My theory is that the mind flayer will take the form of the thessalhydra, since that's been hinted it at since season 1. I think Will is going to use his newly developed powers to shape Upside Down particles into a dragon to then fight the thessalhydra. I just have a feeling that Will's main enemy will be the mind flayer, while Eleven deals with Vecna.
In D&D lore, Vecna wears armour, loses his left eye and left hand. I think that's a possibility he'll come back scarred but healed, and I think during a battle he'll lose his eye and hand. In the play, it's explained that when they spend enough time in dimension X, their blood changes. And they've made clear effort to show the mindflayer is the big bad. The play, the game, and a little in the show. I hope that's explained for Vecna and Will. But I think the mindflayer is Wills, and Vecna is Elevens
My theory is that Vecna will obtain (or he already has) power to time travel. And when Vecna will start to lose because of Will. He will come back in time to the day of Will Byers disappearance to abduct him. I think so because in the 1st episode in the scene when Will is abducted there is the sound of grandfather clock and the "Demogorgon" has one hand longer then the other and the "Demogorgon" uses some sort of telekinesis to unlock the door.
Yeah, first they showed how we'll be seeing 1987, but then they showed stuff from after that year. So I too wonder how they're going to stretch things out. I mean, I can impinge the final episode's epilogue taking place in 1989 since that would be when the characters graduate high school. But still, I am curious on the rest of the season.
I notice that before Brenner died(still not convinced); he & Vecna walked the same way. I have few theories, one is I believe Vena is 11 ‘s Father and perhaps maybe Brenner is somehow related to Henry or Some other character like Ted, who has been useless literally, except for his typical dad complaints. Also, Henry’s mother was a part of MK Ultra, Who is her uncle who died and left her a fortune or was it a payment for silence. Karen has always “appeared” not to rattled about the kids’ having unknown guests in the house cuz she never confronted the kids about it after. Also she kept telling Mike & Nancy, and stressed “You can TALK to me. Maybe she knows something about the studies and won’t say anything cuz she doesn’t want to be involved? Can you tell I’m bored. I love this show so much. Let me know if I’ve said too much!!
Considering the latest S5 leaks of Vecna back in human form in a scene with Holly outside of the Creel House it makes me think that him going back in time is a big part of his plan. In Nancy's vision Vecna said that "I want to show you where I'm going" & then showed her the grandfather clock moving backwards which is possibly hinting at time travel to the past for some reason.
one of the episodes is called "the vanishing of holly wheeler" It wont be back in time because Holly's character looks much older and played by a different actress.
@@naeswrld2882 yeah, but the Creel House is restored to its original form which is during 1959 when they first moved into Hawkins. This suggests that Holly could vanish and be taken back in time by Henry. The teaser showed Holly being Vecna'd in her own room at the Wheelers suggesting that Max & all the others Vecna took are all gone back in time but will still be the same age as the ones they were in during S4, except for Henry who has somehow gone back in age....which could help explain his initial recovery after being hurt in S4's finale. We could see various forms of Henry & other characters in S5 due to time travel. Like that younger version of Max for example. I still personally feel as if somehow Will & Henry Creel are actually the same person with Will only discovering it in S5. If you research the original Montauk project which deals with timetravel, age regression, & soul transference with characters jumping back and forth in time and having their memories erased then it hints at it quite strongly!
These are my theory’s Eleven is like Kas she will join Vecnas side and betray him but vecna gets stronger when he kills and will is still connected to him and the upside down so I think eleven will have to kill him to stop vecna once and for all (I don't think this will happen but it's a theory) My next theory is that vecna will win by killing mike because he's the heart of the party then eleven will not have the strength that she needs to help the party fight vecna so they will loose OR Eleven does the same thing she does to the demogorgon in season 1 but she almost dies and ends up in the hospital with her powers gone forever
I've got a theory which comes all the way back to the first season. Back there, when Mike and his party was talking to their Science teacher about how to travel to the upside down theorically speaking, he told them that If this gate to another dimension really existed, it would swallow them up whole and that's exactly what is about to happen to Hawkins If nothing changes, Hawkins will definitely fall like Vecna said in the fourth season.
This is what I find funny. I started watching stranger things for the first time on April 20th 2024, from season 1 episode 1 all the way through all season and episodes till the last(season 4) in four days April 24th 2024. I'm sure I rewatched everything 2 of 3 times in the following month of May just because of emotional reasons and wanting to understand everything as thoroughly as possible. And what I find funny about fan theories that I find on TH-cam and Instagram is how 40% of what people theories is true with a plot twist to it. What I mean is that I watched videos on TH-cam about past seasons before they had come out just to see how close people's theories were, and they were not to far off.
I like your theory and how Vecna will try to redeem himself after realizing he is being manipulated but what if since he’s being manipulated, the Mind Flayed will know that he is going to betray it and before he can do anything to it he will be absorbed by it or have his powers taken and then the mind flayer will take on a new form like the thessalhydra or something else and that is what Nancy saw in Vecna’s vision and that’s the big monster with all the teeth
People say that 11 sister works for vena and I thought that maybe IF she does that she got into Steve’s robin and Nancy’s mind and made it where they don’t see him because In season 2 she hid her and 11 and her friends from the cops even though they were in plan sight. I don’t know if she really does work for him or if she’s even coming back but if it’s true and she is that may be why he wasn’t there
I like your theory, although it’s hard for me to wrap my mind around Vecina being so generous and humble. And no, I don’t think he is the biggest villain, I think he is being manipulated by the mind flare. I like your ending, and I hope it is like that because that would be perfect. Thank you for your videos, I really look forward to them
Maybe his body is highly mutated by the mind-flayer particles and one arm is turn into a tentacle like the alien from the thing which would be an amazing reference
There's no way that Vecna can teleport. Sure, he can do so when he's in someone's head because it isn't real, but still. His powers are pretty close to Eleven. So if she can't teleport, neither can Vecna. I agree that maybe Vecna made the vines drag him away. I mean, I was originally thinking maybe he made monsters carry him away, but then again he would have ordered them to attack Nancy, Steve, and Robin. So making the vines drag him away makes more sense. Plus there's no way he could have ran. Being shot is one thing like Michael Myers, but he was also set on fire. And Will did say that he can feel he's still hurt. A year after Vol. 2 came out when I decided to rewatch that scene, I finally realized where Vecna probably escaped off to. There's only one place in the Upside Down where I think he could have gone. In case I am right, don't read further for spoilers. Because everyone I have told this too agrees that I'm right because it does seem logical... Vecna used the Upside Down version of the Creel House as the base of his operations since that's where he lived with his family when they moved to Hawkins. There's only one other place in the town where he lived. I think Vecna escaped off to the Upside Down version of Hawkins Lab. And since he used the Creel House's attic for when he does his work, he can use the Rainbow Room at the lab. Just imagine the vines covering the rainbow design in that room. And we can see him battle El in there as a callback to their first fight. But this time, Vecna is going to have a lot of monsters guarding the building to ensure nobody attacks him again. Picture demo-dogs patrolling all over the place like what we saw in the eighth episode of season 2. As for Vecna's ending, I always thought of Vecna just dying as a villain. El killing him off. But then information about The First Shadow came up. And some other VR are game. In those two things, more information about Henry Creel's past was revealed. In that, it was revealed that the Mind Flayer was manipulating him. The Duffer Brothers has incorporated elements of Darth Vader into Vecna. Like when we saw One telling El to join him which was based on Vader telling Luke Skywalker to join him to rule the galaxy. Since El managed to help Billy remember a peaceful moment in his life with his mother which led to him sacrificing himself to her, we might get something like that too. Vader sacrificed himself to kill Palpatine in order to save Luke and everyone else in the galaxy. So it is possible Vecna might sacrifice himself to destroy the Mind Flayer and all the monsters attacking Hawkins since he is connected to everything.
I think 11 will help him go back in time and fix him and convince him that he is not in control of the mind flayer and it was him being controlled by the mind flayer She will restore Henry to his original human form and will rip out his soteria chip like he had in the Hawkins Lab, and will travel with him back to the current present and together with Henry now good and free of the mind control help Jane and Will Byers work together on destroying the mind flayer and permanently seal off the upside down and dimension X they will still keep their powers and will use it for good The trio save the day and Hawkins is rebuilt
Was I the only one that noticed Vecna in the garden outside of the church at the end of Season 4? El looks at him for a few seconds as he notices it may be him.
@Gracie-ef8dk It's around 01:51:00, and it's Eleven. The guy she's looking at is an old man, but at first glance vaguely resembles Vecna... it's just weird she would look at him so long, and he seemed to be the pastor... just was giving Vecna a bit for some reason, but idk.
@RelayTS Hey same person from last time with the leaks i can’t remember if my aunt said it was the first or second episode but season 5 starts off with a bang remember vecna saying he’s been meaning to pay victor a visit well he is violently murdered by vecna and vecna basically ends up finishing the job in the beginning of the season vecnas first victim of the season and the sequence she witnessed were all the inmates held where victor is screeming and yelling as victor rises up in his cell and is dismembered the guards end up rushing in. This leads to a later scene with forensics which was used for casting and ultimately leads to the beginning of the satanic panic arising once again, however the gang sees this as a grave warning of what’s yet to come
Hi I have an leak for you when I was going to an competition in Rome Georgia I was travelling by car in night time we were nearing the creel house and they barricaded the whole area there were massive cranes and stuff and I also heard some screaming in the filming area.
Here’s my season 5 predictions. I believe main characters will die and I have a feeling Jonathan will be one of them. It would add to the love triangle’s conclusion. I don’t know that El will die, because I don’t know if audiences will want to see Hopper mourn the death of another daughter. It can’t be Joyce, because Hopper and her love story needs a happy ending at whatever is left of Enzo’s. On the chopping block are Enzo, Murray (although I’d love to see a future where Murray remains an extended family member to Joyce and Hopper. I could see him becoming like an “uncle” to the kids. I think Noah could definitely sacrifice himself for the gang’s survival. But if that’s the case, then Jonathan cannot die. I don’t believe it will be Steve, because audiences will lose their goddamn minds, plus we can’t see Dustin lose another best adult friend. No way, no how. Nancy I could definitely see dying, forcing Jonathan and Steve to develop an even tighter bong in their future. Robin could die, but sadly I don’t know how much of an impact that would create. And that’s it. I can’t see anyone else being killed off. 🤷🏽♂️
i hope at the end of stranger things that the Mind Flayer actually wins, because we all know in real life No one ever could win against someone like vecna or the mind flayer, specially a bunch of young teen kids LoL, regardless i still love the heck out of The Stranger Things universe
My theory is that the mind flayer will take the form of the thessalhydra, since that's been hinted it at since season 1. I think Will is going to use his newly developed powers to shape Upside Down particles into a dragon to then fight the thessalhydra. I just have a feeling that Will's main enemy will be the mind flayer, while Eleven deals with Vecna.
Or max
its a good one but i feel like its a bit too far fetched😭
Are you referring to the three-headed dragon in wills painting?
@@escapethelab011 Back in season 1 when the boys were playing D&D they were fighting the thessalhydra.
i would however not want eleven to defeat vecna as its too cliched. id rather he was dealt with some other way
In D&D lore, Vecna wears armour, loses his left eye and left hand. I think that's a possibility he'll come back scarred but healed, and I think during a battle he'll lose his eye and hand. In the play, it's explained that when they spend enough time in dimension X, their blood changes.
And they've made clear effort to show the mindflayer is the big bad. The play, the game, and a little in the show. I hope that's explained for Vecna and Will.
But I think the mindflayer is Wills, and Vecna is Elevens
My theory is that Vecna will obtain (or he already has) power to time travel. And when Vecna will start to lose because of Will. He will come back in time to the day of Will Byers disappearance to abduct him. I think so because in the 1st episode in the scene when Will is abducted there is the sound of grandfather clock and the "Demogorgon" has one hand longer then the other and the "Demogorgon" uses some sort of telekinesis to unlock the door.
The demogorgan also abducted him rather than ate him
I’ve been confused how there’s a 2 year timeskip when the upside down is literally in Hawkins
sameeeeeeeeee
Yeah, first they showed how we'll be seeing 1987, but then they showed stuff from after that year. So I too wonder how they're going to stretch things out. I mean, I can impinge the final episode's epilogue taking place in 1989 since that would be when the characters graduate high school. But still, I am curious on the rest of the season.
i think it will be like season 4 where the first episode is present hawkins time and the second episode is in the past
I notice that before Brenner died(still not convinced); he & Vecna walked the same way. I have few theories, one is I believe Vena is 11 ‘s Father and perhaps maybe Brenner is somehow related to Henry or Some other character like Ted, who has been useless literally, except for his typical dad complaints. Also, Henry’s mother was a part of MK Ultra, Who is her uncle who died and left her a fortune or was it a payment for silence. Karen has always “appeared” not to rattled about the kids’ having unknown guests in the house cuz she never confronted the kids about it after. Also she kept telling Mike & Nancy, and stressed “You can TALK to me. Maybe she knows something about the studies and won’t say anything cuz she doesn’t want to be involved?
Can you tell I’m bored. I love this show so much. Let me know if I’ve said too much!!
Considering the latest S5 leaks of Vecna back in human form in a scene with Holly outside of the Creel House it makes me think that him going back in time is a big part of his plan.
In Nancy's vision Vecna said that "I want to show you where I'm going" & then showed her the grandfather clock moving backwards which is possibly hinting at time travel to the past for some reason.
one of the episodes is called "the vanishing of holly wheeler" It wont be back in time because Holly's character looks much older and played by a different actress.
@@naeswrld2882 yeah, but the Creel House is restored to its original form which is during 1959 when they first moved into Hawkins. This suggests that Holly could vanish and be taken back in time by Henry.
The teaser showed Holly being Vecna'd in her own room at the Wheelers suggesting that Max & all the others Vecna took are all gone back in time but will still be the same age as the ones they were in during S4, except for Henry who has somehow gone back in age....which could help explain his initial recovery after being hurt in S4's finale.
We could see various forms of Henry & other characters in S5 due to time travel. Like that younger version of Max for example.
I still personally feel as if somehow Will & Henry Creel are actually the same person with Will only discovering it in S5. If you research the original Montauk project which deals with timetravel, age regression, & soul transference with characters jumping back and forth in time and having their memories erased then it hints at it quite strongly!
Waiting for this …
These are my theory’s
Eleven is like Kas she will join Vecnas side and betray him but vecna gets stronger when he kills and will is still connected to him and the upside down so I think eleven will have to kill him to stop vecna once and for all
(I don't
think this will happen but it's a theory) My next theory is that vecna will win by killing mike because he's the heart of the party then eleven will not have the strength that she needs to help the party fight vecna so they will loose
OR Eleven does the same thing she does to the demogorgon in season 1 but she almost dies and ends up in the hospital with her
powers gone forever
I've got a theory which comes all the way back to the first season. Back there, when Mike and his party was talking to their Science teacher about how to travel to the upside down theorically speaking, he told them that If this gate to another dimension really existed, it would swallow them up whole and that's exactly what is about to happen to Hawkins If nothing changes, Hawkins will definitely fall like Vecna said in the fourth season.
This is what I find funny. I started watching stranger things for the first time on April 20th 2024, from season 1 episode 1 all the way through all season and episodes till the last(season 4) in four days April 24th 2024. I'm sure I rewatched everything 2 of 3 times in the following month of May just because of emotional reasons and wanting to understand everything as thoroughly as possible. And what I find funny about fan theories that I find on TH-cam and Instagram is how 40% of what people theories is true with a plot twist to it. What I mean is that I watched videos on TH-cam about past seasons before they had come out just to see how close people's theories were, and they were not to far off.
I like your theory and how Vecna will try to redeem himself after realizing he is being manipulated but what if since he’s being manipulated, the Mind Flayed will know that he is going to betray it and before he can do anything to it he will be absorbed by it or have his powers taken and then the mind flayer will take on a new form like the thessalhydra or something else and that is what Nancy saw in Vecna’s vision and that’s the big monster with all the teeth
very very amazing theorys relay love to hear your theorys makes alot of sense keep up the good work
Thanks alot for giving major first shadow spoilers
Hi love, you're videos 👋 ❤❤❤
how did u comment before he posted the video?
love your vids 🥰
Can't wait
In the new VR game Henry is the one infant controlling the mind flayer...not the other way round
just know this is boutta slap after this 12 hour shift
People say that 11 sister works for vena and I thought that maybe IF she does that she got into Steve’s robin and Nancy’s mind and made it where they don’t see him because In season 2 she hid her and 11 and her friends from the cops even though they were in plan sight. I don’t know if she really does work for him or if she’s even coming back but if it’s true and she is that may be why he wasn’t there
I like your theory, although it’s hard for me to wrap my mind around Vecina being so generous and humble. And no, I don’t think he is the biggest villain, I think he is being manipulated by the mind flare. I like your ending, and I hope it is like that because that would be perfect. Thank you for your videos, I really look forward to them
Maybe his body is highly mutated by the mind-flayer particles and one arm is turn into a tentacle like the alien from the thing which would be an amazing reference
There's no way that Vecna can teleport. Sure, he can do so when he's in someone's head because it isn't real, but still. His powers are pretty close to Eleven. So if she can't teleport, neither can Vecna. I agree that maybe Vecna made the vines drag him away. I mean, I was originally thinking maybe he made monsters carry him away, but then again he would have ordered them to attack Nancy, Steve, and Robin. So making the vines drag him away makes more sense. Plus there's no way he could have ran. Being shot is one thing like Michael Myers, but he was also set on fire. And Will did say that he can feel he's still hurt. A year after Vol. 2 came out when I decided to rewatch that scene, I finally realized where Vecna probably escaped off to. There's only one place in the Upside Down where I think he could have gone. In case I am right, don't read further for spoilers. Because everyone I have told this too agrees that I'm right because it does seem logical...
Vecna used the Upside Down version of the Creel House as the base of his operations since that's where he lived with his family when they moved to Hawkins. There's only one other place in the town where he lived. I think Vecna escaped off to the Upside Down version of Hawkins Lab. And since he used the Creel House's attic for when he does his work, he can use the Rainbow Room at the lab. Just imagine the vines covering the rainbow design in that room. And we can see him battle El in there as a callback to their first fight. But this time, Vecna is going to have a lot of monsters guarding the building to ensure nobody attacks him again. Picture demo-dogs patrolling all over the place like what we saw in the eighth episode of season 2.
As for Vecna's ending, I always thought of Vecna just dying as a villain. El killing him off. But then information about The First Shadow came up. And some other VR are game. In those two things, more information about Henry Creel's past was revealed. In that, it was revealed that the Mind Flayer was manipulating him. The Duffer Brothers has incorporated elements of Darth Vader into Vecna. Like when we saw One telling El to join him which was based on Vader telling Luke Skywalker to join him to rule the galaxy. Since El managed to help Billy remember a peaceful moment in his life with his mother which led to him sacrificing himself to her, we might get something like that too. Vader sacrificed himself to kill Palpatine in order to save Luke and everyone else in the galaxy. So it is possible Vecna might sacrifice himself to destroy the Mind Flayer and all the monsters attacking Hawkins since he is connected to everything.
I think 11 will help him go back in time and fix him and convince him that he is not in control of the mind flayer and it was him being controlled by the mind flayer
She will restore Henry to his original human form and will rip out his soteria chip like he had in the Hawkins Lab, and will travel with him back to the current present and together with Henry now good and free of the mind control help Jane and Will Byers work together on destroying the mind flayer and permanently seal off the upside down and dimension X they will still keep their powers and will use it for good
The trio save the day and Hawkins is rebuilt
That's good theory!
Was I the only one that noticed Vecna in the garden outside of the church at the end of Season 4? El looks at him for a few seconds as he notices it may be him.
Wait I went back in the last episode at the part with the church and I didn’t see anything? Was it then or a different part?
@Gracie-ef8dk It's around 01:51:00, and it's Eleven. The guy she's looking at is an old man, but at first glance vaguely resembles Vecna... it's just weird she would look at him so long, and he seemed to be the pastor... just was giving Vecna a bit for some reason, but idk.
What if Max wakes up but is in a state of mind like Terry ives
Well you forgot that Verma can regenerate his body
I think he’s gonna have a dance party with Dustin and nancy
@RelayTS Hey same person from last time with the leaks i can’t remember if my aunt said it was the first or second episode but season 5 starts off with a bang remember vecna saying he’s been meaning to pay victor a visit well he is violently murdered by vecna and vecna basically ends up finishing the job in the beginning of the season vecnas first victim of the season and the sequence she witnessed were all the inmates held where victor is screeming and yelling as victor rises up in his cell and is dismembered the guards end up rushing in. This leads to a later scene with forensics which was used for casting and ultimately leads to the beginning of the satanic panic arising once again, however the gang sees this as a grave warning of what’s yet to come
Agreed 🎉
Hi I have an leak for you when I was going to an competition in Rome Georgia I was travelling by car in night time we were nearing the creel house and they barricaded the whole area there were massive cranes and stuff and I also heard some screaming in the filming area.
Think i heard they changed the rating to tv ma which i find it hard to believe
The stage play doesn't follow the story we have seen. Henry was a little kid when he went to the lab bro, not a teenager. soo. IDK
I hope Mike is safe in season 5
Don’t expect anybody to be safe in the final season
I hope so too
@@brysonfreeman7226 OP said "hope" not "expect"
Here’s my season 5 predictions. I believe main characters will die and I have a feeling Jonathan will be one of them. It would add to the love triangle’s conclusion. I don’t know that El will die, because I don’t know if audiences will want to see Hopper mourn the death of another daughter. It can’t be Joyce, because Hopper and her love story needs a happy ending at whatever is left of Enzo’s. On the chopping block are Enzo, Murray (although I’d love to see a future where Murray remains an extended family member to Joyce and Hopper. I could see him becoming like an “uncle” to the kids. I think Noah could definitely sacrifice himself for the gang’s survival. But if that’s the case, then Jonathan cannot die. I don’t believe it will be Steve, because audiences will lose their goddamn minds, plus we can’t see Dustin lose another best adult friend. No way, no how. Nancy I could definitely see dying, forcing Jonathan and Steve to develop an even tighter bong in their future. Robin could die, but sadly I don’t know how much of an impact that would create. And that’s it. I can’t see anyone else being killed off. 🤷🏽♂️
Max isn’t gonna convince nun 💀 he’s not being controlled by the mind flayer💀 and plus if he was so would eleven 💀
What I am sure of is that he will kill 2 or 3 important characters
Hi I am a big fan I love your videos 🙂🙃🙂
I’m so curious to see 8 aka eleven’s sister she has to come back she’s powerful too
Love from 🇮🇳
i hope at the end of stranger things that the Mind Flayer actually wins, because we all know in real life No one ever could win against someone like vecna or the mind flayer, specially a bunch of young teen kids LoL, regardless i still love the heck out of The Stranger Things universe
What are you talking about
Can you please give a warning before giving spoilers for Stranger Things Stafe show
He’s not giving spoilers dingus, just theories. If you don’t want to hear theories don’t watch.
@@letsmakepancakes3 I said STAGE show. There is no need to be rude.
This man overuses the word “literally”, literally, over 20 times🤦🏻♂️
I will fix this!
@@RelayTS literally?