Nice fix on the winch. My father-in-law (no nonsense dirt poor prairie farmer by age of 12) taught me long ago that 90 percent of the time just disassembling, cleaning, and adjusting busted stuff brings it back to life 90 percent of the time
Good repair on the winch. You should take the fork lift to Reds to load the heavy stuff. I'm 71 years old and remember moving the heavy stuff by myself, now I can't hardly walk. Doctors said that over the years I wore out my backbone by lifting too heavy things. Take care of your body so that you can retire without back pain. Thank for the videos. Carl
Good job, you get the job done without all the arm chair experts advice. You didn’t ask for advice you just were showing us how you did it! Love your enthusiasm.
I truly enjoy this channel. I appreciate the attitude of "if someone built it, I can dang sure fix it" that and "everything is a tool" is exactly the mindset and attitude I am trying to pass on to my grandsons.
He has a perfect lifting form, flat back, legs do the job. One of the few people who really cares about that, I don’t understand why everyone is so worried :D
@@SalvageWorkshop I used to work like you. My co-workers used to call me a humane fork lift. Now I have arthritis in almost every joint on my body and multiple disk degeneration in my back. Now I can barely bend enough to put on my socks and I live with constant joint pain. Please heed all the advise regarding your health.
A lot of videos and slices of life presented online are really curated and at least part way faked, but you know it's a legit when you're 20 minutes into an old iron salvaging video and they're still working on the electric winch in the workshop hahaha It's so true to life. You're always working on something to work on something haha
Getting Old Red home and restoring it plus the these heavy spare parts out of the field. I’ve enjoyed watching your videos from the Netherlands. You’ve put in e lot of effort and I appreciate that. One thing is for sure you don’t give up easy and I comment you for that! Stay safe and be blessed.....
I rebuilt a starter for my motorcycle. Replaced the brushes, but had one hell of a time getting it put back together. Never thought to look for those holes and use nails to hold back the brushes...........nice!
You asked the question if others ever have to fix something so they can use it. My son had my 40" wood lathe and cracked the cast iron base. When I asked if I could "borrow" my lathe back to make Christmas presents, I found out it was unusable. Watching your channel was in large part, the reason I had the confidence to successfully repair this tool. I've now been using it for a week and it works as good as new. Thanks for the insight.
I have always been into rescuing old mechanical things...I ran across the 955 in the barn video and got hooked on your channel! Love seeing you bring "Old Red" back to life!!!! PS: I had to disassemble my entire 9000lb Warn winch drive assembly the day before I went to pick up '53 GMC Pickup that had been in the woods for 27 years...I know that pain.
Great job, back in high school a shop taught me to rebuild starters then paid me 1.50 for each one I'd rebuild, and his backroom was piled waist high with as many as possible. Ac Delco ford and Chrysler, I wish I had all the brass bushings I'd pressed out of them, literally buckets full. What am experience. Cheers from Jacksonville Florida 🌞
3 words, Snatch blocks, snatch blocks and snatch blocks. Great detailed video. So glad you started talking to your audience and explaining your thoughts and what you’re looking to achieve. Keep up the good work. Thank you
I certainly agree that many occasions I've spent more time on the fixes than on the actual job! I would certainly volunteer to help pick parts up with you as working alone with heavyweight pieces can cause you great bodily harm. Want you to keep making these great videos and finishing projects!
On your initial winch repair, I acquired a Warn 16.5ti winch (Heavy bugger) and I got it because the previous owner said it just stopped working. He had already changed all the solenoids in his attempt to fix it. I tested them just as you did, and all tested fine. I could put power directly to the motor and it would run in or out depending on how I jumped it. After some further testing, I found that a few of the control wires and one main battery cable were shot. Now I know I could've just fixed the wiring, but I decided to "simplify" things. I pulled out the solenoids and replaced them with a reversing contactor. More room in the "control box" and it really did simplify the wiring. Factory remote works as it should also. Now if it stops working, I only have one contactor to worry about (assuming the wiring and motor are ok). Great videp.
If you plan on running the machine in rock or broken concrete then by all means run the roller guards. However if you going to run in sand crushed stone mud or snow then leave them off to allow the chain to clean itself out. When you turn and fill the chain with material the track gets super tight, you need the rollers to let the material out to prevent excess stress on the recoil springs. Hope that makes since.
Your stator is the windings inside the motor jacket. As the rotor spins around the stator applied voltage is introduced. Any corrosion or rust will not apply the 12 v need to spin. Great job.
Great video !! Got that winch working again a little cleaning and a couple of bearings GREAT WORK !! and the extra parts back home safe !! Great video !! 👍👍👍
I need to reroute my control box to under my hood due to clearance issues and I'm glad it'll be out of the elements. This is a great video. Thanks for demystifying yet another mechanical device. Love the vids, they are my happy place.
Loved this. Had some years here in the UK where I had to load dead plant from abandoned sites. Nobody around so you had to think your way round getting it onto a low loader with the winch, bits of rope, baulks of timber, lengths of chain etc. Great feeling when it's on and chained down. Rest and a couple of smokes, then head for home.
You always do a great job. I wonder though if it wouldn’t have been quicker and less time consuming to have brought your fork lift. You are one hard working guy.
I appreciate that Darryl! Moving the forklift is REALLY hard with the tools & machines I have right now... Trying to drive it onto that trailer the way the ramps are currently setup isn't even possible because of how little ground clearance fork trucks have, plus I need to have it at the shop to unload with... I have something in the works for that I will be able to take places (that's an upcoming series, SHHHH!!)
You are always busting your butt and just thinking about your back and stuff. I should have guessed you had something else in the works to get the job done. I look forward to new videos and especially your new cat project.
Rock guards are a must,save ya alot of headaches down the road. New sub,I'm a old machinery restorer myself, worked twenty eight years in the coal mines,now I restore stuff. Great video.
The middle gear (on the motor) is the sun gear, the ones in the carrier are planets and the outer is normally called a ring gear. The whole thing is mostly referred to as an epicyclic or planetary gear set.
Thanks Bryan! I'll get back with you I promise! I've had a ton going right now trying to get old red and a ton of other things ready before winter... It's coming quick here in the Midwest! I'll make sure you know once they're up for sale!
I really enjoy your videos.You attention to detail is awesome. I wish I could find a mechanic like you. However you are much more than a great mechanic. You also have great engineering skills. I just have ONE request.I want to see you stay healthy, would it be possible to get help on some of the big heavy stuff? You don't want to wind up with back problems. I have seen you have so many close calls it worries me. You have a guardian angel that takes Very good care of you, but help her out just a little.
I learned a bunch of stuff from watching the whole video. Excellent visual going through the winch motor. Thanks- I would have done one thing before pulling the pins on the bucket. Double up on your winch rope by using a snatch-block to increase the power. Just weld a hook or heavy D-ring to the trailer frame near the winch, hook the winch hook to that and use the snatch-block in the loop that you've made to hook onto the item. Great content, keep up the good work!
I like watching the process and the struggle. To many videos they never show what went wrong and how to problem solve it. I learn a lot from the problem solving process. Like how do you move a huge ass thing of metal onto a trailer with just one person.
to answer your question, yes. in the technology field (particularly with programmers) this is known as yak shaving. the joke being if you shave a yak by hand, by the time you're done, you have to start over. it's fixing problems to fix problems, all nested inside one another.
If you were thinking ‘Big Red,’ you know it wouldn’t steer don’t you? Cant use a loader that only turns one way, and doesn’t do that very well either due to the smooth drive sprocket on one side!
The best thing I did with the winch on my trailer is put a wireless remote relay setup on it, mostly because the original was shot when I got it. Works awesome for loading up vehicles that don’t run when I’m by myself
@@SalvageWorkshop it was just a cheapo eBay setup, cost around $50 for 2 remotes, the relay and wireless control box and seems to work pretty good for the year and a half I’ve had it. Probably better kits out there but it hasn’t let me down yet!
Have enjoyed your whole series so far. Gotta tip my hat to you for the effort you put in on all this! Everyone needs a hobby they love ❤️, clearly its providing challenges and opportunities to learn and rewards from the successes. What a great hobby 😊 Just be careful out there but stay at it!
You are a very patient man and diligent man. I would have brought out a fork lift or something to get those parts because my lifting and prying days are over. Great Video!
On all our tracked machines, we always had no rock guards, or we removed them if we got a piece that had guards installed. I suppose if you are predominantly/constantly working in areas with a large amount of rocks that could jam a roller, they might be a good idea and relatively little would end up collecting behind them. For us, the primary rule we had was that the tracks were cleaned every day (after shift) and the majority of the moving parts were greased (rollers and pins, mainly). I can't imagine how much stuff would build up around the rollers and tensioner when it couldn't be cleaned regularly and you had guards on the tracks.
@@SalvageWorkshop it wound up being cool. They had it 3' deep and concrete the whole way down. I had to dig it half out by hand, bust the concrete with a sledge, and yank it out with a F350. WAY too much effort for a 4' post on a picket fence. Lol Would have used a tractor if it wasn't in a suburban yard.
@@Roboticus_Prime_RC I owned and ran a Landscape Design & Construction Business for 10 years, trust me my friend, I've been there! Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do!
I'm not sure about the rock guards on that particular Traxcavator, but on the D3 they're a blessing and a curse. for gravel they're great and no complaints. but when you're moving brush or into wet mud they're a headache because everything gets wedged in there. At the brick plant, we welded extra steel plates angled out to prevent that and to keep the mud from getting in there. If you've ever worked with clay, after a few days it would harden in between the gears and the rock guard, or even into the hinges of the track and just get hard a rock. The D3 is strong enough to break it loose, but man after you come back on Monday and jump in, as soon as it broke loose it would scare the crap out of you when it went BANG! and CRACK! makes you think something snapped.
A perfect example of Archimedes quote, "Give me a place to stand and with a lever I will move the whole world". Never give up.. Good video
Must be a teacher or someone in your life so proud you listened and learned.....
Thank you I learn so much just watching you take that motor apart .😊
Nice fix on the winch. My father-in-law (no nonsense dirt poor prairie farmer by age of 12) taught me long ago that 90 percent of the time just disassembling, cleaning, and adjusting busted stuff brings it back to life 90 percent of the time
Good repair on the winch. You should take the fork lift to Reds to load the heavy stuff. I'm 71 years old and remember moving the heavy stuff by myself, now I can't hardly walk. Doctors said that over the years I wore out my backbone by lifting too heavy things. Take care of your body so that you can retire without back pain. Thank for the videos. Carl
I admire your work!
love watching the methodical way you approach repairs
Yo are a clever and hardworking young man
Thank you my friend!
Good job, you get the job done without all the arm chair experts advice. You didn’t ask for advice you just were showing us how you did it! Love your enthusiasm.
I like watching this channel because you're a regular guy that has things happen to him that happens to the rest of us. Good job, love the videos.
Man you guys are just full of advice
Brilliant. Well done.
The nail trick on the brushes was brilliant problem solving. That kind of thing floats my boat when I'm working on stuff.
I was taught the nail trick back in the early 80's while rebuilding alternators
I truly enjoy this channel. I appreciate the attitude of "if someone built it, I can dang sure fix it" that and "everything is a tool" is exactly the mindset and attitude I am trying to pass on to my grandsons.
Anyone else's lower back hurt after watching this channel? lol! 😂 It's not hard to understand why you look so trim and fit. Damn you work hard!
My back feels great!
He has a perfect lifting form, flat back, legs do the job. One of the few people who really cares about that, I don’t understand why everyone is so worried :D
@@ZGGordan thank you Gordan! I do really care about it and the way i lift things is very intentional!
@@SalvageWorkshop I used to work like you. My co-workers used to call me a humane fork lift. Now I have arthritis in almost every joint on my body and multiple disk degeneration in my back. Now I can barely bend enough to put on my socks and I live with constant joint pain. Please heed all the advise regarding your health.
Works very hard, does all the lifting pretty near perfect and his back will still punish him in later life for working hard not smart! 😢
A lot of videos and slices of life presented online are really curated and at least part way faked, but you know it's a legit when you're 20 minutes into an old iron salvaging video and they're still working on the electric winch in the workshop hahaha
It's so true to life. You're always working on something to work on something haha
Yeah, my Daddy always called it "having to work on something before you could work on something."
Sounds about right!
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Rock guards are good to have. If you work on hillsides they are a must have, trust me you will be happy to have them on.
Getting Old Red home and restoring it plus the these heavy spare parts out of the field. I’ve enjoyed watching your videos from the Netherlands. You’ve put in e lot of effort and I appreciate that. One thing is for sure you don’t give up easy and I comment you for that! Stay safe and be blessed.....
Thank you my friend! Im glad you're enjoying the project!
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I rebuilt a starter for my motorcycle. Replaced the brushes, but had one hell of a time getting it put back together. Never thought to look for those holes and use nails to hold back the brushes...........nice!
You asked the question if others ever have to fix something so they can use it. My son had my 40" wood lathe and cracked the cast iron base. When I asked if I could "borrow" my lathe back to make Christmas presents, I found out it was unusable. Watching your channel was in large part, the reason I had the confidence to successfully repair this tool. I've now been using it for a week and it works as good as new. Thanks for the insight.
You hit the goldmine of spare parts!
I have always been into rescuing old mechanical things...I ran across the 955 in the barn video and got hooked on your channel! Love seeing you bring "Old Red" back to life!!!!
PS: I had to disassemble my entire 9000lb Warn winch drive assembly the day before I went to pick up '53 GMC Pickup that had been in the woods for 27 years...I know that pain.
Great job, back in high school a shop taught me to rebuild starters then paid me 1.50 for each one I'd rebuild, and his backroom was piled waist high with as many as possible. Ac Delco ford and Chrysler, I wish I had all the brass bushings I'd pressed out of them, literally buckets full. What am experience. Cheers from Jacksonville Florida 🌞
If a jobs worth doing, it's worth doing properly. Fair play to you mate 👏 👌
3 words, Snatch blocks, snatch blocks and snatch blocks.
Great detailed video. So glad you started talking to your audience and explaining your thoughts and what you’re looking to achieve.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you
Yeah working on your tools sucks rocks but it has to be done.
great video ... thanks
Good Video' mate with no crappy Music 👍
Good job,if you move heavy machines like these,this tool is the best friend,....Congratulations
watching this during pandemic in europe is pure meditation! ;-) thanks
My favorite thing is how meticulous you are with repairs ! Awesome work
Not agree, left a broken nut in a hole, shame on you. It not us.
I certainly agree that many occasions I've spent more time on the fixes than on the actual job! I would certainly volunteer to help pick parts up with you as working alone with heavyweight pieces can cause you great bodily harm.
Want you to keep making these great videos and finishing projects!
Safety first Young man! Couple issues here ! Don't compromise !
You make it look easy. 😊
watching him is so comical sometimes. love watching that thing come together. this one had me rolling. keep it up, you'll get there.
Great jobs well done .
Your the first youtuber i see who cares about his back and knows how to lift
Great video 👍. That copper section that the bushes read on is called a commutator.
On your initial winch repair, I acquired a Warn 16.5ti winch (Heavy bugger) and I got it because the previous owner said it just stopped working. He had already changed all the solenoids in his attempt to fix it. I tested them just as you did, and all tested fine. I could put power directly to the motor and it would run in or out depending on how I jumped it. After some further testing, I found that a few of the control wires and one main battery cable were shot. Now I know I could've just fixed the wiring, but I decided to "simplify" things. I pulled out the solenoids and replaced them with a reversing contactor. More room in the "control box" and it really did simplify the wiring. Factory remote works as it should also. Now if it stops working, I only have one contactor to worry about (assuming the wiring and motor are ok). Great videp.
If you plan on running the machine in rock or broken concrete then by all means run the roller guards. However if you going to run in sand crushed stone mud or snow then leave them off to allow the chain to clean itself out. When you turn and fill the chain with material the track gets super tight, you need the rollers to let the material out to prevent excess stress on the recoil springs. Hope that makes since.
That's kinda what I was thinking, plus I don't have them for both sides anyway!
Just love the fast forward of you trying to get the bolt out of the motor! LOL! I conveys a feeling I've had so many times myself! HA!
I always look forward to Old Red videos! Thanks! 👍🏻👍🏻
Works like a brand new one. Got lucky having those long bolts!
Your stator is the windings inside the motor jacket. As the rotor spins around the stator applied voltage is introduced. Any corrosion or rust will not apply the 12 v need to spin. Great job.
Thanks for posting and sharing. So great to see all the things you were able to rescue from the property where it was stored.
Great video !! Got that winch working again a little cleaning and a couple of bearings GREAT WORK !! and the extra parts back home safe !! Great video !! 👍👍👍
Вы молодцы. Но мне больше нравится когда Вы реставрируйте старые вещи. И даёте им вторую жизнь. Это завораживает
During the winter season I service all my equipment so far no problems.
Nicely done sir, I like to see that you use what you have to get things done very creative!
I need to reroute my control box to under my hood due to clearance issues and I'm glad it'll be out of the elements. This is a great video. Thanks for demystifying yet another mechanical device. Love the vids, they are my happy place.
Watching you replace the bearing is the same way a lot of us old school engineers here in N.Z. would replace them and I still do it that way.
Really cool how you pull apart the winch and just rebuilt it nice job on the finding all those parts for red it’s gonna be great to see that machine
Feats of strength... Iron man competition real world style. As old as I am now... I look at that stuff and go yepp... I'll have to phone a friend. LOL
Great repair on the winch. Your a 1 man machine 😂
Nice work as usual. You have patience for days. thanks for more great content
Glad to see you got the tiller and blade for the 318 deere! Hard pieces to find
Interesting engineering 😎
Loved this. Had some years here in the UK where I had to load dead plant from abandoned sites. Nobody around so you had to think your way round getting it onto a low loader with the winch, bits of rope, baulks of timber, lengths of chain etc. Great feeling when it's on and chained down. Rest and a couple of smokes, then head for home.
Thanks matt, nice to see the old red project running again... Looking in from the UK..
Man, you sure work hard for your toys..
Sooo very glad to see you back...missed your videos.
You always do a great job. I wonder though if it wouldn’t have been quicker and less time consuming to have brought your fork lift. You are one hard working guy.
I appreciate that Darryl! Moving the forklift is REALLY hard with the tools & machines I have right now... Trying to drive it onto that trailer the way the ramps are currently setup isn't even possible because of how little ground clearance fork trucks have, plus I need to have it at the shop to unload with... I have something in the works for that I will be able to take places (that's an upcoming series, SHHHH!!)
You are always busting your butt and just thinking about your back and stuff. I should have guessed you had something else in the works to get the job done. I look forward to new videos and especially your new cat project.
Use dielectric grease on your connections. Less chance of bad outcomes.
Stay safe
Rock guards are a must,save ya alot of headaches down the road.
New sub,I'm a old machinery restorer myself, worked twenty eight years in the coal mines,now I restore stuff. Great video.
Steel bolts into an alloy casting, what a great idea!
EXACTLY!!
The middle gear (on the motor) is the sun gear, the ones in the carrier are planets and the outer is normally called a ring gear. The whole thing is mostly referred to as an epicyclic or planetary gear set.
This is the first time I have seen that type of binder with a ratchet that you can use a drill on it.
Glad to see another update about the traxcavator. Kinda bummed I didn't get a response to the two emails I sent about buying track pads though.
Thanks Bryan! I'll get back with you I promise! I've had a ton going right now trying to get old red and a ton of other things ready before winter... It's coming quick here in the Midwest! I'll make sure you know once they're up for sale!
Woop more Traxcavator!
Nice repair 👍
Love it, thanks for taking us on your adventure!
I really enjoy your videos.You attention to detail is awesome. I wish I could find a mechanic like you. However you are much more than a great mechanic. You also have great engineering skills. I just have ONE request.I want to see you stay healthy, would it be possible to get help on some of the big heavy stuff? You don't want to wind up with back problems. I have seen you have so many close calls it worries me. You have a guardian angel that takes Very good care of you, but help her out just a little.
You don’t need to worry about rollers almost falling on top of you. Rock it barb
I learned a bunch of stuff from watching the whole video. Excellent visual going through the winch motor. Thanks-
I would have done one thing before pulling the pins on the bucket. Double up on your winch rope by using a snatch-block to increase the power. Just weld a hook or heavy D-ring to the trailer frame near the winch, hook the winch hook to that and use the snatch-block in the loop that you've made to hook onto the item. Great content, keep up the good work!
Keep the videos coming dude i love old stuff getting another chance at life
I like watching the process and the struggle. To many videos they never show what went wrong and how to problem solve it. I learn a lot from the problem solving process. Like how do you move a huge ass thing of metal onto a trailer with just one person.
to answer your question, yes. in the technology field (particularly with programmers) this is known as yak shaving. the joke being if you shave a yak by hand, by the time you're done, you have to start over. it's fixing problems to fix problems, all nested inside one another.
Yak shaving huh! Well, such is my life of yak shaving projects! Good thing I like solving problems!
What a cool expression! I've been there quite a few times!!
Ya know, if you had a track-ter with a bucket loader you could have gotten those parts on that trailer much easier.
Its coming , its coming!!
If you were thinking ‘Big Red,’ you know it wouldn’t steer don’t you? Cant use a loader that only turns one way, and doesn’t do that very well either due to the smooth drive sprocket on one side!
@@grahamstretch6863 this only turns one way?
It’s called main strength and ugliness
The best thing I did with the winch on my trailer is put a wireless remote relay setup on it, mostly because the original was shot when I got it. Works awesome for loading up vehicles that don’t run when I’m by myself
I like that idea... ill have to look into that! What wireless remote did you go with?
@@SalvageWorkshop it was just a cheapo eBay setup, cost around $50 for 2 remotes, the relay and wireless control box and seems to work pretty good for the year and a half I’ve had it. Probably better kits out there but it hasn’t let me down yet!
Groovy man 🧰😎
Quite intriguing. Great video.
Nice job!
Have enjoyed your whole series so far. Gotta tip my hat to you for the effort you put in on all this!
Everyone needs a hobby they love ❤️, clearly its providing challenges and opportunities to learn and rewards from the successes. What a great hobby 😊
Just be careful out there but stay at it!
Nice job!
Enjoyable video, I paused it and got a rag to wipe my hands, basic stress relief.
That there, is perseverance!
I would use that old Grill for a fire place screen.
A friend of mine had that thought too! Only reason I won't is that when i make bonfires, they are MASSIVE!
You are a very patient man and diligent man. I would have brought out a fork lift or something to get those parts because my lifting and prying days are over. Great Video!
Brother that's the story of my life fix one thing to fix something else lol I do love it though
Liking this series. Keep up the good work!
On all our tracked machines, we always had no rock guards, or we removed them if we got a piece that had guards installed. I suppose if you are predominantly/constantly working in areas with a large amount of rocks that could jam a roller, they might be a good idea and relatively little would end up collecting behind them. For us, the primary rule we had was that the tracks were cleaned every day (after shift) and the majority of the moving parts were greased (rollers and pins, mainly). I can't imagine how much stuff would build up around the rollers and tensioner when it couldn't be cleaned regularly and you had guards on the tracks.
At least you broke a strap doing something cool. Last weekend I broke a 25 ton strap pulling out a broken fence post.
What's not cool about removing broken fence posts!?!
@@SalvageWorkshop it wound up being cool. They had it 3' deep and concrete the whole way down. I had to dig it half out by hand, bust the concrete with a sledge, and yank it out with a F350. WAY too much effort for a 4' post on a picket fence. Lol
Would have used a tractor if it wasn't in a suburban yard.
@@Roboticus_Prime_RC I owned and ran a Landscape Design & Construction Business for 10 years, trust me my friend, I've been there! Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do!
so you hauled a load of junk. This is such an outstanding video
The nails on the brushes is so ingenious, I have always fought that part
i have used toothpicks for years in our electric motor shop,, no snags. they work great .
Really enjoying your videos and job that you do. Can’t wait for the next video, stay safe!👍👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Nice job cleanin' winch motor
Peace of Lord Jesus upon you and yours
This is the saying around our farm. "EVERYTHING is a (expletive)project...there's no such thing as an easy job...it takes 10 jobs to get 1 done!"
And the other... "Whoever has the tools wins!"
I have a similar press in my garage. Thanks for the info on how to test the solenoids.
I Really enjoy your videos ! Keep on making them !
I'm not sure about the rock guards on that particular Traxcavator, but on the D3 they're a blessing and a curse. for gravel they're great and no complaints. but when you're moving brush or into wet mud they're a headache because everything gets wedged in there. At the brick plant, we welded extra steel plates angled out to prevent that and to keep the mud from getting in there. If you've ever worked with clay, after a few days it would harden in between the gears and the rock guard, or even into the hinges of the track and just get hard a rock. The D3 is strong enough to break it loose, but man after you come back on Monday and jump in, as soon as it broke loose it would scare the crap out of you when it went BANG! and CRACK! makes you think something snapped.