I just got the K2700. I have more than three decades of HW/SW synth programing experience, but VAST is like an alien language to me! And there's not a lot of videos out there explaining it. Your video is greatly appreciated. It also makes me want to move to Poland.
It is different, maybe because Kurzweil started as an inventor and designer of voice synthesizers for visualy impared people (reading machines) - then moved to music industry with K250, first ever convincing-sounding electronic piano / sampler :)
MY FRIEND !!! FINALLY A GOOD VIDEO EXPLANING HOW TO MODIFY THE SONGS !!!!! PLEASE, KEEP GOING WITH THESE VIDEOS !!! PLEASE !!! You helped me a LOT !!!!! I have a K2600, and I have NO IDEA how it works !!!! The videos on youtube do not show how to program them.... THANK YOU !!! Your VIDEO IS ALSO !!! Gabriel from BRAZIL !!!
Thank you Gabriel! Your support me a lot!!! Could you please help me decide one important thing about my channel? If I produce videos in Polish with english subtitles - like this one: th-cam.com/video/eXhdJF83d-E/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RobertGogol Will it be OK for you? English is kind of struggle for me, I would prefer speak in polish and add english subtitles. What do you think? Thank you again!
@@robertgogol289 I do not speak english very well... BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU SAY !!! That´s good, becouse, you speak slowlly and using simple words !!! For me the way you speak is clean and easy to understand.... Anyway, I will check your video out after work to see if I can understand... kkkk.... Again, THANK YOU A LOT !!! I think, speaking english you can hit largeer number of people who´re trying to find good information about kurzweil keyboards... PLEASE KEEP GOING !!! My Facebook is: GABRIEL MANECHINE ROCHA, And STAGRAM: GABRIEL MANECHINE
Just discovered your Kurzweil vids. Really enjoying them! Kurzweils are incredible. I've been using them since I got my K2000S in the 90s. I've had the K2000S, K2VX, K2500RS + KDFX, and 2 K2600rs units. Looking at the K2700 or a PC4 at some point, hopefully.
I own the K2000 since it came out, and also purchased the Kurzweil PC4. I have not created sounds for them myself as it was too hard. Your videos will help me to start using my beautiful gear. Thank you!
Thx for adding content and sharing your knowledge. I'm VAST fan as well... I remember when I saw K2500 ads back in mid 90's my reaction was that: _Oh man, that's the ultimate dream sampler!_ It took 22 years to get one, but now I have it! I found one with decent price few years ago as it had worn out microswitches under the buttons and some dust in key contacts. I got it fixed and been using it since. Learning curve definitely is steep like many say. I had long experience from other brands like Ensoniq and Yamaha but Kurzweil... made me felt pretty frustrated. Logic how everything was implemented was SO different to what I was used to. But I'm getting there! I got some interesting sounds out of it right away (by mapping parameters of _SHAPER_ and _WRAP_ to ENV's and such) but difficulties came from ordinary boring tasks like how to save and open project so that all settings are for sure just like they were. That need became soon apparent bc. I lost my creations with it continuously at the beginning. It was making mistake after mistakeafter mistakeafter mistake, watching all tutorials from the YT and reading manual together with trying out every damn feature with google in other hand and manual in the other. :D Anyhow, this thing keeps surprising. Depth that one can dive into it is something otherworldly. VAST algorithms look like simple boring features at first but it's just impression before starting to internalize it's synthesis possibilities. I find it hard to describe VAST synthesis to anyone, if I would need to. Seems like it has bits and pieces from several methods but without fully committing to any of those, like others have dedicated machines purely to FM (Yamaha) or PM / PD / iPD (Casio) and then giving it end polish by filters that can somewhat emulate how they function in analog synths. Having all those sound shaping options available for both samples and DSP formed waveforms is huge thing. And the fact that K2000 had DSP waveforms and resonating filters makes me concider it as first VA synth as well. Too bad that all sound shaping tools can not be chosen and used completely freely. There is those preselected sets of blocks that are possible to be switched to different ones, and there is limitations with the algorithms. Although it's still mindblowingly huge thing to gasp. They fixed those limitations about how to combine different kind of DSP blocks from K2600 forward. Cascade mode. Newer models seem to be gone further but are so expensive that are practically out of my reach. I don't mind as long as this K2500 works. My future plan about upgrading could be that some day I'll get that recently announced K2700 when they are cheap enough in 2nd hand markets. Before that happens (if ever), there's still lots of unknown territory in _K2500 VAST land_ to learn. I'm probably watching all VAST tutorials in the future as well, keep em coming!
Like for example at first it seems easy to learn about FUN's and switch between _functions,_ all those mathemagical equations there... but it is whole different ball game to internalize how they operate and then remember and be aware of it all when editing sounds. It goes out of hand easily, esp. with multilayer programs! Mission impossible to a human being, IMHO. I think I'll just go with "try & error" method what comes to _functions._ Surely it does matter what to modulate with them, it doesn't have to be anything drastic. FUN's are great for adding complex variety to some parameters... and then explore with em to find out how crazy it could get. But they are also great for solving common problem: all favourite modulators are already in use and sound needs more. What to do? As FUN's are combinations of two sources which are mixed together by those formulas... 4 FUN's can be organised so that those give 4 more sources that use those common modulators, but allows making that needed difference by modifying those modifiers with suitable function. Thus it could be useful thing after all to learn and memorize all those function formulas in advance. Opening that manual again from those pages... perhaps printing and taping them to wall in front of me as well. :D I assume that learning those thoroughly comes towards anyways if one is gonna truly learn VAST synthesis inside out. Sorry 'bout the language. My america is a bit corrupted at the moment.
Thank you very much for sharing this. Your comment brings all this YT thing and my commitment into next level. I have the same: 20 years ago no chance to afford superb Kurzweil - but today yes, I can afford those old, visionary, ultimate synthesizers. They are perfectly the same, able and powerfull like 20 years ago. Nothing changed. Humanity didn't develope anything significant after Chowing's Fm synthesis, sampling, VAST, Roland's Vari Phrase engine, Korg's Vector Synthesis, Wavetable etc. Over last 30 years digital instruments just getting more and more cpu power, but principles are the same. Which is great :)
Hi, there are pc and mac editors for K2600 over midi - I've never used them - here is one for mac - coffeeshopped.com/patch-base/editor/kurzweil/k2600 And for sure buttons / encoders can be fixed - even if not replaced, adding 100nF capacitors in parallel can filter bouncing noise and all will work like a new - look at my video about yamaha A5000 - there is a chapter about fixing encoders with caps.
Trafiłem na ten filmik bo szukałem jak w VAST zmienić brzmienie pianina, mam PC3LE8 - i pianino na moje ucho ma jakies głuche brzmienie, nie słychać dobrze "struny" jakby wysokie częstotliwości były przycięte (w brzmieniu Piano Grand). Jakiś hint?
Hej - 65 strona instrukcji (pod tym linkiem - kurzweil.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/PC3LE-Musicians_Guide-V3.pdf) zapnij na sumie efekt jakiegoś equalizera albo filtra i rozjaśnij co trzeba - masz też do tej maszyny dostępny edytor Sound Tower - tym będzie o wiele łatwiej to zrobić - www.soundtower.com/pc3le/index.html - możesz też z poziomu KEYMAP regulować parametr TIMBRE SHIFT - strona 73 helpa - tym nie zmieniasz wysokości bazowej sampli, tylko własnie rozjaśniasz lub ściamniasz dodając lub odejmując harmonicznych - ale edycja keymap oznacza, że musiałbyś edytowac wszystkie keymap w wielowarstwowym brzmieniu, jakim pewnie jest ten fortepian - więc najprościej będzie zrobić to equalizerem zapiętym jako fx na sumie :D
I just got the K2700. I have more than three decades of HW/SW synth programing experience, but VAST is like an alien language to me! And there's not a lot of videos out there explaining it. Your video is greatly appreciated. It also makes me want to move to Poland.
It is different, maybe because Kurzweil started as an inventor and designer of voice synthesizers for visualy impared people (reading machines) - then moved to music industry with K250, first ever convincing-sounding electronic piano / sampler :)
MY FRIEND !!! FINALLY A GOOD VIDEO EXPLANING HOW TO MODIFY THE SONGS !!!!! PLEASE, KEEP GOING WITH THESE VIDEOS !!! PLEASE !!! You helped me a LOT !!!!! I have a K2600, and I have NO IDEA how it works !!!! The videos on youtube do not show how to program them.... THANK YOU !!! Your VIDEO IS ALSO !!! Gabriel from BRAZIL !!!
Thank you Gabriel! Your support me a lot!!!
Could you please help me decide one important thing about my channel?
If I produce videos in Polish with english subtitles - like this one:
th-cam.com/video/eXhdJF83d-E/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=RobertGogol
Will it be OK for you? English is kind of struggle for me, I would prefer speak in polish and add english subtitles. What do you think?
Thank you again!
@@robertgogol289 I do not speak english very well... BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU SAY !!! That´s good, becouse, you speak slowlly and using simple words !!! For me the way you speak is clean and easy to understand.... Anyway, I will check your video out after work to see if I can understand... kkkk.... Again, THANK YOU A LOT !!! I think, speaking english you can hit largeer number of people who´re trying to find good information about kurzweil keyboards... PLEASE KEEP GOING !!! My Facebook is: GABRIEL MANECHINE ROCHA, And STAGRAM: GABRIEL MANECHINE
I like it that you started with a walk in the woods. Also you are brilliant.
Just discovered your Kurzweil vids. Really enjoying them! Kurzweils are incredible. I've been using them since I got my K2000S in the 90s. I've had the K2000S, K2VX, K2500RS + KDFX, and 2 K2600rs units. Looking at the K2700 or a PC4 at some point, hopefully.
Hello :) Thank you :) Congratulations on having such a collection of Kseries!! K2700 - very tempting!
Thank you! Digging into my K2000RS again. This helps me with a few things. #whenvioletsturngrey
I own the K2000 since it came out, and also purchased the Kurzweil PC4.
I have not created sounds for them myself as it was too hard.
Your videos will help me to start using my beautiful gear. Thank you!
Thank you! Have fun - first make sure how to save your patches and where they go within K file numbering ecosystem :)
@@robertgogol289 Yes, every journey starts somewhere, I hope I will find new dreamy sounds along the way.
Thx for adding content and sharing your knowledge. I'm VAST fan as well... I remember when I saw K2500 ads back in mid 90's my reaction was that: _Oh man, that's the ultimate dream sampler!_ It took 22 years to get one, but now I have it! I found one with decent price few years ago as it had worn out microswitches under the buttons and some dust in key contacts. I got it fixed and been using it since.
Learning curve definitely is steep like many say. I had long experience from other brands like Ensoniq and Yamaha but Kurzweil... made me felt pretty frustrated. Logic how everything was implemented was SO different to what I was used to. But I'm getting there!
I got some interesting sounds out of it right away (by mapping parameters of _SHAPER_ and _WRAP_ to ENV's and such) but difficulties came from ordinary boring tasks like how to save and open project so that all settings are for sure just like they were. That need became soon apparent bc. I lost my creations with it continuously at the beginning. It was making mistake after mistakeafter mistakeafter mistake, watching all tutorials from the YT and reading manual together with trying out every damn feature with google in other hand and manual in the other. :D
Anyhow, this thing keeps surprising. Depth that one can dive into it is something otherworldly. VAST algorithms look like simple boring features at first but it's just impression before starting to internalize it's synthesis possibilities.
I find it hard to describe VAST synthesis to anyone, if I would need to. Seems like it has bits and pieces from several methods but without fully committing to any of those, like others have dedicated machines purely to FM (Yamaha) or PM / PD / iPD (Casio) and then giving it end polish by filters that can somewhat emulate how they function in analog synths.
Having all those sound shaping options available for both samples and DSP formed waveforms is huge thing. And the fact that K2000 had DSP waveforms and resonating filters makes me concider it as first VA synth as well.
Too bad that all sound shaping tools can not be chosen and used completely freely. There is those preselected sets of blocks that are possible to be switched to different ones, and there is limitations with the algorithms. Although it's still mindblowingly huge thing to gasp.
They fixed those limitations about how to combine different kind of DSP blocks from K2600 forward. Cascade mode. Newer models seem to be gone further but are so expensive that are practically out of my reach. I don't mind as long as this K2500 works.
My future plan about upgrading could be that some day I'll get that recently announced K2700 when they are cheap enough in 2nd hand markets. Before that happens (if ever), there's still lots of unknown territory in _K2500 VAST land_ to learn.
I'm probably watching all VAST tutorials in the future as well, keep em coming!
Like for example at first it seems easy to learn about FUN's and switch between _functions,_ all those mathemagical equations there... but it is whole different ball game to internalize how they operate and then remember and be aware of it all when editing sounds. It goes out of hand easily, esp. with multilayer programs!
Mission impossible to a human being, IMHO. I think I'll just go with "try & error" method what comes to _functions._
Surely it does matter what to modulate with them, it doesn't have to be anything drastic. FUN's are great for adding complex variety to some parameters... and then explore with em to find out how crazy it could get.
But they are also great for solving common problem: all favourite modulators are already in use and sound needs more. What to do?
As FUN's are combinations of two sources which are mixed together by those formulas... 4 FUN's can be organised so that those give 4 more sources that use those common modulators, but allows making that needed difference by modifying those modifiers with suitable function.
Thus it could be useful thing after all to learn and memorize all those function formulas in advance. Opening that manual again from those pages... perhaps printing and taping them to wall in front of me as well. :D
I assume that learning those thoroughly comes towards anyways if one is gonna truly learn VAST synthesis inside out.
Sorry 'bout the language. My america is a bit corrupted at the moment.
Thank you very much for sharing this. Your comment brings all this YT thing and my commitment into next level. I have the same: 20 years ago no chance to afford superb Kurzweil - but today yes, I can afford those old, visionary, ultimate synthesizers. They are perfectly the same, able and powerfull like 20 years ago. Nothing changed. Humanity didn't develope anything significant after Chowing's Fm synthesis, sampling, VAST, Roland's Vari Phrase engine, Korg's Vector Synthesis, Wavetable etc. Over last 30 years digital instruments just getting more and more cpu power, but principles are the same. Which is great :)
Awesome! Thanks for this.
My pleasure :)
So Good, so FUN !
Yeah, FUN!
I don't have a VAST synth platform, but will definitely explore this in the future. When I do, this will be played a few times, I'm sure.
Thank you.
Thank you :)
kurzweil amazing envelopes since K250
Sam temat super ciekawy. Urzekły mnie jednak przebitki ze spaceru, nadają filmikowi charakteru. Piękne widoki! ;)
Tak :) To ważne aby nos poza studio wystawiać :)
Wasn't there a way to edit it in a PC? My K2600 has some button issues :( I don't know if it can be fixed
Hi, there are pc and mac editors for K2600 over midi - I've never used them - here is one for mac - coffeeshopped.com/patch-base/editor/kurzweil/k2600
And for sure buttons / encoders can be fixed - even if not replaced, adding 100nF capacitors in parallel can filter bouncing noise and all will work like a new - look at my video about yamaha A5000 - there is a chapter about fixing encoders with caps.
Trafiłem na ten filmik bo szukałem jak w VAST zmienić brzmienie pianina, mam PC3LE8 - i pianino na moje ucho ma jakies głuche brzmienie, nie słychać dobrze "struny" jakby wysokie częstotliwości były przycięte (w brzmieniu Piano Grand). Jakiś hint?
Hej - 65 strona instrukcji (pod tym linkiem - kurzweil.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/PC3LE-Musicians_Guide-V3.pdf) zapnij na sumie efekt jakiegoś equalizera albo filtra i rozjaśnij co trzeba - masz też do tej maszyny dostępny edytor Sound Tower - tym będzie o wiele łatwiej to zrobić - www.soundtower.com/pc3le/index.html - możesz też z poziomu KEYMAP regulować parametr TIMBRE SHIFT - strona 73 helpa - tym nie zmieniasz wysokości bazowej sampli, tylko własnie rozjaśniasz lub ściamniasz dodając lub odejmując harmonicznych - ale edycja keymap oznacza, że musiałbyś edytowac wszystkie keymap w wielowarstwowym brzmieniu, jakim pewnie jest ten fortepian - więc najprościej będzie zrobić to equalizerem zapiętym jako fx na sumie :D
is that the k2000 or 2500 rack ?
k2000