So Hannah and I got a bit carried away! We had so much to say in this video that we decided to split it into two parts - the second half will be out in about two weeks. Sorry it's not sooner, but these things aren't simple to edit and I have some Hawaiian ork boyz to paint...
some suggestions: +the necrons' homeworld, bathed in radiation (bonus points for some cheeky spec bio on how the fleshy necrontyr would have looked/functioned) +that one where fulgrim finds the edgy whispery demon sword, with all the floating islands (bonus points for rythian speaking more swedish/daf speaking welsh as incoherent warp-language) +the remnants of space-batman's homeworld (what would be left on those shards?)
It was said in the book that Laeran's islands were floating thanks to technology/warp magic. It was normal world but polar ice caps melted, submerging the planet
Fenris does have an tropical southern half ill would just assume Armageddon is like that because Orc terraformed it and it serectly has warp engines that can transport the planet anywhere, anti grav tech to allow it to orbit planets without effecting it ect
To have asteroid/comet to push planet to higher orbit - you would need TWO of them (otherwise you'll just have ecliptic orbit with low perihelion and high aphelion). Also, hit by such massive thing will cause complete destruction and melting of planet, no way it'll have water in liquid form for billions years.
I thought it was established canon that earth's atmosphere was nuked to oblivion along with its ecosystem so the water vanishing isn't that surprising.
The problem with the Armageddon map is partly solved when you look at the map that came with the original strategy board game "battle for armageddon" the map is made with East at the top, so the position and orientation of the equatorial jungle makes sense. Later renditions of the map seem to be confused about the orientation. Which has annoyed me for nearly 20 years :)
@@serronpdub I thought that at first, but the map still wouldn't make sense in that case because both poles would get similar amounts of sunlight over the course of the year, so you wouldn't have one always cold and one always hot. As far as simply rotating the map, that fixes the jungle problem, but again, now the hot and cold areas don't make sense unless the planet is tidally locked. If that's the case, though, the jungle makes no sense again. I'm almost leaning towards heavy axis wobble during it's orbit or it has more than one axis of rotation, but I'm not sure if those are even possible or would really solve the problem.
Armageddom being a Tidally locked planet with it being affected by Gravitational forces makes a whole lot more sense and makes it a very interesting planet (and it adds a metaphorical angle where its has remained in a constant unchanging war with life in the planet being sandwiched between 2 extreme forces) P.S considering how unreliable Imperial records are a very careless Imperial Scribe would confuse an Top East and Bottom West map for a Traditional North and South Map makes a whole lot of sense in the lore and not the worst case of Imperial incompetence. (The Imperium does at times send its men in cases where Wars are already over or worse gave them inadequate equipment.)
@@tnynfox1669 Because without the enemy of Chaos to purge, Humanity's unity would waver and we would be lost to the xeno filth, so the Emperor in his wisdom allows the traitorous scum to exist. For now.
One of the great features of 40k lore is the omnipresent fog of "unreliable narrator." Sure the "Official" reason Valhalla's orbit shifted was a comet... like a big iron rich comet. Nothing to do with crazy Mechanicum experiments or warp****ery. It was a comet, sure, and I have a magic bridge on Prospero I want to sell you.
@yossarian everyone in the Galaxy is a lying sack of sh*t. Eldar lie with their* very existence. Even the Ork Boyz lie about how many ooomies they can wallop. To summarize : "Its all lies?" *points bolter* "Always has been."
@yossarian the premise is that 'everything is canon, and nothing is canon.' This makes it possible to write a story in the setting without having to know absolutely everything about the lore beyond the abstract concepts used (lasguns exist, the writers know this. But this abstraction makes it possible to write in the setting without having to know or care about the millions of specific patterns that could be used). This practice of abstraction is used all across the board by way of generalizations. For example, a lasgun CAN be rediculously strong, but this steps outside of the generalization of a lasgun, which is pretty much just a miniaturized and cheap energy based equivalent of .45/.50 caliber rifles, doing roughly the same damage. However, there will also be instances where the lore outright conflicts with itself, such as the instances where lasgun shots might do only marginal damage against something like an ork (hence the nickname of 'flashlight' by the overall fanbase). However were you to get shot in the arm, your entire limb would be taking a permanent vacation from your body. When it comes to lore in the setting, the general premise isn't that you're getting it from anyone in particular; rather, it's like you're reading directly from the Imperium's manuscript regarding latest/historical events, with a mildly uncharacteristically unbiased twist to it. As such, the entire universe will be completely lacking in solid details or numbers. You will not be finding many population counts or weapon yields beyond that of estimations and general summaries of what the weapons can do, regardless of whether or not the concepts are feasible within our scientific universe. This vagueness allows for fantasy elements to be introduced without needing to have extensive scifi handwaving taking place, while also creating a constant and ever expanding window for more content to be created within this shared universe, all the while without completely invalidating previously existing stories in the process... though with the only exceptions being the very old parts of the lore that ended up being dismissed, be it overtly or silently.
@yossarian Technically, everything that has been written in any official product is considered canon, however, GW has stated that this does not mean 'true.' Something could be a rumor, a theory, or a lie, but it has been presented as true within the setting. "Valhalla got hit by a comet, that's why it froze over," is something the Imperium would tell the plebs, because they cannot be allowed to know that it was actually some heretical nonsense.
Almost makes me not annoyed that they forgot the fact that fenris isn't permanently cold, but rather have a long and extreme rotation, the extreme land shifting during the summer, and the wonderful wat of having only a single semistatic landmass
"I left my homeworld the night it died, and I've been fighting for its memory ever since. We Tanith are a dying breed. There are only about twenty hundred of us left. Gaunt only got away with enough for one regiment. The Tanith First. The First-and-Only. That's what makes us 'Ghosts', you see. The last few unquiet souls of a dead world. And I suppose we'll keep going until we're all done." Tanith stands! Tanith Forever!
This was a goddamned delight to watch. I'm not a Warhammer Player, but you and Hannah made something accessible and interesting to a general science/sci-fi enthusiast like myself. Learning about all these worlds, both real and imagined, also really fired up my imagination. There's clearly a lot of in-jokes and references that will delight 40K players, many of which were funny even without context! Well done and looking forward to Part 2!
You missed the part about Fenris’s season of fire when the planet gets closer to its star and volcanos go off creating islands all over the ocean until the eventually sink back into the depths
I was thinking the same thing. The planet doesn't have one season. Although if the planet had an extreme tilt that would also do the same thing, but then we would have months long days and nights in the lore.
Yeah, it kind of just came off as, "an excuse to deny climate change but play it off as a joke if called out, but forgot to actually present it as if it was a joke". Not cool, in an otherwise fun video about worldbuilding.
@@KingBobXVI pretty sure he was making fun of the host, who is educated in that exact field. apparently american sarcasm is a fair bit more exaggerated than in europe
@@e-plastic - Poe's law is much more of an issue in the US. You can't just straight-faced say something that 45+ percent of the country fully believes and expect people to take it as sarcasm. You may know the claim is ridiculous, but there's no way for me to know you know the claim is ridiculous, because the people who _don't_ know it's ridiculous say the exact same thing in the exact same way.
19:00 "This idea is completely unrealistic and impossible, just a bit like anthropogenic climate change" So it's a completely realistic and possible planet then? Good to know
So this popped up in my reccomended, and i thought it was another cheap list trying to cash in on Warhammer's sudden popularity. I'm glad to say that i was surprised how well made, informative and hilarious this was. This is great!
The warp is realm where time is meaningless, the laws of physics are pointless, reality doesn't mean anything, and logic doesn't exist so yeah daemon worlds are automatically not possible
That one medical doctor: "...completely unrealistic and impossible, a bit like anthropogenic climate change..." I don't know if I missed some joke or what, but if that's what he believes he should stay with medicine and not talk about stuff he doesn't understand.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 the doctor they brought on was making a joke at Simon, because he’s a atmospheric scientist, in the same vein as the “you’re not a real doctor” jokes
Me starting video: I hope these aren't just random scientists who they brought in to make a clickbait video. People making video: (Shows one guy painting a tourist Ork) Me: Oh, we're good. We GOOD.
@yossarian something like a cinematic universe would utterly ruin the setting, as there's no way hollywood would ever accept something as grimdark as warhammer being played on the big screen, and as such would probably demand some sort of softer, and lighter interpretation.
@yossarian I think an animated or live action of the main plot of the horus heresy would be excellent. Or perhaps Gaunt's Ghosts or Space Wolves books. Some of the other books might be too difficult to get a mainstream audience to connect to because you have to know a lot more about the lore already in order to understand them.
Rtgame vs the emperor of mankind One, a lunatic Irish man with destructive meteors The other, a being that is terrible at being a father, but is very strong But when you hear this song... "Big iron on his hip" You know it did not end in the others death
This was amazing! For a start it looked incredible, the science frankly aroused me (I'm not even joking) and even though I'm a filthy casual, I still understood a solid 10% of the gags. I'm going to try to dig my collection of late 90s/early 00s Space Wolves (Ragnar's grunge phase) out this weekend!
"THIS VIDEO BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID" Hot damn I love the IG. They're probably my favourite part of the 40k universe. Excellent video! I look forwards to part 2.
Because IG is just a large number of regular joes and janes band together to make changes, no supermen, no warp heresy, just people like you and me that do their daily job of fighting for the survival of humanity.
This vid "chemical warfare on a continental scale would prevent this from ever existing." 40k "Ermmm, yer, we just call that Tuesday, and it's not a reason to pretend you don't exist, I see you guardsman hiding out in that crater!"
Lmfao you antiscience normies are so soft 🤣 yes its called climate change because "global warming" began to sound very stupid as the planet cooled within the last 10 years or so. They'll tell you that govt needs more power or the world will end in ten years about every ten years or so. Keep falling for it 🤣😂
I like the content and all, but having a rando you go to for facts throw in "Anthropogenic Climate Change doesn't exist" in the same tone as other bits of info touted as fact seems out of place and just introduces a small bit of doubt to all the other information's reliability and authenticity. Even if it was a "Joke" as you claim, it really didn't have to be included.
Accept the truth, filthy casual! The climate changed regularly long before humans existed, and it will continue to change long after we have wiped ourselves from existence. Get over it
@@fallenspherell8178 He didn't say that climate change was not real or fake; rather, he simply stated that the cause is in question (in that he does not believe it to be anthropogenic, or 'man made,' for those who don't know). Regardless of whether he were genuine or not, such a topic would make for a very interesting topic of discussion; I'd be very interested to see the alternative hypothesis regarding the cause of climate change, especially since the cult of the status quo makes genuine discussions impossible, not without them trying to constantly shame you or talk down to you.
@@Gogglesofkrome for sake of argument here's an alternative theory: the earth goes through warming and cooling phases as part of a natural cycle. Examples: the start and end of the ice age, the medieval warm period ect
@@Gogglesofkrome - "he simply stated that the cause is in question (in that he does not believe it to be anthropogenic, or 'man made,' for those who don't know)" But the cause is not in question, it's been settled for a long time. "Ok, it's real, but not our fault" has been the backpedal of cliamte change denialists for a little under the last decade or so. The problem with the "debate" between "is it anthropogenic or not" is that the side that says it is uses actual data and mountains of research to back itself up, while the side saying it isn't... doesn't. The problem is that the argument always devolves into a shouting match over a few very specific cherrypicked points ("but that one ice sheet in Antarctica got bigger - please ignore all the others there and in Greenland") or plainly misinterpreted data. It's also a near impossible "debate" to have "without them trying to shame or talk down to you" when you interpret any contradiction of evidence as "shaming and talking down", which is often the case with those complaints.
If we consider how many orbital stations/sattelites must be around earth, those themselves could act as some sort of shield. Blocking a fraction of the sun's energy from reaching the surface 40k is mad, and I love it
15:00 I just wanted to mention that the "hurricane force wind speeds" on Mars is incorrect. The fastest wind speed ever recorded on Mars was only 60mph, the weakest wind speed classified as 'hurricane force' is 75, Mars doesn't have a thick enough atmosphere or the right climate to produce very strong winds
The Adeptus Mechanicus approves of the application of sacred knowledge, but Oliensis isna chaos world in the eye of Terror so it is the very peak of warp magic. Also of note that Terra in the past had around 100 trillion population that was recently changed to quadrillions. Thousands of Coruscants.
I lost it at the Space Wolf speaking skånska, for those who don't know is a southern Swedish accent. That was on point! Pointing out though - The Salamanders' homeworld is called Nocturne, not Nostramo. :)
One of the crazy things in 40k and what happened for Armageddon (Ullanor) where they used huge leveling machines to turn the continents into flat lands in order to build for Horus' coronation to warmaster. How would this impact a planet? I am thinking it would increase storms and winds, but is this realistic?
Yes. But a better way to think of it was 1 of the largest dam. Has so much water in one location for a long time it affected the surround land. That has made the land around it to be siasimc
This is a really cool video, I‘ve never had anything to do with Warhammer and yet this was very interesting and well produced. Thanks guys, I‘m looking forward to part 2!
He's a machine. I love his whole schtick with being super quiet without even trying. Basically a futuristic ninja. In later books he just gets more and more awesome.
@@Madhattersinjeans Taking out a Chaos dreadnought with only a lasgun, a grenade and a bunch of sound-sensitive cacti kind of solidifies his incredible talents as a sneaky scout in my mind!
About Holy Terra - it is described as a planet-wide city, iirc. And that changes your analysis. Sure, it might not have oceans to work as thermal batteries, but the planet covered in a city like that would not have a problem with heating up... it would have a problem with cooling down! The amount of heat produced on a planet like that would be a huge problem. Also, you don't get dust storms because the ground levels are not accessible to wind - it would be like having a dust storm in a forest... ain't gonna happen. Ground would be dust and scorched earth, but that's it. You'd get wind only on the top levels of a global ecumenopolis, lower levels would not feel even a breeze. Water for people and industry can be imported (we are talking about a galactic-level empire here, no biggie even for WH40K universe) and atmosphere can be constantly generated if needed. It is all a question of power availability on Terra - enough power and you don't have any of the problems with water, atmosphere etc. But the cooling down problem remains - a planet like that would need some serious heat sink mechanism or some passive cooling system (radiators) that would vent excess heat into space.
My favourite planet is turdillo, a young orc saw a toilet and thought it was some portal to another planet where all waste was disposed, he told his friends and the thought grew until eventually a planet of pure poo was born
Star Craft was a knockoff 40k, as in Imperial Guardsmen/Planetary Defence Force fighting against Tyranids but because gamesworkshop don't like Blizzard so they handed over the license to Relic instead..
Great video, but I have a couple of nits to pick. Firstly, you left out Fenris' weird elliptical orbit, which means that for parts of the year, it's so far from its star that it _does_ freeze solid while for other parts of the year it's close enough that it basically catches fire and weird things happen to its tectonics and continents. Secondly, the Tanith First-and-Only _don't_ have plot armour - after their campaign on Verghast as depicted in _Necropolis,_ they had to recruit heavily from the local population. And later in the series, they were temporarily merged with another scouting regiment because of losses sustained over several campaigns. 26:41 _[sobs in Colm Corbec and "Try Again" Bragg]_ *FETH YOU, LIJAH CUU!* 26:42 And don't forget MkVenner, the man who out-stealthed a drunchii _Mandrake_ 27:37 *THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID!*
Hey Simon, will you be reviewing The Dune on Goodreads? Interesting to hear your take on it. Also a video analysis of some aspects of Herbert’s world would be cool
Seeing the Armageddon map, I have a question: what would be conditions on a rock planet that rotates like Uranus? One pole always points to a star while another is in darkness?
You're actually talking about two different things here: Uranus's poles are "sideways" instead of being "up and down", but the poles still point in the same direction as it orbits the Sun. This means that the equator would spend the middle of summer and middle of winter in perpetual twilight, but in spring and summer would experience a similar day-night cycle to Earth. As for what would happen if the axis of rotation itself rotated, keeping one pole pointed towards the star throughout the year, I'm pretty sure that can't happen. The angular momentum of the planet's rotation would resist the change in the axis of rotation, meaning you'd end up with either a tidally locked planet or one that rotates like Uranus does with extreme seasons.
Love the implication that Terra's state is a reflection of the emperor's own. A kind of undeath sustained by all manner of advanced arcane sciences, no longer a living thing, but more akin to a muchiene sustained by those unable to let go of the past. (Well if Emp's dies it will be a lot more than the past going down the crapper, but you get my point.)
It’s sci fi not fantasy. The chaos gods, Plato’s forms Astartes, Genetically modified cyborgs soldiers Orks, Fungus Etc It’s based on real things and it uses science its not fantasy
@@Flight_of_Icarus Space fantasy or science fantasy is just a pretentious way of saying soft science fiction. Because some people have trouble differentiating between hard sci-fi, which uses actual established science, and soft sci-fi, which uses scientifically plausible ideas in scientifically implausible ways.
So from what i can tell it was a jab at simon clark who is an atmospheric scientist but he was soo deadpan in his delivery by American standards at least that it came off as if he was in denial about climate change
Cool stuff, looking forward to the follow up. Quick question, what would the effects be on a Earth-like planet be if the equator plus a few degrees north and south was permanently blocked from direct sunlight? Say by mirror satellites orbiting the planet. I'm thinking a general cooling and very strong winds going too and from the darkened equator.
All very enjoyable. Then around 19:30, a doctor said ' impossible, just like human caused climate change' - what? Where did that piece of pseudo science come from? Stopped watching.
Yeah that threw me too. Just saying throwing 500K tons of CO2 into the atmosphere EVERY year has no effect on the atmosphere? It's a closed system that we are adding mined inputs into how could it NOT have an effect.
So Hannah and I got a bit carried away! We had so much to say in this video that we decided to split it into two parts - the second half will be out in about two weeks. Sorry it's not sooner, but these things aren't simple to edit and I have some Hawaiian ork boyz to paint...
This was a blast. Looking forward to the next one.
Don’t forget the Blood planet and Port Maw in your next videos!
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Great Video - suggestion wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Periremunda
I'm looking forward to your take on Abbadon's Epic Rage Quit.
Simon: "We wont look at witchcraft psyker planets."
Also Simon: "Slaaneshi fat man fat planet."
Sardeed Obviously.
If the eye were to ever collapse that one would outright disappear.
@@AAhmou or worse, experience what actually happens to a living organism in the void of space.
@@Nightmare704RY Likely fart itself to death, but naturally enjoy it, being a Slaaneshi world.
I mean it exists in a place where the laws of reality are... optional
@Sardeed no mostly +18
some suggestions:
+the necrons' homeworld, bathed in radiation (bonus points for some cheeky spec bio on how the fleshy necrontyr would have looked/functioned)
+that one where fulgrim finds the edgy whispery demon sword, with all the floating islands (bonus points for rythian speaking more swedish/daf speaking welsh as incoherent warp-language)
+the remnants of space-batman's homeworld (what would be left on those shards?)
Plus The Squat homeworld, or any world that changes the physiology of a human into an abhuman.
i mean nostramo had loads of adamantium
@@flamethrower194 I mean, Squats are just high gravity and time.
@@aquila4460 True, still interesting to me though.
It was said in the book that Laeran's islands were floating thanks to technology/warp magic. It was normal world but polar ice caps melted, submerging the planet
"Don't forget our dust museum"
23:49
My brother plays Space Furries and this joke got me pretty damn good.
Signed, a Blue Space Commie.
All is duuuuuust
27:15 Cadian roooads!
@Jacob Moffatt Where I can shove a long pointy stick down Abaddon's throooat.
@@eidolon9625 western battle
I love how Australia was just flashing red in that graphic
Okay but I specifically need that "Country Roads" version
Waiting for a video on scientists talk about Ork technology
Dust collection was the joke that got me
I wish you'd put up a disclaimer. I had to pause the video when your guest made the climate denial joke.
Very jarring.
i just want to see a whole army of tourist orcs
Krieg Guardmen never forgave Cadians for allowing their world to blow up before Krieg got a chance to indulge in the glorious battle.
Fenris does have an tropical southern half
ill would just assume Armageddon is like that because Orc terraformed it and it serectly has warp engines that can transport the planet anywhere, anti grav tech to allow it to orbit planets without effecting it ect
To have asteroid/comet to push planet to higher orbit - you would need TWO of them (otherwise you'll just have ecliptic orbit with low perihelion and high aphelion). Also, hit by such massive thing will cause complete destruction and melting of planet, no way it'll have water in liquid form for billions years.
Nobody needs Psyic Laws if you have the Laws of the Emporer
WOW, this was super interesting, literally the part about sci-fi I like the most in detail
9:02 Digby From ZF?
“That’s just wrong”, if it’s wrong, a Chaos wizard did it.
a "wizard" you mean sorcerer
@taniths 1st and only sgt iron on duty
sorry i dont see a difference
@taniths 1st and only sgt iron on duty
that was a joke
@taniths 1st and only sgt iron on duty so we whooshed each other
@@fearfulgrot You mean Heretic
"The Lore is a little vague about what happened to the water."
*That* is what makes it funny.
Goddamit Rogal.
I thought it was established canon that earth's atmosphere was nuked to oblivion along with its ecosystem so the water vanishing isn't that surprising.
@@KT-pv3kl boiling water doesn't remove it from the planet.
@@marrvynswillames4975 At least not without destroying the planet.
Xenos stole most of it.
I appreciate saying “no warp” and then picking a planet basically as close to in the warp as you can get without actually being in it
I didn't know there was a fat man planet. That's pretty cool.
The problem with the Armageddon map is partly solved when you look at the map that came with the original strategy board game "battle for armageddon" the map is made with East at the top, so the position and orientation of the equatorial jungle makes sense. Later renditions of the map seem to be confused about the orientation. Which has annoyed me for nearly 20 years :)
Could Armageddon simply rotate on it side similar to Uranus?
@@serronpdub I thought that at first, but the map still wouldn't make sense in that case because both poles would get similar amounts of sunlight over the course of the year, so you wouldn't have one always cold and one always hot. As far as simply rotating the map, that fixes the jungle problem, but again, now the hot and cold areas don't make sense unless the planet is tidally locked. If that's the case, though, the jungle makes no sense again. I'm almost leaning towards heavy axis wobble during it's orbit or it has more than one axis of rotation, but I'm not sure if those are even possible or would really solve the problem.
Armageddom being a Tidally locked planet with it being affected by Gravitational forces makes a whole lot more sense and makes it a very interesting planet (and it adds a metaphorical angle where its has remained in a constant unchanging war with life in the planet being sandwiched between 2 extreme forces)
P.S considering how unreliable Imperial records are a very careless Imperial Scribe would confuse an Top East and Bottom West map for a Traditional North and South Map makes a whole lot of sense in the lore and not the worst case of Imperial incompetence. (The Imperium does at times send its men in cases where Wars are already over or worse gave them inadequate equipment.)
Science? Heresy! These planets exist because the Emperor, in his great benevolence, wills it!
Oh hey StringStorm.
Damn, you right.
Ave Imperator!
But Big E pursued science and turning that vision into a religious nightmare is sacrilege itself so lol
Why'd He will Oliensis and worse to exist? Checkmate
@@tnynfox1669 Because without the enemy of Chaos to purge, Humanity's unity would waver and we would be lost to the xeno filth, so the Emperor in his wisdom allows the traitorous scum to exist. For now.
One of the great features of 40k lore is the omnipresent fog of "unreliable narrator." Sure the "Official" reason Valhalla's orbit shifted was a comet... like a big iron rich comet. Nothing to do with crazy Mechanicum experiments or warp****ery. It was a comet, sure, and I have a magic bridge on Prospero I want to sell you.
@yossarian everyone in the Galaxy is a lying sack of sh*t. Eldar lie with their* very existence. Even the Ork Boyz lie about how many ooomies they can wallop.
To summarize : "Its all lies?"
*points bolter*
"Always has been."
@yossarian you mean between the "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys"?
You don't.
@yossarian I don't know. Ask the Gene Stealers.
@yossarian the premise is that 'everything is canon, and nothing is canon.' This makes it possible to write a story in the setting without having to know absolutely everything about the lore beyond the abstract concepts used (lasguns exist, the writers know this. But this abstraction makes it possible to write in the setting without having to know or care about the millions of specific patterns that could be used). This practice of abstraction is used all across the board by way of generalizations.
For example, a lasgun CAN be rediculously strong, but this steps outside of the generalization of a lasgun, which is pretty much just a miniaturized and cheap energy based equivalent of .45/.50 caliber rifles, doing roughly the same damage. However, there will also be instances where the lore outright conflicts with itself, such as the instances where lasgun shots might do only marginal damage against something like an ork (hence the nickname of 'flashlight' by the overall fanbase). However were you to get shot in the arm, your entire limb would be taking a permanent vacation from your body.
When it comes to lore in the setting, the general premise isn't that you're getting it from anyone in particular; rather, it's like you're reading directly from the Imperium's manuscript regarding latest/historical events, with a mildly uncharacteristically unbiased twist to it. As such, the entire universe will be completely lacking in solid details or numbers. You will not be finding many population counts or weapon yields beyond that of estimations and general summaries of what the weapons can do, regardless of whether or not the concepts are feasible within our scientific universe. This vagueness allows for fantasy elements to be introduced without needing to have extensive scifi handwaving taking place, while also creating a constant and ever expanding window for more content to be created within this shared universe, all the while without completely invalidating previously existing stories in the process... though with the only exceptions being the very old parts of the lore that ended up being dismissed, be it overtly or silently.
@yossarian Technically, everything that has been written in any official product is considered canon, however, GW has stated that this does not mean 'true.' Something could be a rumor, a theory, or a lie, but it has been presented as true within the setting. "Valhalla got hit by a comet, that's why it froze over," is something the Imperium would tell the plebs, because they cannot be allowed to know that it was actually some heretical nonsense.
the cameos and in jokes were excellent in this. I openly burst out laughing when i saw 'Magnus was here' carved into the mountain.
Almost makes me not annoyed that they forgot the fact that fenris isn't permanently cold, but rather have a long and extreme rotation, the extreme land shifting during the summer, and the wonderful wat of having only a single semistatic landmass
Don't forget the Dust Museum too
At the Mordian part, I thought "That commissar sounds familiar...Is that Digby?"
*look in description*
"Yeah that's Digby"
Friendly reminder:
The planet broke before the guard!
Duly noted, guardsman. Continue doing your duty.
@Just Jeff As always.
Cadia stands!
Boooo, go home to Ca- oh wait.... You can't.
@@tenkora1 in 5th edition in was said that imperium sends 20% of its budget to cadia each year , imagine economic damage abbadon done to imperium
"I left my homeworld the night it died, and I've been fighting for its memory ever since. We Tanith are a dying breed. There are only about twenty hundred of us left. Gaunt only got away with enough for one regiment. The Tanith First. The First-and-Only. That's what makes us 'Ghosts', you see. The last few unquiet souls of a dead world. And I suppose we'll keep going until we're all done."
Tanith stands! Tanith Forever!
FIRST AND ONLY!!!
soldier: they say the trees move on Tanith, sir.
Commissar: So they're wood elves, then?
Soldier:HERETIC!
Just finished reading that book, thoroughly enjoyed it.
19:02 huuuuh it's a joke right ? I mean anthropogenic climate chage is a fact. Like the science is settled
Yeah I had the same reaction. His tone implies its not a bit
This was a goddamned delight to watch. I'm not a Warhammer Player, but you and Hannah made something accessible and interesting to a general science/sci-fi enthusiast like myself. Learning about all these worlds, both real and imagined, also really fired up my imagination. There's clearly a lot of in-jokes and references that will delight 40K players, many of which were funny even without context! Well done and looking forward to Part 2!
"How could we not be fans of this?" - Showing Dawn of War III.
Very easily, it was a garbage 40k game.
... cinematics were okay though.
You missed the part about Fenris’s season of fire when the planet gets closer to its star and volcanos go off creating islands all over the ocean until the eventually sink back into the depths
I was thinking the same thing. The planet doesn't have one season. Although if the planet had an extreme tilt that would also do the same thing, but then we would have months long days and nights in the lore.
I second this question.
CHICKEN MAN
CHICKEN MAN
You guys got me at Fenris.
"Dust Museum"
"Magnus was here"
Absolute gold.
Nice one magnus you red ni-
0:50 We're not taking Warp F&*%ery into account.
16:06 Here's a planet that literally can't exist without Warp F&*%ery.
The powers of Chaos are insidious.
The Warp is a strange thing.
Warrior of Virtue HERESY
LITERAL WARP [REDACTED] IS NEEDED.
A planet of true heresy.
The best science/wh40k ratio video I ever seen :)
Could you please be more specific on "impossibility of anthropogenic climate change" (00:19:00)?
yeah that was really weird
Yeah, it kind of just came off as, "an excuse to deny climate change but play it off as a joke if called out, but forgot to actually present it as if it was a joke".
Not cool, in an otherwise fun video about worldbuilding.
@@KingBobXVI pretty sure he was making fun of the host, who is educated in that exact field. apparently american sarcasm is a fair bit more exaggerated than in europe
@@e-plastic - Poe's law is much more of an issue in the US. You can't just straight-faced say something that 45+ percent of the country fully believes and expect people to take it as sarcasm.
You may know the claim is ridiculous, but there's no way for me to know you know the claim is ridiculous, because the people who _don't_ know it's ridiculous say the exact same thing in the exact same way.
"Several Thick coats"
*Uncocks Boltgun with rightous intent*
Lol
19:00 "This idea is completely unrealistic and impossible, just a bit like anthropogenic climate change"
So it's a completely realistic and possible planet then? Good to know
This is super neat guys! Thank you so much for covering this topic.
So this popped up in my reccomended, and i thought it was another cheap list trying to cash in on Warhammer's sudden popularity.
I'm glad to say that i was surprised how well made, informative and hilarious this was. This is great!
The warp is realm where time is meaningless, the laws of physics are pointless, reality doesn't mean anything, and logic doesn't exist so yeah daemon worlds are automatically not possible
Dunno about deamon worlds as even those dont exist in 40k, Daemon worlds on the other hand.
@@Spacefrisian pleas repport too you're neerest comisar
@@henkhenk4396 to* your* nearest ;)
@Colonel Kablooey Cadia. *Sheds a tear*
Doesn't that reasoning make them automatically possible?
That one medical doctor: "...completely unrealistic and impossible, a bit like anthropogenic climate change..." I don't know if I missed some joke or what, but if that's what he believes he should stay with medicine and not talk about stuff he doesn't understand.
Yeah that was indeed kind of strange. But being educated in one aspect obviously doesn't mean that he knows everything.
But I hope it was a joke.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 the doctor they brought on was making a joke at Simon, because he’s a atmospheric scientist, in the same vein as the “you’re not a real doctor” jokes
Me starting video: I hope these aren't just random scientists who they brought in to make a clickbait video.
People making video: (Shows one guy painting a tourist Ork)
Me: Oh, we're good. We GOOD.
@yossarian something like a cinematic universe would utterly ruin the setting, as there's no way hollywood would ever accept something as grimdark as warhammer being played on the big screen, and as such would probably demand some sort of softer, and lighter interpretation.
@yossarian I think an animated or live action of the main plot of the horus heresy would be excellent. Or perhaps Gaunt's Ghosts or Space Wolves books. Some of the other books might be too difficult to get a mainstream audience to connect to because you have to know a lot more about the lore already in order to understand them.
Ah, Commissar Digby! One of the Emperor’s finest servants!
I've only seen him in rimmys videos, does he have his own channel?
@@thatguyincadpat8959 he has a twitch. Also features a lot in SovietWomble's stuff.
"anthropogenic climate change is impossible"
Maybe you should go back to school, doc
@stockart whiteman Ah, didn't get that. Well ok, that's quite funny then
27:07 "while we are on the subject of destroying worlds"
* Country Roads start *
Me: CADIA STANDS!!!
Rtgame vs the emperor of mankind
One, a lunatic Irish man with destructive meteors
The other, a being that is terrible at being a father, but is very strong
But when you hear this song...
"Big iron on his hip"
You know it did not end in the others death
*THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GAURD DID*
CREED LIVES!
@@dinodude6992 I am satisfied that someone mentioned RTGame here
Anyone know full version of that Country Roads versions?
Did that guy casually slip in climate change denial?
So here for the Rythian Cameo! A fantastic video Simon! I enjoy the guests as always and look forward to part 2! For the Emperor!
I now want Rythian to narrate a Space Wolf campaign
Time of rythians appearance?
@@threeomgthree 23:09
Imperial citizen: "The floor is lava!"
Bakka citizen: "So?"
Wait thats a problem?
lol
This was amazing! For a start it looked incredible, the science frankly aroused me (I'm not even joking) and even though I'm a filthy casual, I still understood a solid 10% of the gags. I'm going to try to dig my collection of late 90s/early 00s Space Wolves (Ragnar's grunge phase) out this weekend!
What's up with the conspiracy stuff tho?
@@tedarcher9120 Poe's law
Ted Archer conspiracy stuff?
Ted Archer It’s a joke mocking Simon, i.e. not calling him a ‘real doctor’ etc.
Talking about a Slaneesh world... _aroused_ you?
BY THE EMPEROR ITS TAKING OVER, CALL THE INQUISITION
"THIS VIDEO BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID"
Hot damn I love the IG. They're probably my favourite part of the 40k universe. Excellent video! I look forwards to part 2.
Because IG is just a large number of regular joes and janes band together to make changes, no supermen, no warp heresy, just people like you and me that do their daily job of fighting for the survival of humanity.
Whoah!!! Did they just deny human influenced climate change at 19:00??
Right??? I feel like I'm going insane.
report the video for spreading false information.
It was dry humor. They clarified for everyone that their friend is a very deadpan person.
This vid "chemical warfare on a continental scale would prevent this from ever existing."
40k "Ermmm, yer, we just call that Tuesday, and it's not a reason to pretend you don't exist, I see you guardsman hiding out in that crater!"
Exterminatis!
Can you give me the location ? The death korps of krieg need a peacefull planet to repair his ship
"I think we will need a medical doctor on this one."
"Fortunately Hannah I know just the guy"
At that moment, I already knew it will be Dr. Francis.
All this planets are fake the earth Is flat
This channel: "Can the exist under known laws of planetary science?"
Every Eldritch entity or god: "You know noothing Simon Clark"
Did that "doctor" actually end his bit by saying humans arent a factor in climate change? And you left that in? Yikes.
I thought it was a bit or something, he does do airquotes before he says doctor, maybe his character is being an idiot?
He was joking
Lmfao you antiscience normies are so soft 🤣 yes its called climate change because "global warming" began to sound very stupid as the planet cooled within the last 10 years or so. They'll tell you that govt needs more power or the world will end in ten years about every ten years or so. Keep falling for it 🤣😂
Great stuff Simon, keep it up! :)
Yk everything makes sense now knowing you're a 40k fan
Is the doctor a climate change denier ?!
I really like this series.
Just the thought of applying decades and centuries of scientific knowledge to fictional universes.
I like the content and all, but having a rando you go to for facts throw in "Anthropogenic Climate Change doesn't exist" in the same tone as other bits of info touted as fact seems out of place and just introduces a small bit of doubt to all the other information's reliability and authenticity.
Even if it was a "Joke" as you claim, it really didn't have to be included.
Accept the truth, filthy casual! The climate changed regularly long before humans existed, and it will continue to change long after we have wiped ourselves from existence. Get over it
yeah it seemed really out of place
"That's just too unreasonable and unrealistic, sort of like anthropogenic climate change"
Holy shit what
I think he's only joking, since Dr. Clark did his thesis on climate change.
@@fallenspherell8178 He didn't say that climate change was not real or fake; rather, he simply stated that the cause is in question (in that he does not believe it to be anthropogenic, or 'man made,' for those who don't know). Regardless of whether he were genuine or not, such a topic would make for a very interesting topic of discussion; I'd be very interested to see the alternative hypothesis regarding the cause of climate change, especially since the cult of the status quo makes genuine discussions impossible, not without them trying to constantly shame you or talk down to you.
@@Gogglesofkrome Alright kid put the thesaurus away
@@Gogglesofkrome for sake of argument here's an alternative theory: the earth goes through warming and cooling phases as part of a natural cycle. Examples: the start and end of the ice age, the medieval warm period ect
@@Gogglesofkrome - "he simply stated that the cause is in question (in that he does not believe it to be anthropogenic, or 'man made,' for those who don't know)"
But the cause is not in question, it's been settled for a long time. "Ok, it's real, but not our fault" has been the backpedal of cliamte change denialists for a little under the last decade or so.
The problem with the "debate" between "is it anthropogenic or not" is that the side that says it is uses actual data and mountains of research to back itself up, while the side saying it isn't... doesn't. The problem is that the argument always devolves into a shouting match over a few very specific cherrypicked points ("but that one ice sheet in Antarctica got bigger - please ignore all the others there and in Greenland") or plainly misinterpreted data. It's also a near impossible "debate" to have "without them trying to shame or talk down to you" when you interpret any contradiction of evidence as "shaming and talking down", which is often the case with those complaints.
23:10 Suddenly everyone's favourite Sweed
21:21 You guys start calling Nocturne Nostramo from then on out, lol.
I know! My poor Salamanders 😭
There also 2 Nocturnes but no Nostramo in description
If we consider how many orbital stations/sattelites must be around earth, those themselves could act as some sort of shield. Blocking a fraction of the sun's energy from reaching the surface
40k is mad, and I love it
There's also gigantic floating plates that bear layers of city on them.
@@Hatypus not anymore, they were deconstructed during the siege of Terra by the Emperor.
2:29 “if you were to remove all water from earths hydrosphere...”
Rogal Dorn: I find this funny
Sorry, Rogal Dorn finds something funny...?
No.
"Having fun is illegal" - some law
“Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.”
― Carl Sagan
19:00 wtf? Doesnt anthropogenic mean man made?
yes
Doctor Francis' sense of humor might not go well with audiences that don't realize he's joking, like in a cameo
The climate change denial? Seemed like a bit of a megaton to drop casually in a 40k video.
@@missingclerk That got me too, wtf.....
@Afqwa Simon is actually an Atmospheric Physicsist, his doctoral thesis was on climate change. Dr Francis is just poking fun.
@@ElvesofZion Thank goodness. I literally HAD to search the comments for an answer here.
@@asiburger same
15:00 I just wanted to mention that the "hurricane force wind speeds" on Mars is incorrect. The fastest wind speed ever recorded on Mars was only 60mph, the weakest wind speed classified as 'hurricane force' is 75, Mars doesn't have a thick enough atmosphere or the right climate to produce very strong winds
Heresy.
23:48 Ah, so that's what the Thousand Sons really attacked Fenris for.
The Adeptus Mechanicus approves of the application of sacred knowledge, but Oliensis isna chaos world in the eye of Terror so it is the very peak of warp magic.
Also of note that Terra in the past had around 100 trillion population that was recently changed to quadrillions. Thousands of Coruscants.
I lost it at the Space Wolf speaking skånska, for those who don't know is a southern Swedish accent.
That was on point!
Pointing out though - The Salamanders' homeworld is called Nocturne, not Nostramo. :)
One of the crazy things in 40k and what happened for Armageddon (Ullanor) where they used huge leveling machines to turn the continents into flat lands in order to build for Horus' coronation to warmaster. How would this impact a planet? I am thinking it would increase storms and winds, but is this realistic?
Yes. But a better way to think of it was 1 of the largest dam. Has so much water in one location for a long time it affected the surround land. That has made the land around it to be siasimc
"We will exclude warp fuckery in our reasoning"
Look at a demon world.
I see a problem with this
This is a really cool video, I‘ve never had anything to do with Warhammer and yet this was very interesting and well produced. Thanks guys, I‘m looking forward to part 2!
Me after reading First and Only: "I wonder why Simon likes Mkoll so much"
Me after reading Ghostmaker: 26:39
He's a machine. I love his whole schtick with being super quiet without even trying. Basically a futuristic ninja.
In later books he just gets more and more awesome.
@@Madhattersinjeans Taking out a Chaos dreadnought with only a lasgun, a grenade and a bunch of sound-sensitive cacti kind of solidifies his incredible talents as a sneaky scout in my mind!
10:33 Astra Millitar-
*BLAM*
Imperial Guard
*THE WALL OF GUNS!*
Imperium Militarum. Why not both?
@@mercenarygundam1487 I think it's stake burning tieeeemmm~~
About Holy Terra - it is described as a planet-wide city, iirc. And that changes your analysis. Sure, it might not have oceans to work as thermal batteries, but the planet covered in a city like that would not have a problem with heating up... it would have a problem with cooling down! The amount of heat produced on a planet like that would be a huge problem. Also, you don't get dust storms because the ground levels are not accessible to wind - it would be like having a dust storm in a forest... ain't gonna happen. Ground would be dust and scorched earth, but that's it. You'd get wind only on the top levels of a global ecumenopolis, lower levels would not feel even a breeze.
Water for people and industry can be imported (we are talking about a galactic-level empire here, no biggie even for WH40K universe) and atmosphere can be constantly generated if needed.
It is all a question of power availability on Terra - enough power and you don't have any of the problems with water, atmosphere etc. But the cooling down problem remains - a planet like that would need some serious heat sink mechanism or some passive cooling system (radiators) that would vent excess heat into space.
Good point they completely ignored holy terra is a planet size city so atmosphere for them is like turning on the AC for us
the planet stays cool because the emperor wills it
My favourite planet is turdillo, a young orc saw a toilet and thought it was some portal to another planet where all waste was disposed, he told his friends and the thought grew until eventually a planet of pure poo was born
Wtf the planet turned poo or poo turned planet??
@@arithmetikmilitantpoetry9548 They created a planet of pure poo somewhere in the galaxy. :D
ArithmetiK MilitantPoetry it’s not real, he made it up, headcanon
@@Symbioteposion Might as well be, though, considering we are talking about Orks...
@@Symbioteposion You know what's interesting? If enough of us believe in Turdillo, it will become cannon. Hmmm...
"CAAAD-IAAAA! KASR-MOMMA!
TAKE ME HOOOOME, FORTRESS ROADS!"
Don't forget our dust museum
-Big oof.
Also, try reviewing some of the Star Craft planets. Should be far more realistic.
Star Craft was a knockoff 40k, as in Imperial Guardsmen/Planetary Defence Force fighting against Tyranids but because gamesworkshop don't like Blizzard so they handed over the license to Relic instead..
I like how Warfield says Char’s atmosphere can “burn a man alive” then we just see them walking around with their visors up literally all the time
Oh My God... Was that really the West Vriginia Song's cover playing over the destruction of Cadia??? XDXDXD
This was brilliant, and you two did a great job! And: "Dust museum". That made me snort my coffee.
Slaanesh is pleased. Though, he/she would prefer if you injected it, tbh.
You're supposed to drink it, not snort the ground coffee.
Great video, but I have a couple of nits to pick. Firstly, you left out Fenris' weird elliptical orbit, which means that for parts of the year, it's so far from its star that it _does_ freeze solid while for other parts of the year it's close enough that it basically catches fire and weird things happen to its tectonics and continents.
Secondly, the Tanith First-and-Only _don't_ have plot armour - after their campaign on Verghast as depicted in _Necropolis,_ they had to recruit heavily from the local population. And later in the series, they were temporarily merged with another scouting regiment because of losses sustained over several campaigns.
26:41 _[sobs in Colm Corbec and "Try Again" Bragg]_ *FETH YOU, LIJAH CUU!*
26:42 And don't forget MkVenner, the man who out-stealthed a drunchii _Mandrake_
27:37 *THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID!*
Actually, that was Mkoll. On Herodor. MkVenner had been seriously injured and Kolea took him to be heales by the Beatti.
@@carlbrittain1993 Whoops. In my defence, though, there are so many badass Tanith scouts that it's hard to keep track sometimes.
Hey Simon, will you be reviewing The Dune on Goodreads? Interesting to hear your take on it. Also a video analysis of some aspects of Herbert’s world would be cool
I will be yes! When the film comes out I hope to do an in-depth video
I love Hannah’s voice. She sounds like Dr Vahlen from XCOM.
10:30 literally fell out of my chair laughing, so thanks for that\
I'm imagine Guard Regiments singing "Country roads" while charging one last time with their bayonet
We all should be pressing F right about now.
Seeing the Armageddon map, I have a question: what would be conditions on a rock planet that rotates like Uranus? One pole always points to a star while another is in darkness?
You're actually talking about two different things here: Uranus's poles are "sideways" instead of being "up and down", but the poles still point in the same direction as it orbits the Sun. This means that the equator would spend the middle of summer and middle of winter in perpetual twilight, but in spring and summer would experience a similar day-night cycle to Earth.
As for what would happen if the axis of rotation itself rotated, keeping one pole pointed towards the star throughout the year, I'm pretty sure that can't happen. The angular momentum of the planet's rotation would resist the change in the axis of rotation, meaning you'd end up with either a tidally locked planet or one that rotates like Uranus does with extreme seasons.
Love the implication that Terra's state is a reflection of the emperor's own. A kind of undeath sustained by all manner of advanced arcane sciences, no longer a living thing, but more akin to a muchiene sustained by those unable to let go of the past. (Well if Emp's dies it will be a lot more than the past going down the crapper, but you get my point.)
1:09 You mean like the planets that rain diamonds? Or the black holes... Or just regular heresy?
Did you said heresy?
*Hand on boltgun*
Talking about black holes, what happened to Sagittarius A* ever since it was consumed by the rift?
The mistake you're making is assuming that 40k is science-fiction. It's Space Fantasy.
I've heard this about so many franchisees now, that basically nothing is Science Fiction anymore
It’s sci fi not fantasy.
The chaos gods,
Plato’s forms
Astartes,
Genetically modified cyborgs soldiers
Orks,
Fungus
Etc
It’s based on real things and it uses science its not fantasy
@@Flight_of_Icarus Space fantasy or science fantasy is just a pretentious way of saying soft science fiction. Because some people have trouble differentiating between hard sci-fi, which uses actual established science, and soft sci-fi, which uses scientifically plausible ideas in scientifically implausible ways.
"Oh, and don't forget our dust museum." the absolute shade this man threw
20:23 Why woul you say that humans are active in the galaxy for only 10k? what about dar age of technology???
The peak of technology was in M21. They start with the Horus Heresy
Wait, did that doctor just say there's no proof for anthropogenic climate change is not real? Is he for real?
So from what i can tell it was a jab at simon clark who is an atmospheric scientist but he was soo deadpan in his delivery by American standards at least that it came off as if he was in denial about climate change
I vote for Holy Mars, Catachan, and Krieg. Worlds invaluable to the Imperium
"The Largest Land Mammal, The Elephant."
*Cries in Pharacetherium*
probably just meant living mammal.
that was a _really_ good voice at the start. honestly thought you'd ripped it from one of the audiobooks
Cool stuff, looking forward to the follow up.
Quick question, what would the effects be on a Earth-like planet be if the equator plus a few degrees north and south was permanently blocked from direct sunlight? Say by mirror satellites orbiting the planet.
I'm thinking a general cooling and very strong winds going too and from the darkened equator.
The Immaterium would WARP any realistic planetary physics
I wasn't expecting Digby to appear in the episode but I'm so glad he did. He makes for a great commisar when he's playing with Rimmy
All very enjoyable. Then around 19:30, a doctor said ' impossible, just like human caused climate change' - what? Where did that piece of pseudo science come from? Stopped watching.
I'm hoping that's some joke we're not getting? I don't see why Simon would have that in his video otherwise.
Yeah that threw me too. Just saying throwing 500K tons of CO2 into the atmosphere EVERY year has no effect on the atmosphere? It's a closed system that we are adding mined inputs into how could it NOT have an effect.
It was clearly a joke...
It was clearly sarcasm dude. Chill out buddy
@@BringDHouseDown no, you are not reading the right things. Try scholarly articles, you know, scientific papers.
I'd like to visit the Fenrisian dust museum