They seem to believe that the Treaty defines a conditional existence for NZ Europeans in their own country, which is an interpretation that we will never accept.
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Very hard for me to understand what you are actually meaning! Many terms you use are strange to me. Ie "walking in the treaty" ? Now the Treaty was arranged at a time @1830+ when Maori as a people m were passing through a HORRIBLE genocide population (1800) dropped to @ 40 60 000 from 120 or100000 . this was a terrible time 500 times worse than germany did to their own JEWS ( I AM ONLY MEANING THE actual german nation not what they did to other nations) The English "governor" was clearly ordered to insist on "sovereignty " or no deal. A whole heap of other things are also needing understanding stone tools are very very poor when against iron, common diseases which Maori had no resistance were very bad, Introducing iron cook pots was a total revolution , warm blankets were great! flax is poor in comparison & only chiefly folk got feather & skin garments,Potatoes, fruit trees, grain , knives, axes THEN GUNS & CANNON , also keep ion mind SLAVERY cannabalism , & wacky (by todays standards) superstition Remember too that at treaty time there were @900 whites in the country , the colonisation started later as people who were having an awful life in europe found out about NZ .... THEN many unfair things took place . remember too that alcohol came ! this is the actual situation of that time .Now (at last) much has improved & with education maori can do as well (or better) than any one . 1840 was a different time people were press ganged into ships, farmland in england had gone from peasant to tenure (bad times) railways bwerte JUST starting,most nations had slaves BRITIAN STOPPED THAT! first! I will happily join you in celebration of the good things of Maori tribal custom BUT NOT recreate some strange step back in time , lets focus on good stuff TODAY
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede any claim and give up and die as an original society - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of almost totally European people fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'A History Of New Zealand Anthropology In The 19th Century' - H D Skinner
You lack knowledge of our history. Your Esau /Edomite ideology to what is truth is way off. Hei aha...each has there own understanding to what is TRUTH. We have not ceded our Sovereignty. A Pugger ya (pakeha)😂 Tellimg us our history. Read the bible yous claim as yours to what was...is...and yet to come. Only the devil confuses many. Wakey wakey
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They seem to believe that the Treaty defines a conditional existence for NZ Europeans in their own country, which is an interpretation that we will never accept.
It does actually. Without it youre just a colonizer overstayer.
We have not ceded.
Those with lack of understanding to our history...
You will be educated very soon
Those that profess themselves to be wise...
Become fools.
DO NOT try tell us our whakapapa and history from a foreigner view.
You pakeha that say we have no Sovereignty...
Ceded... know nothing.
The devil confuses and tell lies.
Ye are of your father...the devil.
Kia Tupato Bugger ya
Judgement day nears
Get alone or get gone and stay gone.
Flee back to your fatherland heathen's
This was a great live session...been waiting for the upload to share, ngā mihi!
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Why not get away from the tribal elder system, and get into the modern world?
They are just holding maori back
Very hard for me to understand what you are actually meaning! Many terms you use are strange to me. Ie "walking in the treaty" ? Now the Treaty was arranged at a time @1830+ when Maori as a people m were passing through a HORRIBLE genocide population (1800) dropped to @ 40 60 000 from 120 or100000 . this was a terrible time 500 times worse than germany did to their own JEWS ( I AM ONLY MEANING THE actual german nation not what they did to other nations) The English "governor" was clearly ordered to insist on "sovereignty " or no deal. A whole heap of other things are also needing understanding stone tools are very very poor when against iron, common diseases which Maori had no resistance were very bad, Introducing iron cook pots was a total revolution , warm blankets were great! flax is poor in comparison & only chiefly folk got feather & skin garments,Potatoes, fruit trees, grain , knives, axes THEN GUNS & CANNON , also keep ion mind SLAVERY cannabalism , & wacky (by todays standards) superstition Remember too that at treaty time there were @900 whites in the country , the colonisation started later as people who were having an awful life in europe found out about NZ .... THEN many unfair things took place . remember too that alcohol came ! this is the actual situation of that time .Now (at last) much has improved & with education maori can do as well (or better) than any one . 1840 was a different time people were press ganged into ships, farmland in england had gone from peasant to tenure (bad times) railways bwerte JUST starting,most nations had slaves BRITIAN STOPPED THAT! first! I will happily join you in celebration of the good things of Maori tribal custom BUT NOT recreate some strange step back in time , lets focus on good stuff TODAY
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede any claim and give up and die as an original society - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of almost totally European people fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits.
'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'A History Of New Zealand Anthropology In The 19th Century' - H D Skinner
You lack knowledge of our history.
Your Esau /Edomite ideology to what is truth is way off.
Hei aha...each has there own understanding to what is TRUTH.
We have not ceded our Sovereignty.
A Pugger ya (pakeha)😂
Tellimg us our history.
Read the bible yous claim as yours to what was...is...and yet to come.
Only the devil confuses many.
Wakey wakey
Esau/Edomite telling our history.
What a joke.
We have NOT ceded our Sovereignty
Truth
You are of your father.
The devil
Edomite history
Tino Rangatiratanga
Not ceded