Oh my gosh -- This is exactly the video instructions I been looking for. This is the only place that fully explains how to fasten the right end of the sandpaper. Thank you very much !! You not only helped your friend, you helped many of us.
I am glad it helped. If you run into problems putting the infeed/outfeed tables on, I did a video on things I ran into for that too that may be useful. :) And if you have other questions on the sander, let me know. I may not know the answer, but have figured a few things out on it so far.
You're "not sure how useful this will be...." Joseph it was super useful. After numerous attempts to install from the left side, your way is the way to do it. Thank you.
Wow I have fought and fought with mine and each time I keep forgetting how I did it before because you cannot see the thing due to the motor plate. Yes, I feel stupid but this video was so helpful. Thanks for taking a few minutes for dummies like myself!
Glad it helped. 🙂 You should not feel stupid unless you were the one who originally designed it. People design the craziest things sometimes for tools etc. The important thing is to get it figured out and/or have someone show you how it works, then you know for next time.
Happened to me first few times too. Bc of the curl of the paper it curls itself under the spring and not through the clamping section. I then started to prebend the end section to undo the curl. So it will go straight down.
I'll tell you a secret, part of the video was done using a tripod for my camcorder when it was showing through the back side. I am so glad this video helped. As I mentioned in another comment, if there are other questions let me know and I if I know how or can figure it out, I will make a video to explain it.
I am glad it helped...who would have thought a super quick video over lunch one day when my friend was complaining about his sander would have been so useful for so many people :)
They provide a little tool now? glad the video helped :) I was lucky that I realized when I was first changing the paper that 'i better look and see how it is in there before i mess it up' and so that plus my engineering oriented brain helped me get it working, and now the video can help a lot of other people too. :)
@@josephkrug8579 yeah it’s a stupid little hook tipped thing that was designed by someone who never changed the paper! 😂😂 totally confused me with their attempt to explain how to use it! It’s just so easy to do it the way you demonstrate. I would post a pic of it but I threw it in the trash!
Thanks for the vid. I just got my sander and put the paper in the first time. It took me a couple of minutes. It's much easier if you start on the right side, put the paper in, make sure it's secure, roll the paper to the left side where it's easier to operate the clip and end there. I hope this helps somebody.
I have been lucky to never have a problem putting it in from the left, it is good to know you can also do it from the right, I am guessing you needed to unroll the roll and start from the other end on the right side?
Thanks for your help. Clarified the confusion I had installing the paper. I find the clamp hard to see and now that I understand how it grabs the paper is a big help. Pictures in the owner's manual were terrible.
Good video. I struggled with this. Aggravating as heck. Then I wrapped the paper tight and slipped in a block of wood under with the slightest of pressure preventing the drum from revolving. It made installing the paper a breeze.
I am glad it helped. Once you understand the mechanism, it makes more sense how to get the paper installed. I think you will enjoy the sander a lot. I know that I enjoy mine and use it on most of my wood projects since I got it.
Thanks for this video it is by far the best one I have seen. I now know exactly what's happening when the paper is installed correctly . Performax should be ashamed for the poor pictures in the manual.
Joseph, I went through 3new #80 grit sandpaper rolls today, I was trying to sand a piece of oak that was 5’x 15”x 4” that I was wanting to make a table top. It was some rough saw mill oak that I had for about 6 years. I have about 4 pieces all about the same size. Unfortunately my Dewalt planer is only 12 inches as I sure you know and I didn’t want to cut them down to size fix my planer. I going to sell the sander and buy an industrial plainer and just go back to my Festool ob sanding. Thank you, for a good video
Yeah it is not a full replacement for a planer for rough sawn wood. In a comparison between steel/carbide cutters vs sandpaper, sandpaper would lose every time. If I was going to try that oak, I would not take super aggressive cuts and work my way down/or clean it up some on my bandsaw first (depending on how much thickness I needed to remove). I believe I got some even coarser grit than 80 for it...in one of those multi pack boxes for the paper, but so far I have not had a reason to use it, ie so far I have run the wood through the bandsaw first where I had very much to take off. Good luck with your plan, I am glad you liked the video even if you do not like the sander for what you need. :)
I have the same problem as your friend. We are missing the metal bar that the spring clamps against. Just spent a couple of hours trying to fabricate (rig) something up. Not successful yet, but not giving up.
If you have missing parts, although I love fabrication projects, maybe contact laguna, they may have the right replacement piece they can sell you for less time/effort than it is to make it. otherwise, good luck, and hope the video was useful in any case. :)
I bought one of these sanders. I threw it out. Spent lots of money and mine was a piece of junk. Right into the dumpster was the best feeling it ever gave me.
I am glad this video helped. I am sure you will enjoy your sander now that the paper changes behave better. I know I am using mine on lots of projects, and so far so good.
Great video, I was having the same issue with my 16-32. And I think I broke four rolls in the process just from not being able to see what I was doing.
I am glad it was helpful. This had been a spur of the moment quick video to try and help a friend who I had talked into getting the same sander, but the cool part is other people have found it so useful. Also thanks for subscribing as I saw that notice as well. Hopefully some of the other projects that I have done so far and in the future will be useful to you as well. And if you run into other problems let me know and if I have the tool or know how to try and solve it, I would be happy to try and make a useful video for you on it. The key with making is to share the knowledge and support each other. 😃
Well hopefully my video on the 19-38 sandpaper will help with the 25-50 too. I would expect that they have and use similar clips, since that would be easier to stock replacement parts. If you have any further questions on anything in the video let me know and I will try and explain it further.
Thanks for the video, i tried 20 mins to do it , watched your vid and did it 1 min. The left side was easy, but some demon engineer wanted to leave a nasty surprise on the right side. Maybe they expect to sell service visits to install them for buyers. DOSEN'T HAVE TO BE THAT DIFFICULT!
Im glad it helped. :) As you figured out, once you know what to do, it is not bad, but if you do not realize it, it can drive you a bit nuts. I love my drum sander so far, and I used it again today to help a neighbor clean up two projects, works great especially since you can run a board through at the same 'level' more than once and each time it takes a fraction off until you get to the perfect thickness.
Thank you so much sir ! I’m about to change the sand paper on my drum sander, and I’ve been dreading doing so because of that hard to reach right clamp. This helped a lot.
Thank you for the video! I still fin this very difficult. can't believe this has not been improved in over 10 years. Great sander - horrible belt attachment mechanism. I wish festool made a drum sander so that you could change the paper without bandaids. I;ve been doing it for 10 years and it is hit or miss every time
I am glad you enjoyed the video. I have found that if you put the paper in the right place it works every time, but it can be a challenge to make sure to get it in the right place. I have heard from some other people that they attach it on that side first then go the other way to install their paper. But that means if you buy the pre-rolled paper you have to unwrap and wrap it in reverse to use it. In any case I really like my sander so far. If you have any other questions on it, please let me know and I will see if I can help and or make a video explaining what I understand for it.
@@jc03571 I am glad it helped. :) I am curious if you also check out the pinned video from Laguna on the paper? Theirs does show it going in on the right side, but they dont explain it much. In any case, now you got it working, so that is the key. If you have other questions on the sander, let me know and maybe i could make another video if I know the answer. :)
Glad it was helpful. I made a video on the infeed/outfeed table installation too if you have those. The big issue is some of the adjustment screws were originally backwards so once you install them you cant adjust it until you take it back off and reverse it. So that may also be useful to watch. If you have other questions or comments on any of the videos etc let me know. :)
Yep, they could have hidden it so you could not look down in to see how the mechanism works. :) Luckily they made it as 'easy' as they did so we have a chance to get it to work right ourselves. Just think of how annoying it would be to have to make an appt with some paid service to have them come change the sandpaper...bleh. This way we can at least do it ourselves. :)
I am having the same problems with the right side. It is better with the paper made for the machine. The off brands, in long lengths that you cut yourself, seems to cut off real easy.
The belt moves it front to back, and I believe the drum spins it against that movement. Otherwise it would just grab it and spit it out the back. It is similar to how you do hand sanding. ie if you think about the board sitting still, you move the sandpaper forward over it, and if the board was moving towards you, it would give you better sanding, but moving away (same direction as your push stroke), you would not sand. So based on physics, it has to rotate and sand against the direction of the feed belt. :)
I have a Jet drum sander and in need of parts. Jet has discontinued some of the parts and I’m trying to figure out if Supermax parts are interchangeable. Can you please measure the overall length of the driven roller for me so I can measure mine and see if it’s the same length?
Sorry, I am not sure which piece you mean. Do you mean the actual drum width (end to end) for the 19-38 or the drive shaft width? You might also be able to call the laguna support line (or email them) to ask for the part sizing. If you can explain which piece you want, I can try and see if I can measure mine as well for you. Also, here for a replacement roller for the 19-38 I see: www.rockler.com/sanding-drum-for-supermax-19-38-combo-sander?country=US&sid=V91040&promo=shopping&PL&gclid=CjwKCAiAksyNBhAPEiwAlDBeLI0FKFmhDadrM1QBN6OuVNUNPvNHudlB10h1LQ6cqTiIW0TVI4x2pBoCXOcQAvD_BwE ie under the specifications: Brand Supermax Manufacturer Part Number 71938-1 Weight 11.000000 Tech Spec Drum Dimensions: 5'' Dia. x 19''L Material: Extruded aluminum Hope that helps, let me know if I can try and help further.
@@timothysteadham331 So do you mean the tensioning clips to hold the sandpaper onto the drum? Or do you mean part of the drive belt itself like they they talk about here? www.manualslib.com/manual/1246851/Supermax-19-38-Drum-Sander.html?page=18
@@josephkrug8579 sorry. I meant the roller at the end of the bed that you manipulate to tighten or loosen the conveyer belt. The other roller (drive roller) is connected to the conveyer belt motor but that one is more difficult to measure.
Unless it was free I would personally avoid powermatic. Then again, I also already have all the major tools I might use for projects so I may be biased.
I have had this Supermax19x38 drum sander. I would not recommend this sander. It isn’t user friendly changing the sand paper on the drum is a bitch. People save yourself some headaches. Just don’t buy this sander
Here is a similar really good video from Laguna that shows both sides being installed: th-cam.com/video/rLrMjNfDhQs/w-d-xo.html
Oh my gosh -- This is exactly the video instructions I been looking for. This is the only place that fully explains how to fasten the right end of the sandpaper. Thank you very much !! You not only helped your friend, you helped many of us.
I am glad it helped. If you run into problems putting the infeed/outfeed tables on, I did a video on things I ran into for that too that may be useful. :) And if you have other questions on the sander, let me know. I may not know the answer, but have figured a few things out on it so far.
You're "not sure how useful this will be...." Joseph it was super useful. After numerous attempts to install from the left side, your way is the way to do it. Thank you.
I am glad it helped. :) The quick video to try and just help a friend with his sander has ended up helping lots of people.
Great tutorial! I’m glad I wasn’t the only one cussing that right side attachment!
I am glad it helped, and that you got value out of the infeed/outfeed table video as well. :)
I was fighting with mine for over an hour just because I didn’t know where that tail was supposed to go. Thank you
@@gregbarber8659 Glad it helped.
Wow I have fought and fought with mine and each time I keep forgetting how I did it before because you cannot see the thing due to the motor plate. Yes, I feel stupid but this video was so helpful. Thanks for taking a few minutes for dummies like myself!
Glad it helped. 🙂 You should not feel stupid unless you were the one who originally designed it. People design the craziest things sometimes for tools etc.
The important thing is to get it figured out and/or have someone show you how it works, then you know for next time.
Happened to me first few times too. Bc of the curl of the paper it curls itself under the spring and not through the clamping section. I then started to prebend the end section to undo the curl. So it will go straight down.
Yes, as others have said, Joseph, you're a hero. And holding the camera at the same time!!
I'll tell you a secret, part of the video was done using a tripod for my camcorder when it was showing through the back side. I am so glad this video helped. As I mentioned in another comment, if there are other questions let me know and I if I know how or can figure it out, I will make a video to explain it.
I was having the same issues... took me seconds after watching your video.... Thanks!
Glad it helped :)
Great video that explains what many of us need to do. I had the same problem as your friend. Thanks much.
I am glad it helped...who would have thought a super quick video over lunch one day when my friend was complaining about his sander would have been so useful for so many people :)
Thank you for posting this. It is clear and to the point and saved me some grief and frustration.
I am glad it helped. I also did a video on some of the gotchas I found when installing the infeed and out feed tables if that would be useful .
You are a hero in my eyes to hold the camera on do the paper was amazing . I WENT ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE SPRING AND RUINED MY SAND PAPER.
I wish I could like this 1000 Times!! I was getting so pissed of trying to use that stupid little tool they provide! Thanks
They provide a little tool now? glad the video helped :) I was lucky that I realized when I was first changing the paper that 'i better look and see how it is in there before i mess it up' and so that plus my engineering oriented brain helped me get it working, and now the video can help a lot of other people too. :)
@@josephkrug8579 yeah it’s a stupid little hook tipped thing that was designed by someone who never changed the paper! 😂😂 totally confused me with their attempt to explain how to use it! It’s just so easy to do it the way you demonstrate. I would post a pic of it but I threw it in the trash!
Thanks for the vid. I just got my sander and put the paper in the first time. It took me a couple of minutes. It's much easier if you start on the right side, put the paper in, make sure it's secure, roll the paper to the left side where it's easier to operate the clip and end there. I hope this helps somebody.
I have been lucky to never have a problem putting it in from the left, it is good to know you can also do it from the right, I am guessing you needed to unroll the roll and start from the other end on the right side?
@@josephkrug8579 Yes. I just saw the Laguna video on how to align the head and that's how they put the paper on in that video.
Thanks for your help. Clarified the confusion I had installing the paper. I find the clamp hard to see and now that I understand how it grabs the paper is a big help. Pictures in the owner's manual were terrible.
I am glad this helped. I am really enjoying my drum sander so far and I hope that now it makes more sense for the clips, you can enjoy yours too.
Good video. I struggled with this. Aggravating as heck. Then I wrapped the paper tight and slipped in a block of wood under with the slightest of pressure preventing the drum from revolving. It made installing the paper a breeze.
I am glad it helped. Once you understand the mechanism, it makes more sense how to get the paper installed. I think you will enjoy the sander a lot. I know that I enjoy mine and use it on most of my wood projects since I got it.
Thanks for this video it is by far the best one I have seen. I now know exactly what's happening when the paper is installed correctly . Performax should be ashamed for the poor pictures in the manual.
Glad it was helpful, Hopefully you will enjoy your sander as much as I do.
Yes I can understand his frustration, I have the SM 25-50 and that right side is total frustration trying to get that tip in the locking mech
Joseph, I went through 3new #80 grit sandpaper rolls today, I was trying to sand a piece of oak that was 5’x 15”x 4” that I was wanting to make a table top. It was some rough saw mill oak that I had for about 6 years. I have about 4 pieces all about the same size. Unfortunately my Dewalt planer is only 12 inches as I sure you know and I didn’t want to cut them down to size fix my planer. I going to sell the sander and buy an industrial plainer and just go back to my Festool ob sanding. Thank you, for a good video
Yeah it is not a full replacement for a planer for rough sawn wood. In a comparison between steel/carbide cutters vs sandpaper, sandpaper would lose every time.
If I was going to try that oak, I would not take super aggressive cuts and work my way down/or clean it up some on my bandsaw first (depending on how much thickness I needed to remove). I believe I got some even coarser grit than 80 for it...in one of those multi pack boxes for the paper, but so far I have not had a reason to use it, ie so far I have run the wood through the bandsaw first where I had very much to take off. Good luck with your plan, I am glad you liked the video even if you do not like the sander for what you need. :)
I have the same problem as your friend. We are missing the metal bar that the spring clamps against. Just spent a couple of hours trying to fabricate (rig) something up. Not successful yet, but not giving up.
If you have missing parts, although I love fabrication projects, maybe contact laguna, they may have the right replacement piece they can sell you for less time/effort than it is to make it. otherwise, good luck, and hope the video was useful in any case. :)
I bought one of these sanders. I threw it out. Spent lots of money and mine was a piece of junk. Right into the dumpster was the best feeling it ever gave me.
Sorry to hear that, so far mine has worked great every time I have used it.
Thanks so much, I struggled with changes as well. Ruined a couple of rolls which hurts.
I am glad this video helped. I am sure you will enjoy your sander now that the paper changes behave better. I know I am using mine on lots of projects, and so far so good.
Excellent demonstration. Thanks.
Great video, I was having the same issue with my 16-32. And I think I broke four rolls in the process just from not being able to see what I was doing.
I am glad it was helpful. This had been a spur of the moment quick video to try and help a friend who I had talked into getting the same sander, but the cool part is other people have found it so useful. Also thanks for subscribing as I saw that notice as well. Hopefully some of the other projects that I have done so far and in the future will be useful to you as well. And if you run into other problems let me know and if I have the tool or know how to try and solve it, I would be happy to try and make a useful video for you on it. The key with making is to share the knowledge and support each other. 😃
Thanks for the video. It was very helpful!
I'm glad it helped :)
Thanks soooo much - this video is priceless and has saved me a lot of frustration!
I sent Supermax a e-mail that if I spent another 15 minutes on that belt that my 25-50 would be on the curb this afternoon. Time starts now.
Well hopefully my video on the 19-38 sandpaper will help with the 25-50 too. I would expect that they have and use similar clips, since that would be easier to stock replacement parts. If you have any further questions on anything in the video let me know and I will try and explain it further.
Thanks for the video, i tried 20 mins to do it , watched your vid and did it 1 min. The left side was easy, but some demon engineer wanted to leave a nasty surprise on the right side. Maybe they expect to sell service visits to install them for buyers. DOSEN'T HAVE TO BE THAT DIFFICULT!
Im glad it helped. :) As you figured out, once you know what to do, it is not bad, but if you do not realize it, it can drive you a bit nuts. I love my drum sander so far, and I used it again today to help a neighbor clean up two projects, works great especially since you can run a board through at the same 'level' more than once and each time it takes a fraction off until you get to the perfect thickness.
Ditto
Thank you. I've been fighting that little bastard for a while
Glad it helped. 😃
So have I 😜
I have been fighting this exact problem! Thanks.
Glad the video helped. :)
Thank you so much sir !
I’m about to change the sand paper on my drum sander, and I’ve been dreading doing so because of that hard to reach right clamp.
This helped a lot.
Thank you for the video! I still fin this very difficult. can't believe this has not been improved in over 10 years. Great sander - horrible belt attachment mechanism. I wish festool made a drum sander so that you could change the paper without bandaids. I;ve been doing it for 10 years and it is hit or miss every time
I am glad you enjoyed the video. I have found that if you put the paper in the right place it works every time, but it can be a challenge to make sure to get it in the right place. I have heard from some other people that they attach it on that side first then go the other way to install their paper. But that means if you buy the pre-rolled paper you have to unwrap and wrap it in reverse to use it. In any case I really like my sander so far. If you have any other questions on it, please let me know and I will see if I can help and or make a video explaining what I understand for it.
@@josephkrug8579 your video was the first that made that clear. I am trying it tonight. 🤞
Worked like a charm. Lacuna should send you free paper rolls! 😂
@@jc03571 I am glad it helped :)
@@jc03571 I am glad it helped. :) I am curious if you also check out the pinned video from Laguna on the paper? Theirs does show it going in on the right side, but they dont explain it much. In any case, now you got it working, so that is the key. If you have other questions on the sander, let me know and maybe i could make another video if I know the answer. :)
Thank you for this great information
Glad it was helpful. I made a video on the infeed/outfeed table installation too if you have those. The big issue is some of the adjustment screws were originally backwards so once you install them you cant adjust it until you take it back off and reverse it. So that may also be useful to watch. If you have other questions or comments on any of the videos etc let me know. :)
I had the exact same issues with mine. Nearly broke my fingers trying to get that clip in place. Otherwise great sander..
Thanks! Could they have made it any more difficult?
Yep, they could have hidden it so you could not look down in to see how the mechanism works. :) Luckily they made it as 'easy' as they did so we have a chance to get it to work right ourselves. Just think of how annoying it would be to have to make an appt with some paid service to have them come change the sandpaper...bleh. This way we can at least do it ourselves. :)
I am having the same problems with the right side. It is better with the paper made for the machine. The off brands, in long lengths that you cut yourself, seems to cut off real easy.
hopefully you got it figured out, this sander is too much fun to use to not have working sandpaper on it.
Thank you!!!
Glad it helped
this may be a dumb question but do the drums spin in the same direction? does one sand and the other pulls the work through, thanks
The belt moves it front to back, and I believe the drum spins it against that movement. Otherwise it would just grab it and spit it out the back. It is similar to how you do hand sanding. ie if you think about the board sitting still, you move the sandpaper forward over it, and if the board was moving towards you, it would give you better sanding, but moving away (same direction as your push stroke), you would not sand. So based on physics, it has to rotate and sand against the direction of the feed belt. :)
Thanks for a speedy reply Joseph, i'm working on a project to sand arrow shafts for a friend and so looking at all ideas
Mine came with a tool for the right side. Havent used it yet tho
Nice, maybe they changed it since I bought mine. Hopefully you will enjoy using yours as much as I have enjoyed mine so far.
@josephkrug8579 I love it
I have a Jet drum sander and in need of parts. Jet has discontinued some of the parts and I’m trying to figure out if Supermax parts are interchangeable. Can you please measure the overall length of the driven roller for me so I can measure mine and see if it’s the same length?
Sorry, I am not sure which piece you mean. Do you mean the actual drum width (end to end) for the 19-38 or the drive shaft width? You might also be able to call the laguna support line (or email them) to ask for the part sizing. If you can explain which piece you want, I can try and see if I can measure mine as well for you. Also, here for a replacement roller for the 19-38 I see: www.rockler.com/sanding-drum-for-supermax-19-38-combo-sander?country=US&sid=V91040&promo=shopping&PL&gclid=CjwKCAiAksyNBhAPEiwAlDBeLI0FKFmhDadrM1QBN6OuVNUNPvNHudlB10h1LQ6cqTiIW0TVI4x2pBoCXOcQAvD_BwE
ie under the specifications:
Brand Supermax
Manufacturer Part Number 71938-1
Weight 11.000000
Tech Spec
Drum Dimensions: 5'' Dia. x 19''L
Material: Extruded aluminum
Hope that helps, let me know if I can try and help further.
@@josephkrug8579 no the roller at the end of the belt that you tighten to put tension on the paper.
@@timothysteadham331 So do you mean the tensioning clips to hold the sandpaper onto the drum? Or do you mean part of the drive belt itself like they they talk about here? www.manualslib.com/manual/1246851/Supermax-19-38-Drum-Sander.html?page=18
@@josephkrug8579 sorry. I meant the roller at the end of the bed that you manipulate to tighten or loosen the conveyer belt. The other roller (drive roller) is connected to the conveyer belt motor but that one is more difficult to measure.
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That side gives me all kinds of trouble too!!!!!
I have not had issues once I figured out how the mechanics of the clip and paper interface work. I hope the video was useful.
The POWERMATIC IS ALWAYS PULLING LOOSE at the local college ---for what the sander cost it is ridiculous
Unless it was free I would personally avoid powermatic. Then again, I also already have all the major tools I might use for projects so I may be biased.
@@josephkrug8579 all Powermatic tools?
@@gregl2249 I have no powermatic tools and have no desire to get any either.
Even with the tool they supply, it’s still difficult I DO NOT like the clamp mech they designed for this
I have had this Supermax19x38 drum sander. I would not recommend this sander. It isn’t user friendly changing the sand paper on the drum is a bitch. People save yourself some headaches. Just don’t buy this sander
I have had it for a while now and never had an issue changing the paper so far. Sorry to hear your experience is not as nice.