Moved to a full 29" set up this season (from a 27.5") - love how it just blasts through, over and down stuff...but damn it is harder in tight corners...unfortunately no mullet option on my current bike, but would definitely like to compare one in the future. At the moment i'll learn to corner better and just enjoy it.
I know it's not faster in the long run but i tried 26 fs and it corners and accelerates beautifully. We have to remember MTB is about fun. Not always about racing.
We need more of this style of video! I loved the dynamic and dialogue between you two. Also, Doddy did a great job of explaining the feel of the bike on-course. This was a very well-put-together video that immersed the viewer I. The experience.
29" feels clumsy to me, it rides the rocks better but the agility is just not good for me, 27.5" seems the best compromise but i have never tried a mullet!
Great video 👏 I've just made the transition from a 27.5 full sus trail bike to a Specialized Status 160 mullet with the larger 29 front wheel and loving it 😎 The larger front wheel plus increased suspension has really helped my confidence while the back end with it's crazy short chain stay length keeps things fun at the back 👍
I ride a 29er all the time. However recently had an hour’s ride on a mullet , it felt better on the tight twisty’s really responsive. It was a lot of fun to ride. I still like my 29er and the way it just rolls over terrain. They both have a place. Shame I can’t have both😉🤣
Love my 27.5 because it so much more fun. Rode a 29er on my home tracks and I was a lot faster with a lower heart rate, but my 27.5 is so much more fun. That's what it's all about for me.
I went from a 26 full sus to 27.5 plus. Going back to 26 a few months later, I scarred myself, it was like having continual "Oh sh·t" heart attacks!!! I sold the 26 full sus and bought a 29er plus 😀
I've just gone from a 27.5 to a 29er. Immediately I noticed the 27.5 was easier to pick up at the rear, more agile but rougher and slower. The 29er was harder to dance about on the trail but much smoother and it was so fast into things, I actually upgraded the front brake to a 203 four pot to slow down quicker! The only disadvantage is on very tight twisty trails and over jumps, I sometimes buzz my bum on the rear tyre, but I'll take that! Would be interested to ride a mullet though.
I'm planning on the other-direction-mullet. I have a 27.5" XC bike (2017 KTM Lycan 273) that I want to get more travel up front (110mm to 130/140mm?) as well as adjust my riding position. I plan on replacing the Rocklshox Recon 27.5 fork with a 2023 Rockshox Pike 29" fork and 29" front wheel. This should give me a slightly better riding position (more upright) which is something I've been struggling with a bit on downhill sections. The additional travel should also let me get a bit more aggressive in the sketchier bits, as should the slacker head angle. Assuming it just doesn't completely destroy the bike's handling then I think it will greatly improve my biking experience and let me hang onto the bike for a few more years without spending $1000s of dollars on an entirely new bike. And thanks Anna & Doddy, this video was helpful in making the decision. It would be cool to see you do a video on extending the life of older bikes by doing something like I'm doing (or any number of other things). Shock upgrades, drivetrain upgrades, dropper post, tires/wheels, ratchet, etc., would be a cool video to see. Perhaps you could buy some older bikes and "modernize" them in an effort to make them more capable. Just a thought.
I have recently changed the rear to XC race worthy 29“ setup with very light tires and wheels whilst I stayed in front with good grip and more robust wheel- the bike got way better in handling and acceleration at the cost of some grip sometimes in climbs - but a good alternative to mullet setup - BTW I loved that feature - well done!
I put a 27.5" front in my 26" and although it was very noticeable, I liked it. Maybe that's a bit to do with the small size I started with, but the bike suited me better. It canceled out a bit of the 26" downsides and I could get used to the extra bulk at the front, so yes I was into the mullets. Now I went to a different bike that has 29" front and rear, but also a lot more (basically a big step upwards in every aspect) but now I don't dare to mullet this. For one, because the bike wasn't meant to be ridden like that, but also because the difference between bikes is so big, I'm still getting my head round that. And in the process, I will probably get used to it by the time I'd decide to have space for experiments. First off though, I still need to dial in a lot. Get some stuff serviced and so on. Then try some tracks that I don't have nearby, then see what I think.
From various ride videos on TH-cam, I sensed the impression that the difference is more noticeable and more positive when mounting a front 29er on a 27.5 bike, vs. mounting a rear 27.5 on a 29er. As I ride a former, I'm looking forward to converting mine.
As an absolute beginner.. 27.5 wheels are fine for me, having bigger wheels that make me go faster would be a bad idea for me (I am more likely to crash). 27.5 wheels alow me to work on line choice and technique more, I have more time and I am not that fast anyway. Maybe in the future I will step up to mullet, but I am not bothered about 29ers. 🙏🏿
This is such a good test because like Doddy said Anna and Doddy are completely different riders and they’re different heights as well! Great test 👍 Btw I’m 5’6” and I still like 27.5 front and back and I’m really hoping the industry doesn’t move away from 27.5 wheels 🤞
Totally agree with Anna. Mullet looks badass. 👍 Currently running 27.5 front and back, but getting ready to try mullet because I ride a lot of chunky terrain, and I think it's going to help me have more fun.
I've gone back to full 27.5 bikes this season. Toyed with the idea of a mullet, and might still try it, but I'm out for smiles and laughs and happy to work the bike rather than just plow and REALLY enjoying the smaller wheels even at 6'2" (188cm). Racing or xc I'd for sure be full 29er, but that's not my riding.
I come from the 80's era of 26 inch rigid MTB's then hardtails so when I went to a 29er for my height of 6ft 5inch I loved them because they fit as Doddy says. However I have never felt I could throw them around the same as I could the 26 inch wheel bike so I am going to give a mullet setup a try on the enduro bike. Still think 29er XC is better for speed though.
@@Sidowse think the 2kg weight penalty depends on lots of factors such as group set weight, frame, course etc and not to mention if you're a 110kg rider putting out a high power output does 2kg really make a difference on some courses compared to momentum? Also if you're a 6ft 5inch rider frame fit of a 29er is also a factor to take account of.
Adding one thing… I think choosing a bike and wheelsize that matches your skills and trails is key. It’s about the experience more than descent times for 97% of most riders. I’d rather feel like a pro… pumping and hopping features, railing berms and scandi on command than send it as fast as possible
My HT 27.5 makes me smile more in trail than my 29er FS for the trail that i have here.😁😁Will try mullet set up soon to see how it feels!Love you both!
Fun vid 💙 Yes, being comfortable plays a massive role. I've just started riding a 29er and it definitely feels smoother but Strava says I'm sitting on the same average speeds as my 27.5
I have a mixed wheel switchblade and a 29er xc bike. they both feel right in their own way. Every experiment ive seen with these confirms that 29 is faster at a base level but being comfortable on the platform can overcome that advantage. Id be really curious in different disciplines who is running a mx setup and possibly winning. might be a good revisit in a tech episode.
I did a mullet conversion on my San Quentin hardtail and the riding definitely improved for my. The big wheel deals with obstacles better and the cornering improved while the climbing and acceleration stayed the same. I definitely prefer a mullet and I just bought the Bronson 2022 which is a dream to ride. I think Anna was faster on the mullet because she was used to it. I think if she has a few runs with the 29er she would have been faster. Regarding the mullet vs 29er, I think it depends on the track and the rider whether the mullet is faster. It has not slowed down Loic Bruni who has won a few overalls with that set up nor prevented Jesse Melamid from being successful in EWS.
At the back end of 2014 I changed my bike and went from 26" wheels to 27.5" full sus. I didn't like the 29er and said I would never have one. Some of my previous comments can confirm that. Last year I got a 29er hardtail. Which is the mountain bike I ride all of the time. I still have my 27.5 full sus but I haven't ridden it recently. I did find the hardtail rolled much better and faster than the teeny wheels. I haven't ridden a mullet bike yet. Not sure if I would. Before the reason would have been. It's got a 29er on the front. Now it's because it's got a 27.5 " rear Wheel.
It's really interesting to see doddys reaction here. I'm 6ft6, come from a bmx background and ride a 27.5" 180/170mm enduro bike. Watching the channel in the past I've seen doddy talk on a few occasions about the benefits a 29er could have for tall riders. It made me wonder if I'm missing out by riding 27.5". I'm not someone who cares about going any faster, I just want to have fun on the trail and because of my bmx background I love to jib, pump and manual. I've always thought 27.5" was right for me because of this.
This is what I'm thinking and might just go full 27.5 again as it's just about the fun and having more space to move about on thre bike feels better! 😎
6'6" as well and come from a more bmx/dirt jump background. trying to decide whether I want to buy a mullet or 29er. Terrified of spending that much to feel like im on a boat.
I've been riding a mullet along side my full 27.5 and can confirm that it feels noticibly more lethargic and less fun. I would say it's easier to ride though.
I think whatever gives you the best riding experience. If you want a sled that flys… enduro 29 and use the brakes. If you want something that’s more about enjoying the features in sacrifice of speed 27.5. If you want something of both, mullet it. There is a reason why 5010 and other short/mid travel 27.5 exists and why 29 DH bikes exist Personally, I still like railing corners on 27.5 plus bikes with small travel or hardtails. Especially hardtails as their rear centres are super short and basically feel like you’re dirt jumping a blue/black. If it’s chudery or you’re bike parking alot, I really think 29 x2.6 long legged bikes are safer if you like to cruise
Hi guys great video. When I ride I’m basically out to have fun over speed every time. So when I bought my new bike I went for a mullet for that reason. It’s a 160 mm as the stuff round my way needs it but at the same time I like cutting corners and riding the trails as if I’m on my bmx. I’m a lanky sod but won’t consider a 29er. A mate runs a smaller 27.5 because he wants an agile fun bike and tried at 29 in the same bike as he has and it’s too stable for him even my mullet is too tank like.
something to keep in mind most mullet bikes can be turned into full 29" easily (not sure into dual 27.5 but I guess too) but 27.5 bikes can't be upgraded, watching this video made me think long term I have more choices buying a mullet than a 27.5 (I currently run a dual 27.5 xc 120mm muscular bike but I want a motocross/emtb next lol)
To add some mullet confusion, here in Kansas mullet means something different when referring to bikes. Here it means using SRAM AXS to pair a MTB drivetrain to road shifters on a gravel bike. So if you see pit videos from a race like Unbound and a rider says they are riding mullet, they are referring to their gears.
I’ve never rode a mullet setup, but I’d like to give it a try sometime. I have rode full 27.5 and full 29. My giant trance is a 27.5 and my daughter has a trek fuel that’s a 29 both size medium. For me riding is all about what puts the biggest smile on my face not necessarily how fast I go. To me a 29er feels like I’m 5 years old running around in my dads work boots and the 27.5 is just more responsive and fun. I also feel that a 27.5 climbs better on the steep stuff. The moral of the story is go with what ever makes you happiest and have the time of your life every time you ride!
I personally prefer the way the mullet feels compared to a full 29'er. Even if I'm not actually faster, I feel faster and I feel like the trail isn't muted like it is on a 29'er. I'm not going for lap times or racing, just having fun.
I got a question. Will an amateur be able to tell the difference between the two setups from the get-go or does it require alot of riding experience to be able to differentiate?
@@omera967 I've only been riding for a few years now, so I'd say I'm definitely an amateur. To be able to tell the difference you do need to put some trail time in on both setups so you can really feel the difference.
I am on 26 inch wheels. I love it on my Downhill Bike YT Tues. The feel of 26 inch wheels are great and tricks felt easier between 26/27.5/29 inch. Greetings from a German subscriber 😁🙌🏾✌🏾
My SC Tallboy (120mm/140mm, 30 lbs) is a 29er, and my new SC Heckler (150mm/160mm, 49 lbs) is an MX (mullet). Both are size XL. The longer travel heavier Heckler eMTB, imo, just maneuvers easier for me and is easier for me to unweight with the mullet setup.
Anna answered it. She was slower on the 29er as she said she was over cooking corners and just the slight dabbing of the breaks was all it took to kill the speed. But let's not forget even racing should be about having fun.
I don't race & I ride a Chinese carbon ebike see ELife/Cheeb, mine is from the USA a Luna X2 comes stock as a 27.5 I put a Zeb 29 fork 2.5 Maxxis minion DHF on the front and ride it as a mullet and I love it. Cheers from Northern California!!!
I'm in the process of converting my 2014 Rocky Mountain Instinct 950 MSL into a mullet. Other than putting in a 27.5" rear wheel I'm not planning any other mods. The standard head angle is 67.5, which is quite steep. I've already replaced the original stem with a shorter 40mm reach and slid the seat as far back as possible. The only question is if I'll need shorter crank arms for better clearance. Because this is an older bike with "outdated" geometry, I think this will be the best mod for a bike of this age.
I did an up-mullet i.e. put a bigger wheel in the front. Turns weird and needs a split second early lean/steer but rolls over better and improved BB clearance as I went up and not down. I am a small person so I am with Anna. 29er needs more effort to move around.
I think you missed a major option... for those with a 27.5 bike. I put a 29 on the front of my 27.5 Bronson and it changed the bike. I was upgrading my fork and got one that would take a 29 as an option. Amazing difference. Try it.
I would love to try it but I have to buy a new wheel, carry different spares when traveling, buying different tires and since my brand hasn't developed a "mullet link" I would have to adjust with a headset cup etc etc. Maybe on my next bike if that's an option but I'm happy with 29 at the moment. cheers
I put a 29er on my 27.5 EMTB and predictably got a slacker handling and faster rolling. Maybe a bit too slack up front but fun! That bike was so good it was stolen but new one is better and already has slacker geometry. Out of interest I'm going to put a 29er and see. BTW i've been following you folks a while and love the show.
I have a commencal meta HT that I just built as a 27.5 bike but I have a 29 inch 140 mm front fork that I swap my 29in wheel into when I want to ride steeper rougher terrain. That slackens to head tube and raises the bottom bracket which makes it really good for going down steep stuff. Otherwise running it 27.5 front and rear it's just a big BMX bike and also the most fun bike I've ever ridden.
I got 29 curious so demoed a full 29 mega tower twice. I can say I like the added confidence of the front wheel when it gets steep and has some chunk but then my full 27.5 nomad is super fun. I really think the MX will be the route for me. Keep the fun but lose some of the hesitation of OTB fear in steep chunk.
Mullets (haircuts) were longer in the back... would make more sense if the back tire was bigger (which would be pointless)... I think someone just really wanted to use the name (even though it doesn't really fit)
I think that a couple seconds difference could just be up to your personal riding style, and how tired and/or warmed up you were from the first run. You could also have been subconsciously trying harder on the one you thought would be faster, too. If your effort varied by as little as 1%, this would account for the time differences by itself. You'd have to be androids to keep your effort that consistent. It's too close to say it's specifically from the wheels, IMO. I do like the idea of the mullet though, and your thoughts on how it feels and how fun it is, are the most important to me. I'm intrigued by running a 27.5 with a big 2.8" tire, getting some of that diameter back, running low pressures for my bad back, and just having grip for days going up the hills. The only people concerned about being fast, are the people I ride with, lol.
With a 29" wheel you have slightly more mass, which would make a differeence to the force pulling you down the hill. For a light rider, something like 650g additional mass makes a 1% difference to the acceleration down the hill. For a heavier rider, its going to be closer to 1kg makes a 1% difference. How much advantage that gives you depends on how much time you were using gravity to accelerate you. The effect is cumulative so can make a big difference if you can carry the additional speed through the corners. You should weigh the wheels, then carry a weight in your pocket to compensate if you want to see the exact difference. I know what you did was just meant to be a bit of fun, but if people want to draw conclusions, you have to be objective.
I have a giant reign which i ride as mullet... Its pretty darn awesome. Coming from an older 26er, i did find the front to be all business though - wherever you point that thing is where its going. The back is quite a lot more playful, but the bike does tend to chatter quite a bit as well.
Mullet is clearly FUN but my cranks is not happy hitting the rocks every ride. My BB is too low so now I'm going back full 29er. My Current setup is 170travel 29er up front paired with 27.5 rear.
For me mullets turn better and feel more playful but 29er’s feel faster and roll over the rough stuff better. When I race local twisty stuff I use the mullet but next week I’m off to the megavalanche and it will be 29er all the way.
Just building myself a Mullet now, starting with a Whyte T130 for the shorter rear stay length of a 27.5, not sure if I’ll run 120 or 130 travel front (+10 or +20 front equivalent). Having ridden it briefly before starting the conversion (and other upgrades) it climbs better than the T129 it’s replacing despite similar gearing (gear inch) and weight.
Been sticking with 27.5 front and back for a while as I find it suits me, but I’m only 5’6”. If I raced enduro I might think about going to a 29 up front but I don’t so sticking with the little wheels. Still race 4X on a 26” wheel too, however there’s a few trying bigger wheels in that now as well.
Hi guys, another great video. Next time how about trying the test blind, you don’t get to see the rear wheel and base your thoughts on how the bike handles without any subconscious pre-conceptions.
Thanks for this, especially its not a thing we can easily test as we (average public, one bike, not a racer ride weekends for fun) do not have the bikes with flip chips/links or spare rear wheels let alone the time to work this through. Interesting conclusion and glad you both chose fun over efficiency. I would also like to see the same test with an average height rider though.
I’m still riding my bike built of spare bits and it’s 26 lol. I’m just glad I can get out. not sure what 27.5 wheels to get as the frame and fork is designed for 27.5
I’ve been riding a 27.5 for several years and recently added a 29’er. All of the points in the 29/27.5 debate are valid. Flowy & twisty, 27.5 changes direction faster and is more poppy & fun; it leaves me giggling and smiling ear to ear on my local alpine single track. 29 “feels” a bit faster but really shines in rocky, rooty, technical stuff & rolls through things that will hang up the smaller bike. The 29 is MUCH more enjoyable on desert/Moab-type trips where my 27.5 leaves me feeling a bit beat up. Is the mullet the answer to the 1-bike question? There are some really attractive mullets on the market right now (like SC Bronson, etc). It’s probably what I would choose if I was starting from scratch & could only have one bike. The industry seems to have been pushing 29-only for several years, which I think is disservice. I’m glad mullets are breaking that up. 650b needs to stay alive!
I have a 2004 Yeti AS-X. It's a 26er 170mm travel frame. I put a 29er 170mm Yari on the front and a Works Components 2.3 angle headset. Headtube angle is 62.5°. I call it a "Skullette". Seat tube angle is horrible. And it's unstable jumping. It descends steep tech amazing.
Kinda comparing different things. A 200lb dirtbike with a powerful motor in it is virtually nothing like a bicycle. I rode dirtbikes for years and they are not like bicycles...at all. Motorcycles and dirtbikes also run larger back tires, which is opposite on MTB. You often see the larger tires in front on MTB.
@@Muskiehunter92 actual it not that uncommon for rear tire to have a slight bit wider flatter profile on a mountain bike. that's mullet. I have to disagree about being nothing like a dirtbike in fact some of the same companies are in volved in them and they share tech.
Mullet is the best thing they did to ebikes. Watching bike reviews and they say how awesome the bike is and climbs well, but doesn't corner well or go off drops well. The bike has 470mm chainstays. With a mullet they are getting them to acoustic 29er bikes chainstay lengths.
Yes I have a new SC Bronson M/x and it was a blast as far as fun. But for pure speed down a hard DH track which I do ride , the 29 er kills the Bronson in a race on a rough track.
@@powskierwhy not? To myself and lots of other people the 29er front wheel feels like a tractor slower. More sloth feeling over chatter. Some people, myself included do not like that feeling and just want a more lively ride. It’s just a preference bro, it’s not dumb. Dumb is thinking that someone else is because they don’t share the same opinion as you.
I ride a 2020 Hightower mullet and I love it. I’m 5’ 6” and I love how nimble it makes the bike. 29 in the rear is too big for my as the tire bites me on the butt
Wow Doddy maybe you have just convinced yourself in the past about 29ers being better for you. I never understood your choice because you say you like to feel the trail but a 29er does the opposite. Nice to see you open your eyes. It still looks like you are 29er biased. The results are obvious Anna been riding a mullet and you normally a 29er of coarse you are are faster on the those bikes you normally ride. Great video . Thinking of going 29er front on my 2015 Nukeproof Mega AM 27.5. The frame spec says it can take up to 180 fork so will try a 160 29er and offset rear shock bushings to make it mullet. Can't wait to try it
okay i siggested this a couple of years . an overforked reverse mullet. i think it should be a dh beast with a 27 front and a 29 rear and the biggest fork you can get for clearance.
Well, I avoided getting a mullet when everyone had them in junior high in the 80s, but this considering one. Especially Doddy's BMX comments. I wasn't any sort of racer, but even now I miss the flingability (new word) of my old Schwinn Predator from long, long ago.
Tried it on my hightower, even with the flip chip on high position the BB was 11mm lower. So im not sure if it was the wheel size or BB height that made the biggest difference. Loads more pedal strikes though.
might need 165 cranks, less strikes and easier on knees too but you lose some leverage which is only noticable when muscling an up hill, however flip side of that is short cranks spin up faster for higher revs.
I have a 26er which I picked up used (a poison mtb carbon frame with other cheap paraphernalia which costed 1grand eur) and all I have done is just commuting on it. However, I love it's agility when I ride a little forest trail to work. Makes me want to go out and ride the trails lol (broken bones or bike or both).
Do you prefer a mullet setup or 29" wheels for your ride? Share your thoughts with the GMBN Tech community down below! 👇
I am 182cm, 29" works gr8.
@@r-2069 mullet all day every day, have my specialized enduro and kenevo SL setup and feel sooooooo much better than full 29er
I am just 171cm. I ride 27.5 front and back. Tried 29' at the front - it was worse.
I definitely like my mullet. But I have yet to try full 29”. I do like the mullet compared to a 27.5 but I’m not convinced 27.5 vs 26” yet.
Moved to a full 29" set up this season (from a 27.5") - love how it just blasts through, over and down stuff...but damn it is harder in tight corners...unfortunately no mullet option on my current bike, but would definitely like to compare one in the future. At the moment i'll learn to corner better and just enjoy it.
I know it's not faster in the long run but i tried 26 fs and it corners and accelerates beautifully. We have to remember MTB is about fun. Not always about racing.
I love the way 26 looks as well. Looks like motocross
Unless you are a racer...
Hi Ana, glad you joined the channel I'm enjoying your input in the shows.
We need more of this style of video! I loved the dynamic and dialogue between you two. Also, Doddy did a great job of explaining the feel of the bike on-course. This was a very well-put-together video that immersed the viewer I. The experience.
27.5" front and rear always 🙌🔥
If you want stability and down the trail, mullet can be really good by the way =P
29" feels clumsy to me, it rides the rocks better but the agility is just not good for me, 27.5" seems the best compromise but i have never tried a mullet!
I realized that only when i rode on real tracks. Lack confidence on 29er but am rookie so may take time to adapt
I have a 29er and i totally agree, the bike is cumbersome and unwieldy. I wouldn’t buy it again,
Great video 👏 I've just made the transition from a 27.5 full sus trail bike to a Specialized Status 160 mullet with the larger 29 front wheel and loving it 😎 The larger front wheel plus increased suspension has really helped my confidence while the back end with it's crazy short chain stay length keeps things fun at the back 👍
I ride a 29er all the time. However recently had an hour’s ride on a mullet , it felt better on the tight twisty’s really responsive. It was a lot of fun to ride.
I still like my 29er and the way it just rolls over terrain.
They both have a place.
Shame I can’t have both😉🤣
Love my 27.5 because it so much more fun. Rode a 29er on my home tracks and I was a lot faster with a lower heart rate, but my 27.5 is so much more fun. That's what it's all about for me.
I have a specialized status that’s a mullet set up. That bike has been a dream. Absolutely love it
I went from a 26 full sus to 27.5 plus. Going back to 26 a few months later, I scarred myself, it was like having continual "Oh sh·t" heart attacks!!! I sold the 26 full sus and bought a 29er plus 😀
I've just gone from a 27.5 to a 29er. Immediately I noticed the 27.5 was easier to pick up at the rear, more agile but rougher and slower. The 29er was harder to dance about on the trail but much smoother and it was so fast into things, I actually upgraded the front brake to a 203 four pot to slow down quicker! The only disadvantage is on very tight twisty trails and over jumps, I sometimes buzz my bum on the rear tyre, but I'll take that! Would be interested to ride a mullet though.
I'm planning on the other-direction-mullet. I have a 27.5" XC bike (2017 KTM Lycan 273) that I want to get more travel up front (110mm to 130/140mm?) as well as adjust my riding position. I plan on replacing the Rocklshox Recon 27.5 fork with a 2023 Rockshox Pike 29" fork and 29" front wheel. This should give me a slightly better riding position (more upright) which is something I've been struggling with a bit on downhill sections. The additional travel should also let me get a bit more aggressive in the sketchier bits, as should the slacker head angle. Assuming it just doesn't completely destroy the bike's handling then I think it will greatly improve my biking experience and let me hang onto the bike for a few more years without spending $1000s of dollars on an entirely new bike.
And thanks Anna & Doddy, this video was helpful in making the decision. It would be cool to see you do a video on extending the life of older bikes by doing something like I'm doing (or any number of other things). Shock upgrades, drivetrain upgrades, dropper post, tires/wheels, ratchet, etc., would be a cool video to see. Perhaps you could buy some older bikes and "modernize" them in an effort to make them more capable. Just a thought.
I have recently changed the rear to XC race worthy 29“ setup with very light tires and wheels whilst I stayed in front with good grip and more robust wheel- the bike got way better in handling and acceleration at the cost of some grip sometimes in climbs - but a good alternative to mullet setup - BTW I loved that feature - well done!
That is actually a very good idea 💡 👍
I put a 27.5" front in my 26" and although it was very noticeable, I liked it. Maybe that's a bit to do with the small size I started with, but the bike suited me better. It canceled out a bit of the 26" downsides and I could get used to the extra bulk at the front, so yes I was into the mullets.
Now I went to a different bike that has 29" front and rear, but also a lot more (basically a big step upwards in every aspect) but now I don't dare to mullet this. For one, because the bike wasn't meant to be ridden like that, but also because the difference between bikes is so big, I'm still getting my head round that. And in the process, I will probably get used to it by the time I'd decide to have space for experiments.
First off though, I still need to dial in a lot. Get some stuff serviced and so on. Then try some tracks that I don't have nearby, then see what I think.
From various ride videos on TH-cam, I sensed the impression that the difference is more noticeable and more positive when mounting a front 29er on a 27.5 bike, vs. mounting a rear 27.5 on a 29er. As I ride a former, I'm looking forward to converting mine.
As an absolute beginner.. 27.5 wheels are fine for me, having bigger wheels that make me go faster would be a bad idea for me (I am more likely to crash). 27.5 wheels alow me to work on line choice and technique more, I have more time and I am not that fast anyway.
Maybe in the future I will step up to mullet, but I am not bothered about 29ers. 🙏🏿
This is such a good test because like Doddy said Anna and Doddy are completely different riders and they’re different heights as well! Great test 👍
Btw I’m 5’6” and I still like 27.5 front and back and I’m really hoping the industry doesn’t move away from 27.5 wheels 🤞
Totally agree with Anna. Mullet looks badass. 👍 Currently running 27.5 front and back, but getting ready to try mullet because I ride a lot of chunky terrain, and I think it's going to help me have more fun.
I've gone back to full 27.5 bikes this season. Toyed with the idea of a mullet, and might still try it, but I'm out for smiles and laughs and happy to work the bike rather than just plow and REALLY enjoying the smaller wheels even at 6'2" (188cm). Racing or xc I'd for sure be full 29er, but that's not my riding.
26", 27.5 are fun for playing around but i love the confidence 29ers give me especially with modern geometry!
For me fun is more important. I have been running a mullet for a few months, and it is a blast. The bike just feels more alive.
I come from the 80's era of 26 inch rigid MTB's then hardtails so when I went to a 29er for my height of 6ft 5inch I loved them because they fit as Doddy says. However I have never felt I could throw them around the same as I could the 26 inch wheel bike so I am going to give a mullet setup a try on the enduro bike. Still think 29er XC is better for speed though.
@@Sidowse think the 2kg weight penalty depends on lots of factors such as group set weight, frame, course etc and not to mention if you're a 110kg rider putting out a high power output does 2kg really make a difference on some courses compared to momentum? Also if you're a 6ft 5inch rider frame fit of a 29er is also a factor to take account of.
Adding one thing… I think choosing a bike and wheelsize that matches your skills and trails is key.
It’s about the experience more than descent times for 97% of most riders. I’d rather feel like a pro… pumping and hopping features, railing berms and scandi on command than send it as fast as possible
Great point Paul!
Really good info. You guys are awesome together. 🇺🇲🤙🏼
My HT 27.5 makes me smile more in trail than my 29er FS for the trail that i have here.😁😁Will try mullet set up soon to see how it feels!Love you both!
Fun vid 💙 Yes, being comfortable plays a massive role. I've just started riding a 29er and it definitely feels smoother but Strava says I'm sitting on the same average speeds as my 27.5
I have a mixed wheel switchblade and a 29er xc bike. they both feel right in their own way. Every experiment ive seen with these confirms that 29 is faster at a base level but being comfortable on the platform can overcome that advantage. Id be really curious in different disciplines who is running a mx setup and possibly winning. might be a good revisit in a tech episode.
Great episode 👍🏼 Mullet all the way for me!
I did a mullet conversion on my San Quentin hardtail and the riding definitely improved for my. The big wheel deals with obstacles better and the cornering improved while the climbing and acceleration stayed the same. I definitely prefer a mullet and I just bought the Bronson 2022 which is a dream to ride. I think Anna was faster on the mullet because she was used to it. I think if she has a few runs with the 29er she would have been faster. Regarding the mullet vs 29er, I think it depends on the track and the rider whether the mullet is faster. It has not slowed down Loic Bruni who has won a few overalls with that set up nor prevented Jesse Melamid from being successful in EWS.
At the back end of 2014 I changed my bike and went from 26" wheels to 27.5" full sus. I didn't like the 29er and said I would never have one. Some of my previous comments can confirm that. Last year I got a 29er hardtail. Which is the mountain bike I ride all of the time. I still have my 27.5 full sus but I haven't ridden it recently. I did find the hardtail rolled much better and faster than the teeny wheels. I haven't ridden a mullet bike yet. Not sure if I would. Before the reason would have been. It's got a 29er on the front. Now it's because it's got a 27.5 " rear Wheel.
It's really interesting to see doddys reaction here. I'm 6ft6, come from a bmx background and ride a 27.5" 180/170mm enduro bike. Watching the channel in the past I've seen doddy talk on a few occasions about the benefits a 29er could have for tall riders. It made me wonder if I'm missing out by riding 27.5". I'm not someone who cares about going any faster, I just want to have fun on the trail and because of my bmx background I love to jib, pump and manual. I've always thought 27.5" was right for me because of this.
This is what I'm thinking and might just go full 27.5 again as it's just about the fun and having more space to move about on thre bike feels better! 😎
6'6" as well and come from a more bmx/dirt jump background. trying to decide whether I want to buy a mullet or 29er. Terrified of spending that much to feel like im on a boat.
I've been riding a mullet along side my full 27.5 and can confirm that it feels noticibly more lethargic and less fun. I would say it's easier to ride though.
@@RobSteal any news?
I think whatever gives you the best riding experience. If you want a sled that flys… enduro 29 and use the brakes. If you want something that’s more about enjoying the features in sacrifice of speed 27.5. If you want something of both, mullet it.
There is a reason why 5010 and other short/mid travel 27.5 exists and why 29 DH bikes exist
Personally, I still like railing corners on 27.5 plus bikes with small travel or hardtails. Especially hardtails as their rear centres are super short and basically feel like you’re dirt jumping a blue/black.
If it’s chudery or you’re bike parking alot, I really think 29 x2.6 long legged bikes are safer if you like to cruise
Hi guys great video. When I ride I’m basically out to have fun over speed every time. So when I bought my new bike I went for a mullet for that reason. It’s a 160 mm as the stuff round my way needs it but at the same time I like cutting corners and riding the trails as if I’m on my bmx. I’m a lanky sod but won’t consider a 29er. A mate runs a smaller 27.5 because he wants an agile fun bike and tried at 29 in the same bike as he has and it’s too stable for him even my mullet is too tank like.
something to keep in mind most mullet bikes can be turned into full 29" easily (not sure into dual 27.5 but I guess too) but 27.5 bikes can't be upgraded, watching this video made me think long term I have more choices buying a mullet than a 27.5 (I currently run a dual 27.5 xc 120mm muscular bike but I want a motocross/emtb next lol)
To add some mullet confusion, here in Kansas mullet means something different when referring to bikes. Here it means using SRAM AXS to pair a MTB drivetrain to road shifters on a gravel bike. So if you see pit videos from a race like Unbound and a rider says they are riding mullet, they are referring to their gears.
I’ve never rode a mullet setup, but I’d like to give it a try sometime. I have rode full 27.5 and full 29. My giant trance is a 27.5 and my daughter has a trek fuel that’s a 29 both size medium. For me riding is all about what puts the biggest smile on my face not necessarily how fast I go. To me a 29er feels like I’m 5 years old running around in my dads work boots and the 27.5 is just more responsive and fun. I also feel that a 27.5 climbs better on the steep stuff. The moral of the story is go with what ever makes you happiest and have the time of your life every time you ride!
I personally prefer the way the mullet feels compared to a full 29'er. Even if I'm not actually faster, I feel faster and I feel like the trail isn't muted like it is on a 29'er. I'm not going for lap times or racing, just having fun.
I got a question. Will an amateur be able to tell the difference between the two setups from the get-go or does it require alot of riding experience to be able to differentiate?
@@omera967 I've only been riding for a few years now, so I'd say I'm definitely an amateur. To be able to tell the difference you do need to put some trail time in on both setups so you can really feel the difference.
I am on 26 inch wheels. I love it on my Downhill Bike YT Tues. The feel of 26 inch wheels are great and tricks felt easier between 26/27.5/29 inch. Greetings from a German subscriber 😁🙌🏾✌🏾
My SC Tallboy (120mm/140mm, 30 lbs) is a 29er, and my new SC Heckler (150mm/160mm, 49 lbs) is an MX (mullet). Both are size XL. The longer travel heavier Heckler eMTB, imo, just maneuvers easier for me and is easier for me to unweight with the mullet setup.
27.5 front 26 rear is also a wicked mullet. Rowdy man
Anna answered it. She was slower on the 29er as she said she was over cooking corners and just the slight dabbing of the breaks was all it took to kill the speed. But let's not forget even racing should be about having fun.
I am 6'2 just under 200Lbs and think the 29er are the way to go due to how tall I am it just feels better
Awesome Video! Fun to watch. With a good conclusion: Both Sizes are fun!! It`s just different!!! 🙂
I love the mullet style bike feels really planted on the trails and helps me fit the bike beautifully 🙃
I don't race & I ride a Chinese carbon ebike see ELife/Cheeb, mine is from the USA a Luna X2 comes stock as a 27.5 I put a Zeb 29 fork 2.5 Maxxis minion DHF on the front and ride it as a mullet and I love it. Cheers from Northern California!!!
This is a great test and very fun to see the results.
I also loves Anna's game face when she is on the bike, looks so dedicated.
I have a Starling bikes Roost, it's a stainless steel hardtail mullet and it's pretty dang awesome!!
I'm in the process of converting my 2014 Rocky Mountain Instinct 950 MSL into a mullet. Other than putting in a 27.5" rear wheel I'm not planning any other mods. The standard head angle is 67.5, which is quite steep. I've already replaced the original stem with a shorter 40mm reach and slid the seat as far back as possible. The only question is if I'll need shorter crank arms for better clearance.
Because this is an older bike with "outdated" geometry, I think this will be the best mod for a bike of this age.
Great video guys....you really got me thinking.....
I had a Specialized BigHit in silver and now I am running a custom Nicolai G1 mullet 🤙
..the chemistry of you guys are getting so much better
and stronger the bond! amazing comparison on mullet
and 29er! kudos. more power!
I did an up-mullet i.e. put a bigger wheel in the front. Turns weird and needs a split second early lean/steer but rolls over better and improved BB clearance as I went up and not down. I am a small person so I am with Anna. 29er needs more effort to move around.
I put a 27 on my old gt chucker 2.0 😁 it's brill for short people. Surprisingly a good ride
I think you missed a major option... for those with a 27.5 bike. I put a 29 on the front of my 27.5 Bronson and it changed the bike. I was upgrading my fork and got one that would take a 29 as an option. Amazing difference. Try it.
I myself will definitely stay on I-29 ER but I plan on setting up a a mullet just to go along with my 29er
Should have rounded off the tests by sticking the 27.5 on the front with a 29er rear!
We need to see more Doddy and Anna riding vids
I would love to try it but I have to buy a new wheel, carry different spares when traveling, buying different tires and since my brand hasn't developed a "mullet link" I would have to adjust with a headset cup etc etc. Maybe on my next bike if that's an option but I'm happy with 29 at the moment. cheers
Currently running a mullet set up on my hardtail, and love it's playfulness. I do want to change out the dropouts and try a 29er rear to compare.
I put a 29er on my 27.5 EMTB and predictably got a slacker handling and faster rolling. Maybe a bit too slack up front but fun! That bike was so good it was stolen but new one is better and already has slacker geometry. Out of interest I'm going to put a 29er and see. BTW i've been following you folks a while and love the show.
My 650 b + with 2.8 tyres seems to roll faster on the rough stuff than my 29er
I have a commencal meta HT that I just built as a 27.5 bike but I have a 29 inch 140 mm front fork that I swap my 29in wheel into when I want to ride steeper rougher terrain. That slackens to head tube and raises the bottom bracket which makes it really good for going down steep stuff. Otherwise running it 27.5 front and rear it's just a big BMX bike and also the most fun bike I've ever ridden.
I got 29 curious so demoed a full 29 mega tower twice. I can say I like the added confidence of the front wheel when it gets steep and has some chunk but then my full 27.5 nomad is super fun. I really think the MX will be the route for me. Keep the fun but lose some of the hesitation of OTB fear in steep chunk.
I almost made the mistake of changing my 27.5 for a 29.
I’m so glad I didn’t buy a 29 (yet).
I think I’ll get a mullet in a near future.
Mullets (haircuts) were longer in the back... would make more sense if the back tire was bigger (which would be pointless)... I think someone just really wanted to use the name (even though it doesn't really fit)
It’s party in the back, 27.5 is more fun, at least they claim
When someone says mullet, I automatically see Jaromír Jágr in the 90 's :D :D :D
I think that a couple seconds difference could just be up to your personal riding style, and how tired and/or warmed up you were from the first run. You could also have been subconsciously trying harder on the one you thought would be faster, too. If your effort varied by as little as 1%, this would account for the time differences by itself. You'd have to be androids to keep your effort that consistent. It's too close to say it's specifically from the wheels, IMO. I do like the idea of the mullet though, and your thoughts on how it feels and how fun it is, are the most important to me. I'm intrigued by running a 27.5 with a big 2.8" tire, getting some of that diameter back, running low pressures for my bad back, and just having grip for days going up the hills. The only people concerned about being fast, are the people I ride with, lol.
With a 29" wheel you have slightly more mass, which would make a differeence to the force pulling you down the hill. For a light rider, something like 650g additional mass makes a 1% difference to the acceleration down the hill. For a heavier rider, its going to be closer to 1kg makes a 1% difference. How much advantage that gives you depends on how much time you were using gravity to accelerate you. The effect is cumulative so can make a big difference if you can carry the additional speed through the corners. You should weigh the wheels, then carry a weight in your pocket to compensate if you want to see the exact difference. I know what you did was just meant to be a bit of fun, but if people want to draw conclusions, you have to be objective.
Blake,have you experiment mullet on hardcore hardtail?????please make a video for it 💪
I have a giant reign which i ride as mullet... Its pretty darn awesome. Coming from an older 26er, i did find the front to be all business though - wherever you point that thing is where its going.
The back is quite a lot more playful, but the bike does tend to chatter quite a bit as well.
Mullet is clearly FUN but my cranks is not happy hitting the rocks every ride. My BB is too low so now I'm going back full 29er. My Current setup is 170travel 29er up front paired with 27.5 rear.
For me mullets turn better and feel more playful but 29er’s feel faster and roll over the rough stuff better. When I race local twisty stuff I use the mullet but next week I’m off to the megavalanche and it will be 29er all the way.
I’m 6ft. I never tried a mullet. I think the 27.5 may be sleet but it’s gunner and easier to move around then a 29
Just building myself a Mullet now, starting with a Whyte T130 for the shorter rear stay length of a 27.5, not sure if I’ll run 120 or 130 travel front (+10 or +20 front equivalent).
Having ridden it briefly before starting the conversion (and other upgrades) it climbs better than the T129 it’s replacing despite similar gearing (gear inch) and weight.
I Measured my DHF Front the other week and it was 28.5 in . ACROSS 😎😎😎
Been sticking with 27.5 front and back for a while as I find it suits me, but I’m only 5’6”. If I raced enduro I might think about going to a 29 up front but I don’t so sticking with the little wheels. Still race 4X on a 26” wheel too, however there’s a few trying bigger wheels in that now as well.
More Mullet content thank you!
Hi guys, another great video. Next time how about trying the test blind, you don’t get to see the rear wheel and base your thoughts on how the bike handles without any subconscious pre-conceptions.
Next you gotta do a test of various different mullets 27.5/29 vs 26/27.5 vs 26/29 vs 24/26!!!
Next time you should record the speed with Garmin/Komoot/etc to check in details what happened on each sections of the trail
Thanks for this, especially its not a thing we can easily test as we (average public, one bike, not a racer ride weekends for fun) do not have the bikes with flip chips/links or spare rear wheels let alone the time to work this through. Interesting conclusion and glad you both chose fun over efficiency. I would also like to see the same test with an average height rider though.
I’m still riding my bike built of spare bits and it’s 26 lol. I’m just glad I can get out. not sure what 27.5 wheels to get as the frame and fork is designed for 27.5
I’ve been riding a 27.5 for several years and recently added a 29’er. All of the points in the 29/27.5 debate are valid. Flowy & twisty, 27.5 changes direction faster and is more poppy & fun; it leaves me giggling and smiling ear to ear on my local alpine single track. 29 “feels” a bit faster but really shines in rocky, rooty, technical stuff & rolls through things that will hang up the smaller bike. The 29 is MUCH more enjoyable on desert/Moab-type trips where my 27.5 leaves me feeling a bit beat up. Is the mullet the answer to the 1-bike question? There are some really attractive mullets on the market right now (like SC Bronson, etc). It’s probably what I would choose if I was starting from scratch & could only have one bike.
The industry seems to have been pushing 29-only for several years, which I think is disservice. I’m glad mullets are breaking that up. 650b needs to stay alive!
I have a 2004 Yeti AS-X. It's a 26er 170mm travel frame. I put a 29er 170mm Yari on the front and a Works Components 2.3 angle headset. Headtube angle is 62.5°. I call it a "Skullette". Seat tube angle is horrible. And it's unstable jumping. It descends steep tech amazing.
27.5 full sus is so agile it feels right, trying a 29 felt lethargic and heavy I will stick with 27.5
I have a Bronson V4 ... mullet for life!!!
Hahaha!! Love it, Doddy joined the mullet crew... I never would have thought it possible!!
dirt bikes are setup that way. I think both can be faster it's about how you use the advantages each one offers. I roll with the mullet myself.
I suspect the reason why dirt bikes have a smaller rear wheel is to allow for more suspension travel without having a massively tall bike.
@@benjy288 they were doing it before the bikes had more travel
@@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v And I bet they were shorter too.
Kinda comparing different things. A 200lb dirtbike with a powerful motor in it is virtually nothing like a bicycle. I rode dirtbikes for years and they are not like bicycles...at all. Motorcycles and dirtbikes also run larger back tires, which is opposite on MTB. You often see the larger tires in front on MTB.
@@Muskiehunter92 actual it not that uncommon for rear tire to have a slight bit wider flatter profile on a mountain bike. that's mullet. I have to disagree about being nothing like a dirtbike in fact some of the same companies are in volved in them and they share tech.
Mullet is the best thing they did to ebikes. Watching bike reviews and they say how awesome the bike is and climbs well, but doesn't corner well or go off drops well. The bike has 470mm chainstays. With a mullet they are getting them to acoustic 29er bikes chainstay lengths.
Yes I have a new SC Bronson M/x and it was a blast as far as fun. But for pure speed down a hard DH track which I do ride , the 29 er kills the Bronson in a race on a rough track.
I like 27.5 front and rear😏
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Dumb. No way would I ever not want a 29" wheel in the front.
@@powskierwhy not? To myself and lots of other people the 29er front wheel feels like a tractor slower. More sloth feeling over chatter. Some people, myself included do not like that feeling and just want a more lively ride. It’s just a preference bro, it’s not dumb. Dumb is thinking that someone else is because they don’t share the same opinion as you.
@@gmatos123 You must not have big rock gardens where you ride.
I ride a 2020 Hightower mullet and I love it. I’m 5’ 6” and I love how nimble it makes the bike. 29 in the rear is too big for my as the tire bites me on the butt
Wow Doddy maybe you have just convinced yourself in the past about 29ers being better for you. I never understood your choice because you say you like to feel the trail but a 29er does the opposite. Nice to see you open your eyes. It still looks like you are 29er biased. The results are obvious Anna been riding a mullet and you normally a 29er of coarse you are are faster on the those bikes you normally ride. Great video . Thinking of going 29er front on my 2015 Nukeproof Mega AM 27.5. The frame spec says it can take up to 180 fork so will try a 160 29er and offset rear shock bushings to make it mullet. Can't wait to try it
okay i siggested this a couple of years . an overforked reverse mullet. i think it should be a dh beast with a 27 front and a 29 rear and the biggest fork you can get for clearance.
Well, I avoided getting a mullet when everyone had them in junior high in the 80s, but this considering one. Especially Doddy's BMX comments. I wasn't any sort of racer, but even now I miss the flingability (new word) of my old Schwinn Predator from long, long ago.
I had a predator also, look them up on eBay they are big money now. LoL
@@joesee8079 I sold mine three or four years ago to a collector. I did okay, but not as well as some of those eBay sales. Wow.
Tried it on my hightower, even with the flip chip on high position the BB was 11mm lower. So im not sure if it was the wheel size or BB height that made the biggest difference. Loads more pedal strikes though.
might need 165 cranks, less strikes and easier on knees too but you lose some leverage which is only noticable when muscling an up hill, however flip side of that is short cranks spin up faster for higher revs.
I have a 26er which I picked up used (a poison mtb carbon frame with other cheap paraphernalia which costed 1grand eur) and all I have done is just commuting on it. However, I love it's agility when I ride a little forest trail to work. Makes me want to go out and ride the trails lol (broken bones or bike or both).
I’ve got 2014 Trek session dh that I took the boxxer off and put a Zeb on so I could run Mullet. 😎
First mullet was Penny Farthing high wheeler from 1880 🙃