Massive kudos to Tim, Brian, and Watchbox team for this amazing series. Thank you for starting Perpetually Patek, and keep them coming! Really enjoying and learning lots!
Old TZ'er here. Always a pleasure to see William. I was more active on the Rolex / Rolex Vintage / IWC sections than the PP one, not being a Patek owner myself. But I was always peeking on the PP forum for the sheer entertainment value of William's moderation. I will just say two words" The wart". If William reads these lines, I'm sure he'll have a chuckle.
I never understood the 5070. It looks like a hockey puck, is bigger than a speedmaster (as a dress watch), has a busy dial, and a movement that doesn't fit the case. The 5170g black dial with breguet numerals is my dream modern watch. Having said that, the 5070p has certainly increased in price over the last decade. It sells for double what the gold models do. Edit: very cool that he mentions the 5370 as his favorite - it's basically the 5170g in platinum with a split. Still think it's too big, but nobody's perfect lol. As for case changes, add the tasti tondi pushers and thicken the lugs and you have perfection.
15:41 THIS is how watch collecting should be approached IMO, buy what you like, if you get a win on a trade up then great, if not then at least you enjoyed the watch, and for the watches you really enjoy then just keep them and resale becomes irrelevant 🤷🏻♂ great interview overall too, its so interesting learning about the evolution of Patek, especially through the 80s & 90s :D
Outstanding informative discussion-thank you. I’ve been lucky enough to own the 3919, 6119G and the 150 Anniversary Patek. I truly love these pieces for its very refined, elegant, and simple watch.
I know this is “Perpetually _Patek_.” But to address the elephant in the room what keeps the 5070 down is not another Patek reference. It is that other chrono Mr. Massena mentioned in passing-the Datograph. The advent of that piece made the 5070 look dated before it properly celebrated its first anniversary!
Member of TZ for over 20 years and back in the day, my favorite sport was going to the PP forum to read posts by William roasting trolls. Between William and Sandler, there was no shortage of deep insight into watch collecting nor banning trolls. His work with the Habrings at Massena Labs is really excellent.
3996 is not a patek reference, I suppose he meant the 3998. Calatravas have always been collectable (at least since the early 2000s) but mostly in bigger sizes. The 565, 570, and 2526 most notably are all 36mm, the minimum size for a modern men's watch today and therefore command the most. I don't see that changing anytime soon and therefore I just don't ever see 33mm watches catching up.
I was not around at the launch of the 5070, but today, looking at it without all the stories that have been created around it, I don't think it's very beautiful. This is a matter of taste, of course, but it looks a bit dated in design to me, despite being so large. If I compare it to a 1463, the latter I find more beautiful by a huge margin. And since William mentioned the Datograph - that watch makes the 5070 look very dated both aesthetically and mechanically. I don't have 5070 money, but if I did, there are many other watches I'd rather spend it on than a 5070. Other Pateks too.
I'm curious, what is everyone's opinion on which watch brand/model is the most, or severely "undervalued" currently? From a PURELY investment standpoint, what particular watch has plunged in price, and from a value standpoint, is considered a steal to buy now? Similar to a great company's stock, which has taken a dive because the whole stock market is down, but will be the biggest to bounce back when whole market recovers. I know nothing about watches, just recently curious about the luxury watch collecting community.
Although not a patron of Patek, the 3919 remains the quintessential "power watch". simple, plain, gold, with white face and Roman numerals. Fantastic! if I owned a single Patek this would be the one! Personally, I prefer a similar timepiece, a Piaget Protocole, simple, plain and gold ultrathin that has been my constant companion for over 35 years. For me, simplicity translates into elegance, elegance embraces tradition, tradition translates into permanence, stability, and professionalism, professionalism into success, and success translates into a life well lived. By the way, if Patek puts you asleep, it will wake you up in a boardroom meeting!
@@alexp3752 I like simple classic watches. It's just PP puts me asleep. They're just boring. My stepfather owns 3909 from the 90s... Again, I like simple elegance - Lange, VC, Piaget... . I just fall asleep with pateks
I love Massena Lab's watches. I have three of them right now!
Massive kudos to Tim, Brian, and Watchbox team for this amazing series. Thank you for starting Perpetually Patek, and keep them coming! Really enjoying and learning lots!
Great to see him here. I like this guy and could listen to him for hours. He is a pillar ambassador to the watch community.
Old TZ'er here. Always a pleasure to see William. I was more active on the Rolex / Rolex Vintage / IWC sections than the PP one, not being a Patek owner myself. But I was always peeking on the PP forum for the sheer entertainment value of William's moderation. I will just say two words" The wart". If William reads these lines, I'm sure he'll have a chuckle.
I never understood the 5070. It looks like a hockey puck, is bigger than a speedmaster (as a dress watch), has a busy dial, and a movement that doesn't fit the case. The 5170g black dial with breguet numerals is my dream modern watch. Having said that, the 5070p has certainly increased in price over the last decade. It sells for double what the gold models do.
Edit: very cool that he mentions the 5370 as his favorite - it's basically the 5170g in platinum with a split. Still think it's too big, but nobody's perfect lol. As for case changes, add the tasti tondi pushers and thicken the lugs and you have perfection.
Incredibly riveting conversation I'd never be part of otherwise. Thanks!
And nice how he made “collecting in bags” ridiculous. What a great guy👍🏻
Another wonderful episode! The richness of the narration from someone who lived that history is refreshing! Keep up the good work gents!
15:41 THIS is how watch collecting should be approached IMO, buy what you like, if you get a win on a trade up then great, if not then at least you enjoyed the watch, and for the watches you really enjoy then just keep them and resale becomes irrelevant 🤷🏻♂
great interview overall too, its so interesting learning about the evolution of Patek, especially through the 80s & 90s :D
Great episode with history of Patek from the 1980s to the modern collector. Patek is classic elegance with unique dials, movements, and finishing.
Outstanding informative discussion-thank you. I’ve been lucky enough to own the 3919, 6119G and the 150 Anniversary Patek. I truly love these pieces for its very refined, elegant, and simple watch.
Very nice watch talk. Really appreciated Massena's wisdom about watches. Thanks Tim and Brian!
Fantastic, Fantastic, Fantastic. Give yourself a big pat on your back Tim. Beautifully crafted episode ❤💐💯
Another killer video. Thanks guys!!
Appreciate the great Interviews Tim Mosso
This is one heck of a discussion. I learnt alot about the point of view of the europeans. Thanks Mosso.
“I don’t, I buy what i like”. Great answer on the investment question. Why did he even ask that.
great conversation
Just fantastic thanks for the great content
Great episode guys. Just makes you dream that bit harder😂😂
I know this is “Perpetually _Patek_.” But to address the elephant in the room what keeps the 5070 down is not another Patek reference. It is that other chrono Mr. Massena mentioned in passing-the Datograph. The advent of that piece made the 5070 look dated before it properly celebrated its first anniversary!
Member of TZ for over 20 years and back in the day, my favorite sport was going to the PP forum to read posts by William roasting trolls. Between William and Sandler, there was no shortage of deep insight into watch collecting nor banning trolls. His work with the Habrings at Massena Labs is really excellent.
3996 is not a patek reference, I suppose he meant the 3998. Calatravas have always been collectable (at least since the early 2000s) but mostly in bigger sizes. The 565, 570, and 2526 most notably are all 36mm, the minimum size for a modern men's watch today and therefore command the most. I don't see that changing anytime soon and therefore I just don't ever see 33mm watches catching up.
I agree with you it could be the 3998 but I think within the context of his comment it must be the 3796
Ah the 80s classics
I was not around at the launch of the 5070, but today, looking at it without all the stories that have been created around it, I don't think it's very beautiful. This is a matter of taste, of course, but it looks a bit dated in design to me, despite being so large. If I compare it to a 1463, the latter I find more beautiful by a huge margin.
And since William mentioned the Datograph - that watch makes the 5070 look very dated both aesthetically and mechanically.
I don't have 5070 money, but if I did, there are many other watches I'd rather spend it on than a 5070. Other Pateks too.
3940 is around 50k, yikes. I love how the guy says its not crazy expensive :)
I'm curious, what is everyone's opinion on which watch brand/model is the most, or severely "undervalued" currently? From a PURELY investment standpoint, what particular watch has plunged in price, and from a value standpoint, is considered a steal to buy now? Similar to a great company's stock, which has taken a dive because the whole stock market is down, but will be the biggest to bounce back when whole market recovers. I know nothing about watches, just recently curious about the luxury watch collecting community.
Invicta.
It is possible to wear a sealed watch. You just need a medium amount of duct tape.
SWISS MADE
Massena Lab watches are sleepers. The Uniracer will be a classic.
Why do you include Brian Govberg in all Patek videos? He doesn’t add anything
For the eye candy :)
@@briangovberg5277 😂😂👍
He calms Tim down.
Patek puts me asleep
Although not a patron of Patek, the 3919 remains the quintessential "power watch". simple, plain, gold, with white face and Roman numerals. Fantastic! if I owned a single Patek this would be the one! Personally, I prefer a similar timepiece, a Piaget Protocole, simple, plain and gold ultrathin that has been my constant companion for over 35 years. For me, simplicity translates into elegance, elegance embraces tradition, tradition translates into permanence, stability, and professionalism, professionalism into success, and success translates into a life well lived. By the way, if Patek puts you asleep, it will wake you up in a boardroom meeting!
@@alexp3752 I like simple classic watches. It's just PP puts me asleep. They're just boring. My stepfather owns 3909 from the 90s... Again, I like simple elegance - Lange, VC, Piaget... . I just fall asleep with pateks
And nice how he made “collecting in bags” ridiculous. What a great guy👍🏻