with him, I don't care for him when he's sick, I don't answer him when he has questions, I don't give him any attention, I don't buy him food when he's hungry..., doing all that when I am able to? What would you say about my love for my son if I act like that?!
@jessicaaguilera4526 thank you. That's what I expect. While it's true doing those thing may not means "love", but if you say you love someone, you are expected to do many of those things. The same can be said with faith. While being obedient may not because of faith, but saying to have faith required to be obedient.
Works are the results of your salvation and faith in Christ. Yes if someone claims to love someone and all their actions contradict that then they don't really love them. That's what 1 john talks about. The issue is when you claim that because faith results in works that therefore the works are required for salvation. That's the issue with catholicism. The salvation comes first and the works follow from salvation. To claim the works and faith go together to bring about salvation is to misunderstand what Christ did. You're saved and then you live it out.
Sam is claiming that the works you do are faith itself. Romans 4:5 ESV And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, If faith is the action then what is paul talking about ?
@@michaelharrison8586 the salvation comes first then works MUST follow, for Jesus said so Himself, you believe him, then you must abide in Him, and when you abide in Him, you must bear fruit, if you abide in Him (meaning you trust Him, have faith in Him) but you decided to not bear fruit (or not to do any works, good works or the works He commanded), you will be taken away, cast away, and throw into the fire. The Faith that saved is the faith with works, for faith without works is dead. You have faith in God, trust in Him, then whatever He commanded, you do it, and do not explain away. Jesus say to eat the flesh and blood of the Son of Man (which is presenced in the Eucharist) to have life, I will go and eat that flesh and blood. Jesus said to get baptized, I go get baptized. Jesus said to pray for the my enemy, I pray for my enemy (which is intecede for others), Jesus said to go and help the poor, I go and help the poor. Jesus said to spread the Gospel, I go and spread the Gospel (if He intended that for my life). I don't explain away, saying "figurative", or use the thief on the cross as an excuse not to do them (for I am able to do all those things, not like that thief who was not able to do anything, if I am disable or lay on my deathbed, the case for the thief on the cross may applied to you, but I am not, and if I use that thief as an excuse, I am worse than that thief). I do works, because my LORD and Savior commanded me to, plain and simple.
Faith and works are different that’s why James says faith without works is dead But the thief on the cross had faith but no works Faith comes and works follow Jesus says go and we say yes (faith) and then we walk (works) But if we don’t work we are disobedient but not unsaved and God may chastise us because he loves us …
They both reveal that JD Vance is more sharp within the first 5:03. John 8 & Hebrews 3 is comparing “abiding,” in God like a person remaining in a house - which is what truly saves . The Jews Jesus is arguing with in John 8:31 “believed,” (Pisteuo), but they did NOT “abide,” or “continue,” (meno) in Gods house which saves - this is what Sam is focusing on, which he’s right, but there is in fact a distinction between “believing,” & “abiding.” You both sharpened me thank you brothers. Sam is encompassing both words into one to reveal what a true believer looks like & JD Vance is magnifying and distinguishing the two.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
If i were to say i abide by the law (man's law), does that mean that i put my trust in the law to protect me? That i believe in the power of the law to protect me? If so, then the same will be applied to the Word of God, by abiding in Him and His Word, you put your trust and faith in Him.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 61 helpful votes For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. no works here.
Finish the context, Protestant. The very next verse says, “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Ephesians 2:10
He is a Roman Catholic. As such they will claim that it is Faith alone but in reality Works goes hand in hand with faith i.e. you can't be saved without (their) deeds. Sam used to be Protestant or faith alone; in fact, he uses the knowledge he learned from the Bible, which very few Catholic have, to go against faith alone now. If we are saved by grace through faith alone, people can get saved and then pick the wrong path or religion. Perhaps Sam's relatives, "tribe", country etc. are mostly Catholics and he could not convert them, so he came to the conclusion that perhaps Catholicism is correct. Ego? Who knows, this is my opinion but I could be right.
I had "head knowledge" faith, professed faith, for many years but lived my life in the world as I wanted but went to church on Sunday and prayed. I believed i was a "Christian" just not the best, though I had good intentions. It wasn't until I activated my faith by obeying God's commandments and striving to please God in everything that I do and say did I finally feel God's peace and presence in my life. That was the Ah-ha moment that put my life on track for God. To God be the glory. Eastern Orthodox Christianty helped put me on that track. I recommend reading, The Faith, An Orthodox Catechism, by Clark Carlton.
James deals with this topic most direct so I am surprised that no one quoted James 2 from around verse 14. Faith without works is dead and not profitable. Does it mean you don't have faith when it's dead? I would say ofcause not. Dead faith is still faith. A dead dog is still a dog but faith. How do you know a dog is alive... Because it moved. And so faith is evident when it creates coinciding works. In most cases we do what we believe. (Please forgive me for using a dead dog in an explanation of faith, thought it would make it easier to understand). Also, how do we know a man is righteous? By his actions, so when we have faith with action that accompany it we display our faith in God (in the case of Christians). So faith comes before works but works should follow to prove your faith. I would say the only real question is what what qualifies as works of faith. If believing is an action could I say that is faith too?
”Believing loyalty”, right? Dr Michael Heiser’s suggestion. I believe that the problem exists in English, like you both agreed. Maybe in other Germanic languages with many words as well. It does become a problem when the ”faith” word is being stripped of the rich meaning it has in the OT and NT, leading us Western minds to do the dissectioning and subgrouping of meaning of the words we are such experts in doing, separating action from thought. In turn leading to problematic confessions, splitting the Faith into separate parts devoid of that fullness. And we end up with ”absolutes” and other mental gymnastics, that make God a million properties put into a Godhead with three persons. He is the Son. He is the Father. He is the Holy Spirit. Faith draws you to Him. Faith without action is dead.
They also debated on whether baptism saves. Do you want a clip of that? If so, like this video and if it gets enough attention, I’ll clip the baptism portion of the full livestream! ❤
You guys need to be born again.... That's the problem for all chaos and doctrinal differences and self interpretations instead of the Holy Spirit's.
Yes please clip the baptism portion of the debate. The Abdools are already manifesting in the comments just from you mentioning that you might post the clip, so clearly it's necessary.
Yes, post it. Thank you for your work brother. The Lord bless you 🙏🏻❤️
“‘“The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face shine on you and be gracious to you; the Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace.”’ (Numbers 6:24-26)
@FlybyFaithChurch "baptism now saves you", Holy Scripture teaches! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
✝️ Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Hallelujah. Amen.
amen ✝️
The pastor's distinction between 'faith' as belief and 'faithfulness' as action creates an artificial divide that ignores the biblical and historical context. Scripture and tradition consistently show that true faith is inherently active, encompassing trust, obedience, and perseverance. By separating faith from action, the pastor prioritizes personal interpretation over what is actually written in Scripture and required for belief, resulting in a truncated view of living faith and abiding in Christ.
Agreed. Soon after he differentiates trusting something vs showing trust in something, he uses that “creative license” to try and set up the red herrings and straw-men then pivoting off with some weird grammar explanations. Talking fast and trying to be slick with the wordplay doesn’t make him correct.
This is biblical.
Indeed
Right but the action doesn’t create the faith. The action comes from the faith of someone.
@@michaelmcgill4627 where did I say action creates faith?
The good work is the fruit of my faith meaning I am save by faith alone but my faith doesn’t come alone. It comes with good works.
When you say faith alone, you are quoting Martin Luther who changed scripture and added the word alone
which comes out of every protestant mouth
Romans 5:1 - we are justified by faith + something else?
@jasonkritz3055 We are justified By other things also. Definitely not faith alone otherwise, the book of James would say so. Our sanctification helps to justify us. The sacraments help to justify us. Our life itself helps to justify us. Never faith alone because, as scripture says even
the demons have faith and They certainly aren't justified.
@@zacharyvandress1120I’m sorry, Demons have faith?
@Wrestling-Nun demons do believe in God scripture says such. They lost being with God.
Fact: In order to commit a crime, you must have completed 3 steps! 1. Mind: thoughts and planning. 2. Heart: emotion and desires. 3. Will: actions and opportunities! Faith must also complete these 3 steps. Without one of these elements, it is incomplete!
Love God with all your mind, heart, soul... Complete faith!
God completes our faith. Many instances in the bible where the prophets and people, despite their lack of faith and unbelief, acted because God said to and God was faithful to His word. Sam is more right than Pastor J.D.
According to man's law your three steps might be accurate. According to Jesus even a foolish thought is a sin. Getting angry with someone is compared to murder.
So no, your three steps is not it.
Ok so let's work this out, my mind I'm thinking about the afterlife, my desire is to go to the good place and not the bad place in the afterlife now what is my opportunity to get what I desire in my mind? Is Jesus my opportunity to be heaven or is it the things I do here on earth that will create an opportunity?
@@DeconPleabian its one thing to think about what it means to live a good life according to God but its even more important to live out a good life that is pleasing to God. The greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart soul and mind and the second greatest commandment is to love others.
@faisalhilaby we're talking about salvation, is Jesus my savior or an I saved by the works I do? Jesus claims he saved me and paid the FULL price.
“For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.”
Romans 10:10
This verse shows there is a distinction between believing, justification and being saved. With the heart, one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. Showing believing and being justified is an internal event, while confessing, and being saved is a work. How is it work you might say? Confessing that Jesus, is Lord with your mouth is a work. Yet your heart is the reason that you are justified to be saved. Faith and works💙
Yes, and that is the "only" work that God requires for the gift of the great reward, Eternal Life. Amen!
@@Ronnie-y5v9b Why then does Christ command us to "love our neighbor?"... is this not also a work that is required to reach eternal life?
@@tacticalinsanity7375 Jesus can command it, but as an adopted sons & daughters of the Father, we have the right to choose to ignore it.
Yes, I agree, it is a work.
Believing in itself is an action. I made a comment questioning this and quoting James 2 as well speaking about actions accompanying living faith. This is an interesting topic and I would say until you have an answer do what our Lord Jesus dead. Preach the Word, help the poor, widows and orphans and heal the sick, drive out demons and bring the dead back to life whether it be spiritually or physically. Lastly, worship the Father in spirit and in truth.( Spirit and truth we could perhaps say in the Holy Spirit and in the name of our Lord Jesus.)
Inorder to say someone is faithful, such a person will be assessed by their works/action... its beyond desire/will.
Yep but when you’re saved it’s not the works that saved you. Faith in the son of God who takes away the sins of the world. Faith was always the salvation because not one person has not sinned.
@@godloves9163 I think what you should clarify is that faith can also evidently be false, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is not simply just works, nor is it just a belief. Like Sam Shamoun said, faith is a lifestyle and way of living that (in your heart, deeply) glorifies Christ and puts God First. Stating that you have faith in Jesus Christ and not bearing any works assumes that you dont actually believe in Christ. If you believe that Jesus is God and what he said was true, yet you dont follow his way of living, his prayer to the father, his giving alms to the poor, or his so ever merciful forgiveness, then do you really have faith in Christ?
The danger with separating faith from your actions is that we’ll have everybody running around “believing” without anyone living in accordance with what the faith requires of us. That’s why faith and works are harmonious by nature of one’s belief. Similarly, your actions alone can’t make up your faith. For instance, if you believe in Jesus and murder someone out of blood lust in the same afternoon, how faithful to Him are you?
There is simply no people wicked people that do truly good works. Sure there are plenty who pretend to do good works but the truth always eventually comes out and they are exposed. To seperate works from faith is simply a cop out not to do them, I believe it's that simple.
@@0...00..19 My question is how much works is sufficient? A couple? A few? Several? All? What if some good works are seen but then some not so good things done by the same one whose good works are seen are hidden? Do they cancel out those seen good works? What if you do mostly good works but then some not good things? Is it a wrap for you? Must you obey perfectly or is it do the best you can? If obedience, must it be perfect? People who talk obedience are never clear about these things and I mean we gotta get it right don't we? Our salvation is on line after all.
@MN-el9kr and that's the exactly kind of thinking that is wrong and is misunderstood when it comes to sayings like "faith without works is dead". When Jesus said "you will know them by their fruits". The fruits are basically our works, anyone who claims it should be "faith only" is simply copping out because they don't want to be held accountable for their fruitless lives, why else would they want to deny that?
@@MN-el9kr if you are doing good works to gain something that's simply not a truly good work and God will know what is in your heart
Jesus equates hating someone without cause to murder. Proverbs 24:9 says even the thought of foolishness is sin. James 4:17 says if you know what you ought to do and do not do it then that is sin. When confronted with the high demands of God's holiness, you cannot be honest with saying that you have "stopped sinning." In fact it says in 1 John that if you say you are without sin then you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Your actions will never measure up and you will fall into the trap of Romans 10:3 which is inventing your own form of righteousness if you lean on your works to be saved. There is faith displayed to man and there's faith displayed to God. The salvation faith requires no work as explained in Ephesians 2:8-10. You are saved for works, not by works.
The Early part of the conversation reminds me why some folks see a lot of Gnosticism in Protestant theology. The whole fear of Pelagianism, Semi-Pelagianism has made folks back away from the Covenantal and Praxis elements of faith, where Faith ends up like some kind of Gnosis we get from the Holy Spirit apart any kind of earthly working out things by living life in Communion with God.
that happens because protestants always think in a reactionary, anti-catholic perspective
Lot of gnosticism... 😂😂😂
Being Monophysite you saying about someone’s gnosticism?
It’s more about reaction to Catholicism, not real gnosticism. Real gnosticism is to profess that Christ’s body was “transparent”, “luminescent”, “lightweight” etc. This is an opinion of a MiaMonophysite apologist whom I debated with (he is quoting their saint)
@@orthoslavie Yes it is obviously not literal Gnosticism, because there is no Demiurge, nor is the motif escaping the yucky material world. But more in tone or phronema, like salvation is the same as gaining enlightenment.
James 2:18
But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.
The only thing works does is show other people, God sees the heart before any works, that’s not what that verse means.
@@raydrew201 No that's how you privately interpret that verse. The Church Fathers made it quite clear the role that works plays.
@@raydrew201
Origen: "Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the epistle bearing the name of James" (Commentaries on John 19:6 [A.D. 226-232])
@@raydrew201 Origen "Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in Him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the epistle bearing the name of James" (Commentaries on John 19:6 [A.D. 226-232]).
@@raydrew201 “Whoever dies in his sins, even if he profess to believe in Christ, does not truly believe in him; and even if that which exists without works be called faith, such faith is dead in itself, as we read in the epistle bearing the name of James” (Commentaries on John 19:6 [A.D. 226-232])
-Origen
I hope this posts, been trying quite a while.
Faith without works is dead
Thief on the cross disagrees. You're misinterpreting the verse.
@@Paleoprimal It's pretty hard to do works when you are nailed to a cross. I am sure God knew his situation and saved him anyway. The real question should be after meeting Jesus what kind of life would he have lived if he had a second chance. Would he have gone back to the sinful life that put Jesus on the cross in the first place?
Shows that there is a distinction between the two!!
@@Paleoprimalanother Protestant that is taking an exception to the norm
@@Paleoprimal the thief on the cross confessed Jesus is Lord. That was his work of faith.
Satan knows and believed gods truth. Satan has no faith. Faith and belief are different but similar
Faith and belief is the same thing guy
@@ownone7759 faith and belief are completely different. Knowing God exists and choosing to not follow him isn’t “faith in Jesus” faith is believing and willfully following
@@Akhgy negative. They’re not.
Belief is not simply knowing and our faith involves our hope that the devil does not have he has knowledge of God but has no hope of God which is an essential part of the belief that the Bible talks of
Yet Sam insisits the devil beleive is he faithful
True faith will manifest works.
Romans 4:5
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
@@Psalm-lt5kl That is talking about the works of the law; the beginning of that chapter and all of chapter 3 were about how Abraham was not justified by the works of the law since the law didn't even exist... context = prot greatest enemy.
One son said "yes, lord, I'm going", but went off to have fun. The other son said "I don't wanna", but went to work in the vineyard regardless.
Which one fulfilled the will of his father?
God doesn't care what we think or what we say. He knows how good we are at deceiving ourselves. No, our faith and love has to manifest objectively for it to be real. If our faith is not an observable action, it doesn't exist.
You are confused.
Romans 4
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
@@GiftofGrace88 Not everyone who calls to Christ "Lord, Lord!" will be saved, but those who do the will of the Father.
So our colloquial understanding of faith and belief doesn't fit the biblical usage. I repeat, faith is only real when it manifests objectively.
Now, our Lord warns against virtue signaling. We should not parade our works for people to see, but do them in secret where only God will know. That's the key.
@@GiftofGrace88bro go Read 1-3 and not cherry pick chapter..
From one to Three it says Your are Justified by work but not work alone and You are justified by Faith but not alone..
@@Akhgyyou’re not paying attention to the Bible this passage is based of from Genesis remember Paul is quoting Abraham this is Old testament (Gen 15) where Abraham had faith in God then God gave a promise because of his faith, Abraham’s work is recorded in Gen 18 or 21 i believe which is argued by James in his epistle earning the title “Friend of God” what did abraham do? He was to sacrifice his son (works) thats why paul said if its by grace then it is of no works if not works is no longer works (works having no definition)
@@jeremiahlayug336 what?.. I don’t understand what your saying
Sam is so good at explaining things , it never sounds like preaching. Always more like teaching on all levels so EVERYONE can understand without the BS a lot like to spread. I never get bored listening to Sam on his channel. ALL. GLORY TO THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.
Sam is wrong
This was one of the stronger guests Sam has had. GOOD discussion gentlemen
sam is being very gentle and calm with this brother in christ
Protestants are exhausting.
Well, this guy more than most...
500 million protestants are all exhausting? Pretty arrogant statement anyhow.
@Dlee-eo5vv Idolatrous, Mary worshipping cult members who depend on their works is embarrassing and demonic.
Sam kept bouncing between “faith”, “believe”, and “faithfulness”. “Faithfulness” and “abiding” are somewhat synonymous in these contexts. But he kept trying to apply the definition of “faithfulness” to verses using “faith” and “believe” which isn’t the same thing.
They are just correlated. To argue unrelenting that they are different is just a waste of time. It's a waste of time arguing philosophically. These is what theologians normally do for the entire time of their lives without saving a single soul to salvation.
Simple. Faith + works. The whole day of judgement at Matthew 25:31-46.
False. That is known as works righteousness view of salvation. Salvation in the proper sense is faith apart from works of the Law. Salvation in the wide sense is living faith bearing fruit.
Nope wrong faith plus nothing in this age of grace. And faith and works was for the jews and in the upcoming great tribulation for people but for christians today it is faith alone cause works cannot save you and is for your santification and rewards in heaven not for your salvation and people mix up these 2. and the first 4 gospels are mostly written to jews not christians and sure we can learn from it but if it contradicts Paul his teachings it is not for us.
@@shogunshogun " works righteousness " My unlearned friend, why do you use this modern wording and definitions? Find anyone who believed what YOU believe 1800-2000 years ago. Have fun with that. Instead you choose a modern doctrine during the rise of the beast system...genius...your choice.
Titus 3:5-7
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost"
Who would have thought that We'd find a person like Titus in the apostles time talking about "works righteousness ".
Come on my unlearned friend read the Scriptures
@@shogunshogunyes what they dont get, and it's very important point, is that our faith In Jesus is complete because the work that is attached is Jesus's life and obedience imputed unto us. We have the works, we have the perfect righteousness of God. We are the righteousness of God in Christ. We have no works of our own because His obedience has fulfilled all the work that we need, so the author and finisher of our faith has already provided the works concerning salvation by HIS very own obedience, Rom 8 Hebrews 10, Titus 3 and so on and so forth. In light of that we work by faith to love others in the love by which we have been loved and with the same grace He gave us!
This guy keeps talking past Sam's point. His many words are exhausting and he needs to slow down and think about the context of his own responses. Even his own examples are ridiculous. To use his examples, if you click on a streamyard link because you trust ( have faith) there will be your scheduled meeting, then you aren’t "just clicking a link", you wouldn't be clicking on the link in the first place if you didn't believe you had an online meeting! How exhausting! What world does this guy live in where intentions are separate from actions? Does he believe only in a mental existence? Sam has great patience listening to this guy's rapid fire autistic overthinking of things and incessant talking.
If you think that intentions and actions are the same then just look at Peter. He denied Jesus three times. Does this mean he was lost like Judas was?
@@patriotsway7208 except Peter repented and died a Martyr (upside down cross), did he just say "I believe" then he automatically felt forgiven? No, he showed it in his action persevere and never denied Christ until the end.
@@patriotsway7208 Matter of fact he was! Thats why Jesus had him PROFESS his love for Jesus 3 times to heal the 3 times he denied him, then went on never denying him again and dying as a faithful martyr. The more you learn... all Judas had to do was not kill himself and repent and he would have been regenerated
intentions are indeed separate from actions. Just listen to Paul when he talks about how he fails to do what he ought, but does the thing he ought not. Belief and action are indeed different things. Action plays no role in salvation. Smoke plays no role in starting a fire. But it is a good indicator that a fire has previously been started. As soon as you start talking about actions saving, you are getting into works based salvation.
@ “ Action plays no role in salvation “ What an outrageous thing to say.
“ Works based salvation “ This idea didn’t exist for the first 1500 years of Church History. You have a new religion, just admit it and then leave us be, you clearly don’t want the Church of God if you reject what was revealed to the Church of God 2000 years ago. Modern doctrine for the modern man, sad, i will pray for you
Sola fide or not, you know this was an INTENSE & INFORMATIVE debate! All without the shouting and name calling. Enjoy!
For more info about the pastor, check out Pastor JD’s channel in the description, as well as the full 2 hour version of this clip.
Believing, abiding, whatever:
Just live as the Messiah live. He manifested the Scripture in his life.
Just claim the blood of the Messiah instead f bringing your own lamb(or goat) to the temple as a sin sacrifice.
Just understand the Parable of the Two Debtors.
Christianity is a hoax!
Seek the Way or the Natsarim. They are the Jerusalem Assembly,the true followers.
Are you of any faith ? I’m not being rude I was just wondering.
@@Carolinel673
Me?
Acts 9:1-2
Acts 10:14
Acts 24:5&14
The original followers were the Jerusalem Assembly aka the Way aka the Natsarim Sect of 1st Century Judaism. They were Torah observant Jews. I seek to emulate them.
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Faith is dynamic ,not static.
It can increase and decrease but not extinguish.
He exemplifies what Protestantism is : interpret to suit your narrative '
Catholics literally interpret that the Pope has the power of God. That he can somehow loose things on earth and in heaven, which is an interpretation of a false narrative. Tea pot calling the kettle black.
@@jabloneynophony1875well pastor Ricky doesn’t have the same apostolic authority handed down from Christ through Peter and the apostles to His Church. God bless you friend.
@@bigsarge05 Where in the Bible does it say Peter can hand down authority? Its nowhere. It was a made up concept during the iron age, so that wealthy, powerful and corrupt EVIL men, could justify doing all the evil things they did.
@@bigsarge05 An authority which now says all paths lead to God.
That's a characteristic of everyone, not just protestants. The question is whose interpretation is most harmonious within the context of the passage being read, the letter its contained within, and the whole of Scripture. Either 1 is right and the other is wrong or both is wrong. Everyone has to interpret what they hear/read. Even catholics have to interpret what the pope/priests say. Remember when the pope recently made comments thst seemed to teach that christ wasn't needed. Tons of catholic youtubers made videos interpreting what the pope said in order to reconcile it with catholicism
No matter how hard people try, they'll never be able to escape the divine synergy of Grace, Faith, and Work; it cannot be done.
The description of this pastor about faith is the same as matin luther wherein Faith is just a mental ascent, not a faith working through love that we Catholics adhere.
Evangelicals believe the same thing. No one is suggesting that you have faith and not follow the Lord it doesn't work that way. But in order to follow the Lord and obey him you need to have faith in him first. That is probably the point of difference
This pastor must be tired from dancing around all over the place. Dang! Great work Sam, schooled him hopefully he repents and follows the truth.
Put down the pipe. Drugs are bad for your brain.
“For we see that a man is justified by his works and not by faith alone.” James 2:24
Faith without works is dead because it is not real faith. All true faith bears fruit. And yet, you can do many good works in this world and not have faith at all. Faith comes first.
Romans 10: 4: "For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."
You are not justified and saved by anything you do in this world.
Also, you do know the context of who James was talking to? It was not believing Christians, but Jews that had faith in God as One.
justification is not salvation.
@augustvonmacksen2526 It says dead faith, not absent of Faith. It doesn't say your faith is removed or null and void. Ephesians 2:8-9 and Roman's 4:1-6 completely dispute your false notion.
@@Paleoprimalthen you are arguing againts strawman. it's not work alone saved. its Faith and Works Saved. Never did he said absent of faith.
“For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.”
James 2:26 NRSV-CI
This was a remarkably good conversation and I think both presented and defended their views really well. But best of all they did it in a manner becoming of Christians. Praise God, we need more of this
He already came with preconceived " truth" he wasn't opened to discussion.... Bad man
@chommie5350 he was very open to discussion and I'm sure will be grappling with what Sam has told him. Just because someone doesn't agree with you straight away doesn't mean they're being intellectually dishonest
Ones defining “ being faithful” and the other is defining “to have Faith”
Jesus says if ur in Him (faith) don't don't produce fruit (works) u get cut off. If u get cut off then ur not saved. Faith without works is dead.
John 15:2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away"
Exactly! 👍
That has nothing to do with salvation. You have to separate salvation and service. Of course, you should do good works, and you should serve. But works has nothing to do with being saved. You know you have eternal life when you believe in Christ. You don't earn eternal life because it is a gift from God through faith. Jesus Christ promised us eternal life!
1 John 2
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1 John 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
True faith always bears fruit. And James were talking to Jews who believed God was One, not believing Christians. You simply cannot have true faith and not bear good fruit, because:
Romans 10: 4: "For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."
We see that we are not justified by anything we do, but by faith.
Romans 4: 4: "Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work,
but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. "
The man is carnal in his thinking. Ridiculous. I am Baptist and Sam Shamounian is correct.
Finally got to the meat of it. "Faithfulness is characteristic of the life of a believer." They both agree. Good stuff.
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Look at mat 21:28 about the parable of two sons, one who refused to go work but later went, and another who agreed to go work but didn't. In the story the one who went on to act was the good son since he repented through action but one who confessed to go work and didn't perform the action was condemned
Luke 7:1-10 The Faith of the Centurion. The Roman Centurion by Faith believed that Jesus only had to say the word, and not go and lay hands on his servant, that by this the Centurions servant would be healed.
There is an “Act” here by the Centurion! He traveled to find Jesus because he believed in Jesus and His ability to save.
The centurion had faith that Jesus didnt need to go to his house, but only say the words
There's acts and works in the verse, it is not the "gotcha" that you think it is
Did you miss the part in elementary school when we went over verbs and nouns?
“Saying the word” is an action. Jesus just had “to say the word” and his servant was healed. But also the centurion did an act of charity by professing his belief in Jesus in front of the crowd. He evangelized.
@ actually him/you’re fulfilling the Law “Go and tell others what God has done for you.”
Sam, I am so happy to have found your channel. Keep going, Man! I am blown away by your knowledge of Scripture. And, ability to wade through all the weeds people throw out.
‘Many will call me Lord Lord, but don’t do what I say’ I think Yeshua sums it up right there.
The not doing what he says or "the Fathers will" is to believe in his once for all, all sufficient sacrifice apart from works, not the works of youre righteousness which is by the law.
@@dedios03nobody denies that but the mere intellectual belief isn’t sufficient,it is accompanied by your actions because you just believing in what Christ did doesn’t save you,it’s believing in what he did and living your life in accordance with what he commands of you
@@dedios03you’re talking about salvation. The commenter is talking about faith. Faith that is alive does works. Faith that doesn’t do works is dead. The works don’t save and dead faith doesn’t either. The description of faith is different from the definition of salvation.
If you say you believe God and follow your own thoughts, desires and, God forbid, emotions then you simply don’t believe God and are still dead in sins.
WILL OF THE FATHER
John 6
37 Everyone the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me: that I should lose none of those He has given Me but should raise them up on the last day.
40 For this is the will of My Father: that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6
28 “What can we do to perform the works of God?” they asked.
29 Jesus replied, “This is the work of God-that you believe in the One He has sent.”
@@brentstewart2150So Dead Faith doesn't save, but a Living one save right?
what makes a living and a death faith differ? in their work right?
so Work is a requirement for Salvation because without it, your faith is not a saving faith.
JD is a very good Christian brother, and I have debated him on the opposite side of the debate in terms of eternal conscious torment versus Annihilation many times in the past. I am an annihilationist.
James - Faith is dead without works. We are saved by his grace it is a gift and he offers it by his blood and we need to hold on to it and turn away from sin that only brings death.
Predestination is a heresy and only causes more temptation and no examination of ourselves and our wretchedness
Similar to when God promised David he would be The God to his son: Solomon (Shlomo) so long as he keeps his commandments.
Solomon HAD to be a believer but, without acting it out by following the commandments God had set for him - well we know the story of Solomon…
Wow that is a mouthful! Faith, Works, free will and predestination! I wish to address one major aspect. The definition of grace. First what it is not - Mercy. What it is - “The strength and desire to do Yahweh’s will”
Your right we are saved by OUR decision, God will abide his eternal plan on what I want or intend to do. It's totally a heresy cause we have the power!
What about the redeemed? It is my understanding that orthodoxy believes all of us are redeem.
What you have commented is what is a fallacy.
Romans 8 :29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Predestination is very biblical. But God in His Sovereign wisdom knew Who will choose Him and Who will reject HIM.
There are 2 kinds of people who will not receive the grace of God. The proud ( James 4: 6,7)and those who hated the truth of God ( 2 Thessalonians 2:10).
We are saved by faith alone , but true faith is never alone
If believing or having faith is only defined by being faithful, then nobody qualifies since everyone sins and nobody is truly faithful.
We struggle sometimes minute by minute because of the “Old Nature”! Our minute by minute struggles are winnable by HIS Grace. We are saved by grace and we walk the same way by grace.
Yes, if we were to be perfect after being saved, no one would be saved since we are still in human flesh. That does not mean that we should not strive to be faithful/ perfect and that there isn't consequences for sin for a believing Christian. Maybe there is a point of no return, but who says that person had real faith to begin with?
Romans 10: 4: "For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes."
@@Deffine Think about what you are saying. If there is consequence for sin, then we are all in trouble since we all sin. If there is no consequence for sin if you believe, then why do we have to strive to be good? It is irrelevant if we are good or not. It might be nicer to be as good as you can but this makes no difference in the long run since we are all saved regardless assuming we believe. It simply makes no sense
@@plattrandy2715 But WHY are we saved by his grace? If it's for believing in him, then who cares if you are faithful? And if it's for being faithful, nobody is sinless so nobody gets grace since nobody is really faithful..
@@nothingbutthetruth613 Who said there is no consequence for sin? There might be a point of no return and Jesus said all sin can be forgiven, except sinning against the Holy Spirit.
6:45 beautifully said 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
comparing a “click” to a life long journey of going out every single day to travel somewhere you do not know is a weak comparison.. and is exactly why Faith is an action not a noun.. not a thing.. Faith is a transcendental. like Love is sacrifice, and hope is to choose a lifestyle based on certain objective evidences especially Jesus Christ.. Faith is an awareness of God that comes through obedience.. without that obedience you are blind and do not “abide in His words”, as it were
“Great is Thy faithfulness,” O God my Father,
There is no shadow of turning with Thee;
Thou changest not, Thy compassions, they fail not
As Thou hast been Thou forever wilt be.
“Great is Thy faithfulness!” “Great is Thy faithfulness!”
Morning by morning new mercies I see;
All I have needed Thy hand hath provided-
“Great is Thy faithfulness,” Lord, unto me!
Summer and winter, and springtime and harvest,
Sun, moon and stars in their courses above,
Join with all nature in manifold witness
To Thy great faithfulness, mercy and love.
Pardon for sin and a peace that endureth,
Thine own dear presence to cheer and to guide;
Strength for today and bright hope for tomorrow,
Blessings all mine, with ten thousand beside!
If faith actually was a work done by oneself, we wouldn't have this discussion in the first place. It would just be another commandment we have to fulfill.
The primary reason why Martinus Luder enforced Sola Fide, is because his works were very lacking.
Romans 4 4-5
Or because he found out that the church was corrupted. Which it was and it is still.
Even Jesus said, not all who says Lord, Lord we professed in your name, cast out demons in his name will inherit the kingdom but those who professed his name, confined in it, help those in need, wil. This tell you clears that faith is followed by work to be saved
Works are not necessary to be saved;
works are evidence that you are saved
Faith is what you believe and it proves itself on how live life.
So if i lived in the time of Jericho and I decided not to walk around I would still considered to have faith?
@talofa911
This mentality of “faith alone saves” but my works are a sign I’m saved is so ridiculous.
I would say by the command that God gave to His apostles that Baptism is necessary (one must be baptized as a Christian).
You would disagree and say baptism is not necessary for salvation… and yet would you then say to someone who just professed Jesus as their Lord “well now you need to get baptized, it is a sign you are saved”, and if they were to rightly say “if I don’t need it why should I get baptized, I’m already saved now”, and they walk away and don’t get baptized… you would then say “well they didn’t get baptized, so they were never saved to begin with”. This sure sounds like the far simpler conclusion “Baptism is necessary for salvation according to Jesus”
This mentality is so absurd because it says the same thing we do, but monkey’s with the terminology to bend into this faulty definition… then proclaims us as heretics with a straight face, and acts as if salvation is some sort of ambiguous thing of “well is he actually saved or not”, since apparently we can retroactively go back in time and judge someone’s faith as not actually faith that saves because they rejected God’s will now.
Just say that you need faith AND works and be done with it, and have assurance of salvation as Jesus intends.
It is made crystal clear that we are to believe in Jesus, and to follow the NEW law: the fulfillment of the OLD law. And to abide in Him by partaking of His precious Body and Blood in the sacrament of the Eucharist: in other words be a part of the Church Christ established, the Catholic Church
That is ridiculous- you dont need works to have faith, but your works prove you have faith?? Hmm- sounds like what we as Catholics say except in a twisted way and 1/2 wrong. So what you’re saying is- is that if we dont do works, then that proves we never had true faith. Which is the same. Exact. Thing. As saying that you need to have works to have true faith. Faith requires action. Protestants dont make sense.
@@stephencarlton-jones7119I would rather be correct than adhere to a conveniently simpler false idea.
@@jessicaaguilera4526The difference is that many (I won’t claim most) is that Protestants don’t make the claim to know one’s state of salvation by their works.
True faith has to be constantly obedient to God exercising your free will.
Pastor J D Martin is not interested in Jesus but came to teach grammar and show his briliance in English. Time waster promoting his vanity.
Very dishonest assumption
Some assumption
@levinagomes6939 Roman's 4
What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Faith. We first exercise our faith by the hearing the truth that we are sinners, and are in the need of a Savior.🙏🏼 This is all exhausting!
As a believer this formal way of trying to describe faith has to be by the Spirit of Truth. Live out your faith by trusting in Christ alone.
I believe that it is faith alone, but REAL FAITH produces fruit/works. Works are the "symptom" of having true faith. Ex: If a doctor tells me that I have a disease, but I have no symptoms of the disease, then I would get a second opinion. If someone told me that I have real faith, but I have no fruit or works resulting from that faith, I might want to get a second opinion.
So what you’re saying is::::: true faith is defined by works. Sounds like what Catholics say- that you have to have works to have true faith. Just like what James 2 says- “faith without works is dead”…… ☠️
You contradicted yourself. God imputes righteousness apart from works.
Romans 4
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
@@GiftofGrace88 Works are the evidence of our faith and salvation... not the cause of it. We are saved by grace through faith, and that transformation will cause us to do good works... if it does not, then there may not have been a true transformation. Works do not save us, they merely are an evidence that we have been saved. Salvation is the 'disease" and works are the symptom of having that disease. The symptoms do not cause the disease, its the disease that causes the symptoms... Works do no cause salvation, but are the result and symptom of being saved.
@@GiftofGrace88 I agree completely... Working for salvation is like faking symptoms of a cold. I can fake cough, and fake sneeze all day long, but that doesn't mean I actually have a cold. The coughing and sneezing aren't the cold, they are evidence of the infection that produces those responses. To do those things as a genuine response, I need to actually 'catch a cold'. It is the same with Faith... if I genuinely have faith, works will flow from that faith (not to save myself) but as a result of the transformation of Christ in my life that came when I put faith in Him. If I am an apple tree, I will naturally produce apples by my very nature. If I am a "Jesus Tree" I will naturally produce "the good works that he planned for me long ago" by the new nature that He is working in me.
My adorable jesus,
May our feet journey together,
May our hands gather in unity,
May our hearts beat in unison,
May souls be in harmony,
May our thoughts be as one,
May our ears listen to the silence together,
May our glances profoundly penetrate each other,
May lips pray together to gain mercy from the Eternal father Amen.
I love Sam. But I don’t think he won this one. The Bible is very clear: faith starts from nothing. Works start from faith. Faith comes first. You don’t prove your faith by works. But if your faith is genuine, the works come.
Edit: I see a lot of confusion. Let me clarify. When I say “faith comes from nothing” I mean there was an absence of faith PRIOR to you coming to faith. So you don’t have faith in God, and you don’t do any works. At some point, THE HOLY SPIRIT (not you) does work in those around you and in you. You decide to change your internal heart and succumb to the will of the father (which is believing Jesus is the son of God and our salvation) and then works follow. You can’t do any works to gain salvation. Salvation is through Christ alone. Nothing you do WILL EVER measure up to what he did on the cross. Period.
Well said, faith begins from nothing but after you start in faith you must produce works and follow the teachings of Christ
“But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”
James 2:18
How does faith comes from nothing?
It seems your saying it just magical appeared.
But my thought process is Faith is the By product of Something, you can’t have faith in something unknowingly without perceiving this thing to be truth either through your own reason, and thought process..
Which this is a work.
From my read of Romans, it teaches
-Your are declared Righteous by Works
But you aren’t justified by those works without faith.
- your declared righteous by faith, but not by faith alone.
This is just reading
Romans chapters 1-3 straight to understand Paul’s arguments.
Paul argues we are declared righteous by law, but we are not Justified by the Works of the Law alone (as to Jews believe)
We are justified by the Law and Faith..
Cause Paul say to adhere to the law.
Faith does not come from nothing, to say that is to call God nothing. In Ephesians 2:8, the gift from God is both Faith and Grace. Both are not of ourselves, but from God. If God had not made Himself known to us, we would not have the ability to come to Faith by which we obtian Grace. That's how I've understood it.
@Akhgy true, for me Faith will produce naturally works but like the thief on the cross he had no works heck he was a thief but he put his faith in Christ and the LORD promised him this very day he will be in heaven
Faith is the trust and belief in God, while faithful describes the quality of being reliable and steadfast in that trust. Together, they form a complete picture of a life dedicated to God: believing in Him (faith) and living in a way that reflects that belief (faithfulness).
Pastor JD doesn’t believe that you can believe without God causing you to believe!
“Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.””
John 6:29 NIV
“You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.”
James 2:24-26 NIV
The Bible says God calls believers to him....There are some people who cannot believe becauseGod did not call them, example the pharisees....
@@songohan7331And what about the pharisees such as Nicodemus that did come to believe in Jesus? God has called every man to Himself. No man was chosen before Creation to be damned, free will exists... we're not puppets or doomed toys of a cold, cruel god.
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But isn’t His desires for none to be lost? If so, is he calling all to believe? 🤔
Pastor JD is correct !! You can not believe without Yahweh changing your un regenerated heart that hates Yahweh and rebels against him. So I will use the verses you provided to refute your argument. So you need to read the Bible through context. You provided John 6:29 as proof text that you can believe without Yahweh causing your faith. Just a couple verses later in the same book of John . John 6:44 No One Can Come To Me Unless The Father Who Sent Me Draws Him. So the Greek word for draws is ( Helko ) . The strong concordance definition is ( Drags ) him. . The verse you provided refutes your own argument . John 6;29 ( The work of God ) is this : to believe in the one he has Sent. So it is God's work ( which his work is changing the un regenerated heart that hates Yahweh . To a generated heart ( being born again) that loves Yahweh and wants a personal relationship with him. So when does the work of God happen for that person to believe in the one he has Sent. John 6:37 All that the Father gives to me will come to me and the ones that come to me, I will not cast them out. This process is when the Father gives the person as a gift to the Son . These procedure is called ( being born again) . John 3 5 Yeshua says unless someone is born again of Water and Spirit they can not see the kingdom of heaven. So the Water is not speaking Water Babtism ,but Spiritual Baptism. Water represents purification it is also used in the same context in Ezekiel . I will proof text also 1 Corinthians 2 14 to prove you can not believe have saving Faith without first becoming Born Again. 1 Corinthians 2 14 the Natural Man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him, Nor Are they ( Able To Understand Them) , for they do not have Decrement ( The Holy Spirit within them. So the natural Man is the un regenerated person who is not saved ,he is not able to understand the things of Yahweh ( the mysterious of God ,the cross) for it is foolishness to him. Because he does not have Decrement the Holy Spirit within him. I encourage you to start studying the Bible through a proper hermeneutics. Here is a good Bible study channel on TH-cam channel called Smart Christians. Corey teaches bible studies through historical Contextual Hermeneutics. Corey puts the English translation side by side with the Hebrew and Greek text.
Also James 2 James does not say I will show you my Faith ( Because) of my works. James says I will show you my Faith ( By )my work. If James said ( Because )of my works . You would be correct!! But James says ( By ) my work . James is saying Faith always accompanies Works . Not Works produces Faith .
12:25 2Cor5: 7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)--Enough said.
No, thats not enough. That ignores the rest of scripture. You cant just take one scripture verse and say “this explains all There is to know about this given issue. “
The problem sometimes with Sam is that he believes he is correct all the time - which blinds him to taking on board sound intellectual counter arguments.
12:21.. I spent Christmas, Three of them in a shelter, and I'm nearly sixty years old. It was the trials of the years before, that faith was given, and then grown to maturity. I can't describe the fear mongering that went on in each of those shelters, but God took my brokenness and the Faith He gave me And.. produced the impossible. Like Daniel and the lions den miracle. Narcissist have a rude awakening ahead of them.
I would hate to hear Jesus say flee from me because I never knew you because I did not live out my faith. Too many live in the world while verbally saying they believe.
@JesusIsWayTruthandLife LOL this is ironic. That verse literally has people saying "We did wonderful works in your name" and Jesus said "I never knew you." What a funny self own on your part.
Do protestants don't have the verse in James where it says faith without works is a dead faith?
Or the rogue Catholic priest Luther removed it like other 8 books?
Satan believes. Does he abide in his word ? no. Belief is not sufficient. Faith is not faith until you act on it Sam should not even waste his time arguing with him.
Yeshua didn’t take on an angels body to die for their sins, He took on a mans body then offered it as a sacrifice, the fallen angels were denied redemption because they were already close to God in the spirit realm and knew the full truth but still chose to rebel. You can’t use the Devil as an example of faith + works. You’re saved by grace through faith in that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God not of works lest any man should boast…
@@raydrew201Yes we are saved by what Christ did for us by putting our faith in him but that faith we put in him also encompasses obedience to him and doing the works he commanded us to do,that is Faith
satan knows
And obeying is ?? Praying rosary to lady Carmel to get souls out of purgatory or believing in Hebrew 10?
@@AceRamonaspot on brethren, to me Calvinist are "believers" who love their sin and use this sorry excuse to trample the blood of our Lord and Savior under foot
He really demonstrated that the other guy was wrong! What a great God we have. I'm glad we have people like him to make clear what the word is saying and not get caught up in what it clearly isn't saying.
Faith like love is an action!!
Faith is in the heart and mind, shown by the mouth, the third in the cross was the ultimate example, he could not move his limbs to do action, but the belief in his mind and heart sequestered Yeshua to remember him and it was granted. You all are gravely mistaken.
@@raydrew201another Bible butcher taking an exception and applying it as the norm,the thief that didn’t go to church or read the Bible or get baptized
No it isnt. The man on the cross has faith in Jesus and did absolutely NOTHING but believe in Jesus. You guys love trying to insert works when the Bible says you are saved by faiths and NOT OF WORKS. Faith is not works..
@@songohan7331 You’re taking an exception to the norm and deriving your nonsense doctrines, Jesus says for you to enter the kingdom of God, you MUST born of water and spirit but thief didn’t get baptized so does that means Jesus’s promise is fake, of course not,Jesus says you are saved by doing the works of God which is believing in him but Jesus also defines believing as a work (John 6:26-29) in him as abiding in his word and obeying him
Nothing says the thief on the cross is any exception to the norm though: he came to saving grace in Yeshua the same way we all must.
One takes the action to believe. So belief comes from one's action to believe.
🤦♂️ That closing statement by Sam was uncomfortable to listen to. When ALL It should’ve been was “Jesus I trusted in u ALONE, for I am nothing without u n I’ll never be righteous without u. All I could do was trust u alone n not myself at all”. But instead He explained to Jesus at length that he trusted allll the previous elders about what Gods word means n then followed them into a hole 🕳️ blind leading the blind, oppose to trusting in Jesus himself alone. Why are most of the world not saved? When most of the world calls themselves Christian? There HAS to be something wrong with most of them. They do not believe in Jesus. They trust themselves.
Exactly. I really don't get why people don't understand this concept. It's so, so simple. And yet at the same time, I was under a works spell for a long time. The deception is deep.
What a deranged take on the closing comments, it's as if the the previous discussion didn't happen.
Trust in Jesus alone? Did you clip that man made doctrine from scripture aka sola scriptura? How do you know that early believers in the first three centuries believed in this 12 or 15th century man made doctrine called sola fide, without having access to the scripture that was not canonized at that time? Who taught them what was in the scripture during that time? I bet your answer is it was not the church fathers but some scholar like your modern day pastor?
@ the Bible says to. N it says worketh NOT but believeth on Jesus for salvation. What makes true Christianity different from EVERY OTHER religion? The fact that it’s a free gift, we don’t have to work for it. If u think u are more righteous than most ppl n think that plays a role in ur salvation then ur likely not even saved. We are nothing. We are trash n sinful. Ur works don’t mean a danm thing in ur salvation. The sacrifice is the only thing that means anything in ur salvation.
@ every single religion says u gotta do enough good to be saved lol. If u think that then ur trusting in yourself. Not Jesus
13:50...
For Example... what if i am the devil.
1>-do you believe i exist?
2>-do you believe i can tell truth (like quoting scriptures)?
3>do you believe me to the point of obeying me, if i tell you that eating the apples will give you power to fly?
TRUE SAVING FAITH IS ANSWERING YES TO ALL 3 QUESTIONS TO GOD WITHOUT IMPEDIMENT OF YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS.
I like how J.D. conducted himself and went to scripture.
Sam, you're the man, but don't be so stubborn as to not accept a good argument.
JD arguments are pathetic
@AceRamona I respectfully disagree
Weak argument
and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
- Acts 15:9.
Something God does and by which we react to.
Pastors has always false theology & arrogant
Yes, faith save ,as written
Romans 4 (KJV)
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⁴ Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
⁵ But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
The Scriptures are crystal clear that salvation is by faith alone, totally exclusive of our works. Including good works you are boasting. In salvation, God alone gets the true honour and glory:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9.
Heb 11:1 defines Faith as the “…substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” So it’s not just believing in God, but also believing God. The action part or works, is the fruit of Faith. If Abraham left his homeland, its beauties had faith. He took Isaac to be sacrificed because he had faith that God would provide the lamb to sacrifice. His works were merely an indication that he believed God.
I explain to my students, faith is 2 parts: knowing and acting.
Bible says in 2 Timothy 2 … that IF WE ARE FAITHLESS … he abides faithful and CAN NOT REJECT HIMSELF
What does that even mean. Because one verse earlier it says if you deny him, he will deny you. Where is faith in denial? Think deeper
@ deny me of WHAT? Reigning with him … not salvation stay in the context … when he sees us he looks past the flesh and see the Spirit of Jesus … which is himself and can not reject us bcuz we have HIS SPIRIT
Not everyone will have the same rank in heaven
@@SpeeAD Modern beast system doctrine follower Ill ask again since you had trouble there. ONE verse earlier, he said if you deny Jesus he will deny you. How can you deny Jesus in faith. Youre stumbling over yourself
@@SpeeAD Modern doctrine of beast system follower, what is said to happen if you deny Jesus
@ it depends on WHAT DISPENSATION FOOL …. In the Dispensation of Grace… you lose rank and rewards (1 Corinthians 3) …. Outside of it … you lose salvation 2 Timothy is talking to the Body of Christ … in the DISPENSATION OF GRACE … when did it start and When does it end ? started around 37 - 43 AD (officially after 70AD) … ENDS : The Rapture … and everyone left on earth has to go back to LAW (faith and works) …. We (body of Christ) are Faith alone
Abraham believed he didn't sit what he did, and he believed, and he acted, and he obeyed. Faith alone won't save you. Open your heart. And act alone won't save you either.
“To him that worketh not but beliveth on him that justifyeth the ungodly his faith is counted for rightousness”
“Our works are as filthy rages to the lord”
Romans 4:2
“For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.”
For by grace are ye saved through faith. And that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God.
Not of works lest any man should boast.
It's so easy to bring the mind of flesh into this. When reading the Word of GOD. You must be kingdom minded not worldly minded.
Excellent discussion on both sides.
Their discussion on faith and faithful, believing, excellent points. The family discussion, also excellent points on both sides, Sam wins that one by a hair, but excellent discussion.
I like to understand in simpler terms, belief is the noun, faith is the verb.
Faith is literally putting your belief into action.
Faithfulness is the entire movie and not just a snap shot at a particular point in time.
Not only are there different types of faith and belief, but they are also used and defined in different ways.
What would you say to me if I say "I love my son" but I don't spend time with him, I don't care for him when he's sick, I don't answer him when he has questions, I don't give him any attention, I don't buy him food when he's hungry..., doing all that when I am able to? What would you say about my love for my son if I act like that?!
I would say your love is dead. I would say you have no true love for your son. 👍 I would say you never had true love for your son to begin with.
@jessicaaguilera4526 thank you. That's what I expect. While it's true doing those thing may not means "love", but if you say you love someone, you are expected to do many of those things. The same can be said with faith. While being obedient may not because of faith, but saying to have faith required to be obedient.
Works are the results of your salvation and faith in Christ. Yes if someone claims to love someone and all their actions contradict that then they don't really love them. That's what 1 john talks about. The issue is when you claim that because faith results in works that therefore the works are required for salvation. That's the issue with catholicism. The salvation comes first and the works follow from salvation. To claim the works and faith go together to bring about salvation is to misunderstand what Christ did. You're saved and then you live it out.
Sam is claiming that the works you do are faith itself. Romans 4:5 ESV
And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
If faith is the action then what is paul talking about ?
@@michaelharrison8586 the salvation comes first then works MUST follow, for Jesus said so Himself, you believe him, then you must abide in Him, and when you abide in Him, you must bear fruit, if you abide in Him (meaning you trust Him, have faith in Him) but you decided to not bear fruit (or not to do any works, good works or the works He commanded), you will be taken away, cast away, and throw into the fire. The Faith that saved is the faith with works, for faith without works is dead. You have faith in God, trust in Him, then whatever He commanded, you do it, and do not explain away. Jesus say to eat the flesh and blood of the Son of Man (which is presenced in the Eucharist) to have life, I will go and eat that flesh and blood. Jesus said to get baptized, I go get baptized. Jesus said to pray for the my enemy, I pray for my enemy (which is intecede for others), Jesus said to go and help the poor, I go and help the poor. Jesus said to spread the Gospel, I go and spread the Gospel (if He intended that for my life). I don't explain away, saying "figurative", or use the thief on the cross as an excuse not to do them (for I am able to do all those things, not like that thief who was not able to do anything, if I am disable or lay on my deathbed, the case for the thief on the cross may applied to you, but I am not, and if I use that thief as an excuse, I am worse than that thief). I do works, because my LORD and Savior commanded me to, plain and simple.
Faith and works are different that’s why James says faith without works is dead
But the thief on the cross had faith but no works
Faith comes and works follow Jesus says go and we say yes (faith) and then we walk (works)
But if we don’t work we are disobedient but not unsaved and God may chastise us because he loves us …
Gen 15:6 - Abraham believed without doing anything and was accounted to him for Righteousness
They both reveal that JD Vance is more sharp within the first 5:03.
John 8 & Hebrews 3 is comparing “abiding,” in God like a person remaining in a house - which is what truly saves . The Jews Jesus is arguing with in John 8:31 “believed,” (Pisteuo), but they did NOT “abide,” or “continue,” (meno) in Gods house which saves - this is what Sam is focusing on, which he’s right, but there is in fact a distinction between “believing,” & “abiding.” You both sharpened me thank you brothers.
Sam is encompassing both words into one to reveal what a true believer looks like & JD Vance is magnifying and distinguishing the two.
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
They should also debate about "indulgences". And how it is not biblical, using it to pay off punishment.
If i were to say i abide by the law (man's law), does that mean that i put my trust in the law to protect me? That i believe in the power of the law to protect me?
If so, then the same will be applied to the Word of God, by abiding in Him and His Word, you put your trust and faith in Him.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 61 helpful votes
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
no works here.
Finish the context, Protestant. The very next verse says, “For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Ephesians 2:10
I won’t lie this protestant pastor made some pretty valid point.
Please explain, does Shamoun believe in faith PLUS WORKS to be justified, or faith ALONE to be justified?
He is a Roman Catholic. As such they will claim that it is Faith alone but in reality Works goes hand in hand with faith i.e. you can't be saved without (their) deeds. Sam used to be Protestant or faith alone; in fact, he uses the knowledge he learned from the Bible, which very few Catholic have, to go against faith alone now. If we are saved by grace through faith alone, people can get saved and then pick the wrong path or religion. Perhaps Sam's relatives, "tribe", country etc. are mostly Catholics and he could not convert them, so he came to the conclusion that perhaps Catholicism is correct. Ego? Who knows, this is my opinion but I could be right.
I had "head knowledge" faith, professed faith, for many years but lived my life in the world as I wanted but went to church on Sunday and prayed. I believed i was a "Christian" just not the best, though I had good intentions. It wasn't until I activated my faith by obeying God's commandments and striving to please God in everything that I do and say did I finally feel God's peace and presence in my life. That was the Ah-ha moment that put my life on track for God. To God be the glory. Eastern Orthodox Christianty helped put me on that track.
I recommend reading, The Faith, An Orthodox Catechism, by Clark Carlton.
Faith is a gift of God
Obedience is the fruit of faith
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:12
James deals with this topic most direct so I am surprised that no one quoted James 2 from around verse 14. Faith without works is dead and not profitable. Does it mean you don't have faith when it's dead? I would say ofcause not. Dead faith is still faith. A dead dog is still a dog but faith. How do you know a dog is alive... Because it moved. And so faith is evident when it creates coinciding works. In most cases we do what we believe. (Please forgive me for using a dead dog in an explanation of faith, thought it would make it easier to understand). Also, how do we know a man is righteous? By his actions, so when we have faith with action that accompany it we display our faith in God (in the case of Christians). So faith comes before works but works should follow to prove your faith. I would say the only real question is what what qualifies as works of faith. If believing is an action could I say that is faith too?
Faith without work is dead. The pastor believes in "Ones save, always save"
If God, in a dream, told you to do nothing, it is believing in God. That is faithful despite doing nothing.
This guy has two meanings of faith.
Faith alone and faith and doing something.
”Believing loyalty”, right? Dr Michael Heiser’s suggestion. I believe that the problem exists in English, like you both agreed. Maybe in other Germanic languages with many words as well.
It does become a problem when the ”faith” word is being stripped of the rich meaning it has in the OT and NT, leading us Western minds to do the dissectioning and subgrouping of meaning of the words we are such experts in doing, separating action from thought. In turn leading to problematic confessions, splitting the Faith into separate parts devoid of that fullness. And we end up with ”absolutes” and other mental gymnastics, that make God a million properties put into a Godhead with three persons.
He is the Son. He is the Father. He is the Holy Spirit. Faith draws you to Him. Faith without action is dead.