Pat says..."Don't crowd me, I'm figurin' expenses." (John Wayne in True Grit) I always love it when Pat gives the horse a pet or a relaxing sigh to let him know he did the right thing.
Thank you for answering my question the name is spelled correctly it is Finnish (pronounced Carl but with a J instead of C). I worked this drill today with Bjorn (my horse) and my wife worked it with her horse and we had some good results. We will work again tomorrow. I have all your videos now and two of your bits, I am green with horses but want to learn even at 53 years young. Your way of doing things just make sense to me. Long thank you I know but needed to say it
2nd day watching this. I got more from it this time around. The timing, the "don't take it personal", the breaks in between, watching body language and understanding it. thanks again!
Perfecto Pat !! Such a Great teacher the way you handle a horse and explain the detail . I cringe thinking about my past mistakes after watching you sometimes . My horse was having an issue with this little maneuver wanting to crowd me .. I let him in my back pocket ( bad habit) and I was not getting in his left eye well enough and he would get stuck on the turn , sometimes rear . I wasn’t sure if he was just being obstinate or my cue was not clear enough . Anyway we’ve been working on this change in direction using your suggestions and he is finally getting it ... thanks to you . I watch your videos over and over again .... take notes until I get it down very well . Know you and Deb are so greatly appreciated and hope to meet you in person sometime .
As a horse trainer from germany who is using food rewards to teach the horse the academic art of riding, this is kind of a new world to me. I know Parelli, because many people in germany follow his theory, but i don't quite like it. Many of those horses are shut down and show signs of learned helplessness. But your way of communicating seems a little different and even that you are using a lot of pressure, the outcome is great.
Thank you always for breAKING IT DOWN - - the switching of hands - - it really helps for me to practice it with out the horse 1st to make it smooth and also where you bump I can get crowded and I have a better idea/technique how to ask them to get lined up thanks for saying the Eye Eye . . . .Big Grateful Val
I was searching for videos in your playlists and this one will be perfect for me to help train a pony that I help look after. Thank you for making great training and educational videos. Keep it up Pat and Deb (no such thing as too much content!)
This was so helpful and clear to me. Like many have already said, you broke this down step by step making it understandable for those of use who needed a little more instruction. I also appreciate your pace as I have a tendency to rush. Going back to the basics with my somewhat green broke 12 year old!
yep have a new OTTB Mare in my barn who needs lots of this. TY for the reminder. When I first brought her home her feet would move like a Paso Fino when asked to move. she is basically unaware of her space and and mine. Now getting the point and we're are moving slowly each step around the hind or fore quarter at liberty. time to get a little busier
I really like the” horse is mindlessly wandering, it’s called lunging” when I groundwork a horse I do it exactly the way you do, seems like down here in the southeast everyone wants to hang on to the very end of the lead rope & let the horse walk/ trot in a circle around them… still not sure what they’re trying to accomplish except maybe have the horse jerk the lead rope out of their hands & take off … but they all tell me I’m doing it wrong & that I shouldn’t be so close to the horse… my guess is fear is part of these folks equation, afraid of getting stepped on or kicked but I’ve seen more of them get struck when they” step in front of the horse” horse usually stands up because it can’t release the hindquarters without stepping up & back & they get the front legs. I think I’ll continue to do groundwork it the way you do… lol
Pat, I enjoyed your video as always. I know we have to know some of the same people. My old range used to be Eastern MT. There are some Hoot Colonies in Grass Range and Roundup. You are right about their horses. They can in fact slap you on the forehead. Normally two or three times before you even realize they did it the first time. The Hoot's are good farmers and ranchers. Good Stockmen as well. They used to truck a lot of cattle for me years ago. Good to see you healing up and still above the grass.
Thank you very much for this video. I have watched so many training videos & this is the very first one to slowly breakdown step by step, what to do, what to look for & the difference between true ground work & lunging. I happen to have a horse who is doing the same as this horse, stuck, coming in on right side & turning the head to the outside. Thank you so much!!!
I have serious doubts that I could walk a straight line on one of your bridle horses. Now, I'm no dude. I've been around a little bit. The Californio way of riding has always been a curiosity for me but living in the northern plains, I have never met anyone that was skilled with it. I love that Chinaco has a "hair trigger". That speaks a lot about how hard he wants to please you.... Even though I may never attain your level of expertise, I still enjoy watching an artist perform. Thank you. I am curious about his name though. Did you take "Chinaco" from the tequila? Or is it in reference to his common breeding? Or some other reason?
I give my 4 yo mustang direction and impulsion and he looks at me with a bored look in his eye. So, do I need to do whatever it takes to get him to move? Which, includes impulsion with a stick? Thank you.
A kind thank you Deb for the quick response. Yes, he is aware of the stick, as I use it to encourage him to change direction as he runs along the fence of the round pen. That said, he is highly sensitive to a flag. I ‘m really not sold on running him around the pen. I much prefer the calm approach that Pat employs. I may be wrong, but it appears that Pat prefers to direct rather than drive a horse.
Well he would be on a halter so there wouldn’t be any running around. He’s also a mustang so a flag is something he would see as a threat. But if you want a safe horse that won’t kick you if he gets pressured or feels threatened, it needs to be addressed. We have a number of videos and a DVD about working a horse with the flag and tarp.
Thank you. I don’t have a DVD player. They’re cheap, so l’ll invest in one. In order to get my horse moving, I plan to use a flag- the rope on his hindquarters has no effect, with your technique here. Keep his head up and looking at me through the turn should prevent me from getting kicked, yes? I’m new to this, so please excuse the elementary question.
@@rdbjr52 work your mustang loose in the roundpen at first so you don’t get kicked. Keep in mind that if you’re inexperienced, a 4 year old mustang is not the ideal horse for you: th-cam.com/video/c0LsM5Hvg5E/w-d-xo.html
Could you send me a pic of the bit that your using while ground work in this video ? Is it a missing link snaffle with a cooper roller in the middle ? If so who has or makes this bit your using ?
It is Pat’s invention. The link to our website is in the description of each of our videos and scrolls at the end of each video: www.thedisciplinedride.com/store/missing-link-snaffle
No. A horse that’s blind in one eye that is so young will be dangerous to work around. And yes, there are exceptions, but in general, a horse that is blind will not make a good, gentle horse.
Don't allow it. Watch what other horses do when they feel crowded. Get big and use your presence. And don't hesitate to smack him in the head if necessary. Do it one time in a big way and you won't have to do it a second time.
Grazing bits are good for little kids because they can keep the horse from eating grass. Gag bits are in the same category as correction bits. They are pain inducing gimmicks used by people who typically push their horses too far and too fast and ride with too much hand and not enough leg.
No. The goal is to have the horse come straight to the human with both eyes. When Pat asked Pie to join him, he stepped into the horse’s eye and stepped back to draw the horse in. The horse is choosing to not come all the way in.
Greetings from California., I have grown up on a ranch, all my life. 64, now, 2y. My husband has passed . So running the ranch my self. At my age this might seem like an odd question but..... my father had 9 brother and sisters and grew up on a tough ranch,family owned ,from before California was a state, old school I'm saying. No lady, horses on the place,they are mean and come into heat,a pain in the a.......s ,and a wreck waiting to happen. And through my life geldings are the thing to have, dependable, ect. I have rode both, do you think, or is it possible, that the geldings, are less horse because they have been castrated., well we know it gentle em, are the lady's all horse all hormones, strong willed , different to work with, a little more like a stud, I have seen good and bad ones, people don't like them much. Why, ? I am seeing more cowboys riding them now, ......because they are cheaper, cowboys wages you know. What do you think? I have one now, given of course, lol, trust she has trust problems snorting ect. But smart, gave her 30 days and started using her at the sale yard, after a short time she bucked the gal off, I'm not surprised no ground work. I put her with my old geldings, calmed her, she is not skidish, she is like a stone and braced in the mouth, half draft, and driftwood. I got on her in the coral, walking around slowly I could feel a tremendous run through her, but she seemed calm. Hummm, I got off, is this a shut down. She doesn't feel tight or like she had a hump in her back. She is 6yr. So .... not started right? Question start all over with your ground work a lot before she goes outside. Or has she had to much ground work, and she is shut down, so take her outside and ride her out slow and steady, ? Suggestions? For horses who have a hole in them? I think she has one. How do I find it and fix it ,with out getting .... in a wreck one day I used to ride all the colts out side when I was young dad would start them, 60 days . Then put us experienced teenagers on them for about 90 days then turn em out for 30 days then he would go back to riding them.lol. I say all this so you know my age and experience level. No colts any more ,broke horses , now I'm messing with this gal, .... what do you think. About the tremor. And could you talk about what to do when you are riding a horse and you feel it. Back to round pen. Or ride her out side ,till she blows and work her through it, if you don't get bucked , off. What do you think.
Pat, I hope you will forgive me...I have to explain to these folks exactly WHAT you are doing, (or somebody does), or they will never compute what you are actually doing......Folks,.. Pat is in ACTUALITY teaching YOU how to "Talk" to horses...horses have their own language, and it is actually READING YOU.....by your movements and motions, you are actually TALKING to them.....as a by-product, while he is teaching you folks how to speak "Horse", he training his horse..... everything you do, say, move, and your breathing, is ACTUALLY read by the horse, and he responds according to what he sees....when you understand THAT, you can BEGIN to learn horse language.....this is the "Tip of the Iceberg".....Thanks for the lessons Pat.........OnWard.....
Pat says..."Don't crowd me, I'm figurin' expenses." (John Wayne in True Grit) I always love it when Pat gives the horse a pet or a relaxing sigh to let him know he did the right thing.
Thank you for answering my question the name is spelled correctly it is Finnish (pronounced Carl but with a J instead of C). I worked this drill today with Bjorn (my horse) and my wife worked it with her horse and we had some good results. We will work again tomorrow. I have all your videos now and two of your bits, I am green with horses but want to learn even at 53 years young. Your way of doing things just make sense to me. Long thank you I know but needed to say it
2nd day watching this. I got more from it this time around. The timing, the "don't take it personal", the breaks in between, watching body language and understanding it. thanks again!
Perfecto Pat !!
Such a Great teacher the way you handle a horse and explain the detail .
I cringe thinking about my past mistakes after watching you sometimes .
My horse was having an issue with this little maneuver wanting to crowd me .. I let him in my back pocket ( bad habit) and I was not getting in his left eye well enough and he would get stuck on the turn , sometimes rear . I wasn’t sure if he was just being obstinate or my cue was not clear enough .
Anyway we’ve been working on this change in direction using your suggestions and he is finally getting it ... thanks to you .
I watch your videos over and over again .... take notes until I get it down very well .
Know you and Deb are so greatly appreciated and hope to meet you in person sometime .
Fyi. Love watching you and your no nonsense approach. I find you interesting not boring at all.
As a horse trainer from germany who is using food rewards to teach the horse the academic art of riding, this is kind of a new world to me. I know Parelli, because many people in germany follow his theory, but i don't quite like it. Many of those horses are shut down and show signs of learned helplessness. But your way of communicating seems a little different and even that you are using a lot of pressure, the outcome is great.
I don’t see where he’s using a “lot” of pressure. He’s more using repetition for refinement.
The buggers always push on the right side .
A True Horseman
Thank you always for breAKING IT DOWN - - the switching of hands - - it really helps for me to practice it with out the horse 1st to make it smooth and also where you bump I can get crowded and I have a better idea/technique how to ask them to get lined up thanks for saying the Eye Eye . . . .Big Grateful Val
Finally I know how to change the rope in my hands to be able to send the horse to each side.
Master at work watching you from uk england!
I was searching for videos in your playlists and this one will be perfect for me to help train a pony that I help look after.
Thank you for making great training and educational videos. Keep it up Pat and Deb (no such thing as too much content!)
Thank you Pat. I used to do this same exercise with my friends morgan.
This was so helpful and clear to me. Like many have already said, you broke this down step by step making it understandable for those of use who needed a little more instruction. I also appreciate your pace as I have a tendency to rush. Going back to the basics with my somewhat green broke 12 year old!
yep have a new OTTB Mare in my barn who needs lots of this. TY for the reminder. When I first brought her home her feet would move like a Paso Fino when asked to move. she is basically unaware of her space and and mine. Now getting the point and we're are moving slowly each step around the hind or fore quarter at liberty. time to get a little busier
Fantastic video as always!! We appreciate all you guys do!
I really like the” horse is mindlessly wandering, it’s called lunging” when I groundwork a horse I do it exactly the way you do, seems like down here in the southeast everyone wants to hang on to the very end of the lead rope & let the horse walk/ trot in a circle around them… still not sure what they’re trying to accomplish except maybe have the horse jerk the lead rope out of their hands & take off … but they all tell me I’m doing it wrong & that I shouldn’t be so close to the horse… my guess is fear is part of these folks equation, afraid of getting stepped on or kicked but I’ve seen more of them get struck when they” step in front of the horse” horse usually stands up because it can’t release the hindquarters without stepping up & back & they get the front legs. I think I’ll continue to do groundwork it the way you do… lol
Pat, I enjoyed your video as always. I know we have to know some of the same people. My old range used to be Eastern MT. There are some Hoot Colonies in Grass Range and Roundup. You are right about their horses. They can in fact slap you on the forehead. Normally two or three times before you even realize they did it the first time. The Hoot's are good farmers and ranchers. Good Stockmen as well. They used to truck a lot of cattle for me years ago. Good to see you healing up and still above the grass.
Thank you very much for this video. I have watched so many training videos & this is the very first one to slowly breakdown step by step, what to do, what to look for & the difference between true ground work & lunging. I happen to have a horse who is doing the same as this horse, stuck, coming in on right side & turning the head to the outside. Thank you so much!!!
I needed this lesson today... thank you!!
Great video Pat and Debb that’s areal nice looking bay .
Inspiring as always , thanks. Like Deb's little giggle at the end. Getting some nice fall rides in here in Nova Scotia.
One thing he's not crossing in behind on his turns, he's doing the side shuffle. He's a lovely big boy great job
I have serious doubts that I could walk a straight line on one of your bridle horses.
Now, I'm no dude. I've been around a little bit.
The Californio way of riding has always been a curiosity for me but living in the northern plains, I have never met anyone that was skilled with it.
I love that Chinaco has a "hair trigger". That speaks a lot about how hard he wants to please you....
Even though I may never attain your level of expertise, I still enjoy watching an artist perform.
Thank you.
I am curious about his name though. Did you take "Chinaco" from the tequila? Or is it in reference to his common breeding? Or some other reason?
I give my 4 yo mustang direction and impulsion and he looks at me with a bored look in his eye. So, do I need to do whatever it takes to get him to move? Which, includes impulsion with a stick?
Thank you.
Yes. Whatever it takes so long as he has been introduced to your stick already. Also we use a flag not a stick because it makes noise.
A kind thank you Deb for the quick response. Yes, he is aware of the stick, as I use it to encourage him to change direction as he runs along the fence of the round pen. That said, he is highly sensitive to a flag. I ‘m really not sold on running him around the pen. I much prefer the calm approach that Pat employs. I may be wrong, but it appears that Pat prefers to direct rather than drive a horse.
Well he would be on a halter so there wouldn’t be any running around. He’s also a mustang so a flag is something he would see as a threat. But if you want a safe horse that won’t kick you if he gets pressured or feels threatened, it needs to be addressed. We have a number of videos and a DVD about working a horse with the flag and tarp.
Thank you. I don’t have a DVD player. They’re cheap, so l’ll invest in one. In order to get my horse moving, I plan to use a flag- the rope on his hindquarters has no effect, with your technique here. Keep his head up and looking at me through the turn should prevent me from getting kicked, yes? I’m new to this, so please excuse the elementary question.
@@rdbjr52 work your mustang loose in the roundpen at first so you don’t get kicked. Keep in mind that if you’re inexperienced, a 4 year old mustang is not the ideal horse for you:
th-cam.com/video/c0LsM5Hvg5E/w-d-xo.html
Could you send me a pic of the bit that your using while ground work in this video ? Is it a missing link snaffle with a cooper roller in the middle ? If so who has or makes this bit your using ?
It is Pat’s invention. The link to our website is in the description of each of our videos and scrolls at the end of each video: www.thedisciplinedride.com/store/missing-link-snaffle
Would you start a 2 yo with a blind eye the same as any other colt
No. A horse that’s blind in one eye that is so young will be dangerous to work around. And yes, there are exceptions, but in general, a horse that is blind will not make a good, gentle horse.
How do you break a horse from crowding you when feeding?
Don't allow it. Watch what other horses do when they feel crowded. Get big and use your presence. And don't hesitate to smack him in the head if necessary. Do it one time in a big way and you won't have to do it a second time.
What are y’all’s thoughts on grazin bits and gag bits?
Grazing bits are good for little kids because they can keep the horse from eating grass. Gag bits are in the same category as correction bits. They are pain inducing gimmicks used by people who typically push their horses too far and too fast and ride with too much hand and not enough leg.
Thank you
Is he reluctant to step forward because he’s in front of his eye?
No. The goal is to have the horse come straight to the human with both eyes. When Pat asked Pie to join him, he stepped into the horse’s eye and stepped back to draw the horse in. The horse is choosing to not come all the way in.
How long is your lead rope?
Long enough to reach back of horse if needed, l"m guessing.
Greetings from California., I have grown up on a ranch, all my life. 64, now, 2y. My husband has passed . So running the ranch my self. At my age this might seem like an odd question but..... my father had 9 brother and sisters and grew up on a tough ranch,family owned ,from before California was a state, old school I'm saying. No lady, horses on the place,they are mean and come into heat,a pain in the a.......s ,and a wreck waiting to happen. And through my life geldings are the thing to have, dependable, ect. I have rode both, do you think, or is it possible, that the geldings, are less horse because they have been castrated., well we know it gentle em, are the lady's all horse all hormones, strong willed , different to work with, a little more like a stud, I have seen good and bad ones, people don't like them much. Why, ? I am seeing more cowboys riding them now, ......because they are cheaper, cowboys wages you know. What do you think? I have one now, given of course, lol, trust she has trust problems snorting ect. But smart, gave her 30 days and started using her at the sale yard, after a short time she bucked the gal off, I'm not surprised no ground work. I put her with my old geldings, calmed her, she is not skidish, she is like a stone and braced in the mouth, half draft, and driftwood. I got on her in the coral, walking around slowly I could feel a tremendous run through her, but she seemed calm. Hummm, I got off, is this a shut down. She doesn't feel tight or like she had a hump in her back. She is 6yr. So .... not started right? Question start all over with your ground work a lot before she goes outside. Or has she had to much ground work, and she is shut down, so take her outside and ride her out slow and steady, ? Suggestions? For horses who have a hole in them? I think she has one. How do I find it and fix it ,with out getting .... in a wreck one day I used to ride all the colts out side when I was young dad would start them, 60 days . Then put us experienced teenagers on them for about 90 days then turn em out for 30 days then he would go back to riding them.lol. I say all this so you know my age and experience level. No colts any more ,broke horses , now I'm messing with this gal, .... what do you think. About the tremor. And could you talk about what to do when you are riding a horse and you feel it. Back to round pen. Or ride her out side ,till she blows and work her through it, if you don't get bucked , off. What do you think.
We can’t sort this out here. Email your phone number to debpuckett@gmail.com .
If I am correct, this can be done with ANY horse of ANY AGE .. the hardest part is switching hands with the ROPE ??? hahahhahhahahhahah
Pat, I hope you will forgive me...I have to explain to these folks exactly WHAT you are doing, (or somebody does), or they will never compute what you are actually doing......Folks,.. Pat is in ACTUALITY teaching YOU how to "Talk" to horses...horses have their own language, and it is actually READING YOU.....by your movements and motions, you are actually TALKING to them.....as a by-product, while he is teaching you folks how to speak "Horse", he training his horse.....
everything you do, say, move, and your breathing, is ACTUALLY read by the horse, and he responds according to what he sees....when you understand THAT, you can BEGIN to learn horse language.....this is the "Tip of the Iceberg".....Thanks for the lessons Pat.........OnWard.....