Ok so here's my suggestions for the mosh pit to get more color. One remove the endler type males because they'll outcompete the fancy types to breed. Secondly the pure fancy strains i would keep the females pure strain & only collect the males offsprings and put them in mosh pit to breed with the mixed mutt females. This way you'll still have pure line & the added benefits of crossing them to the mutt females to satisfy your curiosity of the mixing genes. This way your mosh stock will keep more fancy form & color varieties. For the pure strain females once they're deliver. I'll put them with same Male counterparts to breed/ mate for 2 weeks then separate so the females can put energy towards growing/ incubating eggs/ fry than being stressed by hot Male.. Hopefully this could help you or someone in future. Best of luck...👍👍👍👍
Hey Stephen your channel rocks!! I don't often comment on videos but I need to on yours. Your videos have inspired me to start my own Mosh pit. It's also encouraged me to stop f*cking around with my tank so much and to let nature take its course. I can see results already. Your advice has saved me from hours of stress. The guppy rap was pure genius aswell. By the way is that a Jade plant clipping in the background floating around in the Mosh pit? Keep up the good work dude 👍👍👍
Awesome! The moshpit has brought me joy for 2+ years and counting. Got a time stamp for the plant question? I have bacopa floating in there, probably some stray pieces of anubias too.
I was under the impression that heavy culling for mutt tanks is essential if you at least want to maintain the color. Otherwise it reverts to wild phenotypes. This phenomenon can be seen in many types of fish.
Yes, they definitely will revert to wild phenotypes. I sort of sped up this process accidentally by introducing endler/guppy hybrids to the tank. I should have been culling them on first sight, but I let them go for a while. It's taken me a while to cull them all out, but now I'm on top of it! I really gotta do another update on this tank!
Awesome video brother and love the Jassen link I never did get to send you any mutts I spent while playing with blues ( my favorites) and have lots of different versions I can send you even blue tailed females
Adding new blood to your moshpit at this time is a great idea! Those new fish you got from all those wonderful people will definitely bring back some of the charm you had before selling/giving away those guppies! And yes, that Dumbo Blue Dragon is stunning!!! Thanks for sharing Stephen!
Your mutt livebearer tank has been one of my favorites since I first saw it. Good idea to introduce new genes. Looking forward to seeing the variety when fry from the newly added adults start to color up.
The great thing about guppies is that their appetites are endless, so they will search every crevice of the tank for anything to eat, whether it's uneaten food or bacteria cultures that form in algae and surfaces. That, plus the cherry shrimp and snails, makes for a pretty clean tank!
Awesome looking tank Stephen. Love all the colors in it. If you are still looking for some more blue color i have blue grass guppies from HC Aqua Jesse line.
Makes sense. I like 40b as well. My guppies are spread out in too many tanks and since they are all mutts, I am considering a pit of some kind as well. Probably won't sing about it though :)
You are SO right! Guppies were my first fishy love!! I could never get them to stay alive, until I ordered from a home breeder! I wish I'd thought about it sooner, but I could have brought you some guppies to Aqua-fest. :/ But you've got some beauties there!
Stephen becz the blue dragons are results from Asian blue crossed with red dragon so there's chance of getting reds. You'll need line breeding to ensure more blue dragons etc. Now since the females are contaminated with other strain sperm you'll need to keep that male with females for atleast 4 consecutive breedings before you can get some usable fry to continue forward to get more.. it's not guaranteed but if the Male is constantly with the female dragon especially when giving birth it potentially could improve your chances. I must mention that although the male impregnates the female she has ability to retain, discard or even mix sperm from her internal bank so broods could be sired from multiple fathers..
Yep, I know all the females are "contaminated" by the variety of males. I do know that if you just add in the males you want, they have the ability to override some of the retained sperm for the next drop, so that's the plan for sure. Of course, preserving "pure" strains is far from the goal here! 😆
@@StephenP2003 Yes i understand but you mentioned that you want to try getting more blue dragons. From my experience depending on age of Male. Its usually by 4th consecutive spawn I'll select fry in hopes of getting offsprings from the chosen Male. Again females do control which breeding material for next brood so that's why I select from 4th onwards for breeding stock..
The new additions look gorgeous! Might be worth doing occasional culling of adult males from the mosh pit. Pull the males you don't prefer, leaving more of the males you do prefer to breed with more of the females. 2-3 times a year should be enough to keep more of the diversity. 😊 That's how I manage my guppy colonies for diversity. I pull any males I don't want more of or I don't want as many of. Gives my preferred males more of a chance to breed with the females.
Yep, that's what I've been doing lately. Unfortunately I waited way too long to start doing that, so it's been slow going to get rid of them all (I don't like to just discard/euthanize healthy fish, and I don't have much space for storing them, so I've been giving them away).
@@StephenP2003 Maybe pull almost all the Endler type males out and put them in the tank you currently have the new guppies in, basically switching them out with the new guppies going into the mosh pit? Could be a temporary fix.
Beautiful guppies Sir..😍😍 The moss pit is amazing... unfortunately we try to tame & control nature/genetics but eventually without proper selective breeding they revert back to the wild varieties. It has happened to me & even Segrest farms. Now everyone has there own methods & yours is working best for you but if i could recommend something that would be able to give you more color variants. Now imo the first mistake was to quarantine both sexes together. Now the pure strains have been contaminated with different sperm packets becz lets face it these guppy males have only one thing on their agender. Especially for pure strains especially if the females have distinguishable features from each other i would quarantine females separately from males. This way they remain pure & breed true to strain. If females similar i do that species with males together. You could do 2 separate tanks or have them in marina breeder boxes separated from group or have males in box with females in larger tank area. This way you control breeding.
Ok so here's my suggestions for the mosh pit to get more color. One remove the endler type males because they'll outcompete the fancy types to breed. Secondly the pure fancy strains i would keep the females pure strain & only collect the males offsprings and put them in mosh pit to breed with the mixed mutt females. This way you'll still have pure line & the added benefits of crossing them to the mutt females to satisfy your curiosity of the mixing genes. This way your mosh stock will keep more fancy form & color varieties.
For the pure strain females once they're deliver. I'll put them with same Male counterparts to breed/ mate for 2 weeks then separate so the females can put energy towards growing/ incubating eggs/ fry than being stressed by hot Male..
Hopefully this could help you or someone in future. Best of luck...👍👍👍👍
Spot-on advice!
Looks Awesome I started with a dragon head mosaic male and a sunburst female them I added a male blue moscow and a male white pearl.
Awesome shout out!! I was about to comment that I saw some Hydra!!! 🤣🤣
😁 Yep I noticed it only when I started editing the video. I would've never seen it otherwise.
Just stopping by to say Hi! Not too sure why I couldn’t see you on chat tonight but I will try to figure it out. Cheers!
Hopefully it gets sorted out!
Would love an update on this!
Ok! I'm gonna work on that!
@@StephenP2003 many thanks! been very interesting to see how the moshpit came to be and how it's evolving for sure!
Really cool Guppies, great video
Thanks 👍
Yes! That blue dragon was phenomenal! Please do another mosh pit update!
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Hell yeah i love it and cant wait to see what happens!
Thumbnails are on point 🔥🎯
My goal has always been to make you click without actually lying to you. 😆
I thought you are close to Jadren Aquatics! You should get some of his awesome Guppies!!
He's in Texas and I'm in lousiana so still quite a drive for some guppies! But I'll definitely look into ordering some.
Hey Stephen your channel rocks!! I don't often comment on videos but I need to on yours. Your videos have inspired me to start my own Mosh pit. It's also encouraged me to stop f*cking around with my tank so much and to let nature take its course. I can see results already. Your advice has saved me from hours of stress. The guppy rap was pure genius aswell. By the way is that a Jade plant clipping in the background floating around in the Mosh pit? Keep up the good work dude 👍👍👍
Awesome! The moshpit has brought me joy for 2+ years and counting. Got a time stamp for the plant question? I have bacopa floating in there, probably some stray pieces of anubias too.
I applaud your efforts to get more teal guppies!
Ha, yeah I'm not gonna try that hard! But maybe a miracle will happen!
I was under the impression that heavy culling for mutt tanks is essential if you at least want to maintain the color.
Otherwise it reverts to wild phenotypes.
This phenomenon can be seen in many types of fish.
Yes, they definitely will revert to wild phenotypes. I sort of sped up this process accidentally by introducing endler/guppy hybrids to the tank. I should have been culling them on first sight, but I let them go for a while. It's taken me a while to cull them all out, but now I'm on top of it! I really gotta do another update on this tank!
Awesome video brother and love the Jassen link
I never did get to send you any mutts I spent while playing with blues
( my favorites) and have lots of different versions I can send you even blue tailed females
Awesome, I'll hit you up when I get ready for round 2.
It’s been a while, Great King of the Mosh Pit.😁 I need to get caught up on your videos. Keep up the good work! Best of luck breeding more blues!
Thanks!
Nice thanks for sharing ✌ 👀
Adding new blood to your moshpit at this time is a great idea! Those new fish you got from all those wonderful people will definitely bring back some of the charm you had before selling/giving away those guppies! And yes, that Dumbo Blue Dragon is stunning!!!
Thanks for sharing Stephen!
Awesome vid Stephen. that was so nice to add Jassen's hydra link in there too. you knocked it out of the park again..
I am happy to see such a beautiful colony
Your mutt livebearer tank has been one of my favorites since I first saw it. Good idea to introduce new genes. Looking forward to seeing the variety when fry from the newly added adults start to color up.
Great video! Those are some good looking colorful guppies
Great vid Stephen…thx for sharing…pls keep us updated
I just started a guppy tank with petco Guppies and had the same experience. Tysm for the video sir!
Good catch on the hydra! Would love to send some HB Blues to you.
That would be cool for round 2!
Great vid as always! Can’t wait to see what the new mix will bring to the mosh pit 👍💕
Thanks! Yep, I just gotta get those pesky endler/guppy things out of there or else they'll just keep taking over!
Beautiful guppies Stephen, wow. Excited to see how it changes the mosh pit
Awesome tank!! Thinking of setting up my own 30 gal livebearer mosh pit!! How do you keep that tank so clean??
The great thing about guppies is that their appetites are endless, so they will search every crevice of the tank for anything to eat, whether it's uneaten food or bacteria cultures that form in algae and surfaces. That, plus the cherry shrimp and snails, makes for a pretty clean tank!
Awesome looking tank Stephen. Love all the colors in it. If you are still looking for some more blue color i have blue grass guppies from HC Aqua Jesse line.
Sure thing, I imagine there will be a round 2!
Awesome video Stephen! Very good overview of the tank and story behind the guppies. Love the editing and footage! Keep it up! 👏
Great video again and love the bloopers 👋👋👋
Thank you 😁
Nice and fun! Interesting you found a hydra in a Mosh Pit :) Do I remember correctly that it is a 29g?
The hydra was actually in the 10-gallon quarantine. The moshpit is actually a 40 breeder, my favorite tank size (at least for a 3ft or shorter tank)
Makes sense. I like 40b as well. My guppies are spread out in too many tanks and since they are all mutts, I am considering a pit of some kind as well. Probably won't sing about it though :)
You are SO right! Guppies were my first fishy love!! I could never get them to stay alive, until I ordered from a home breeder! I wish I'd thought about it sooner, but I could have brought you some guppies to Aqua-fest. :/ But you've got some beauties there!
All good, I'm sure there will be a round 2 of guppies!
Stephen becz the blue dragons are results from Asian blue crossed with red dragon so there's chance of getting reds. You'll need line breeding to ensure more blue dragons etc. Now since the females are contaminated with other strain sperm you'll need to keep that male with females for atleast 4 consecutive breedings before you can get some usable fry to continue forward to get more.. it's not guaranteed but if the Male is constantly with the female dragon especially when giving birth it potentially could improve your chances. I must mention that although the male impregnates the female she has ability to retain, discard or even mix sperm from her internal bank so broods could be sired from multiple fathers..
Yep, I know all the females are "contaminated" by the variety of males. I do know that if you just add in the males you want, they have the ability to override some of the retained sperm for the next drop, so that's the plan for sure. Of course, preserving "pure" strains is far from the goal here! 😆
@@StephenP2003
Yes i understand but you mentioned that you want to try getting more blue dragons. From my experience depending on age of Male. Its usually by 4th consecutive spawn I'll select fry in hopes of getting offsprings from the chosen Male. Again females do control which breeding material for next brood so that's why I select from 4th onwards for breeding stock..
Cool update thanks for sharing this with us 👍
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The new additions look gorgeous! Might be worth doing occasional culling of adult males from the mosh pit. Pull the males you don't prefer, leaving more of the males you do prefer to breed with more of the females. 2-3 times a year should be enough to keep more of the diversity. 😊 That's how I manage my guppy colonies for diversity. I pull any males I don't want more of or I don't want as many of. Gives my preferred males more of a chance to breed with the females.
Yep, that's what I've been doing lately. Unfortunately I waited way too long to start doing that, so it's been slow going to get rid of them all (I don't like to just discard/euthanize healthy fish, and I don't have much space for storing them, so I've been giving them away).
@@StephenP2003 Maybe pull almost all the Endler type males out and put them in the tank you currently have the new guppies in, basically switching them out with the new guppies going into the mosh pit? Could be a temporary fix.
@@ReneesZooTube I'm getting ready to set up another 40 breeder for a plant farm, so I think problem will soon be solved!!
Beautiful guppies Sir..😍😍 The moss pit is amazing... unfortunately we try to tame & control nature/genetics but eventually without proper selective breeding they revert back to the wild varieties. It has happened to me & even Segrest farms. Now everyone has there own methods & yours is working best for you but if i could recommend something that would be able to give you more color variants. Now imo the first mistake was to quarantine both sexes together. Now the pure strains have been contaminated with different sperm packets becz lets face it these guppy males have only one thing on their agender. Especially for pure strains especially if the females have distinguishable features from each other i would quarantine females separately from males. This way they remain pure & breed true to strain. If females similar i do that species with males together. You could do 2 separate tanks or have them in marina breeder boxes separated from group or have males in box with females in larger tank area. This way you control breeding.
Can’t wait to see your Fish Fam results there beautiful