"this is plagiarism." I think it's much more fair to say that you recognise the moves from Rosas Danst Rosas. Ofcouse, those moves where not invented by Keersmaeker, the all had been done before a million times, she just put them together in a choreography. beyonce did not perform that choreography and you'd be hard pressed to make the claim that nay of RdR's moves are so unique that they can be claimed to be iconic.
@@vinny142 it is very obvious you’re not involved in the non-commercial dance world. Anne de Keersmaker is a well known choreographer and many know of her dances. Rosas danst rosas was particularly famous because of the editing. A sequence of movement, choreography, can be plagiarized. There are popular social dances and techniques, of course, but it is not the same to completely rip a set, costume design, and choreography. This is only a small clip of the Countdown vide, which does feature choreography stolen from other works. This also isn’t the first time she’s done this.
thank you, beyonce, for bringing to my attention the marvelous work of de keersmaeker. i'm really sorry you couldn't be upfront about it and give credit where credit was so obviously due.
Plagiarism = lazy. I'm glad they got caught. I don't know if I'd blame Beyonce as much as the choreographer who staged the video. On the other hand, if Beyonce watched the De Keersmaeker performance and stole the movements, that would really knock her down a few notches as a creative artist. Does anyone know whether she did?
It's obvious. Really obvious. But it is not ripping off. It is a homage. This is like a hip hop artist sampling a line from biggie smalls. You look up to this person and want to show respect and his influence over you by directly incorporating a small bit of his music into yours.
Croix If credit isn't given at the time of the publication, it's not an homage. It's plagiarism. An homage give credit to the original artist. After-the-fact credit, which I haven't seen from Beyonce or her choreographer is too little too late.
People forget that celebrities are surrounded by influencers... maybe it wasn't Beyonce but her choreographer or art director or stylist/brand consultant or agent who copied and Beyonce literally didn't know. But if it was Beyonce and her entourage didn't stress the importance of contacting Anne then that's a management problem...
Lee Milby Unfortunately ( for some not all)the people that surround the star have dual roles. They have their job duties and can be a readily available escape goat for their boss. Remember not that long ago Mariah Careys hairstylist was arrested with a briefcase full of perscription meds. Who knows if they were for her own consumption or she was taking the fall for Mariah.It wouldnt be the first time it happened and it definitely won't be the last. 💜💜
wow everytime i see something beyonce does i see it in a older video and she don't even credit the people she steal the ideas from unless it becomes publicly known from work it out thru countdown inc live perfomances smdh
@ImTheOne29 The fact that no one in the US knows who the artist is who created the original choreography is the entire point. The originator is a well known choreographer in her own country and the work would be easily recognizable there. Here, Beyonce can pass it off as a brand now piece since Americans aren't familiar with it.
@OneSoloArtist "Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery" > Really? I thought that giving credit when and where it was due was the most sincere form of flattery... So if I understand you well enough, because YOU've never heard of an artist it is okay to steal the product of, literally, her sweat by someone who has some more "coverage" and who is used to steal others people work? As for the rest of your "comment": nice language, great attitude. How old are you again?
@GSGIRLL Inspiration is taking something and making it your OWN...not copying the setting, hair, costuming, and moves. Michael Jackson was inspired by James Brown, he was not a carbon copy. On top of that, she did not tell the choreographer that she would be using her work. For someone who's a vet in the biz, you'd think she'd know you need PERMISSION to use someone's work. She needs to fire her "creative" team and read up on law. There's a fine line between inspiration and copying.
@RealSistah When Madonna made the Material Girl video, it was clearly set as a tribute/parody of Marilyn Monroe. here, the scenes are just stolen. That makes a difference.
It is never okay to steal anyone's work without their permission or giving them credit! If you were at work and had spent hours upon hours on an a task and then your boss came in and just took your work and presented it without giving you recognition you would be pissed, and you would never think "oh well my boss did it better so it's okay" It is so ridiculous the behavior we excuse.
That you are influenced by an artist and that can be perceived in your work is one thing, but to blatantly COPY the whole work is another! Maybe they thought Belgium was so far away nobody would notice.
@princesskathryn28 I don't know what university you went to, but in the papers we were writing, we had to acknowledge each and every one of our sources.
A cover is literally one's interpretation of a song which they fully announce and acknowledge was originally written and/or performed by another artist. Sampling implies using part of someone else's work and incorporating it into your own original creative work. Also, sampling is always acknowledged in the writing credits for any purchased physical copy of the music, whereas a music video has no equivalent. The moves weren't sampled, she straight up copied the entire choreography costumes & all.
@mfexx No, she didn't have permission. To everyone saying they don't know Anne, she's well known in the dance world. She never wanted to go mainstream, which is why her name is not plastered all over. Obviously, Beyonce thinks she could make it because she used her moves for the second half of the video. This is copyright infringement as well. Unless Anne signed something or verbally agreed, Beyonce can be sued. Clearly this didn't happen because she was shocked when she saw the video.
“Clearly, the ballet ‘Rosas danst Rosas’ was one of many references for my video ‘Countdown'. It was one of the inspirations used to bring the feel and look of the song to life.” - BEYONCÉ
@Cheenjoo Thank you!!! You couldn't have said it better. It's so greedy of her to keep doing this. I mean she dont even give her own sister credit for writting some of her songs(Get me bodied, Upgrade U, Flaws and all, etc). Smh
She always gives credit in the end like for single ladies she say she looked at alot of_______ artist or was inspired by ________ choreographer. She does it mostly in interviews and documentries
@mrbeetlejuice88 Lady Gaga inspires other popular artists to copy others. It was Marilyn Manson who said that Lady Gaga needs to stop sampling other artists stage costumes and songs and poses.
Beyoncé's reaction was hilarious! "it's good publicity for Anne Teresa". Bwhahahahahaha! You call that videoclip good publicity? Sorry...pfffttttwhahahahaha! lolol!
Yes it is good publicity, because the number pf people who know Teresa is quite literally minuscule compared to the hundreds of millions that know Byonce. People who like Byonce's moves and hear about this "controversy" will learn about Teresa. Stop laughing, start thinking.
I think she "redid" alot of other ppls things for her 4 album. Like the African group who she got to teach her the dance. I always wonder why she never took those boys on tour but, went and got Les Twins to perform with her worldwide. It seems like it would've been better to give the boys from Run The World video a chance to see the world and perform since she saw how much they enjoyed the video shoot. financially she had the means to get them an interpreter so they could communicate with her
I'm looking for a long time for a DVD cope of "Rosas Danst Rosas". Actually, I'm impressed that Beyonce is aware of such gems. But maybe it was just one of her producers, someone who has really studied and developed an expertise, and thus she again has a plausible deniability.
Wow, even the hairstyles B is the same as the one copied from. The dancers too! The more I watch this video more it reinforces what the owner said of B's plagiarism.
”Clearly, the ballet ‘Rosas danst Rosas’ was one of many references for my video ‘Countdown’. It was one of the inspirations used to bring the feel and look of the song to life.” -Beyonce
It's not plagiarism if it's a clear reference to other material, the dance moves and clothing used are a clear reference to the original. There are many other clear references to other material in the entire Beyonce video. The references are also a clear homage to the original material, not disguised copying. The mistake is that permission was not asked of the other artists.
Just because beyonce said she is "inspired" by it doesnt give her an excuse. What if I had an essay to do for class and copied the exact essay from my friend, and when the teacher confronted me about it, i said i was "inspired" by my friends essay? plagiarism is plagiarism
PEOPLE! THIS video is all about a homage to the past. That is why she is counting anti clockwise in the beginning and how she is using all her inspirations in the video to pay respect to the past. It is NOT copying, she never stated ever that this was an original video. Everyone is so quick to judge without realising the truth. I think what she did was amazing, representing the past in such an artistic way. Beyonce is an icon and always will be. End Of. Thumbs up if you agree.
Anybody ever hear the word inspiration? She might have been inspired to do her own version of it. Doesnt mean she's any less creative! Why do ppl always think it's copying or whatever. It's called inspiration.
Maybe part of the point is to strike up discussion and a curiosity for art history and "high art". I mean how many of us even knew who Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker was before this video? I didn't and I'm a dancer. I for one am so happy that a major pop artist like Beyonce is paying attention to these iconoclastic figures and choreographers and I think she's a more well-rounded and transcendental artist because of it.
@crazyman37 I don't see how these scenes are 'just stolen' and videos like "Material Girl," "Don't forget About Us," "I Still Believe," "I'm Your Baby Tonight," "Twenty Foreplay" etc. are 'clearly set as a tribute' to Marylin Monroe, Marlene Dietrich, The Supremes, Audrey Hepburn & Dorothy Dandridge. Did you not watch the entire video? It's filled with tributes to various people, not just Anne. If the entire video was focused around Anne then I could see why people are so pissed
@Flurolamp I know Beyoncé wasn't allowed to use this choreography because Anne Teresa has said as much several times in public statements. No one in Beyoncé's entourage contacted Anne or her representatives. She literally only found out when someone else noticed the striking similarities between the Beyoncé video and Rosas danst Rosas.
@ItsDiO If you sample an older song for your own, you are supposed to pay the original artist for the use of the sample. I hope you know this. This is precisely the issue here. Beyoncé used Anne's choreography without asking permission or offering any compensation.
@AryehAmitz "Heavy influences" seems a bit vague. When you copy the moves, costumes and set from a piece I think it's only fair to quote the artist name. And even if it's not required by law (have no idea if it is or not), I also think asking permission to the artist would be more respectful.
Well, the song has samples from Boyz II Men. So you could say the moves were 'sampled' from AT De Keersmaeker. All artists do this. I don't know what your favorite band or artist is but they probably did covers or used samples from songs without giving any credit. That's just how the music industry works =)
@ihaveseoul yeah credit would be cool but its a music video, not a thesis. there are tons of videos taken from movies, tv shows, and older music videos. they almost never acknowledge their source, they leave it up to they viewer. ie (Alicia Keys) "you don't know my name"/ (Fugees) "killing me softly" = Cooley High, (Wale) "the break up song"= 500 days of summer, (Jay-Z) "Roc Boys"= A Bronx Tale, (Tupac) "california Love"= Mad Max, (Fountains of Wayne) "Stacy's Mom"= Fast times at Ridgemont High
You people are ridiculous! Whitney Houston used a scene in her "I'm your baby tonight" video from the same choreographer and you idiots didn't say anything then! Most of the choreography she uses is youtube inspired. She even gives props to the choreographers in interviews but people are so quick to judge that they don't look at her interviews. The same thing for single ladies and Run the World. She even flew the african dancers to the states to teach the dance and they were in her video!!
Who cares if she's copied it?? Its a great video and she's done it really well-I love the video!! Anyway, its the music which matters...you hear music, not see it. :)
The whole video was made based on choreography of films that were hits in the decade of 50/60. At no time was told that Beyonce created the choreography, to be considered plagiarism. All the inspiration had been disclosed before the video appears.
I think the most interesting thing about the majority of these comments is the amount of energy that people are putting into this...who cares?!! But that's the world we live in, inordinate love and hatred for complete strangers.
@princesskathryn28 So you're claiming that if one were to remove any reference to Audrey Hepburn, Brigitte Bardot, Andy Warhol, Diana Ross & Twiggy from the video that 90% of the video would still be there? I can say with certainty that statement is false. My point is that people come down hard on Beyonce when others like Madonna, Gaga, Janet, Mariah, J.Lo, & Whitney have all done the same thing as her. No one gave Beyonce a chance to explain the concept of the video before the criticism ensued
@OfficialJUSTINLuver but what about back in the days where Jazz and swings sounded all alike but no one got in trouble while they all were just having fun because it is MUSIC?
@Puneeco Beyonce did the same exact dance and wore the same clothes, she didnt alter nothing to make it seem like her own. In Single Ladies where she got the dance from a TH-cam video she saw, she altered the dance moves, I can understand an argument there but this where she ding everything from the dance moves down to the clothing exactly the same, its obviously paying homage to classic dancing, Anne Tersa said herself that she appreciates that her work is being recognize today in pop culture.
@jcudal32 It's not a question of "paying" any kind of money but: 1. She could have contacted the choregrapher BEFORE making the video and ask for permission to use her choregraphy! 2. She could give her credits for the choregraphy at the end of the video clip. Did she do that? No! Just a question of good manners!
@27twentyseven27 I agree. In the 1980s, the group "Queen" lifted footage from Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" for their "Radio Gaga" video. They obtained permission. How? They asked! They gave a "Thank you" notice to Metropolis at the end of the video. That was then. These days, the feeling is that if you see something or hear it, it's yours. "I like it, so I get to have it. It was on TH-cam, so it's free, right? Since when are people allowed to own what they create?" And so it goes . . .
Beyonce admits inspired by Belgian dance moves. "On Tuesday Beyonce issued a statement saying: "Clearly, the ballet 'Rosas danst Rosas' was one of many references for my video, 'Countdown.' It was one of the inspirations used to bring the feel and look of the song to life." source: AFP (google news)
No way this can't be plagiarism. If you make a tribute you mention that it's a tribute before releasing the thing, not after. Now Beyoncé and her reps are saying they were inspiring and made some sort of tribute but that's just damage control. They're going down, I really hope this lawsuit goes all the way.
No she gave them all the credit. She even put them in the music video and brought them to Amercia to teach her and th her dances the steps. Its all in th documentry
We're getting way off topic. PEOPLE tend to want credit their ARTISTIC works. That's what we're talking about and there's not much to discuss because that fact is what it is.
Only a fool would argue this, like who in their right mind would think that she could copy this and then not have it come out?? She is freaking beyonce and thee way this blew out of proportion just goes to show that she was paying homage to the artist.. She knew people would eventually know where it came from.. I have never seen any artist credit anyone on a music video cause the proof will be in the video once it comes out
@OKzs That goes back to a question I asked a few days ago on here. Should Beyonce, or any mainstream artist for that matter, be limited to only widely known artists as far as who they choose as their inspiration? Who's to say Beyonce went into this video with the intention of passing this scene as her own? That doesn't make sense considering the content of the rest of the video. Why choose to try & insert an 'original' scene in a video like this where there are references everywhere?
@Puneeco Looked it up and the original choreographer's comments were indifferent. She isn't pleased or displeased. It's one small sequence and 2 moves shown here. She's glad her choreographer which would otherwise have never been given this much attention is finally receiving some. It's simply imitation so I think you should take it for what it is.
@Puneeco Uhm to be exact, Supposedly it should be Beyonce's Choreographer who should be facing this case... If He should've informed beyonce that it was inspired by an original video, then it would 've been edited.. Site from yahoo news...
@ChantalYHylton Anne does not need Beyoncé to make her relevant, she is one of the most respected choreographers in the world. That statement says more about you than it does about Anne.
@RealSistah those videos didn't copy all of it step by step, frame by frame. so "inspiration" can definitely be passed as an excuse... an example: in college, you can use quotes from someone or something to make a valid point but you cannot use that someone or that something's entire book as your whole argument because he or it, just made your argument for you, and all you had to do was just copy and paste it... this is what beyonce did, she didn't quote anything or anyone, she copied and pasted
@SaTrinomaNagkita That's EXACTLY what she did, paying tribute, to the scene, not just the moves alone. If she did it in her leotard then you can call it stealing. As far as meaning of "Fan" goes. I think it's safe to say when you "tribute" to someone, you're qualified as being a fan. So she's just a more famous and richer fan than other youtubers, so what! You can't hold her against that.
The worst part is that the whole mainstream world does not know that Rosas Dantz Rosas is one of the most influential pieces in the dance history
hard to call it an "ode" when she never asked Keersmaeker's permission and never gave the woman a shout out. this is plagiarism.
originalblerd exactly.
"this is plagiarism."
I think it's much more fair to say that you recognise the moves from Rosas Danst Rosas. Ofcouse, those moves where not invented by Keersmaeker, the all had been done before a million times, she just put them together in a choreography. beyonce did not perform that choreography and you'd be hard pressed to make the claim that nay of RdR's moves are so unique that they can be claimed to be iconic.
@@vinny142 it is very obvious you’re not involved in the non-commercial dance world. Anne de Keersmaker is a well known choreographer and many know of her dances. Rosas danst rosas was particularly famous because of the editing. A sequence of movement, choreography, can be plagiarized. There are popular social dances and techniques, of course, but it is not the same to completely rip a set, costume design, and choreography. This is only a small clip of the Countdown vide, which does feature choreography stolen from other works. This also isn’t the first time she’s done this.
In college and high school we probably all learned the hard way about correctly citing sources/references. Beyonce needs to do just that.
She doesn’t need or want to because she can just throw money at people to silence them.. and this is a decade later I’ve come across this video!!
the funniest was when she tried to take credit for "to the left" and ne-yo told everyone he wrote it
That's not just copying choreography, that's copying a whole SCENE, sets, costumes, makeup, lighting, direction, everything.
No get a job
@@abdelhalimmechti9268 you are who need to go back to school
@@jayanirmala-lo3vp shut up
And it can't be called a 'cover' since she presented it as her own original work until she was finally forced to admit otherwise.
Coming from 2024…This aged well
Where did she present it as her own original work?
@@ahhrealmonsters8834obsessed weirdos
@@Mya_water are you describing yourself?
@@dontlookatme9692 You jealous weirdos out from the basement
thank you, beyonce, for bringing to my attention the marvelous work of de keersmaeker. i'm really sorry you couldn't be upfront about it and give credit where credit was so obviously due.
Plagiarism = lazy. I'm glad they got caught. I don't know if I'd blame Beyonce as much as the choreographer who staged the video. On the other hand, if Beyonce watched the De Keersmaeker performance and stole the movements, that would really knock her down a few notches as a creative artist. Does anyone know whether she did?
It's obvious. Really obvious.
But it is not ripping off. It is a homage.
This is like a hip hop artist sampling a line from biggie smalls. You look up to this person and want to show respect and his influence over you by directly incorporating a small bit of his music into yours.
Croix If credit isn't given at the time of the publication, it's not an homage. It's plagiarism. An homage give credit to the original artist. After-the-fact credit, which I haven't seen from Beyonce or her choreographer is too little too late.
@@Croix1 RESPECT IS A PART OF HOMAGE.SHE NEEDED TO ASK
she never get tried of stealing !
People forget that celebrities are surrounded by influencers... maybe it wasn't Beyonce but her choreographer or art director or stylist/brand consultant or agent who copied and Beyonce literally didn't know. But if it was Beyonce and her entourage didn't stress the importance of contacting Anne then that's a management problem...
Lee Milby
Unfortunately ( for some not all)the people that surround the star have dual roles. They have their job duties and can be a readily available escape goat for their boss. Remember not that long ago Mariah Careys hairstylist was arrested with a briefcase full of perscription meds. Who knows if they were for her own consumption or she was taking the fall for Mariah.It wouldnt be the first time it happened and it definitely won't be the last. 💜💜
Lee Milby acts he personally admitted to being "influenced" by her, herself.
@MrFutureseer According to the original artist she knew nothing about this, and hadn't given her permission.
wow everytime i see something beyonce does i see it in a older video and she don't even credit the people she steal the ideas from unless it becomes publicly known from work it out thru countdown inc live perfomances smdh
She actually isn't upset that her moves were used, she was upset that it has taken this long for her to be recognised.
@ImTheOne29 The fact that no one in the US knows who the artist is who created the original choreography is the entire point. The originator is a well known choreographer in her own country and the work would be easily recognizable there. Here, Beyonce can pass it off as a brand now piece since Americans aren't familiar with it.
"Inspired" riiight...
It should say inspired by and imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
@OneSoloArtist
"Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery" > Really? I thought that giving credit when and where it was due was the most sincere form of flattery...
So if I understand you well enough, because YOU've never heard of an artist it is okay to steal the product of, literally, her sweat by someone who has some more "coverage" and who is used to steal others people work?
As for the rest of your "comment": nice language, great attitude. How old are you again?
@789joeh The "Russian" girl is actually Belgian, and a world-renowned choreographer and dancer.
@GSGIRLL Inspiration is taking something and making it your OWN...not copying the setting, hair, costuming, and moves. Michael Jackson was inspired by James Brown, he was not a carbon copy. On top of that, she did not tell the choreographer that she would be using her work. For someone who's a vet in the biz, you'd think she'd know you need PERMISSION to use someone's work. She needs to fire her "creative" team and read up on law. There's a fine line between inspiration and copying.
@jasongetsdown
I LOVE how her ENTIRE career is "sampling"....
@RealSistah When Madonna made the Material Girl video, it was clearly set as a tribute/parody of Marilyn Monroe. here, the scenes are just stolen. That makes a difference.
It is never okay to steal anyone's work without their permission or giving them credit! If you were at work and had spent hours upon hours on an a task and then your boss came in and just took your work and presented it without giving you recognition you would be pissed, and you would never think "oh well my boss did it better so it's okay" It is so ridiculous the behavior we excuse.
That you are influenced by an artist and that can be perceived in your work is one thing, but to blatantly COPY the whole work is another! Maybe they thought Belgium was so far away nobody would notice.
@princesskathryn28 I don't know what university you went to, but in the papers we were writing, we had to acknowledge each and every one of our sources.
A cover is literally one's interpretation of a song which they fully announce and acknowledge was originally written and/or performed by another artist. Sampling implies using part of someone else's work and incorporating it into your own original creative work. Also, sampling is always acknowledged in the writing credits for any purchased physical copy of the music, whereas a music video has no equivalent. The moves weren't sampled, she straight up copied the entire choreography costumes & all.
The first scene was soooo similar! It is 100% unlikely that this could be a coincidence.
I’m shocked
@mfexx No, she didn't have permission. To everyone saying they don't know Anne, she's well known in the dance world. She never wanted to go mainstream, which is why her name is not plastered all over. Obviously, Beyonce thinks she could make it because she used her moves for the second half of the video. This is copyright infringement as well. Unless Anne signed something or verbally agreed, Beyonce can be sued. Clearly this didn't happen because she was shocked when she saw the video.
“Clearly, the ballet ‘Rosas danst Rosas’ was one of many references for my video ‘Countdown'. It was one of the inspirations used to bring the feel and look of the song to life.” - BEYONCÉ
So pay for it biatch
@Cheenjoo Thank you!!! You couldn't have said it better. It's so greedy of her to keep doing this. I mean she dont even give her own sister credit for writting some of her songs(Get me bodied, Upgrade U, Flaws and all, etc). Smh
Realmente tem passos idênticos
She always gives credit in the end like for single ladies she say she looked at alot of_______ artist or was inspired by ________ choreographer. She does it mostly in interviews and documentries
this isnt about paying homage, its about lacking thought of creativity
@gladitsnotme chearch Split Screen: Beyonce "Countdown" vs Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker
it's not just one move....
I doubt she even write her songs LOL more like paying ghost writer
Of course not lemonade had like over 60 different writers
@mrbeetlejuice88 Lady Gaga inspires other popular artists to copy others. It was Marilyn Manson who said that Lady Gaga needs to stop sampling other artists stage costumes and songs and poses.
Beyoncé's reaction was hilarious! "it's good publicity for Anne Teresa".
Bwhahahahahaha! You call that videoclip good publicity? Sorry...pfffttttwhahahahaha! lolol!
Yes it is good publicity, because the number pf people who know Teresa is quite literally minuscule compared to the hundreds of millions that know Byonce. People who like Byonce's moves and hear about this "controversy" will learn about Teresa.
Stop laughing, start thinking.
I think she "redid" alot of other ppls things for her 4 album. Like the African group who she got to teach her the dance. I always wonder why she never took those boys on tour but, went and got Les Twins to perform with her worldwide. It seems like it would've been better to give the boys from Run The World video a chance to see the world and perform since she saw how much they enjoyed the video shoot. financially she had the means to get them an interpreter so they could communicate with her
I'm looking for a long time for a DVD cope of "Rosas Danst Rosas".
Actually, I'm impressed that Beyonce is aware of such gems. But maybe it was just one of her producers, someone who has really studied and developed an expertise, and thus she again has a plausible deniability.
I dont care if she copied it!!It is her choreographer who did it!!
Wow, even the hairstyles B is the same as the one copied from. The dancers too!
The more I watch this video more it reinforces what the owner said of B's plagiarism.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ABOUT SOMEONE CALLED ANNE TERESA DE KEERSMAEKER, so she should be thankful :)
”Clearly, the ballet ‘Rosas danst Rosas’ was one of many references for my video ‘Countdown’. It was one of the inspirations used to bring the feel and look of the song to life.” -Beyonce
y does everyone think beyonce is plagerizing or stealin peoples stuff and then beyonce always gives props to whoever she was inspired from
Disgusting plagiarism
It's not plagiarism if it's a clear reference to other material, the dance moves and clothing used are a clear reference to the original. There are many other clear references to other material in the entire Beyonce video. The references are also a clear homage to the original material, not disguised copying. The mistake is that permission was not asked of the other artists.
YALL BE TRIPPIN! NO ONE OWNS ANYTHING!
Just because beyonce said she is "inspired" by it doesnt give her an excuse. What if I had an essay to do for class and copied the exact essay from my friend, and when the teacher confronted me about it, i said i was "inspired" by my friends essay? plagiarism is plagiarism
Have you all read de Keersmaeker's elegant response to Countdown? Google "Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker statement about Beyonce's Countdown".
has every bode noticed that this video came out the exact same day beyonce's countdown video came out coincidence
PEOPLE! THIS video is all about a homage to the past. That is why she is counting anti clockwise in the beginning and how she is using all her inspirations in the video to pay respect to the past. It is NOT copying, she never stated ever that this was an original video. Everyone is so quick to judge without realising the truth. I think what she did was amazing, representing the past in such an artistic way. Beyonce is an icon and always will be. End Of. Thumbs up if you agree.
Anybody ever hear the word inspiration? She might have been inspired to do her own version of it. Doesnt mean she's any less creative! Why do ppl always think it's copying or whatever. It's called inspiration.
Maybe part of the point is to strike up discussion and a curiosity for art history and "high art". I mean how many of us even knew who Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker was before this video? I didn't and I'm a dancer.
I for one am so happy that a major pop artist like Beyonce is paying attention to these iconoclastic figures and choreographers and I think she's a more well-rounded and transcendental artist because of it.
art is art, and biting is biting
What's the name of the violin piece of the end? does anybody know?, please
@crazyman37 I don't see how these scenes are 'just stolen' and videos like "Material Girl," "Don't forget About Us," "I Still Believe," "I'm Your Baby Tonight," "Twenty Foreplay" etc. are 'clearly set as a tribute' to Marylin Monroe, Marlene Dietrich, The Supremes, Audrey Hepburn & Dorothy Dandridge. Did you not watch the entire video? It's filled with tributes to various people, not just Anne. If the entire video was focused around Anne then I could see why people are so pissed
@Flurolamp I know Beyoncé wasn't allowed to use this choreography because Anne Teresa has said as much several times in public statements. No one in Beyoncé's entourage contacted Anne or her representatives. She literally only found out when someone else noticed the striking similarities between the Beyoncé video and Rosas danst Rosas.
@ItsDiO If you sample an older song for your own, you are supposed to pay the original artist for the use of the sample. I hope you know this. This is precisely the issue here. Beyoncé used Anne's choreography without asking permission or offering any compensation.
@AryehAmitz "Heavy influences" seems a bit vague. When you copy the moves, costumes and set from a piece I think it's only fair to quote the artist name. And even if it's not required by law (have no idea if it is or not), I also think asking permission to the artist would be more respectful.
Well, the song has samples from Boyz II Men. So you could say the moves were 'sampled' from AT De Keersmaeker.
All artists do this. I don't know what your favorite band or artist is but they probably did covers or used samples from songs without giving any credit. That's just how the music industry works =)
@ihaveseoul yeah credit would be cool but its a music video, not a thesis. there are tons of videos taken from movies, tv shows, and older music videos. they almost never acknowledge their source, they leave it up to they viewer. ie (Alicia Keys) "you don't know my name"/ (Fugees) "killing me softly" = Cooley High, (Wale) "the break up song"= 500 days of summer, (Jay-Z) "Roc Boys"= A Bronx Tale, (Tupac) "california Love"= Mad Max, (Fountains of Wayne) "Stacy's Mom"= Fast times at Ridgemont High
Beyonce like before the release of the video said that her music video for "Countdown" was inspired by anna
@Isorfilinde Maybe i didn't explain it right. she is taking something old and making it modern. It's seen before.
You people are ridiculous! Whitney Houston used a scene in her "I'm your baby tonight" video from the same choreographer and you idiots didn't say anything then! Most of the choreography she uses is youtube inspired. She even gives props to the choreographers in interviews but people are so quick to judge that they don't look at her interviews. The same thing for single ladies and Run the World. She even flew the african dancers to the states to teach the dance and they were in her video!!
now I know where that "talent" comes
Who cares if she's copied it?? Its a great video and she's done it really well-I love the video!! Anyway, its the music which matters...you hear music, not see it. :)
@SashaBeyonceFierce
The whole video was made based on choreography of films that were hits in the decade of 50/60. At no time was told that Beyonce created the choreography, to be considered plagiarism. All the inspiration had been disclosed before the video appears.
I think the most interesting thing about the majority of these comments is the amount of energy that people are putting into this...who cares?!!
But that's the world we live in, inordinate love and hatred for complete strangers.
@TheUberErin, did you read the article, which i think came right from Anne her self. She said she didn't really care.
@mrmannyman it is serious because she didnt get her permission to use her choreography she just took it
@Abstrakt55 Homage ?! You're all drunk !
Somethings money can't buy... like honesty.
@princesskathryn28 So you're claiming that if one were to remove any reference to Audrey Hepburn, Brigitte Bardot, Andy Warhol, Diana Ross & Twiggy from the video that 90% of the video would still be there? I can say with certainty that statement is false. My point is that people come down hard on Beyonce when others like Madonna, Gaga, Janet, Mariah, J.Lo, & Whitney have all done the same thing as her. No one gave Beyonce a chance to explain the concept of the video before the criticism ensued
@OfficialJUSTINLuver but what about back in the days where Jazz and swings sounded all alike but no one got in trouble while they all were just having fun because it is MUSIC?
@SashaBeyonceFierce Since when and where is the credit been given?!
@Puneeco Beyonce did the same exact dance and wore the same clothes, she didnt alter nothing to make it seem like her own. In Single Ladies where she got the dance from a TH-cam video she saw, she altered the dance moves, I can understand an argument there but this where she ding everything from the dance moves down to the clothing exactly the same, its obviously paying homage to classic dancing, Anne Tersa said herself that she appreciates that her work is being recognize today in pop culture.
@garyau1994 the "russian whatever dancer" is Belgian
You can copyright dance, specially if its filmed as in this case. Please do some research before adding more false information to the discussion.
I don't care if Anne is angry about Beyonce stealing her cheography. The only thing I care is that she made a hit song that broke records!!
@jcudal32
It's not a question of "paying" any kind of money but:
1. She could have contacted the choregrapher BEFORE making the video and ask for permission to use her choregraphy!
2. She could give her credits for the choregraphy at the end of the video clip.
Did she do that? No! Just a question of good manners!
imma let you finish, but quit stealin' people's shit.
@27twentyseven27 I agree. In the 1980s, the group "Queen" lifted footage from Fritz Lang's "Metropolis" for their "Radio Gaga" video. They obtained permission. How? They asked! They gave a "Thank you" notice to Metropolis at the end of the video. That was then. These days, the feeling is that if you see something or hear it, it's yours. "I like it, so I get to have it. It was on TH-cam, so it's free, right? Since when are people allowed to own what they create?"
And so it goes . . .
Beyonce admits inspired by Belgian dance moves.
"On Tuesday Beyonce issued a statement saying: "Clearly, the ballet 'Rosas danst Rosas' was one of many references for my video, 'Countdown.' It was one of the inspirations used to bring the feel and look of the song to life."
source: AFP (google news)
No way this can't be plagiarism. If you make a tribute you mention that it's a tribute before releasing the thing, not after. Now Beyoncé and her reps are saying they were inspiring and made some sort of tribute but that's just damage control. They're going down, I really hope this lawsuit goes all the way.
No she gave them all the credit. She even put them in the music video and brought them to Amercia to teach her and th her dances the steps. Its all in th documentry
We're getting way off topic. PEOPLE tend to want credit their ARTISTIC works. That's what we're talking about and there's not much to discuss because that fact is what it is.
Only a fool would argue this, like who in their right mind would think that she could copy this and then not have it come out?? She is freaking beyonce and thee way this blew out of proportion just goes to show that she was paying homage to the artist.. She knew people would eventually know where it came from.. I have never seen any artist credit anyone on a music video cause the proof will be in the video once it comes out
@OKzs That goes back to a question I asked a few days ago on here. Should Beyonce, or any mainstream artist for that matter, be limited to only widely known artists as far as who they choose as their inspiration? Who's to say Beyonce went into this video with the intention of passing this scene as her own? That doesn't make sense considering the content of the rest of the video. Why choose to try & insert an 'original' scene in a video like this where there are references everywhere?
Anne Teresa De Keersmaeker is phenomenal!!
@16Mind And it's not only the dance that was lifted but also the similarity of props and clothes.
@Puneeco Looked it up and the original choreographer's comments were indifferent. She isn't pleased or displeased. It's one small sequence and 2 moves shown here. She's glad her choreographer which would otherwise have never been given this much attention is finally receiving some. It's simply imitation so I think you should take it for what it is.
@DIANAROSS4EVER It's only my opinion, and Beyonce actually admitted to tributing famous actresses/choreographers for her video.
@jj4lvi How you not gonna ask permisson before you use someone else routine for you video?
@Puneeco Uhm to be exact, Supposedly it should be Beyonce's Choreographer who should be facing this case... If He should've informed beyonce that it was inspired by an original video, then it would 've been edited.. Site from yahoo news...
I like this video better than both of them separate
It's exactly the same! I wouldn't bother if Beyoncé asked her because it works in the video. But without permission it's a crime.
@ChantalYHylton Anne does not need Beyoncé to make her relevant, she is one of the most respected choreographers in the world. That statement says more about you than it does about Anne.
@RealSistah those videos didn't copy all of it step by step, frame by frame. so "inspiration" can definitely be passed as an excuse... an example: in college, you can use quotes from someone or something to make a valid point but you cannot use that someone or that something's entire book as your whole argument because he or it, just made your argument for you, and all you had to do was just copy and paste it... this is what beyonce did, she didn't quote anything or anyone, she copied and pasted
@SaTrinomaNagkita That's EXACTLY what she did, paying tribute, to the scene, not just the moves alone. If she did it in her leotard then you can call it stealing.
As far as meaning of "Fan" goes. I think it's safe to say when you "tribute" to someone, you're qualified as being a fan. So she's just a more famous and richer fan than other youtubers, so what! You can't hold her against that.