Fiona Update - @Gary828 Google Fiona Harvey and George Galloway. He’s a Scottish politician who has come forth as another victim of her stalking him in the 80’s. Over 100 phone calls, following him around, showing up on his doorstep. Piers might be covering this soon.
In all her “glory” no “anonymous” profile, voice changed, in the dark, etc. No she needed that face that makes Helen of Troy look homely! Haha! I wonder what psych meds, etc. she’s on/off.
@poetryjones7946 Well I can't wait to see them.🤭 Has she ever been on other interviews? Was Piers the be all and end all? I am sick of looking at that dress.✌️
Omg imagine Fiona under cross examination??? Girl- you don’t want that smoke- trust us!!! I know she thinks she is a lawyer- but she has never actually worked as one- I don’t think?! And def not in the USA!! She would get eaten alive by an American defense attorney on cross- it would be a disaster!!! But she is so delusional she probably wants a trial- not realizing how bad it would be for her!! The discovery alone would be a nightmare for her!!! Yikes. Also- I don’t think it’s that big of a deal that Netflix used creative liberty to dramatize the story. Ok- perhaps she wasn’t convicted- I don’t think that is that big of a deal bc they didn’t use her real name- she didn’t have to confirm the film was about her in the first place!!! Not to mention- she still did stalk him and other people as well- and Laura Wray said that other people have come out to her that Fiona stalked them as well, but they are afraid to come forward!! So how many people does she have to do this to before she is actually stopped or reprimanded??? What if she kills the next victim? Oh, well then it’s a problem!! It is crazy to me! Regardless of whether Netflix exaggerated the story for the sake of a good story or not- I don’t think Miss Fiona had much going on in life. This lawyer said she can’t leave her apartment due to fear now and she isn’t well- umm- she wasn’t well to begin with- and he then said she was a woman who kept to herself in her apartment and now she’s all over social media! So- she never left her apartment anyway- it isn’t bc of the series that she is now a shut in….from what I heard and read- she doesn’t have a job- so it isn’t a loss of wages, or destruction of her character which will cause her problems trying to get a job or keep a job….so what are the actual damages here besides “emotional distress” which- again, it seems as though that is literally her entire personality….i don’t know. I don’t think she deserves this pay day or legal attention. This makes her feel super important and as though she is in the right and that is just not true. This is very frustrating and I pray Netflix have amazing lawyers that rip her lawsuit to pieces
A lawsuit has been filed but is there a court date, has a judge approved the complaint to go forward? This could all be dismissed on the first hearing.
The lawyer literally admits Netflix put disclaimer “based on true events” at the end. Thereby destroying their claim. I knew there would be something in her past that came to light - I bet she went to a mental hospital to avoid jail. I’m guessing she got a legal degree to help herself navigate what she knew she was doing wrong. She stopped harassing Laura Wray when a legal paperwork was on file: proof she knows what she’s doing is wrong and wants to avoid legal action.
Assume that any dramatization of a true story has been embellished for dramatic effect and entertainment purposes. I don’t know why that’s hard for people to grasp.
The UK is starting to clamp down on antisocial behaviour which would include harassment and stalking. Just because Harvey stopped when given a restraining order that does not mean she isn’t a stalker simply because most stalkers still continue.
Again, this s a true story is typed on a laptop by the character Donnie! only once! This was the characters true strory! And there is a dsclaimer at the end of every episode! Neither Netflix nor Gadd has ever said it is about Fiona Harvey, she decided it was about her, she outed herself!! Omfg this is a sick world if she gets a penny! This has been a play for almost 10 years - she never said anything before because no one platformed her before for clicks!!!
If Red Bull advertises "Red Bull give you wings" does that mean that red bull literally gives you physical wings? NO, thats a slogan to sell the produci.. now Netflix sells entertainment and saying "this is a true story" is an advertisement to sparkle the product. The story did not bring out any experts to say that it was an evidential true story. Even the genre indication on netflix is "british comedy drama". Nothing indicates that baby reindeer is an actual true story other then the main character typing "this is a true story". Netflix is under no obligation to broadcast factual truth.. their business is entertainment, nothing else. And entertainment does not have to uphold the factual truth under any circumstance. Baby reindeer is not a documentary or a biopic,, its a comedy drama. Red bull doesnt give me wings nor doni ecspect it to give wings.. if i am under the assumption it gives me wings then that is my own fault. If i make a tv show about the true story of a guy that was abducted by aliens, does the whole world think he was abducted by aliens? And then when later people find out he was trippingbhis balls off and mentally disturbed, is the world gonna sue me because my tv show didnt contain the truth? That people fell for baby reindeer's true story due to their own gullible unverified belief, is their own responsibillity and their lack of critical thinking and laziness of not checking out the genre and other factors (as the of expert verification etc) but just watching the episode(s) and believing a comedy drama series is their own fricking fault 😂😂
Netflix need to dig their heels in all the way to the courtroom, it’s not on their dime anyway so costs for trial will be on the side who instigate proceedings
I agree Netflix needs to fight this. Plan truth is based/inspired by true story/events is common in the media. But Netflix did change a lot about Martha. Martha is convicted stalker. Fiona is not Theres freedom of speech online as well as writers who write their own biographies. How much do supporting characters deserve?
Iv;e heard that at the beginning when it says "this is a trues story" it's actually the "character" saying it and not the "real" guy saying it. apparently it was lost on people.
Let's see what happens if Fiona wins, and Laura sues Fiona. Maybe she'll hire Richard Roth to defend. See how his opinions change then and he slams Fiona for what she did. Also Piers saying she committed no crime and was just a 'troll'. Definition of a troll is someone who harasses someone else online. Fiona did this in real life, also calling social services on two lawyers isn't trolling. It's false allegations. She should have been charged just for that. Maybe that's on her rap sheet? They (Roth) did a 'basic' check for criminal convictions. As a lawyer, he should know that a basic check only goes back five years. This story goes back more than just five years and the basic check would be 'spent' now. He should have done an enhanced check. There's something not right about the basic check. Maybe American lawyers don't understand the way these work? Hopefully someone will request an enhanced check before this case gets to court.
I hope that, just on a principle, that Netflix will take this to court, not for the sake of the people clamouring for more details, but because if the news articles, and the Psychiatric Hospital Receptionist, Ms Wray, Sir Keir, the Police and anyone else who is brave and comes forward in the meantime, turns out to be correct and true; then there may well be some justice for those people.
Psych hospital receptionist & police, what have I missed?! Where can I read about that, I've searched but nothing has come up , can you maybe point me in the right direction because I am v intrigued!
@@bessinadress The receptionist goes by the name of Heather Burns, but I can’t remember how long ago that she was referring to, all I did was to google her name and it popped up. The other part, the Police was attached to this period as well if I remember correctly.
Her lawyer boyfriend is a 19 year old Nigerian boy who she has never met. He just keeps asking her to pay for airfare. I wonder how much she has sent so far.
There's no way that lawyer wants to go to court over this, they know they won't win any substantial damages.....but if they keep publicising the case, they're hoping Netflix will settle out of court for a more acceptable sum.
Fiona needs to provide an enhanced dbs check, not a basic dbs check. The basic covers the past 5 years. An enhanced covers everything. She was institutionalised. It's all online. She stalked a temp typist who worked at the facility. She also stalked 2 police officers.
Where did you read that re being institutionalised and the police officers? I just searched but didn't see anything, I maybe didn't use correct search terms?!
Id like fiona harvey to prove shes the martha scott in the program, not why she thinks she is that character - but to prove she is definately that character!
The only reason these two men are on the screen talking about this is because there’s money to be made. It’s nothing to do with the rights and wrongs on either side, but more about exploiting a situation for their own gain. It’s as cheap as as it is nauseating.
I'm hoping Netflix might go to trial..it's worth the risk because of the advertising it would create. There are enough people around the planet routing for Gadd and Harvey would be exposed for being a compulsive lier. People love to see perpetrators getting a taste of their own medicine.
Your commentary is literally what I’ve been internally saying to everything this lawyer comes up with - baby reindeer is not a documentary the fictional parts were added a) for the drama b) for the altered details and events so that it wasn’t exactly the same (sorry I’m wording it badly) also it’s very clear that Donny types this is a true story because it is Donny’s true story Fiona was never named she did that herself Netflix has never not has gadd said it was her Lawyers gonna lawyer
There are stalking and harassment laws on the books in the UK today. I literally wrote a comparative paper on it a few years ago. Obviously they don’t apply retroactively, but if Fiona stalks someone today, her actions can absolutely be criminal . Aside from that, she is only entitled to part of the profit if she contributed to the success of the show. But that’s not what they’re claiming. The claim is that she was defamed and suffered loss and harm. Thus she would be entitled to reparation for that loss and harm which in no universe amounts to $170 million. This attorney as delulu as Fiona is. Lastly, he’s saying that Netflix has to prove their claim, in California. No sir, Fiona is making the claim that Netflix is making false statements. Thus, she has to show that Netflix made false statements and Netflix has to defend their statements. That’s literally torts 101.
Fiona has an inflated sense of her abilities- she was never a practising lawyer as she couldn't keep sane enough in any law office. She has been living off a benefit for decades & her work is stalking & complaining. She has had a hand in writing the letters to file. She'd be a nightmare client to represent- even from a different country.
@mymai5859 Exactly! Im suspicious of her law degree too😮 I don't think she has one. It would've been easy back then without any Internet to forge things.
Honesty i hope Netflix fights this because there are gray areas in the law. Baby reindeer is based on the experience Gadd had with Fiona. Yes martha was written to be a convicted stalker but things had to be changed so Harvey wouldnt be recognized.
Exactly this. Saying the character was a “convicted stalker” and spent a “4 year prison sentence for stalking” was part of disguising the original person, duh! Why does no one seem to get that? Especially Piers Morgan? Netflix is gonna skate through this. 😂
@@mouselander You'd think he'd be more empathetic towards Richard Gadd & Laura Wray . Considering Pier's Son Spencer was a victim of a nutjob online stalker . Piers ironically contacted the police.
I am no law expert. But once Fiona stalked people like Richard, Laura, etc, she should have closed her social media accounts and opened new ones without her name. She left all her 4 accounts that she used to stalk people, so that is partly her fault. Also, imo once she started receiving messages, she should have just blocked them or blocked her account until it dies off. But no, she decided to go to Piers Morgan show. She is not scared of the messages she is just playing victim. She wants the attention, you couls see it on her barrage of FB posts advertising herself being on PM show and bragging about her hair how good it looked. That does not sound like someone is shattered and scared of coming out of her house. I doubt this will go to trial, I am sure netflix have all their evidence they need and a lot of can of worms will open for Fiona. Most likely like a lot of people said over here inc Gary they settle outside and most likely it will be around the a 6fig number not 170mill, not even Amber or Johnny got millions from their lawsuit.
@@popples50 Me too! Imagine all the witnesses AGAINST her. 🤔🤔Gee I wonder what witnesses will be on her side?? Her imaginary high flying lawyer boyfriend??
@@fascinating666 I wonder how she paid to go to law school, hmm. In the US - disability is squat, nowhere near what it would cost to support yourself. Maybe the UK does a better job if taking care of folks. If she does get a stipend and free housing, it must be contingent on having a medical DX, so maybe that's how what Heather Burns said would come into play re: Fiona being in a mental institution.
Ironically Piers mentioned on his own show a few months ago that a troll messaged one of his grown up sons and threatened him. And Piers actually mentioned that he contacted the police and they did nothing. So I agree with Gary's comments at around the 4.11 mark. About how piers would feel if it was one of his family members ? Well some of us know the answer to that!
Gary have you scoured FB to see if she has other accounts? It's her personality to be constantly texting or posting messages. Even though she told Pierce that she closed her accounts that day, she was online after the show aired! Look at how long it took you to go through just one day of messaging. I wonder if Netflix finds out about her being put in a psych ward, and the people who worked there?
@jillb3072 OK hang on. Firstly counter suit means an accused person can counter suit, i.e reply to the plaintif with a retort for damages. Eg (to make it easy) Johnny Depp took Amber Heard to court for defamation of his character and reputation as she claimed he beat her. Amber Heard then counter sued Depp for her own reputation being affected and wanted monetary compensation damages for her well being, reputation and loss of work. Laura Wray is not a plaintif or defendant in this possible Harvey vs Netflix lawsuit. Laura Wray can only countersuit if Fiona Harvey sues her first!
@jillb3072 Next. In my country, chasing, loitering, observing, contacting, or sending materials to another person that causes them to be afraid or harm them or any other third party are all examples of stalking behaviours. It is a crime. Laura could have had Fiona charged but she said herself that she felt Fiona had mental issues so didn't want her charged hence the intermittent interdict. It prevented Fiona for contacting her again for a year or there would be legal repercussions. Ie a criminal charge. Fiona stayed away from her because of it. What Fiona's little brain did not know is that the interdict was for 1 year. Hence the word intermittent. Laura could have filed them every year. Turns out Fiona was scared off and did not bother her again.
Not just “their son” but rather “their “severely disabled son!” That makes it a whole new level of cruelty. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also her “attorney boyfriend.” Total crackpot!
I don’t recall this being listed as a documentary/”docuseries” when people make entire films under that umbrella when the only similarities between them is the name “John” or something like that. By that rationale, all of her victims can sue her civily, which they should as she couldn't even appear “civil” much less treat people as such. Oh Broadmoor! I have a new patient for you!
The Limelight has been closed for years! So no. Sorry. “Not enough time” is the real answer! One can't be “sitting at home” while concurrently following someone around their workplace, in a bar.
I've seen people who say they know Richard and he actually has WAAAAAY more on Fiona and she's playing with fire. Richard is a much better person than Harvey so probably won't grass on her... but I'm bored of this crap and could use some better crap.😂😂😂
Netflix is probably sitting back letting Fiona continue to dig her own grave with her mounting lies and when the appropriate time comes they’ll make their case
eminems mom sued him gir defamation. he claimed his mom addict and abusive he settled for 25,000 dollars and he actually does use her name ect. the LAWYER Cost 22 thousand. she made 3 grand. and lost her whole family over it. moral if story....he makes the money lmao if any
I personally couldn't care less if it goes to trail or it settles - it's nothing to do with my friends and family so care factor 0 - however what I do care about is that a company can blatantly miss lead the public - in doing so influence the financial success of it - therefore manipulate the viewers perspective and therefore manipulated the market place - this is called fraud. And secondly that the industry cannot legally take a persons image words likeness and use it without written consent and offer financial compensation in doing so as it makes millions. Peoples rights - is what I care about. Netflix can't do that no company can.
Gadd used her words 'baby reindeer' her image her sound her dialect and some of her tweets and created the Martha character based on theses things. That is separate to Netflix stating this a true story - which. Her being an unstable person is definitely fact - so would anyone being pushed into this shit show. Gadd wanked over her image a number of times - he revealed this to the public himself. He was inspired by her from calling him 'baby reindeer' as a term of endearment to being the etchings of his character 'Martha'. In the series. He never obtain written consent to use her words - her image her sound. Police need to do more to protect people with stalker complaints. However if your image words sound is used to make money you need to give your written consent and be financially compensated for it. It Copyright/intellectual property law. No mater who you are.
In order to copyright to be protected you need to first establish you own that intellectual property, Fiona was too busy emailing her victims to do so.
@Cmmilgn89gk time and money during lawsuit but it could settle to also protect the plaintiff after all it could very well be worse for Fiona depending on what is released.
It also says at the end that some characters, situations, yadda yadda, have been altered or changed for dramatic effect... the same disclaimer that all true story works use.
piers should be sued for sending the scummy lawyers to exploit a mentally unwell woman. with total disregard to gadd's experiences. she'll probably go to trial and be arrested and then netflix would be write calling her a (convicted)(stalker). lol
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dude, i really respect that you recognize the con.. the piers morgan to lawyer pipeline is real!!
Fiona Update - @Gary828 Google Fiona Harvey and George Galloway. He’s a Scottish politician who has come forth as another victim of her stalking him in the 80’s. Over 100 phone calls, following him around, showing up on his doorstep. Piers might be covering this soon.
Fiona Harvey is so scared to leave her apartment that she went on Piers Morgan to do an interview.
Yep 👍🏽
And did various interviews with newspaper journalists who she started hounding too 😂
And set up a meet and greet at some nightclub
You can bé afraid to leave your apartment and leave your apartment. 😂
In all her “glory” no “anonymous” profile, voice changed, in the dark, etc. No she needed that face that makes Helen of Troy look homely! Haha! I wonder what psych meds, etc. she’s on/off.
Laura NEVER said she didn’t commit a crime. She says she never pressed criminal charges. Big difference.
Her claiming shes getting threats... Did she file a police report?
@@poetryjones7946Oh I bet she's busy writing them- from a library or public computer using hundreds of pseudonyms.
@poetryjones7946 Well I can't wait to see them.🤭
Has she ever been on other interviews? Was Piers the be all and end all? I am sick of looking at that dress.✌️
No I think she was busy & would do it later 😂😂
Omg imagine Fiona under cross examination??? Girl- you don’t want that smoke- trust us!!! I know she thinks she is a lawyer- but she has never actually worked as one- I don’t think?! And def not in the USA!! She would get eaten alive by an American defense attorney on cross- it would be a disaster!!! But she is so delusional she probably wants a trial- not realizing how bad it would be for her!! The discovery alone would be a nightmare for her!!! Yikes. Also- I don’t think it’s that big of a deal that Netflix used creative liberty to dramatize the story. Ok- perhaps she wasn’t convicted- I don’t think that is that big of a deal bc they didn’t use her real name- she didn’t have to confirm the film was about her in the first place!!! Not to mention- she still did stalk him and other people as well- and Laura Wray said that other people have come out to her that Fiona stalked them as well, but they are afraid to come forward!! So how many people does she have to do this to before she is actually stopped or reprimanded??? What if she kills the next victim? Oh, well then it’s a problem!! It is crazy to me! Regardless of whether Netflix exaggerated the story for the sake of a good story or not- I don’t think Miss Fiona had much going on in life. This lawyer said she can’t leave her apartment due to fear now and she isn’t well- umm- she wasn’t well to begin with- and he then said she was a woman who kept to herself in her apartment and now she’s all over social media! So- she never left her apartment anyway- it isn’t bc of the series that she is now a shut in….from what I heard and read- she doesn’t have a job- so it isn’t a loss of wages, or destruction of her character which will cause her problems trying to get a job or keep a job….so what are the actual damages here besides “emotional distress” which- again, it seems as though that is literally her entire personality….i don’t know. I don’t think she deserves this pay day or legal attention. This makes her feel super important and as though she is in the right and that is just not true. This is very frustrating and I pray Netflix have amazing lawyers that rip her lawsuit to pieces
Please don't settle Netflix. Please go to trial! She drown in all the evidence against her!
A lawsuit has been filed but is there a court date, has a judge approved the complaint to go forward?
This could all be dismissed on the first hearing.
The lawyer literally admits Netflix put disclaimer “based on true events” at the end. Thereby destroying their claim.
I knew there would be something in her past that came to light - I bet she went to a mental hospital to avoid jail. I’m guessing she got a legal degree to help herself navigate what she knew she was doing wrong. She stopped harassing Laura Wray when a legal paperwork was on file: proof she knows what she’s doing is wrong and wants to avoid legal action.
Assume that any dramatization of a true story has been embellished for dramatic effect and entertainment purposes. I don’t know why that’s hard for people to grasp.
The UK is starting to clamp down on antisocial behaviour which would include harassment and stalking. Just because Harvey stopped when given a restraining order that does not mean she isn’t a stalker simply because most stalkers still continue.
She's complaining that they were too accurate that they outed her AND she's also complaining they weren't accurate enough??!! Geeeeezzzz!
And left all her stalking posts online
Justice for Fiona Harvey ⚖️
Again, this s a true story is typed on a laptop by the character Donnie! only once! This was the characters true strory! And there is a dsclaimer at the end of every episode! Neither Netflix nor Gadd has ever said it is about Fiona Harvey, she decided it was about her, she outed herself!! Omfg this is a sick world if she gets a penny! This has been a play for almost 10 years - she never said anything before because no one platformed her before for clicks!!!
Fiona is very jealous of Gadd's success and wealth. She, on the contrary. wants all of them for free. 🙂
Exactly this.
If Netflix says they will defend the case vigorously, they won't settle. Netflix knows they want $$$$.
If Red Bull advertises "Red Bull give you wings" does that mean that red bull literally gives you physical wings? NO, thats a slogan to sell the produci.. now Netflix sells entertainment and saying "this is a true story" is an advertisement to sparkle the product. The story did not bring out any experts to say that it was an evidential true story. Even the genre indication on netflix is "british comedy drama". Nothing indicates that baby reindeer is an actual true story other then the main character typing "this is a true story". Netflix is under no obligation to broadcast factual truth.. their business is entertainment, nothing else. And entertainment does not have to uphold the factual truth under any circumstance. Baby reindeer is not a documentary or a biopic,, its a comedy drama. Red bull doesnt give me wings nor doni ecspect it to give wings.. if i am under the assumption it gives me wings then that is my own fault. If i make a tv show about the true story of a guy that was abducted by aliens, does the whole world think he was abducted by aliens? And then when later people find out he was trippingbhis balls off and mentally disturbed, is the world gonna sue me because my tv show didnt contain the truth? That people fell for baby reindeer's true story due to their own gullible unverified belief, is their own responsibillity and their lack of critical thinking and laziness of not checking out the genre and other factors (as the of expert verification etc) but just watching the episode(s) and believing a comedy drama series is their own fricking fault 😂😂
Netflix need to dig their heels in all the way to the courtroom, it’s not on their dime anyway so costs for trial will be on the side who instigate proceedings
I agree Netflix needs to fight this.
Plan truth is based/inspired by true story/events is common in the media. But Netflix did change a lot about Martha. Martha is convicted stalker. Fiona is not
Theres freedom of speech online as well as writers who write their own biographies. How much do supporting characters deserve?
I want to see her on the stand. If you think her Peirs Morgan interview was bad....😂
Iv;e heard that at the beginning when it says "this is a trues story" it's actually the "character" saying it and not the "real" guy saying it. apparently it was lost on people.
It was only lost on those who are already lost…aka morons.
Let's see what happens if Fiona wins, and Laura sues Fiona. Maybe she'll hire Richard Roth to defend. See how his opinions change then and he slams Fiona for what she did. Also Piers saying she committed no crime and was just a 'troll'. Definition of a troll is someone who harasses someone else online. Fiona did this in real life, also calling social services on two lawyers isn't trolling. It's false allegations. She should have been charged just for that. Maybe that's on her rap sheet? They (Roth) did a 'basic' check for criminal convictions. As a lawyer, he should know that a basic check only goes back five years. This story goes back more than just five years and the basic check would be 'spent' now. He should have done an enhanced check. There's something not right about the basic check. Maybe American lawyers don't understand the way these work? Hopefully someone will request an enhanced check before this case gets to court.
I dont think it was professional of Roth to make her DBS check public😮
@@skyepalmer5719It was stupid actually. Providing a very basic check proves nothing. I guess he is assuming we won't question it.
I hope that, just on a principle, that Netflix will take this to court, not for the sake of the people clamouring for more details, but because if the news articles, and the Psychiatric Hospital Receptionist, Ms Wray, Sir Keir, the Police and anyone else who is brave and comes forward in the meantime, turns out to be correct and true; then there may well be some justice for those people.
Psych hospital receptionist & police, what have I missed?! Where can I read about that, I've searched but nothing has come up , can you maybe point me in the right direction because I am v intrigued!
@@bessinadress The receptionist goes by the name of Heather Burns, but I can’t remember how long ago that she was referring to, all I did was to google her name and it popped up. The other part, the Police was attached to this period as well if I remember correctly.
Her lawyer boyfriend is a 19 year old Nigerian boy who she has never met. He just keeps asking her to pay for airfare. I wonder how much she has sent so far.
WHAT?? That's just wrong! No nigerians should be scamming people for money to come to the UK to "work" or to have tuition fees for university.
😂😂
Even if she wins she will stalk that lawyer who is defending her
😂😂😂.....or Netflix Chief Executive 😉🇬🇧
@@johnmccann5104
Ironic isn’t it!? 🤣
@@poetryjones7946 Very....seems everything about this story is now about the money🤔🇬🇧
@@poetryjones7946 certainly a very strange story 🤔🇬🇧
Karmas a witch 😂😂😂
There's no way that lawyer wants to go to court over this, they know they won't win any substantial damages.....but if they keep publicising the case, they're hoping Netflix will settle out of court for a more acceptable sum.
The lawyer is hoping to get money from having a crazy court case that he knows is a lose lose situation. Would it be televised?
Fiona needs to provide an enhanced dbs check, not a basic dbs check. The basic covers the past 5 years. An enhanced covers everything. She was institutionalised. It's all online. She stalked a temp typist who worked at the facility. She also stalked 2 police officers.
My thoughts exactly.
Where did you read that re being institutionalised and the police officers? I just searched but didn't see anything, I maybe didn't use correct search terms?!
Yes where is this information please?
Id like fiona harvey to prove shes the martha scott in the program, not why she thinks she is that character - but to prove she is definately that character!
Exactly this. And *that* is probably the Netflix law team’s strategy. 👍🏽👍🏽
If I remember rightly she said " That's not me"
@@popples50 if she says that on trial bye bye any kind of settlement!!
@@popples50 She did say that during the Piers interview. On her Facebook rants she also stated (several times!) “I am not Martha.”
The only reason these two men are on the screen talking about this is because there’s money to be made. It’s nothing to do with the rights and wrongs on either side, but more about exploiting a situation for their own gain. It’s as cheap as as it is nauseating.
I'm hoping Netflix might go to trial..it's worth the risk because of the advertising it would create. There are enough people around the planet routing for Gadd and Harvey would be exposed for being a compulsive lier. People love to see perpetrators getting a taste of their own medicine.
She’s going to end up stalking her lawyer now that I’d bet money on
Omg yes! 😂😂
I’m sure Netflix has their ducks in a row. Netflix is loving the drama surrounding baby reindeer, money, money money…. Money.
If Netflix settle, Laura Wray should follow through with her intention to sue Fiona Harvey
Laura already stated that if Fiona wins a block of cash then she will go in for the kill
@@nathanlovesspaceships9742oh good!
Your commentary is literally what I’ve been internally saying to everything this lawyer comes up with - baby reindeer is not a documentary the fictional parts were added a) for the drama b) for the altered details and events so that it wasn’t exactly the same (sorry I’m wording it badly) also it’s very clear that Donny types this is a true story because it is Donny’s true story
Fiona was never named she did that herself Netflix has never not has gadd said it was her
Lawyers gonna lawyer
There are stalking and harassment laws on the books in the UK today. I literally wrote a comparative paper on it a few years ago. Obviously they don’t apply retroactively, but if Fiona stalks someone today, her actions can absolutely be criminal . Aside from that, she is only entitled to part of the profit if she contributed to the success of the show. But that’s not what they’re claiming. The claim is that she was defamed and suffered loss and harm. Thus she would be entitled to reparation for that loss and harm which in no universe amounts to $170 million. This attorney as delulu as Fiona is. Lastly, he’s saying that Netflix has to prove their claim, in California. No sir, Fiona is making the claim that Netflix is making false statements. Thus, she has to show that Netflix made false statements and Netflix has to defend their statements. That’s literally torts 101.
You are correct 💯
Harvey's lawyer seems incompetent, unaware of facts, has spelling mistakes etc,
I don't believe he will succeed.
yep, i think it seems like a predatory cash grab to me
Fiona has an inflated sense of her abilities- she was never a practising lawyer as she couldn't keep sane enough in any law office. She has been living off a benefit for decades & her work is stalking & complaining. She has had a hand in writing the letters to file. She'd be a nightmare client to represent- even from a different country.
@mymai5859
Exactly!
Im suspicious of her law degree too😮
I don't think she has one. It would've been easy back then without any Internet to forge things.
He does have that ambulance-chasing-sleezeball vibe.
Probably doing this for the PR.
Honesty i hope Netflix fights this because there are gray areas in the law.
Baby reindeer is based on the experience Gadd had with Fiona.
Yes martha was written to be a convicted stalker but things had to be changed so Harvey wouldnt be recognized.
Exactly this.
Saying the character was a “convicted stalker” and spent a “4 year prison sentence for stalking” was part of disguising the original person, duh! Why does no one seem to get that? Especially Piers Morgan? Netflix is gonna skate through this. 😂
@@poetryjones7946 Piers is just mad at Netflix because Megan and Harry got a series and he didn’t - he’s a little like Fiona 😹😹😹
@@mouselander You'd think he'd be more empathetic towards Richard Gadd & Laura Wray . Considering Pier's Son Spencer was a victim of a nutjob online stalker . Piers ironically contacted the police.
@@nutcracker2916 Shows the man thinks only about himself 🤷🏾♀️
I am no law expert. But once Fiona stalked people like Richard, Laura, etc, she should have closed her social media accounts and opened new ones without her name. She left all her 4 accounts that she used to stalk people, so that is partly her fault. Also, imo once she started receiving messages, she should have just blocked them or blocked her account until it dies off. But no, she decided to go to Piers Morgan show. She is not scared of the messages she is just playing victim. She wants the attention, you couls see it on her barrage of FB posts advertising herself being on PM show and bragging about her hair how good it looked. That does not sound like someone is shattered and scared of coming out of her house. I doubt this will go to trial, I am sure netflix have all their evidence they need and a lot of can of worms will open for Fiona. Most likely like a lot of people said over here inc Gary they settle outside and most likely it will be around the a 6fig number not 170mill, not even Amber or Johnny got millions from their lawsuit.
Harvey is scary 😟 creepy and mean. She isn’t a victim she is the problem.
What is even worse is Fiona wasnt enrolled in classes and was just stalking this poor woman and her son.
Netflix goes to trial baby reindeer part two
I can't wait 😅
The revenge of Fiona Harvey season 2😂😂
@@popples50 Me too! Imagine all the witnesses AGAINST her. 🤔🤔Gee I wonder what witnesses will be on her side?? Her imaginary high flying lawyer boyfriend??
Gary, have you seen anything that would indicate Fiona has ever half a job? I wonder how she supports herself. Having 4 phone lines isnt cheap, lol.
@@fascinating666 I wonder how she paid to go to law school, hmm. In the US - disability is squat, nowhere near what it would cost to support yourself. Maybe the UK does a better job if taking care of folks. If she does get a stipend and free housing, it must be contingent on having a medical DX, so maybe that's how what Heather Burns said would come into play re: Fiona being in a mental institution.
Ironically Piers mentioned on his own show a few months ago that a troll messaged one of his grown up sons and threatened him. And Piers actually mentioned that he contacted the police and they did nothing. So I agree with Gary's comments at around the 4.11 mark. About how piers would feel if it was one of his family members ? Well some of us know the answer to that!
Nobody would have contacted her until she claimed she was Fiona
Gary have you scoured FB to see if she has other accounts? It's her personality to be constantly texting or posting messages. Even though she told Pierce that she closed her accounts that day, she was online after the show aired! Look at how long it took you to go through just one day of messaging. I wonder if Netflix finds out about her being put in a psych ward, and the people who worked there?
Can you send this over to Netflix lawyers? Your material could really help them in the case I think, especially the Facebook post observations
Nobody knew her or it was her till she came out and said it was about her otherwise it could have been anyone nobody knew about her
Donny typed "This is a true story"
Exactly. It's this character's story as told by him. How can people not get that?
She won’t get a penny!! Mark my words
I like this channel. Home boy be spittin FACTS
Hope the stalker doesn’t get a dime.
If she does her victims can counter sue. Also you can bet your bottom dollar the legals will get their hands on most of it.
@@phoenixkaliHow can Laura Wray sue her? Isn't there a statute of limitations? She stalked Laura back in 1997.
@@glassonion5474depending if felony stalking or not
@jillb3072 OK hang on. Firstly counter suit means an accused person can counter suit, i.e reply to the plaintif with a retort for damages.
Eg (to make it easy) Johnny Depp took Amber Heard to court for defamation of his character and reputation as she claimed he beat her. Amber Heard then counter sued Depp for her own reputation being affected and wanted monetary compensation damages for her well being, reputation and loss of work.
Laura Wray is not a plaintif or defendant in this possible Harvey vs Netflix lawsuit.
Laura Wray can only countersuit if Fiona Harvey sues her first!
@jillb3072 Next. In my country, chasing, loitering, observing, contacting, or sending materials to another person that causes them to be afraid or harm them or any other third party are all examples of stalking behaviours. It is a crime. Laura could have had Fiona charged but she said herself that she felt Fiona had mental issues so didn't want her charged hence the intermittent interdict. It prevented Fiona for contacting her again for a year or there would be legal repercussions. Ie a criminal charge. Fiona stayed away from her because of it.
What Fiona's little brain did not know is that the interdict was for 1 year. Hence the word intermittent. Laura could have filed them every year. Turns out Fiona was scared off and did not bother her again.
Fiona is really scary
I love this SO much..great commentary
If I were Piers I would be worried , because stalkers gotta stalk.
Well maybe that's why piers defends her inexcusable actions in the show, because he knows if he keep himself in her good graces he will be alright
You can tell what parts have been fictionalised, the parts that aren't In Gadds one man show
So how anyone would know it is Fiona if she is not a stalker doesn’t matter she is the one that outed herself on x
That lawyers a doof its up to them to prove as its not neflix thats taking her to court!
Not just “their son” but rather “their “severely disabled son!” That makes it a whole new level of cruelty. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also her “attorney boyfriend.” Total crackpot!
“Scot-free?!” That’s truly rich!
I don’t recall this being listed as a documentary/”docuseries” when people make entire films under that umbrella when the only similarities between them is the name “John” or something like that. By that rationale, all of her victims can sue her civily, which they should as she couldn't even appear “civil” much less treat people as such. Oh Broadmoor! I have a new patient for you!
You could also pronounce the host’s name correctly….you know, if you had a gd clue/had anyone ever heard of you.
The Limelight has been closed for years! So no. Sorry. “Not enough time” is the real answer! One can't be “sitting at home” while concurrently following someone around their workplace, in a bar.
Hi Fiona
I've seen people who say they know Richard and he actually has WAAAAAY more on Fiona and she's playing with fire.
Richard is a much better person than Harvey so probably won't grass on her...
but I'm bored of this crap and could use some better crap.😂😂😂
If he has to testify and what you claim is true. He may well "grass" on her.
Johnny Depp V Amber Turd! 😅😊😮😂❤
Wonder if hes her "lawyer" bf
where is ANY proof of "death threats" that have her afraid ti leave her home. they ask if shes a stalker nobodys threatened her😂
I vote for a trial to be season 2
Two stalkers in ome story. They never said she was the only one is was based on.
That woman said at the time fiona had already "criminal records of stalking"...so...may be never been in prison, but...
Where is the information regarding psychiatric history?
When are Netflix gonna speak up regarding evidence they have?
So many questions 🤔
Netflix is probably sitting back letting Fiona continue to dig her own grave with her mounting lies and when the appropriate time comes they’ll make their case
Thanks for speaking the truth, Gary
eminems mom sued him gir defamation. he claimed his mom addict and abusive he settled for 25,000 dollars and he actually does use her name ect. the LAWYER Cost 22 thousand. she made 3 grand. and lost her whole family over it. moral if story....he makes the money lmao if any
The lawyer who was a victim on the P M show, she said criminal records Are Scrubbed ~ it’s a bluff,because any serious case would investigate properly
Fiona's lawyer has only disclosed a basic DBS. Enhanced DBS would show a criminal record from many years ago.
Fiona with millions very dangerous
I personally couldn't care less if it goes to trail or it settles - it's nothing to do with my friends and family so care factor 0 - however what I do care about is that a company can blatantly miss lead the public - in doing so influence the financial success of it - therefore manipulate the viewers perspective and therefore manipulated the market place - this is called fraud.
And secondly that the industry cannot legally take a persons image words likeness and use it without written consent and offer financial compensation in doing so as it makes millions. Peoples rights - is what I care about. Netflix can't do that no company can.
Piers is a fine one to talk about trolling given his history with the News of the World, plus his unnatural obsession with Meghan Markle.
All I gotta say is… you got a sponsor? 😮
Gadd used her words 'baby reindeer' her image her sound her dialect and some of her tweets and created the Martha character based on theses things. That is separate to Netflix stating this a true story - which. Her being an unstable person is definitely fact - so would anyone being pushed into this shit show. Gadd wanked over her image a number of times - he revealed this to the public himself. He was inspired by her from calling him 'baby reindeer' as a term of endearment to being the etchings of his character 'Martha'. In the series.
He never obtain written consent to use her words - her image her sound. Police need to do more to protect people with stalker complaints. However if your image words sound is used to make money you need to give your written consent and be financially compensated for it. It Copyright/intellectual property law. No mater who you are.
In order to copyright to be protected you need to first establish you own that intellectual property, Fiona was too busy emailing her victims to do so.
Hey James, Richard Gaad suing Fiona Harvey he should be suing that guy that took advantage of him? He seemed worse than her
Exactly
Since when is Richard suing Fiona? Fiona is suing Netflix.
But look at daily she wrote on and on ! Yes I believe 41,000 emails this guy wants money 😂
She should be seen by a doctor
The issue is Netflix is known to settle that's why they are only going after netflix
Why settle if Fiona does not have a strong case?
@Cmmilgn89gk time and money during lawsuit but it could settle to also protect the plaintiff after all it could very well be worse for Fiona depending on what is released.
@@jf9144 How can Netflix settle if they vowed to 'defend the matter vigorously'?
Amen!
Give it a rest man! Love the sound of your own voice this guy!
Don't watch/listen...crawl back under your bridge
@@susanquick9881 silly cow, I wanted to hear the story not the narrator rabbiting on every 2 seconds with his opinion & obvious observations!
Silly cow?? It's his channel you stupid f***... go find your information somewhere else....freak..
@@chrisgoodwill3818 it's his channel..he can do what he likes...go watch it somewhere else...berserk
@@chrisgoodwill3818 excuse me? It's Gary's channel. He can do what he likes. He's not catering to you. Spoilt brat. Silly pr***
Netflix made the error by calling this a “true story” instead of “based on a true story”
Why would they go to the extreme?
Paranormal Activity says the same at the beginning. No one took them to court.
It also says at the end that some characters, situations, yadda yadda, have been altered or changed for dramatic effect... the same disclaimer that all true story works use.
Really, all they needed was to drop that title
Imagine not having the common sense to put “based on a true story “ and make her welsh not scottish?
It might have been a ploy to hid her indenity.
she would say: "I'm not even welsh, I'm scottish! they changed my accent but it's cleary me" ...probably
She would've come on piers Morgan with a Welsh accent then lol
Are there ever any white people on this show?
What?! Troll 🧌
@@Seeker0fTruth Not a troll. Valid question. Where's the diversity?
Richard did this on purpose. He still feels sorry for her and wanted her to get some kind of pay day.
Gross. You’re obviously trolling
Piers is milking this for all its worth🫤
It was him who pushed the "she was never convicted" angle. He manipulated this whole situation.
@pathfinder6993 I thought I was the only one who noticed that. At some point I even thought he's seemingly on her side so she doesn't stalk him🤭
piers should be sued for sending the scummy lawyers to exploit a mentally unwell woman. with total disregard to gadd's experiences. she'll probably go to trial and be arrested and then netflix would be write calling her a (convicted)(stalker). lol
netflix needs to call this scummy lawyer's bluff.
@@AnahataMaryjane This lawyer comes across as a bit of a narc. Probably loves the attention he's getting.
Personality and character don’t necessarily mean mental health issues