1:07:20 - The infamous Mars bar moment from David Dimbleby here. I remember my parents talking about this. The man needed some energy to stay up all night bringing the British viewer the news of a third Thatcher term.
That was the year when the Tories won Walthamstow wasn’t it? It was the start of the Loadsa money era when Yuppies were gentrifying working class parts of London, because they couldn’t afford the wealthy bits.
Talk of the London result seems like a different universe in an era when London is like a fortress of red for Labour and even Kensington and Westminster are winnable for them.
The Tory share of the vote in 1987 was 42.3 per cent and a 102 seat overall seat lead. In 2017 the Tory share of the vote was 42.4 per cent and they were about 60 seats lower. The Labour vote in 1987 was 30.8 per cent, but 40 per cent in 2017.
Therein lie various factors, turnout and parties in play chief among them. In 2001, there was one of the lowest turnouts in half a century, yet Labour won by a landslide. As for parties in play, the 1980s had fewer parties represented in the Commons (Conservative, Labour, Liberals and SDP, plus a tiny handful between them of Welsh and Scottish nationals) whereas by 2019 there were more, and most tellingly of all the Scottish National Party held the majority of Scottish seats, making it harder for the older parties to net the kind of numbers they had previously enjoyed as part of substantial majorities. (One thing to note is that whilst the Conservatives do not need many Scottish seats for an overall majority, Labour does.)
I cracked up when they revealed that the prize twat Bernie Grant's middle names were Alexander Montgomery! Two Generals of the Western Desert in WW2 for any who are wondering why I find this funny & ironic.
@@ciaranmarsh255 We must disagree Sir. I am old enough to remember PC Keith Blakelock being literally hacked to pieces during The Broadwater Farm riots in 1985 & Grant's response to his murder.
No irony about it. The Caribbean islands were loyal members of the alliance against Hitler in WW2, with eg many coming over from the islands to support the RAF. It was quite natural to name their children after war heroes - hence also so many West Indian boys called Winston. Presumably Bernie Grant's parents were of that generation.
I haven’t gotten that far yet, and I’m an outsider (American) but I think in general that journalists covering any election race in general like a close race, which (in general) are likely to keep a larger audience watching. Landslide elections can be boring for those covering them.
@@johncronin9540 what I mean is that they cut away from him as he was saying something that was going to offend a lot of people in the South of England. Thus showing their bias in his favor-----they didn't want to let him harm himself.
Dinbleby wrongly kept saying Thatcher was the first 3 time winner since the 1832, reformed parliamentary history, or 1827, when the last PM to have a longer govt than hers was in office, Lord Liverpool. Wrong. Palmerston was a 3 time winner in 1865. He died within a few months of the election, never got to serve out his win, but he still won it: 1857, 1859, 1865, 3 in a row.
no, he wasn't pm continuously in that period. and the liberal party was divided into palmerston and russell factions so his faction didn't actually win in 1857 (which is why he was out in a few months, later in 1858)
@@rightwing Googling the 1857 election, every source says he won it. As did the book of PMs I learned it from in the pre-web era. Whether they see it as won for one party or for the alliance that became the Liberals. Palmerston was the defending PM and leader. If, which I can't find anywhere, Russell had a split off faction that if counted as a party made it a hung partl, then so long as the alliance behind Palmerston was bigger, he won the election. I never said he was in office continuously. That's immaterial, coz his year out of office did not break his run of election wis. In Victorian times, when cabinets were of rich men not so career minded and fell apart more easily on issues splitting their party's opinion. Tied to which, it was the practice that govts who lost votes key to their policy or dividing their parties, would actually resign, and the opposite party would form a minority govt for as long as it could last until it lost such a vote too. This was what happened to Palmerston in his year out in 1858-9
The north-south divide started in the late-1950s, and progressed through the 60s & 70s. Thatcher didn’t cause it. The FPTP system has further entrenched this trend over the years.
@@andrewrobinson8305 there isn’t a north south divide, it’s an urban, suburban and rural divide and a demographics divide. North Yorkshire and Somerset have barely any electoral differences between them.
@@wessexfox5197 I don’t disagree with you. Although there is to some extent a north/south divide, it’s massively skewed by the Labour Party dominance in Liverpool & Manchester. The main dividing lines are, as you say, urban/rural and young/old.
Something did happen to it - but the Tories did it. Lawson let the economy overheat with the result being the huge bust that came a couple of years later, perhaps most remembered because so many people had their homes repossessed.
1:07:20 - The infamous Mars bar moment from David Dimbleby here. I remember my parents talking about this. The man needed some energy to stay up all night bringing the British viewer the news of a third Thatcher term.
John Prescott absolutely livid that he wasn't offered a Mars bar!
One of the few perils of live television in the small hours of the morning.
Ken Clarke described as a "rising star" of the Conservative Party
And he was. He went on to become Chancellor
1:30:20 I never knew buckethead was around for that long.. 😂
He stood in 1983 too
In the days when the SNP was clearly a nationalist party, till they felt it was a great idea to steal labour's clothes
1:26:18 Roy Jenkins loses to a very young George Galloway. Hard to Imagion that he was a labour man
The hustings involving those two must have been interesting.
They both were.
And a shit !
That was the year when the Tories won Walthamstow wasn’t it? It was the start of the Loadsa money era when Yuppies were gentrifying working class parts of London, because they couldn’t afford the wealthy bits.
Talk of the London result seems like a different universe in an era when London is like a fortress of red for Labour and even Kensington and Westminster are winnable for them.
It turns out people in cities tend not to be cunts
Hi, Thank you so much for uploading these. One question ... where has part 3 gone ?
1:47:40 Roy Jenkins bombed ........
The Tory share of the vote in 1987 was 42.3 per cent and a 102 seat overall seat lead. In 2017 the Tory share of the vote was 42.4 per cent and they were about 60 seats lower. The Labour vote in 1987 was 30.8 per cent, but 40 per cent in 2017.
Therein lie various factors, turnout and parties in play chief among them. In 2001, there was one of the lowest turnouts in half a century, yet Labour won by a landslide. As for parties in play, the 1980s had fewer parties represented in the Commons (Conservative, Labour, Liberals and SDP, plus a tiny handful between them of Welsh and Scottish nationals) whereas by 2019 there were more, and most tellingly of all the Scottish National Party held the majority of Scottish seats, making it harder for the older parties to net the kind of numbers they had previously enjoyed as part of substantial majorities. (One thing to note is that whilst the Conservatives do not need many Scottish seats for an overall majority, Labour does.)
Diff is they had a plp tory leader in 87 and a unpopular lab leader in 17!
Where's the part 3, needing that desperately...
Any chance you could post part 3 please?
I cracked up when they revealed that the prize twat Bernie Grant's middle names were Alexander Montgomery! Two Generals of the Western Desert in WW2 for any who are wondering why I find this funny & ironic.
Grant wasn’t a twat.
@@ciaranmarsh255 We must disagree Sir. I am old enough to remember PC Keith Blakelock being literally hacked to pieces during The Broadwater Farm riots in 1985 & Grant's response to his murder.
@@ciaranmarsh255Well he certainly gave a very good impression of being so.
No irony about it. The Caribbean islands were loyal members of the alliance against Hitler in WW2, with eg many coming over from the islands to support the RAF. It was quite natural to name their children after war heroes - hence also so many West Indian boys called Winston. Presumably Bernie Grant's parents were of that generation.
25 minutes in Conservative prediction of majority now up back to 74 seats
51:06 Antony King once again makes the bleeding obvious sound profound
Any chance of part 3?
All the poll results are coming in fast now!
where's part 3
Denis Healey says that at every election and the interviewer was right and he was wrong!
His eyebrows got a permanent........................
He was never very good with figures.
1:07:20 lmao
At an hour in the Conservative majority now predicted at 94 seats only 8 seats less than the final result
Ynys Mon... that is a very welsh town... and i notice the returning officer was talking in Welsh first & then in English. Just like their road signs.
Not a town. The island of Anglesey, in English.
1:07:20 poor old David Dimbleby!
So what he was eating a Mars bar... they are very tastey.
Where is part 3?
Projected majority 26 actual Majority 102.😂😂😂😂😂
John Prescott, back all that time ago, he was still talking shite!
***** Yeh, and tried to make fun of people who pointed out his failings....which means he looks down on us.
He’s never talked shite
6:20 he looks like an undertaker...........................
Those nasty damn hecklers at Mrs Thatcher’s count. SHUT UP!!
You too.
@@Omnicient.Nope, I said it first. You’re always responding 3 years late. Shut the fuck up.
Where's the rest :(
Please come back to TH-cam plox
1:09:27 and forward--notice the timing of when the BBC cuts Blunkett off. Classic illustration of pro-Labour bias.
I haven’t gotten that far yet, and I’m an outsider (American) but I think in general that journalists covering any election race in general like a close race, which (in general) are likely to keep a larger audience watching. Landslide elections can be boring for those covering them.
@@johncronin9540 what I mean is that they cut away from him as he was saying something that was going to offend a lot of people in the South of England. Thus showing their bias in his favor-----they didn't want to let him harm himself.
59:14 he really wanted to say
Urgh. Galloway
1.25 Conservative majority prediction drops a bit to 52
Dinbleby wrongly kept saying Thatcher was the first 3 time winner since the 1832, reformed parliamentary history, or 1827, when the last PM to have a longer govt than hers was in office, Lord Liverpool. Wrong. Palmerston was a 3 time winner in 1865. He died within a few months of the election, never got to serve out his win, but he still won it: 1857, 1859, 1865, 3 in a row.
Was he England's greatest Prime Minister though?
no, he wasn't pm continuously in that period. and the liberal party was divided into palmerston and russell factions so his faction didn't actually win in 1857 (which is why he was out in a few months, later in 1858)
@@rightwing Googling the 1857 election, every source says he won it. As did the book of PMs I learned it from in the pre-web era. Whether they see it as won for one party or for the alliance that became the Liberals. Palmerston was the defending PM and leader.
If, which I can't find anywhere, Russell had a split off faction that if counted as a party made it a hung partl, then so long as the alliance behind Palmerston was bigger, he won the election.
I never said he was in office continuously. That's immaterial, coz his year out of office did not break his run of election wis. In Victorian times, when cabinets were of rich men not so career minded and fell apart more easily on issues splitting their party's opinion. Tied to which, it was the practice that govts who lost votes key to their policy or dividing their parties, would actually resign, and the opposite party would form a minority govt for as long as it could last until it lost such a vote too. This was what happened to Palmerston in his year out in 1858-9
@@Black-White85 there's no such thing. All these things rely on matter of opinion.
She was the only one to do it in the 1900's.
59:11
Top trolling by cutting away from Heath go to Maggies count! lol
+mooncatklubba Roy Jenkins elected Chancellor of Oxford Uni beating Ted Heath!
Say what you like about Woy jenkins, at least you could trust your children with him..
They had to do that because a giant queen ant was standing behind him and they didn't want the public to see it.. 🐜🐜🐜🐜👸👸🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃
Good graphics for the time, no stupid 3 CD graphics or Jeremy Vine!!
Was a very depressing time !!
27.03. I want Vincent to say Dunny-on-the-Wold (Blackadder 3)
S Baldrick, the Prime Minister we all need. A rotten PM for a rotten country.
The North-South divide being established electorally here
The north-south divide started in the late-1950s, and progressed through the 60s & 70s.
Thatcher didn’t cause it.
The FPTP system has further entrenched this trend over the years.
Not necessarily. Thatcher did well in the North West. Her famous quote. “We have won the Burys.” Is sometimes mentioned.
@@andrewrobinson8305 there isn’t a north south divide, it’s an urban, suburban and rural divide and a demographics divide. North Yorkshire and Somerset have barely any electoral differences between them.
@@wessexfox5197 I don’t disagree with you. Although there is to some extent a north/south divide, it’s massively skewed by the Labour Party dominance in Liverpool & Manchester.
The main dividing lines are, as you say, urban/rural and young/old.
Stupid comments from David Blunkett at 14 minutes
Stupid comments from David Blunkett every 14 minutes...
Stupid comments from David Blunkett every 14 minutes...
kinnock: "nice lil economic recovery you got there, shame if something happened to it..."😆
Something did happen to it - but the Tories did it. Lawson let the economy overheat with the result being the huge bust that came a couple of years later, perhaps most remembered because so many people had their homes repossessed.
John Prescott talking rubbish as normal
He’s never talked rubbish
@@ciaranmarsh255 All he’s ever talked is rubbish. You should’ve seen his disastrous performance on top gear 😂
Oh Maggie, Britain really could do with you now
The Liberal Democrats finaly got there hung parliament and went with the Conservatives
Labour and he Liberal Democrats did not have more than half the seats between them in 2010! The Lib Dems therefore put the Tories in.
@@richardhussey3330 However, the LibDems would pay a great political price for helping the Conservatives five yrs later in 2015.
They would go with Labour next time
Where is part 3?