‘Modern classic adventure bike’ now that would be amazing, nice thought 🙌🏻. Ive got rid of my Tiger 800xc for the exact reasons you guys mention: really top heavy, I went off road jn Sweden but my that was scary, I felt zero control and I was going extremely slow.. Aside from that: the duckface and the wind buffeting where tremendous (even gave me tinnitus despite wearing earplugs..)
For anyone interested in this bike. I think you should go for it. I have a 2020 model (TT travel edition) and now at 40,000 kms. I live in East Africa where the temperatures soar in one season and in the next you get heavy tropical rains. This bike has held up in all those conditions. I've had no luxury of dealer network so every maintenance job has been done by myself. It is incredibly easy to work on this bike from oil changes to valve clearance checks. You don't have to be an expert to handle this as everything was placed with reach. The gearbox and shaft drive have held up perfectly in these conditions (extremely harsh) and incredibly rough roads over time. A couple of nuts and bolts loosen so you have to be mindful to do an inspection regularly. I've not had any electrical faults in this period with the bike. The roads are almost a 50/50 split between poorly paved bumpy roads and gravel/dirt roads for just about any commute you have. I plan to keep this bike for many more years to come.
@@johnwhite5154 It may take them a very long time, in Europe the Shadow has been history for several years. Honda, who used to make excellent middleweight shaft drive bikes, now only offer chains, more chains and the huge Goldwing.
Rode a shaft (BMW + Suzuki) for miore than thirty years, the last twenty I’ve used chain/sprockets. In my opinion, the old chains were horrible but the modern chain/sprockets are much better for most conditions. I’ve replaced shaft components and - yikes $$$$ + down time waiting for parts. Modern chain/sprockets can be tailored to get the character you want, with minimal maintenance they can last for years. Nothing wrong with shafts either, but after more than a million kilometers of riding - I prefer a final chain drive.
I own a 2021 Moto Guzzi V85tt which I bought new; I'm just coming up on 40,000km, and of 46 bikes I've owned, it rates in the top five. It is the 4th Italian bike I've owned; the other 3 were Ducatis. I use it at work to follow new riders attempting their license test; it has never let me down except for a faulty turn signal switch which was replaced under warranty in less than a day. I have installed the center-stand, Mistral large diameter head pipes, GPR (Italy) exhaust, DNA filter, and Mistral VTwin boost plug. Mine has 5 modes including a rider-configurable off-rode mode which is great for turning off the rear ABS & traction control for loose surfaces, yet still enables full power. It also came with the 3 aluminum boxes, which, along with the cruise control, 400km range, shaft drive, and great wind protection, make it an amazingly good travelling bike. Maintenance is easy; valve adjustments are quick. Since 2021, the tires are tubless, so tire changes are easy as well. Mine is red/ white/ black with a red frame. This bike is a pleasure to own, to ride, to do maintenance on, and to look at. The transverse rocking, and low frequency vibration are the icing on the cake.
Hey man, how have you found the exhaust mods and v-twin boost? any good? I find that my 2019 V85tt is rubbish on the motorway, completely gutless for overtakes! Hearing that it's good in alot of reviews is confusing
@niallmatthews6895 The throttle response is much better with the mods; it will still be a heavy, 80hp bike even with all of those things added. *I also have an XSR900 for when I feel the need for rapid acceleration 😈 and for punishing traffic. So, if you are frustrated with the power output, the V85tt may not be the bike for you.
I am close to 50,000 miles on my 21 V85tt. Literally crossing the USA 3 times. It’s great. I’ll never sell it. It gets tons of attention everywhere I go on it. Never had a problem with dealer service. It’s so easy to work on yourself & half the fun.
I've bought a 2022 V85TT 2 month ago as my first bike and I'm in love with it. It feels super nimble and agile while cornering, it's flickable and at the same time super planted. I can't stress enough how comfortable it is to ride the V85. I've done some day long tours and you always feel like you could keep on going. The motor is super fun and I'd say it is very spot on for this kind of bike. I'm 5'7'' and I have to say that it can feel tall. I have to scoot my butt over to one side to have one foot flat but it still feels very stable and controllable even in constant stop-and-go conditions. That being said, I've managed to drop it, because once it gets over the tipping point, it can be hard to get it back up, even though I'm in quite a good physical shape. But hey, that's what engine guards are for. But that was a good way to find out, that it is quite easy to pick back up and keep going. I knew from the start, that I wanted to take it off-road so I knew It was gonna get some dings and scratches at some point anyways. It might hurt the resale value, but I really don't see myself selling this bike ever because it is everything I could have wanted.
I have a 2019 V85TT and absolutely love it. I bought it as my first big bike back in February this year and have travelled up and down the country on it covering just under 8000 miles so far. It is all day comfortable, fairly economical and just brings a smile to my face every time I throw the leg over. What I also like, and never gave much thought to before buying the bike is how it starts conversations. I can park up in a viewing area in Scotland, a supermarket car park or along the west coast of England and generally specking someone comes over to talk about the bike.
Good luck on trying to get Moto Guzzi to change the way they do things. They have over a 100 yrs of experience in completely missing the market. They make quality motorcycles in fairly small numbers and seem to have no idea how to keep their dealerships, thereby making it very difficult to sell new motorcycles. Glad you get it as regards the Moto Guzzi experience. It really is a special brand that unfortunately most people seem to miss.
Glad to see you review this bike. I've recently looked at one and was blown away by how good it looked in person. Quality and craftsmanship were words that came to mind. Something about all the curves on it reminded me of an old sailing ship.
I mean this with all respect to you both. I'm shocked that MotoGuzzi have yet to offer you both jobs with how much you both praise their bikes character.
Not a fun boy, own moto guzzi V7 special... Darcy has the point - V7 and guzzis in general are so fun to ride. Achetyp how one motorcycle should look like
I’ve had my Strada for about a month. I wanted something big and squishy enough for comfortable commuting, Sunday rides and light touring, all on tarmac, but I absolutely did not want one of those behemoth adventure bikes which all the Klimmed dentists ride through our village in north Wales every weekend. Got down to the V-Strom 800RE and the Strada, and went with the Strada. Really happy with it so far. It’s like a tractor at idle, but smoothes out nicely once you’re on the move, and my arse gets about three hours out of the seat before it needs a break. The screen is a bit rubbish in the high position, but I just put it down low and it acts like a naked bike. I haven’t found any aftermarket screens for the E5+ V85s as yet, so might sell a kidney and order the taller one off the V85 Travel. Saying that, I’m still waiting for my panniers, so god knows how long it’d take for Piaggio to ship an extra screen.
My brother has a V85TT and he loves it. He also has a V7 stone and a Triumph T100. The more you ride the Guzzi the more you want to ride it. He said it really broke in after 5,000 miles. His mood for the day determines what he rides. They are all different ! So glad you got to ride and review this. He had a lowered option the dealer has. Heoabout 5’4”. Great job on your channel ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 5 stars !
The V85TT is the first bike that I've had in a while that really has me excited to ride the bike itself, not just being out on a ride on a motorcycle. There's just something about it. The term "character" gets used a lot, but it's the honest truth. I also agree that the bike feels smoother after 5000 miles. The suspension seems even more plush, and the engine feels a little more "freed" up. This engine loves to rev and it's just a more engaging bike to ride, which in itself is very satisfying.
@@scottk.8494 my brothers comments about it are just like yours, he’s suggesting I trade my GS in for a TT. Thats a possibility but there aren’t any Guzzi dealers anywhere near me, yet !
Brother here, Hyper pro suspension kit lowers bike 1 inch. A flat seat would be way too tall I think. I have a different screen and added a spoiler which helped immensely. The rear foot rests can be removed but saved the bike when dropped, twice. Mines a 20 20 . Did take a while to become more user friendly, pretty good weather protection and cruise control. Nice to give the throttle hand a rest.
Sometimes dealing with the Italians and their bikes can be frustrating. Slow process of getting parts sometimes (a ‘I’ll get to it when I get to it’ attitude), repair manuals only available in Italian, etc…but there’s no denying that the Italians refuse to compromise on what’s most important. A motorcycle that feels like a motorcycle. Proper performance, sexy and masculine styling, and a strong legendary history behind the brands. Moto Guzzi is no exception to this Italian flair.
This is already the 2024. The previous one was a great bike, but I think that this one is even better. Could be the look, could be the engine, could be the sound... but an ordinary Guzzi lover will love it. I tried it and filmed the previous model and it was a great surprise. Nice video like always guys. Keep it up. Cheers.
I used to have a 160HP V-twin ADV bike - the KTM 1290 Super Adventure. "A sport bike with suspension" is exactly right. But mine was a 2016 model, and I hear that the newer ones are more refined. Nice to see the V85 Strada getting some praise; the V85 series bikes are all fantastic. On one hand, I agree that a "modern classic" ADV would look pretty cool. On the other hand, we sort of have that already in the scrambler genre of bikes. Take a scrambler and put some taller suspension on it, crash bars, luggage. I saw a BMW R9T done-up like that awhile back and it looked very cool.
Great review. I love my V7 and I ride it almost every day. One of my best mates has a V85TT and it's a gem, as you would expect from Moto Guzzi. Good to see you do an intelligent review of an adventure bike. They're a barrel of fun and deserve their place in biking culture. The Guzzi V85 holds its own versus the BMWs and Yams over here in Spain, there are plenty on the road.
While I have not yet had the pleasure of eiding the V85, I can tell you the Moto Guzzi twins appreciate being wrung out. If you get another chance, try to hold your gears a bit longer. Just my .02 Excellent review, love your content! Cheers from Vermont, USA!
If you want more torque, click down a gear. That's what gear boxes do. Convert engine power to some ratio of torque to rpm at the rear wheel. 1st gear, high torque/low speed. 6th gear low torque high speed. Just like a bicycle. Do you ever get more torquey when you pedal a bicycle? In any event, I'm am getting really close to buying one of these. Gotta sell something first though.
Haha, so they didn't sort out wind management on the new model? I am on a 2023 model and it has been a real pain to make it work. The best result for me was with Puig screen for touring. Apart of that, sweet bike.
I purchased a V85TT in June,absolutely love the bike,a joy to ride and proper old school with the air cooled engine,absolutely love it,great video as always,keep it up Gents.👍🏻
V85 is the most comfortable bike I've ever owned,few mods and it's pretty much perfect, touring screen decat pipe and booster plug aprilia mudgard fits straight on to make it look better,she's all sorted,got over 500 ikr out of a tank, u believable
Love my v85. It's the perfect bike for long rides through the countryside. I've ended up on roads and logging trails I certainly shouldn't have as well...is it great for off road? No...not really. Will it get you out? Yeah, it's just capable enough to go just about anywhere, so long as you take it easy.
I'm just waiting for my V85 strada to arrive (it has left the factory, so it should be with me soon). I had a GS1250, which was stolen. The GS was a wonderful bike, but it's big and heavy, and expensive to buy and run. Although it had plenty of power the number of times that I used full power was minimal, and I know (from my experience) that in the real world a smaller bike can keep up with a big bike (except for maybe on a drag strip or race track), you might just have to change gear a bit more. I took a V85 for a test ride into the country and really enjoyed it. Yes there are a few things that a GS does better, but enough to justify the 2x price difference?
Nice review guys. I've been a huge Moto Guzzi fan for years and have owned five of them including the V85TT. I love their simplicity and shaft drive. However, the V85's biggest hit is the seat style and weight. I switched to the Aprilia Tuareg 660 and it is by far a much better adventure bike. It has a flat seat so you can position yourself in different spots on long rides. It also is 55Lbs lighter and has a vastly superior suspension. No comparison. It also carries its weight low with the design of the fuel tank. The only part of the MG that beats out the Tuareg is its shaft drive. Love the MGs but not as adventure bikes. Also agree that if they worked a retro adventure bike into their line up it would be an improvement over the Stelvio and V85s looks. Here's hoping.
After 6 ducati's i bought the 25- 850tt. Pleasantly surprised, very comfortable with a nice bit of torque, perfect for b roads, not so much major highways unless you want to stay around 115klm and have cars pass you by which i don't mind at all on this bike. Guess I'm getting old(69) to keep me young in mind i kept the 09 hypermotard
Beautiful bike, the best looking of theV85 series in my view but please test the V85TT travel version with all the bells and whistles including tubeless wire wheels, adjustable windscreen, heated grips etc.
I just acquired a 2021 Moto Guzzi V85TT Centenario (centennial edition) with only 15,000 miles. So far, I've had the same reaction you guys did. It's a terrific bike, lighter, smaller, and less intimidating than the BMW 1250GS. I'm 6-4 with a 34-inch inseam, and the Moto Guzzi fits me fine, although I may invest in a raised seat.
Beautiful jacket Mr Darcy! You always looking sharp with your motorcycle gear. I've always seen myself as a sort of "accessory" to my bike lol, so I try to have stylish gear as well to match the ride
@@tomoates8568 thank you 😊 that particular jacket is a Fuel jacket and most of my gear is from XL Moto their link is in the video description and worth checking out. Yes getting the right gear is very important for both of us 👍🏼
I have to say that most "Adventure bikes", never go off road and are bought for the seating position and handlebars and leg room. You can see why when both of you sit on the bike knowing how tall you are. It just feels more roomy to move about on and reduces fatigue. One thing I love about this bike is the dual front lights. It makes it have a good road presence
I own a V7 850, previously I has a V7 II. The V85 is always in my mind as a the first option if I go back to a trail bike (previous one I had with this style was a Super Tenere 1200... miss that bike a lot).
I have a 22 Adventure, came with the aluminium cases and top box - perfect for longer trips! I have only 2 complaints: even with an aftermarket windshield, the buffeting is moderate+ at 70+mph, secondly it is top heavy! Maybe not bad for an ADV bike but it's still well over 500lb so takes some muscle to pick up.
Fantastic video, guys! The ol' man really cracks me up with his quips and observations. I think he really struggled to hold back on a couple of points during his review 😂
Once the 2024 version came out, I traded my v7 850 for the 2024 Travel model. Best bike I've ever had in my motorcycling career IMO. Can't wait to sign for the Moto Guzzi Experence tour! FYI all the v85tt engine has a much bigger throttle body and lighter internal engine components than the v7 850. Hence the additional power ;)
Close. Variable valve timing allows a better low-end specific tune that doesn't sacrifice top end when the VVT works to make the engine tune at both RPM ends more optimal. Sure, the titanium intake valves and such are lighter but those don't make "power", just responsiveness (these engines are not RPM queens!). The combustion chamber's design and filling properties makes the power. I have the 2024 V7 and the 2025 TRAVEL and they are a hoot to drive.
The V85TT is a lovely bike and very underrated, I took one for test ride earlier this year and I came away very impressed , it's got loads of character and is easy to ride, it's well equipped, shaft driven and great value for money, so what's not to like. On the issue with the screen , if you fit the screen from the V85 Travel it cures the problem.
I agree about how nice a classic adventure bike style would be! Yes. One should perhaps meditate on a 1980-83 R80 G/S or, maybe a 1988 R100 GS. But I think the R80 G/S is the conceptual archetype maybe most appropriate vanishing point for perspective wrt a V85. These are fairly nice as they though. It’s just that I am old maybe.
Ummm! Not quite sure on your take here! You do have to change the oil in the shaft drive, it's all part of the maintenance. The screen is adjustable, I think and strada is the road going version. Were you a little mixed up with this bike and the v85tt? The v85 is a beautiful piece of Italian styling and a break away from their classic line up and I feel it is needed.
I traded my 2023 V100S for the 2025 V85 TT TRAVEL after 12,500 miles. I kitted the TRAVEL at the dealer like the STRADA (cast wheels, lower inner fender and removed the bash plat and installed the pipe guards). I went for the TRAVEL as it has the better six-axis anti-lock and traction, the STRADA doesn't. I bought a 2024 STONE 850 model ten and that engine encouraged me to ride the V85TT models. Why do that as I owned the 2023 V100S? Well, that bike is just so hyper and go, go go it get tiresome to ride it. The V7 engine in a long legged chassis, enter the V85TT TRAVEL. The good old air cooled 850 series engines, transmissions, clutch are so well integrated they are a joy to ride. The V100S drive train lash was much looser and with all that power, really hard to be smooth with. No regrets going "backwards" on HP. The suspension on the TT's is great on the street, better than the V100S $$$ Ohlins. The MODES are all, usable as it doesn't re-map the suspension like the V100S where SPORT was riding a board. I just set the V100S TOUR to use SPORT throttle (other maps had a weird lag that was real inconsistent feeling) and called it a day. On the TRAVEL I can keep the suspension as is and just alter the fuel map based on conditions. I seldom need the suspension changed, so leave that alone. Weird too that all the throttle maps are SMOOTH on the V85 TT engine. MG seems to have mapped them pretty well over the years. Also, the seating position is super comfortable. For how I ride, seldom super aggressive, the TRAVEL is really, really nice to be on going down the road. A 50 MPG with a 300 mile range is real on this bike, too. No more hunting for gas all the time. I will say this, the seat on the V7 STONE model 10 is the best I've ever sat on. The TRAVEL gets hard after a few hours, but better than the V100S. So it falls in the middle. Good but not ideal for my butt, YMMV. A mistake to trade to the TRAVEL? The complicated new Guzzi's will be here. I can go back there if need be. The air cooled versions are likely on the way out. I love the easy maintenance and simplicity. My V100's next service was $550.00 in parts alone and add $110.00/hr shop rate. The V100S is too complicated to really be enjoyable working on without all the special tools I don't have. The TRAVEL and V7 both step around all that. Ownership is less costly on the TRAVEL and V7. The zen aspect of all this is on the side of the V7 and TRAVEL, not the V100S that feels like any hyper modern motorcycle sold off the spec sheet. Sure, it does that like everyone wants but now you have basically the same bike as all the rest, too. A sterile appliance that doesn't really turn your crank (ha!) riding it long term. I like the super smooth feel that the V7 and TRAVEL provide with just the right amount of mechanical "conversation" that takes place. More than enough power but more is OK if it doesn't upset the superb current power delivery .
Adventure bikes are the biggest growth market in bike sales. Lots of choice, not all huge behemoth’s. Many riders are now going for the lighter, less powerful mid range bikes. My own Tiger 800 is light enough for me but still has plenty of power for real world riding. The Moto Guzzi is a nice choice, shaft drive too. As for good looking adv bikes, take a look at the Ducati Desert X and Aprilia Tuareg 660. More Italian style.
I agree 100% and been saying for a long time. We need a proper old school adventure bike. Minimal electronics. Scrambler 1200xe was cool but don’t like the electronics. I would love to see Guzzi or bmw or triumph do something that’s a middleweight bike, good suspension travel, and tubeless spoked 19” front.
Totally agree with you, we desperately need more cool looking middle-weight retro-modern adventure or sport touring bikes! The current design trend of all the sharp angles and lines has been a real turn off (looking at you KTM). I want a motorcyle that looks like a "motorcycle", not something that looks like it might turn into a giant robot in the garage when I'm not looking and go fight other transforming robots!
The best bikes for adventure are the small capacity low tech bikes similar to what the locals are riding in underdeveloped counties. They can get places no mid or large adventure bikes can get to , & more chance of spare or parts that fit & being repaired in the middle of nowhere .
Nice review! I'm looking in this segment after 20 years of sports bikes. I dismissed it at first on power levels but I keep getting drawn back (by the looks) and realize I don't need the 150bhp i'm use to. The fact this has shaft drive and tubeless rims on the spoked variant now really puts it in a class of it's own. Also love your jacket Darcy, could you point us in the right direction with it? Thanks!
The green jacket that Darcy is wearing is a Fuel jacket. We did a video about Fuel clothing which is definitely worth watching 👍🏼 NEW Retro Motorycle Gear From The FUEL Heritage Collection th-cam.com/video/D9dTQLtCxtg/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the vid! my 50 cents: In my opinion this *is* a retro looking adventure bike! I very nearly bought the 2019 model in the "McDonalds". livery because it looked like they found a 1990's Paris-Dakar bike still new in the box :) I would also have lowered the wind screen to take the noise level down at the cost of some wind protection. Also, i'd have gone with the V85 TT because spoked wheels (and it was the O.G. 2019 TT that sparked my interest in ths model) Cheers!
I must admit, I like all the motor guzzi’s, always been a fan of the shaft drive as have an old BMW never any bother… but I can’t afford to buy one. It’s just not in my range and I’m not going to buy an old vehicle just in case it gives me bother….. Nonetheless, a great review guys! I did notice when dad sat on the bike that there was very little pillion space … essential when one is carrying loads of gear and taking the misses with you…. I’m not saying for one minute that he occupies too much space, just saying.😅 Also Darcy, I totally accept you are 6‘1“ but it would be handy to know what your length is…. I say this because I am 5 foot 11 and have 34 inch leg…. On some bikes, my knees are around my ears.😂…. It just helps with the perspective….. nonetheless another great review always lovely to see you both at 10ft below sea level 👍
Lovely bike, looks good with you guys sat on it. For myself I would need a ladder to get on it, besides, you ride an adv bike you lose the ability to acknowledge other riders.
I like it looks good not so mammoth like most adventure bikes, not as pretty as yr V7 but quite handsome. I admit I love Guzzi s my first’real’ bike was a 850 eldorado. Thanks so much for the review
Good video guys and that you’re not shying away from being honest. Here’s a suggestion / request…. how about you doing your honest review of a 2024 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro v a 2024 Ducati Desert X. These are two of the best adventure bikes on the market that have loads of low down torque and engines with character. They’re both great to drive off road and on road and bhp is sensible at just over 100 Cheers. Paul
The obvious comparison to this would be the Vstrom 800RE, wouldn't it? Somewhere in the grey area between ADV and sports tourer. I think the "modern classic adventure bike" is about to arrive, it's called the Bear.
Weighs about the same as a KLR650 and the MG is way better on road with a bulletproof engine and my 2005 Nevada 750 Guzzi is still going strong and you can do most maintenance yourself.
I think I want one. I’ve wanted a Guzzi for years but the V7 just hasn’t ever convinced me. I’m willing to sacrifice the shaft drive and “character” for the extra grunt (and arguably better looks) of my T120. But the V85/TT is a different animal and the update is worthy. I was thinking V100 also, but it’s significantly more expensive and water cooled just isn’t Guzzi enough for me.
What a gorgeous motorcycle. I love the V7, but it would have to be the special (the clocks on the standard V7 are horrible, offset and the flashing to change gear is a distraction. Then I spotted the V85 TT in red and silver, wow. I can’t choose. I’m leaning more towards the V85 as I’d like to do some continental touring, but still love the V7 special.
A lot of character in this bike, need to take it out on a test ride. Having said that did not like the V7 in 2022. Brakes were woody, shaft clunky and the same when it comes to gearbox. Was willing to buy it but did not fall in love.
You should try the Pan America, with a V&H muffler, it has lots of character and doesn't look like a generic adventure bike. The Pan Am has lots of power, too much in your comparison, but as a sports tourer in Australia, that can handle our rough roads it is fantastic. I did look at the V85, but the HD I bought was the 2022 Pan America Enthusiasts collection editions, with the green paint and gold army star, and it won my heart with its colour and looks. I do like the V85, maybe as a third bike. I have the short tinted screen on the Pan Am, it is better than the tall screen, and with a deflector on the top, there is no buffeting at the helmet. Adventure bike, how many people actually take them on trails or off road? Not a lot I think.
I have actually testdriven the previous model where they had improved the midtorque with something like 25% but still I felt it was week in the midrange. They have improved midtorque in the new version but if it is noticeable, I don't know. The previous model used to have disco going on in the dashboard but I have heard that they sorted it out on this model.
The only thing that scares me is: variable valve timing. Depending on how it's done there might be a bit of trouble ahead........................ If there was a dealer near to me I'd be willing to give it a go.
@@caleroby9483 interesting, all i think about is removing the pair system, dna filter velocity stack and full exhaust system and i imagine it would become a powerhouse!
You could consider Triumph's scrambler 1200s (xe more than the x) as modern classic adventure bikes, but you're going to be dropping an expensive and beautiful machine. One good thing about adv bikes - they may look cool (depending) but never pretty & because of that dropping one won't hurt the soul.
The Strada is the street version. The V85tt is more off road focused. I am 5'8 and 30" inseam...had no problem riding the V85tt but strangely I struggle to get the Strada off the center stand. Perhaps they have a lowering kit but for taller riders i think it's ok. This bike reminds me of the Africa Twin Rally version with its terrible weight distribution. It is too tall and very top heavy. I'm glad to say there are much better options for adventure bikes...KTM 790 Adventure for sure but also my Honda Transalp which is much lighter, not top heavy, more torque and horsepower, $2500 cheaper and much better customer support than Moto Guzzi 😅
thanks a lot for your input. I own a V7 special edition since may this year but already feel the urge to "upgrade" to it next spring. unless Guzzi brings that engine to the V7 😎 other than that you mentioned an upgrade to the stock exhaust what would that be a mistral ? keep it up you guys produce the most enjoyable channel, no frills only sheer pleasure. Cheers to that
I do like the v85tt but my old 2004 bmw r1200gs is 4kg lighter a bit more powerful and the old air cooled boxer has plenty of character. The old GS is pretty analogue and the biggesr bonus is that it cost less than £3k so you don't need to cry if you drop it.
@@Tomahawkfalcone Thanks, but at 73 years old, I've got no more desire to wrench. I just want to ride and let the dealer take care of all the maintenance.
It does look a lovely bike, and probably very suitable for both on-road and off-road use. But have you spent any extended time on it’s larger competitors? They do look huge and unwieldy, but we’ve all seen videos of those bikes confidently accessing all sorts of terrain, despite the weight… have you ridden any as yet? TH-cam is certainly my go-to source of info, but I think there are still plenty of bike mags and newspapers being bought every week, when I look on my newsagents shelves. Looking forward to the new Trumphs coming to your channel soon!
Used to believe “character” describing a bike was a euphemism for old ‘n faulty. Now that I’m old ‘n faulty myself, being described as having character ain’t so bad. Hmmm, wonder if the doc can fit me up with some of them variable valves?
Fair play to you lads for getting out of your comfort zone. I know you probably puked first before set foot over adv bike haha but many riders there have them regardless love for cruisers and bobbers etc. Adv bikes are fit for purpose, I considsr them "tools" trash them and abuse them while travelling. For some riders they are neccesity. Ta for this review. Cheers from Poland.
‘Modern classic adventure bike’ now that would be amazing, nice thought 🙌🏻.
Ive got rid of my Tiger 800xc for the exact reasons you guys mention: really top heavy, I went off road jn Sweden but my that was scary, I felt zero control and I was going extremely slow..
Aside from that: the duckface and the wind buffeting where tremendous (even gave me tinnitus despite wearing earplugs..)
@@Here.there.andaware it already exists. Triumph scrambler 1200
@@Adventure_blac indeed that is a beautiful ride
@@Here.there.andawareLovely looking bike but small tank and also very top heavy.
It weighs the same as my 150 hp 1190 KTM. 😂
For anyone interested in this bike. I think you should go for it. I have a 2020 model (TT travel edition) and now at 40,000 kms. I live in East Africa where the temperatures soar in one season and in the next you get heavy tropical rains. This bike has held up in all those conditions. I've had no luxury of dealer network so every maintenance job has been done by myself. It is incredibly easy to work on this bike from oil changes to valve clearance checks. You don't have to be an expert to handle this as everything was placed with reach. The gearbox and shaft drive have held up perfectly in these conditions (extremely harsh) and incredibly rough roads over time. A couple of nuts and bolts loosen so you have to be mindful to do an inspection regularly.
I've not had any electrical faults in this period with the bike.
The roads are almost a 50/50 split between poorly paved bumpy roads and gravel/dirt roads for just about any commute you have.
I plan to keep this bike for many more years to come.
Agree totaly.Have my 2023 V85tt 45000km.not a single complain...
Regards from Malawi on a F800 GS
Great to know thanks
@@thomasorlowski4839 Seems Guzzi's are as long durable as Suzuki VStrom's.
Moto Guzzi, the last manufacturer that still offers shaft drive on bikes under 1200 cc, all others can only offer a dirty chain. Forza Guzzi!
Honda has dispatched the shadow to join the chat… no point in waiting around it will take them awhile to get here
@@johnwhite5154 It may take them a very long time, in Europe the Shadow has been history for several years. Honda, who used to make excellent middleweight shaft drive bikes, now only offer chains, more chains and the huge Goldwing.
Rode a shaft (BMW + Suzuki) for miore than thirty years, the last twenty I’ve used chain/sprockets. In my opinion, the old chains were horrible but the modern chain/sprockets are much better for most conditions. I’ve replaced shaft components and - yikes $$$$ + down time waiting for parts. Modern chain/sprockets can be tailored to get the character you want, with minimal maintenance they can last for years. Nothing wrong with shafts either, but after more than a million kilometers of riding - I prefer a final chain drive.
…or a belt..
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Yes, also over a million miles, but the past twenty five years on belts and they are the ultimate champions
I own a 2021 Moto Guzzi V85tt which I bought new; I'm just coming up on 40,000km, and of 46 bikes I've owned, it rates in the top five. It is the 4th Italian bike I've owned; the other 3 were Ducatis.
I use it at work to follow new riders attempting their license test; it has never let me down except for a faulty turn signal switch which was replaced under warranty in less than a day.
I have installed the center-stand, Mistral large diameter head pipes, GPR (Italy) exhaust, DNA filter, and Mistral VTwin boost plug.
Mine has 5 modes including a rider-configurable off-rode mode which is great for turning off the rear ABS & traction control for loose surfaces, yet still enables full power.
It also came with the 3 aluminum boxes, which, along with the cruise control, 400km range, shaft drive, and great wind protection, make it an amazingly good travelling bike.
Maintenance is easy; valve adjustments are quick. Since 2021, the tires are tubless, so tire changes are easy as well.
Mine is red/ white/ black with a red frame.
This bike is a pleasure to own, to ride, to do maintenance on, and to look at.
The transverse rocking, and low frequency vibration are the icing on the cake.
Hey man, how have you found the exhaust mods and v-twin boost? any good? I find that my 2019 V85tt is rubbish on the motorway, completely gutless for overtakes! Hearing that it's good in alot of reviews is confusing
@niallmatthews6895 The throttle response is much better with the mods; it will still be a heavy, 80hp bike even with all of those things added.
*I also have an XSR900 for when I feel the need for rapid acceleration 😈 and for punishing traffic.
So, if you are frustrated with the power output, the V85tt may not be the bike for you.
I am close to 50,000 miles on my 21 V85tt. Literally crossing the USA 3 times. It’s great. I’ll never sell it. It gets tons of attention everywhere I go on it. Never had a problem with dealer service. It’s so easy to work on yourself & half the fun.
2400 Miles on my 2023 Travel.
Sooooo many plans for travel I'm making...!
Thanks for the Inspiration.
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I've bought a 2022 V85TT 2 month ago as my first bike and I'm in love with it. It feels super nimble and agile while cornering, it's flickable and at the same time super planted. I can't stress enough how comfortable it is to ride the V85. I've done some day long tours and you always feel like you could keep on going. The motor is super fun and I'd say it is very spot on for this kind of bike. I'm 5'7'' and I have to say that it can feel tall. I have to scoot my butt over to one side to have one foot flat but it still feels very stable and controllable even in constant stop-and-go conditions. That being said, I've managed to drop it, because once it gets over the tipping point, it can be hard to get it back up, even though I'm in quite a good physical shape. But hey, that's what engine guards are for. But that was a good way to find out, that it is quite easy to pick back up and keep going. I knew from the start, that I wanted to take it off-road so I knew It was gonna get some dings and scratches at some point anyways. It might hurt the resale value, but I really don't see myself selling this bike ever because it is everything I could have wanted.
I have a 2019 V85TT and absolutely love it. I bought it as my first big bike back in February this year and have travelled up and down the country on it covering just under 8000 miles so far.
It is all day comfortable, fairly economical and just brings a smile to my face every time I throw the leg over.
What I also like, and never gave much thought to before buying the bike is how it starts conversations. I can park up in a viewing area in Scotland, a supermarket car park or along the west coast of England and generally specking someone comes over to talk about the bike.
Good luck on trying to get Moto Guzzi to change the way they do things. They have over a 100 yrs of experience in completely missing the market. They make quality motorcycles in fairly small numbers and seem to have no idea how to keep their dealerships, thereby making it very difficult to sell new motorcycles. Glad you get it as regards the Moto Guzzi experience. It really is a special brand that unfortunately most people seem to miss.
I absolutely love dual round headlights. I wish more manufacturers went back to those
I'm in my 70's. I don't drive or ride at night unless I'm on my V85. The twin headlights are spectacular.
“Modern classic adventure bike”? This is exactly what Moto Guzzi had in mind with the V85 and succeeded. I love mine.
Glad to see you review this bike. I've recently looked at one and was blown away by how good it looked in person. Quality and craftsmanship were words that came to mind. Something about all the curves on it reminded me of an old sailing ship.
I’ve a V85 ‘24 model. The Strada is the town version. The TT is the off-road version. As for the windscreen it’s adjustable.
I think 🤔 the TT 850 has a tad less hp & more torque so a different remap.There are a few models ranging from 76hp-80hp depending on model.
I mean this with all respect to you both. I'm shocked that MotoGuzzi have yet to offer you both jobs with how much you both praise their bikes character.
Not a fun boy, own moto guzzi V7 special... Darcy has the point - V7 and guzzis in general are so fun to ride. Achetyp how one motorcycle should look like
I’ve had my Strada for about a month. I wanted something big and squishy enough for comfortable commuting, Sunday rides and light touring, all on tarmac, but I absolutely did not want one of those behemoth adventure bikes which all the Klimmed dentists ride through our village in north Wales every weekend. Got down to the V-Strom 800RE and the Strada, and went with the Strada. Really happy with it so far. It’s like a tractor at idle, but smoothes out nicely once you’re on the move, and my arse gets about three hours out of the seat before it needs a break. The screen is a bit rubbish in the high position, but I just put it down low and it acts like a naked bike. I haven’t found any aftermarket screens for the E5+ V85s as yet, so might sell a kidney and order the taller one off the V85 Travel. Saying that, I’m still waiting for my panniers, so god knows how long it’d take for Piaggio to ship an extra screen.
My brother has a V85TT and he loves it. He also has a V7 stone and a Triumph T100. The more you ride the Guzzi the more you want to ride it. He said it really broke in after 5,000 miles. His mood for the day determines what he rides. They are all different ! So glad you got to ride and review this. He had a lowered option the dealer has. Heoabout 5’4”. Great job on your channel ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ 5 stars !
Thanks 😊
The V85TT is the first bike that I've had in a while that really has me excited to ride the bike itself, not just being out on a ride on a motorcycle. There's just something about it. The term "character" gets used a lot, but it's the honest truth. I also agree that the bike feels smoother after 5000 miles. The suspension seems even more plush, and the engine feels a little more "freed" up. This engine loves to rev and it's just a more engaging bike to ride, which in itself is very satisfying.
@@scottk.8494 my brothers comments about it are just like yours, he’s suggesting I trade my GS in for a TT. Thats a possibility but there aren’t any Guzzi dealers anywhere near me, yet !
Brother here, Hyper pro suspension kit lowers bike 1 inch. A flat seat would be way too tall I think. I have a different screen and added a spoiler which helped immensely. The rear foot rests can be removed but saved the bike when dropped, twice. Mines a 20 20 . Did take a while to become more user friendly, pretty good weather protection and cruise control. Nice to give the throttle hand a rest.
Also surprisingly agile for a bigger bike. I have metzlers on it and handles great on the road.
Sometimes dealing with the Italians and their bikes can be frustrating. Slow process of getting parts sometimes (a ‘I’ll get to it when I get to it’ attitude), repair manuals only available in Italian, etc…but there’s no denying that the Italians refuse to compromise on what’s most important. A motorcycle that feels like a motorcycle. Proper performance, sexy and masculine styling, and a strong legendary history behind the brands. Moto Guzzi is no exception to this Italian flair.
This is already the 2024. The previous one was a great bike, but I think that this one is even better. Could be the look, could be the engine, could be the sound... but an ordinary Guzzi lover will love it. I tried it and filmed the previous model and it was a great surprise. Nice video like always guys. Keep it up. Cheers.
People don't understand. My v85tt is amazing. I'm 50 years old and I've had them all.
Some don't, I agree.
We DO.
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I used to have a 160HP V-twin ADV bike - the KTM 1290 Super Adventure. "A sport bike with suspension" is exactly right. But mine was a 2016 model, and I hear that the newer ones are more refined. Nice to see the V85 Strada getting some praise; the V85 series bikes are all fantastic. On one hand, I agree that a "modern classic" ADV would look pretty cool. On the other hand, we sort of have that already in the scrambler genre of bikes. Take a scrambler and put some taller suspension on it, crash bars, luggage. I saw a BMW R9T done-up like that awhile back and it looked very cool.
Great review. I love my V7 and I ride it almost every day. One of my best mates has a V85TT and it's a gem, as you would expect from Moto Guzzi. Good to see you do an intelligent review of an adventure bike. They're a barrel of fun and deserve their place in biking culture. The Guzzi V85 holds its own versus the BMWs and Yams over here in Spain, there are plenty on the road.
While I have not yet had the pleasure of eiding the V85, I can tell you the Moto Guzzi twins appreciate being wrung out. If you get another chance, try to hold your gears a bit longer. Just my .02
Excellent review, love your content!
Cheers from Vermont, USA!
I love your all conversational style and side comments all during the review of the bikes. Keep it up!
If you want more torque, click down a gear. That's what gear boxes do. Convert engine power to some ratio of torque to rpm at the rear wheel. 1st gear, high torque/low speed. 6th gear low torque high speed. Just like a bicycle. Do you ever get more torquey when you pedal a bicycle?
In any event, I'm am getting really close to buying one of these. Gotta sell something first though.
Haha, so they didn't sort out wind management on the new model? I am on a 2023 model and it has been a real pain to make it work. The best result for me was with Puig screen for touring. Apart of that, sweet bike.
I purchased a V85TT in June,absolutely love the bike,a joy to ride and proper old school with the air cooled engine,absolutely love it,great video as always,keep it up Gents.👍🏻
@@barryjmarling awesome, great to hear 👍🏼
It’s always a great pleasure to watch you guys ! Greetings from Paris
I have the '23 TT . An amazing bike. It has almost 11k km on the clock and i haven't had any problems yet
V85 is the most comfortable bike I've ever owned,few mods and it's pretty much perfect, touring screen decat pipe and booster plug aprilia mudgard fits straight on to make it look better,she's all sorted,got over 500 ikr out of a tank, u believable
Lovely bike and a viable option for those who like a shaft drive but despise Beemers.
All the bmw bikes with shaft drive are much larger capacity.
The Guzzi looks way better than other adventure styled bikes. Still prefer Cruisers and classic bikes the best. Great review guys ❤
Love my v85. It's the perfect bike for long rides through the countryside.
I've ended up on roads and logging trails I certainly shouldn't have as well...is it great for off road? No...not really.
Will it get you out? Yeah, it's just capable enough to go just about anywhere, so long as you take it easy.
I'm just waiting for my V85 strada to arrive (it has left the factory, so it should be with me soon). I had a GS1250, which was stolen. The GS was a wonderful bike, but it's big and heavy, and expensive to buy and run. Although it had plenty of power the number of times that I used full power was minimal, and I know (from my experience) that in the real world a smaller bike can keep up with a big bike (except for maybe on a drag strip or race track), you might just have to change gear a bit more. I took a V85 for a test ride into the country and really enjoyed it. Yes there are a few things that a GS does better, but enough to justify the 2x price difference?
Awesome, enjoy when it arrives 👍🏼
Great video lads.
I’m loving my V100 Mandello S…..
The V85TT is next on the list of things 😍
V100 Engine!
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But the smooth rumbly v85 push rod is classic!
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I replaced my 2023 V100S with the 2025 TRAVEL. Way better day-to-day bike. More fun to ride by far.
Nice review guys. I've been a huge Moto Guzzi fan for years and have owned five of them including the V85TT. I love their simplicity and shaft drive. However, the V85's biggest hit is the seat style and weight. I switched to the Aprilia Tuareg 660 and it is by far a much better adventure bike. It has a flat seat so you can position yourself in different spots on long rides. It also is 55Lbs lighter and has a vastly superior suspension. No comparison. It also carries its weight low with the design of the fuel tank. The only part of the MG that beats out the Tuareg is its shaft drive. Love the MGs but not as adventure bikes. Also agree that if they worked a retro adventure bike into their line up it would be an improvement over the Stelvio and V85s looks. Here's hoping.
After 6 ducati's i bought the 25- 850tt. Pleasantly surprised, very comfortable with a nice bit of torque, perfect for b roads, not so much major highways unless you want to stay around 115klm and have cars pass you by which i don't mind at all on this bike. Guess I'm getting old(69) to keep me young in mind i kept the 09 hypermotard
PS, the bit about the Fens and the pumping station was classic! Top video, mate!
Beautiful bike, the best looking of theV85 series in my view but please test the V85TT travel version with all the bells and whistles including tubeless wire wheels, adjustable windscreen, heated grips etc.
Love my 2023 Travel.
Keeper.
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More or less is same bike like strada
I just acquired a 2021 Moto Guzzi V85TT Centenario (centennial edition) with only 15,000 miles. So far, I've had the same reaction you guys did. It's a terrific bike, lighter, smaller, and less intimidating than the BMW 1250GS. I'm 6-4 with a 34-inch inseam, and the Moto Guzzi fits me fine, although I may invest in a raised seat.
Beautiful jacket Mr Darcy! You always looking sharp with your motorcycle gear. I've always seen myself as a sort of "accessory" to my bike lol, so I try to have stylish gear as well to match the ride
@@tomoates8568 thank you 😊
that particular jacket is a Fuel jacket and most of my gear is from XL Moto their link is in the video description and worth checking out. Yes getting the right gear is very important for both of us 👍🏼
Perfect start on a Saturday morning! 👍🏻
I just bought one of the last leftover 2023s on clearance in the states. Lovely bike. The demo ride really surprised me with its capabilities.
I have to say that most "Adventure bikes", never go off road and are bought for the seating position and handlebars and leg room. You can see why when both of you sit on the bike knowing how tall you are. It just feels more roomy to move about on and reduces fatigue. One thing I love about this bike is the dual front lights. It makes it have a good road presence
I own a V7 850, previously I has a V7 II. The V85 is always in my mind as a the first option if I go back to a trail bike (previous one I had with this style was a Super Tenere 1200... miss that bike a lot).
I have a 22 Adventure, came with the aluminium cases and top box - perfect for longer trips! I have only 2 complaints: even with an aftermarket windshield, the buffeting is moderate+ at 70+mph, secondly it is top heavy! Maybe not bad for an ADV bike but it's still well over 500lb so takes some muscle to pick up.
Fantastic video, guys! The ol' man really cracks me up with his quips and observations. I think he really struggled to hold back on a couple of points during his review 😂
Once the 2024 version came out, I traded my v7 850 for the 2024 Travel model. Best bike I've ever had in my motorcycling career IMO. Can't wait to sign for the Moto Guzzi Experence tour! FYI all the v85tt engine has a much bigger throttle body and lighter internal engine components than the v7 850. Hence the additional power ;)
Close. Variable valve timing allows a better low-end specific tune that doesn't sacrifice top end when the VVT works to make the engine tune at both RPM ends more optimal. Sure, the titanium intake valves and such are lighter but those don't make "power", just responsiveness (these engines are not RPM queens!). The combustion chamber's design and filling properties makes the power.
I have the 2024 V7 and the 2025 TRAVEL and they are a hoot to drive.
Love that little notes about geography 😊
Nice bike but I just don't fancy that sort of motorcycle 😢 ,love ur comments on it because they are spot on
The V85TT is a lovely bike and very underrated, I took one for test ride earlier this year and I came away very impressed , it's got loads of character and is easy to ride, it's well equipped, shaft driven and great value for money, so what's not to like. On the issue with the screen , if you fit the screen from the V85 Travel it cures the problem.
I agree about how nice a classic adventure bike style would be! Yes. One should perhaps meditate on a 1980-83 R80 G/S or, maybe a 1988 R100 GS. But I think the R80 G/S is the conceptual archetype maybe most appropriate vanishing point for perspective wrt a V85. These are fairly nice as they though. It’s just that I am old maybe.
Ummm! Not quite sure on your take here! You do have to change the oil in the shaft drive, it's all part of the maintenance. The screen is adjustable, I think and strada is the road going version. Were you a little mixed up with this bike and the v85tt? The v85 is a beautiful piece of Italian styling and a break away from their classic line up and I feel it is needed.
Sweet looking bike with character and style!!
I love the "modern classic adventure" idea,,, wouldn't the triumph scrambler fit that criteria 🤔?
I traded my 2023 V100S for the 2025 V85 TT TRAVEL after 12,500 miles. I kitted the TRAVEL at the dealer like the STRADA (cast wheels, lower inner fender and removed the bash plat and installed the pipe guards). I went for the TRAVEL as it has the better six-axis anti-lock and traction, the STRADA doesn't. I bought a 2024 STONE 850 model ten and that engine encouraged me to ride the V85TT models.
Why do that as I owned the 2023 V100S? Well, that bike is just so hyper and go, go go it get tiresome to ride it. The V7 engine in a long legged chassis, enter the V85TT TRAVEL. The good old air cooled 850 series engines, transmissions, clutch are so well integrated they are a joy to ride. The V100S drive train lash was much looser and with all that power, really hard to be smooth with. No regrets going "backwards" on HP. The suspension on the TT's is great on the street, better than the V100S $$$ Ohlins. The MODES are all, usable as it doesn't re-map the suspension like the V100S where SPORT was riding a board. I just set the V100S TOUR to use SPORT throttle (other maps had a weird lag that was real inconsistent feeling) and called it a day. On the TRAVEL I can keep the suspension as is and just alter the fuel map based on conditions. I seldom need the suspension changed, so leave that alone. Weird too that all the throttle maps are SMOOTH on the V85 TT engine. MG seems to have mapped them pretty well over the years. Also, the seating position is super comfortable.
For how I ride, seldom super aggressive, the TRAVEL is really, really nice to be on going down the road. A 50 MPG with a 300 mile range is real on this bike, too. No more hunting for gas all the time. I will say this, the seat on the V7 STONE model 10 is the best I've ever sat on. The TRAVEL gets hard after a few hours, but better than the V100S. So it falls in the middle. Good but not ideal for my butt, YMMV.
A mistake to trade to the TRAVEL? The complicated new Guzzi's will be here. I can go back there if need be. The air cooled versions are likely on the way out. I love the easy maintenance and simplicity. My V100's next service was $550.00 in parts alone and add $110.00/hr shop rate. The V100S is too complicated to really be enjoyable working on without all the special tools I don't have. The TRAVEL and V7 both step around all that. Ownership is less costly on the TRAVEL and V7.
The zen aspect of all this is on the side of the V7 and TRAVEL, not the V100S that feels like any hyper modern motorcycle sold off the spec sheet. Sure, it does that like everyone wants but now you have basically the same bike as all the rest, too. A sterile appliance that doesn't really turn your crank (ha!) riding it long term. I like the super smooth feel that the V7 and TRAVEL provide with just the right amount of mechanical "conversation" that takes place. More than enough power but more is OK if it doesn't upset the superb current power delivery .
Adventure bikes are the biggest growth market in bike sales. Lots of choice, not all huge behemoth’s. Many riders are now going for the lighter, less powerful mid range bikes. My own Tiger 800 is light enough for me but still has plenty of power for real world riding.
The Moto Guzzi is a nice choice, shaft drive too.
As for good looking adv bikes, take a look at the Ducati Desert X and Aprilia Tuareg 660. More Italian style.
I agree 100% and been saying for a long time. We need a proper old school adventure bike. Minimal electronics. Scrambler 1200xe was cool but don’t like the electronics. I would love to see Guzzi or bmw or triumph do something that’s a middleweight bike, good suspension travel, and tubeless spoked 19” front.
5:30 seals it. My favourite woods. Of all the low points in my life, you've found the most magical.
Totally agree with you, we desperately need more cool looking middle-weight retro-modern adventure or sport touring bikes! The current design trend of all the sharp angles and lines has been a real turn off (looking at you KTM). I want a motorcyle that looks like a "motorcycle", not something that looks like it might turn into a giant robot in the garage when I'm not looking and go fight other transforming robots!
The best bikes for adventure are the small capacity low tech bikes similar to what the locals are riding in underdeveloped counties. They can get places no mid or large adventure bikes can get to , & more chance of spare or parts that fit & being repaired in the middle of nowhere .
Nice review! I'm looking in this segment after 20 years of sports bikes. I dismissed it at first on power levels but I keep getting drawn back (by the looks) and realize I don't need the 150bhp i'm use to. The fact this has shaft drive and tubeless rims on the spoked variant now really puts it in a class of it's own. Also love your jacket Darcy, could you point us in the right direction with it? Thanks!
The green jacket that Darcy is wearing is a Fuel jacket. We did a video about Fuel clothing which is definitely worth watching 👍🏼
NEW Retro Motorycle Gear From The FUEL Heritage Collection
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@ I will have a watch of that, thank you for replying. All the best 👍🏻
Thanks for the vid! my 50 cents:
In my opinion this *is* a retro looking adventure bike! I very nearly bought the 2019 model in the "McDonalds". livery because it looked like they found a 1990's Paris-Dakar bike still new in the box :)
I would also have lowered the wind screen to take the noise level down at the cost of some wind protection.
Also, i'd have gone with the V85 TT because spoked wheels (and it was the O.G. 2019 TT that sparked my interest in ths model)
Cheers!
I must admit, I like all the motor guzzi’s, always been a fan of the shaft drive as have an old BMW never any bother… but I can’t afford to buy one. It’s just not in my range and I’m not going to buy an old vehicle just in case it gives me bother…..
Nonetheless, a great review guys!
I did notice when dad sat on the bike that there was very little pillion space … essential when one is carrying loads of gear and taking the misses with you…. I’m not saying for one minute that he occupies too much space, just saying.😅
Also Darcy, I totally accept you are 6‘1“ but it would be handy to know what your length is…. I say this because I am 5 foot 11 and have 34 inch leg…. On some bikes, my knees are around my ears.😂…. It just helps with the perspective….. nonetheless another great review always lovely to see you both at 10ft below sea level 👍
Lovely bike, looks good with you guys sat on it. For myself I would need a ladder to get on it, besides, you ride an adv bike you lose the ability to acknowledge other riders.
I’m on my second V85 after GS’s etc. Fabulous characterful bikes with excellent build quality
I like it looks good not so mammoth like most adventure bikes, not as pretty as yr V7 but quite handsome. I admit I love Guzzi s my first’real’ bike was a 850 eldorado. Thanks so much for the review
The V85TT is a great bike, I have owned one for nearly two years, and it is fun to ride. just hit 20,000 miles But, the dealer network is not the best
Good video guys and that you’re not shying away from being honest.
Here’s a suggestion / request…. how about you doing your honest review of a 2024 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro v a 2024 Ducati Desert X.
These are two of the best adventure bikes on the market that have loads of low down torque and engines with character. They’re both great to drive off road and on road and bhp is sensible at just over 100
Cheers.
Paul
We did do the Tiger 900 gt pro 👍🏼
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The obvious comparison to this would be the Vstrom 800RE, wouldn't it? Somewhere in the grey area between ADV and sports tourer. I think the "modern classic adventure bike" is about to arrive, it's called the Bear.
Or maybe the Tiger 900.
Weighs about the same as a KLR650 and the MG is way better on road with a bulletproof engine and my 2005 Nevada 750 Guzzi is still going strong and you can do most maintenance yourself.
I think I want one. I’ve wanted a Guzzi for years but the V7 just hasn’t ever convinced me. I’m willing to sacrifice the shaft drive and “character” for the extra grunt (and arguably better looks) of my T120. But the V85/TT is a different animal and the update is worthy. I was thinking V100 also, but it’s significantly more expensive and water cooled just isn’t Guzzi enough for me.
i have a v7 11 awsum bike love it moto guzzi moves the soul
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What a gorgeous motorcycle. I love the V7, but it would have to be the special (the clocks on the standard V7 are horrible, offset and the flashing to change gear is a distraction. Then I spotted the V85 TT in red and silver, wow. I can’t choose. I’m leaning more towards the V85 as I’d like to do some continental touring, but still love the V7 special.
Can someone tell me what bike that silver scrambler (with the knobbly tyres) is at 10:07 please 👍
Thanks
It’s a Mutt 👍🏼
I love this bike, so much character. It costs 24k pounds equivalent in India thanks to import taxes
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A lot of character in this bike, need to take it out on a test ride. Having said that did not like the V7 in 2022. Brakes were woody, shaft clunky and the same when it comes to gearbox. Was willing to buy it but did not fall in love.
You should try the Pan America, with a V&H muffler, it has lots of character and doesn't look like a generic adventure bike. The Pan Am has lots of power, too much in your comparison, but as a sports tourer in Australia, that can handle our rough roads it is fantastic. I did look at the V85, but the HD I bought was the 2022 Pan America Enthusiasts collection editions, with the green paint and gold army star, and it won my heart with its colour and looks. I do like the V85, maybe as a third bike.
I have the short tinted screen on the Pan Am, it is better than the tall screen, and with a deflector on the top, there is no buffeting at the helmet.
Adventure bike, how many people actually take them on trails or off road? Not a lot I think.
We did try a Pan America, not sure if you saw that one 👍🏼
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You can't really compare the two bikes. They are $10,000+ apart.
I have actually testdriven the previous model where they had improved the midtorque with something like 25% but still I felt it was week in the midrange. They have improved midtorque in the new version but if it is noticeable, I don't know. The previous model used to have disco going on in the dashboard but I have heard that they sorted it out on this model.
The Triumph Scrambler 1200 xe is a modern classic adv bike that I think is being overlooked here..
The only thing that scares me is: variable valve timing. Depending on how it's done there might be a bit of trouble ahead........................ If there was a dealer near to me I'd be willing to give it a go.
Love this bike contemplating downsizing from 1250gs to a guzzi
@@lambo2817 i have a 1250 GS, my brother has a V85TT, I might do the same, I rode his. But a dealer is a few hours away dammit
Go ride a v85, next chance you get.
May... Sway you.
Did me, 2019 African Twin.
@@caleroby9483 interesting, all i think about is removing the pair system, dna filter velocity stack and full exhaust system and i imagine it would become a powerhouse!
You could consider Triumph's scrambler 1200s (xe more than the x) as modern classic adventure bikes, but you're going to be dropping an expensive and beautiful machine. One good thing about adv bikes - they may look cool (depending) but never pretty & because of that dropping one won't hurt the soul.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
But it seems like you want a Triumph Scrambler 1200 with a transverse V-twin.
Correct?😅
Not quite, but on those lines
That will be my next purchase
The Strada is the street version. The V85tt is more off road focused. I am 5'8 and 30" inseam...had no problem riding the V85tt but strangely I struggle to get the Strada off the center stand. Perhaps they have a lowering kit but for taller riders i think it's ok. This bike reminds me of the Africa Twin Rally version with its terrible weight distribution. It is too tall and very top heavy. I'm glad to say there are much better options for adventure bikes...KTM 790 Adventure for sure but also my Honda Transalp which is much lighter, not top heavy, more torque and horsepower, $2500 cheaper and much better customer support than Moto Guzzi 😅
thanks a lot for your input. I own a V7 special edition since may this year but already feel the urge to "upgrade" to it next spring.
unless Guzzi brings that engine to the V7 😎 other than that you mentioned an upgrade to the stock exhaust what would that be a mistral ?
keep it up you guys produce the most enjoyable channel, no frills only sheer pleasure. Cheers to that
Thank you 😊
I do like the v85tt but my old 2004 bmw r1200gs is 4kg lighter a bit more powerful and the old air cooled boxer has plenty of character. The old GS is pretty analogue and the biggesr bonus is that it cost less than £3k so you don't need to cry if you drop it.
If your willing to push your limits and go ''the extra mile'' down that sketchy logging road...you can't be unwilling to drop it.
How does it deal with traffic and heat from the engine ?
@@antonisr827 it's great in traffic and we did not notice any heat from the engine 👍🏼
One of the best bikes I have owned, but dealers and parts supply is horrendous
Living where I do (300 miles away from a Guzzi dealership) stops me from ever having one, particularly if it was my one an only motorcycle.
@@MikeK6046 get an older guzzi, simple to work on and reliable. Leave the modern electrics alone 🤣
@@Tomahawkfalcone Thanks, but at 73 years old, I've got no more desire to wrench. I just want to ride and let the dealer take care of all the maintenance.
Great review. Btw what is the canvas jacket you are wearing in the video please? Thx
It’s a Fuel jacket, can’t remember the model
Great video! What’s that helmet you are using? Cheers
Thanks 😊 If you click on the link in the description to XL Moto and look for a stormer helmet 👍🏼
It does look a lovely bike, and probably very suitable for both on-road and off-road use. But have you spent any extended time on it’s larger competitors? They do look huge and unwieldy, but we’ve all seen videos of those bikes confidently accessing all sorts of terrain, despite the weight… have you ridden any as yet?
TH-cam is certainly my go-to source of info, but I think there are still plenty of bike mags and newspapers being bought every week, when I look on my newsagents shelves.
Looking forward to the new Trumphs coming to your channel soon!
So the Ol'Man doesn't really want this bike at all, what he actually wants is a V7 Scrambler.
Piaggio do the marketing. Guzzi only build 10,000 units per year. That's it and long may it stay that way!
Seems to work...
I have one.
🙂
Perhaps good for rarity value; not for growing a business 👍🏼
I just want a bike that can handle what Steve McQueen did in The Great Escape and I want to be good enough to do all that.
Used to believe “character” describing a bike was a euphemism for old ‘n faulty. Now that I’m old ‘n faulty myself, being described as having character ain’t so bad. Hmmm, wonder if the doc can fit me up with some of them variable valves?
Zen And The Art Of Moto Guzzi Riding.
Fair play to you lads for getting out of your comfort zone. I know you probably puked first before set foot over adv bike haha but many riders there have them regardless love for cruisers and bobbers etc. Adv bikes are fit for purpose, I considsr them "tools" trash them and abuse them while travelling. For some riders they are neccesity. Ta for this review. Cheers from Poland.
Spokes would be a nice touch
This bike could be passed off as a naked type sport bike it looks fantastic.
hmmm, I thought wet weight is 230kg? that's basically tiger 900, right?
So that was a standard muffler? Sounded a bit fruitier than my 23 model.