The Holy Grail Of Super Mario 64 Has Been Found
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I was waiting until someone got a new WR with this discovery before covering it so I could include it in the vid.
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Nice
Yup
Love your content, thank you as always
should i?
This man has the patience of a Saint, even for Milly Bitchell
I laughed way too hard at the fact that someone is supporting Karl on patreon with the name Billy Mitchell.
Good catch! I hadn't noticed it. I went back to check it and now I am laughing out loud too!
@@CrazyEyes00he's a famous cheater that faked records
@@CrazyEyes00 Karl is being sued by Billy Mitchell
plot twist: thats the actual billy mitchell who subscribed to the patreon to see all of his posts there for the lawsuit
looool that's too good
Billy Mitchell found carpetless back in the 80's. He has a Nintendo plaque showcasing it
😂😂😂
😍😍😍 Billie -eyelash- Mitchell 😍😍😍🫦🫦🫦 the KING of KONG 😍😍😍 my heart will suffer a stoke if he doesn't fulfil my lust for him by issuing me a defamation lawsuit daddy 😍😍😍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
He did it carpetless after he got the idea from his friend todd rogers to start mario in second gear.
I think there's a VHS of it in a box in the video game hall of fame..
Now, you may be thinking to yourself "but SM64 wasn't released until 1996". You just don't understand the GENIUS of the King of Kong!
I really appreciate you showing my carpetless video from 2015! It's a huge testament to the entire SM64 community that they've made it RTA viable, and I feel very fortunate to have played a small piece in that journey.
Thanks for your contribution. Really cool to see stuff like this fall into place after so much effort went into the solution.
Grats man, none of this would have been possible without you!
@@tgsgresh11 none of it? that's an overstatement if i've ever heard one. he got lucky enough in life to be included in that history.... well, the name he chose for the internet is included. 40 years from now, we're not going to see a documentary about this guy and his unfathomable contribution which paved the way for something which nobody else could have done. that is until you see the army of speed runners and programming wizards figuring out all of the information and compiling it together until one of the participants achieved the expectation through collective knowledge. like everything
your sentiment is nice. but holy shit, is it dumb! hyperbole should be avoided when sincerity is your goal.
praise him for his achievement in your eyes, don't just spout shit that sounds nice when it's just not true. i know that we know you mean well, but it's outlandish and poorly thought. sometimes you just need to be quiet. kind of how most people would react to what i've just typed out, thinking i should just be quiet. they're right, but i can't let someone NOT know they're letting themselves down by being absent minded with their actual intentions. say the nice things you feel, don't make silly statements the rest of us have to lie to you about and pretend it's true. it's not. he's one face who among many faces, were attempting these feats. he's a modern day (digital) version of an olympian. many many trials and failures with 3 giants atop the mountain... technically, he would be nothing if not for the armies of speed runners before him. i hope you get the point. stop watching business people on tv, they say shit like that to make idiots feel special. you actually want this guy to feel special so just say it. don't cover it up in nonsense because it sounds cool. otherwise people just tune out.
this goes for all of us. we're only where we are because of the masses before us. to claim anything to belong to any one person, is ludicrous. WE did it. the runners, the viewers, the tireless volunteers and examiners of data and footage to clarify and document the discoveries and possibilities. ignoring the rest because 1 person put a bunch of it together is highly disrespectful. most of what we can and have done as humans, is often given a name but as the understanding improves, so does the name/designation of the thing because it's a collective effort.
i think i've let slip the facade that this statement doesn't bother me.
didnt read but thanks@@swanclipper
@@swanclipperI've never seen someone say so much and mean so little.
Can’t wait for Karl to find the first person to get a carpetless WR by cheating.
Lmao
i wonder if billy would make a guest appearance... yknow i wonder if theres a timeline where hes a world-class TASer...
@@dirtysnakeeyes4346i bet in all alternates hes still a dbag that transcends space-time.
It has been implemented in TAS for many years, although that's not really cheating (unless you pull a Badabun and tell everyone your obviously TAS'd run is RTA).
And day now 😆
Carpetless has gone through such a long journey. From being a meme, to being theoretically possible, to being performed in TAS, to being performed by humans, to finally becoming used in runs
what is real these days huh?
It will be really interesting to see what other repeatable strats emerge from this brute force approach. 1.36 seemed outrageous only 2 years ago, 1.35 proposterous, the stuff of fantasy. I wonder now whether sub 90 minutes might one day be seen.
Carpets are barriers, right?
Barrier skip is real!
@@campbaron i feel sub 90 might be doable but that might be close to TAS as a human can get
@@campbaron with the community still growing 2+ decades later, I'm sure it will happen eventually. It's just a matter of "time" 🙂
Love how scattershot is basically a Black Mirror device applied to the game, forcing several thousands of Marios to spend their existence on nothing but bruteforcing a single climb over and over and over for hundreds of years.
Even better, it doesn't do it with any kind of intelligence, so the vast majority of those marios just mashed their face in a wall or lept to their doom.
And in result of this shift, it brings back more life to SM64 .Thats cool!
He is but a single Mario in an endless Mariocean
This is fucking insane to think about.
@@TlalocTemporal that’s not necessarily true. It’s most likely either a swarm optimization algorithm or a genetic algorithm, which means that the majority follows paths known to be slightly successful
I love how the big break is consistently "hey, let's do the impossible thing that the TAS does." Joking aside, the precision here is incredible and that Scattershot program is insane.
Thats not what the big break was. The method is completely new.
It's wild how things are still being discovered and evolved in this game after almost 30 years
Even speed running has entered the age of A.I. and these tools will find much more incredibly ingenius time saves in the future. Also such time saves that can be pulled off by humans.
@@JackoBanon1Wouldn't classify sheer bruteforce as AI though. It's a thing for years btw. Some ABC strats were found by brute forcing.
@@Gramini You realize AI learning is literally brute-forcing, right?
@@JackoBanon1 Idk, Deep Blue of speedrun routing I guess.
@@i_am_ergoYes, but only to a degree. IIRC the tools used for SM64 are stateless, without a neural network, reinforcement or something, meaning there is no learning part.
As someone who isnt a speedrunner i still love hearing about the people that dedicate time to these feats, scattershot program was super cool as ive never heard of it
Goku would beat them
@@TheRealGod_777I'll wait and see if Goku can get a sub 5 in oot
Speedruns are absolute crap if it's a TAS. I would consider that to be cheating.
@@scorpionwins6378 well yes, if someone submits a TAS as a speedrun then it's cheating, most TASes are done as a showcase of what a run would be like at absolute perfection, human limits be damned
@@scorpionwins6378 Dude a Tool Assisted Speedrun isn't a legitimate speedrun. Nobody argues about that.
I'm SO glad that Puncay was the first one to get the world record with carpetless. The man still deserves respect even if the WR was a bit of a meme.
Oh for sure, I was smiling when I saw that he got the WR. I used to watch him streams back in 2015(?) when he was the undisputed champion of 120 star. Seeing him get the world record using the new carpetless strategy was a pleasant throwback to the past.
He's an old geezer, now.
@@chillstorm2341he can't even feel happiness
This is a good summary for all intents and purposes, but it would be awesome if you had gone a bit more into the details of how the strat was originally discovered, it was a rather interesting story where Frame and Iwer found a new type of GWK to get the strat to be possible.
I'm hoping someone like Bismuth does a technical deep dive on it at some point.
I watched a vid by Simply about a month ago where he covered the strat.
@karljobst yea that would be really cool:) It's an interesting story, sparked by someone who hacked their game
@@karljobst I've been procrastinating on doing just that for over a year by now, explaining these (and all other) glitchy wallkicks in SM64 that is. I'm no Bismuth though so it would hardly have a chance to be as comprehensive, even if I can confidently state that Bismuth's explanation referenced in this video is actually wrong for the glitchy wallkick he is explaining in that instance, and that that expanation would not really be sufficient at all to explain either of the glitchy wallkicks that are now (amazingly) actually being used for carpetless. I wouldn't blame either of you for missing some details there though - Glitchy wallkicks are deceptively complicated, and I even stated myself that the second one used in this strategy should be impossible, only to be proven wrong and then implement it in context for the first time.
Yeah that really seems more like bismuths speed.
If we have learned anything from Karl's videos about absurd and incredible world records, if a strategy is considered "too difficult" it is usually only a matter of time until someone will go ahead and just do it anyway.
Things are only impossible until they aren't
I mean, that's basically been the entire story of SMB1 WRs for a couple years now.
"Its too hard for humans to do anyway"
*Some asian a week later* "How bout I do anyway"
That’s why I said back in 2016-2017ish that carpetless would be required for world records. It’s too much of a time save.
They're not "doing it anyway" cause it's not the same route. Someone found a setup that made the strategy not "too difficult" anymore.
i feel extremely threatened but also humbled in the fact that machine did in 1 hour what would have taken us 100 years
The machine was made to do the tedious menial labor part, so that's consistent with history.
Compare to the Cotton Gin automating the process of separating cotton seeds from cotton fibers, making it do loads and loads of grueling and painstaking labor, and in far less time, so that people could do other things.
What the Scattershot did here was run through cycles until it found some viable theoreticals, but even after that, it took a LOT of VERY talented people a lot of time and experimenting to figure out how to achieve it in reality.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine so basically you're saying that the consequences of the industrial revolution have been a disaster for the human race
@@bandannadoo No, I'm not an autistic sped who thinks he's making a point by blowing up a few cops and mailmen.
Separating cotton seeds from cotton fibers is tedious and time consuming bullshit to do, the invention of the cotton gin means that was one less obnoxious job for people to have to do, meaning they can work a less shitty job and/or have more free time.
On the flip side, someone will always need to maintain a machine, so that'll always be a job. All maintenance will need supplying too, they'll need lubricants, cleaning agents, replacement parts, special tools probably, as well as an education in how to do their job, and that supplying needs its own supplying and its own maintenance.
There'll always be paying jobs for people to do, one way or another, and Artificial Intelligence is actually remarkably stupid and uncreative. AI essentially needs us at all times, it has no gut instinct or sense of judgment, you know, those things which brought us humans all the way at the top of the foodchain over millions of years, and the kind of pattern recognition which machines can engage in is hopelessly primitive next to an evolved biological brain.
Fundamentally, many animals, both out in nature and domesticated ones, have a substantial intellectual advantage over AI just by the virtue of that animal's own gut instinct and pattern recognition.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I like humans and ted
@@mansendwish I like humans too, which is why I like machines which let humans do more work for less time and energy, or machines and tools which would let people do previously impossible or dangerous jobs with safety.
Also machines which exist purely for recreation, for that matter.
Disconnect your internet and go and live in a tent in the woods if you hate civilization so much.
I love how my favorite Australian TH-camrs upload in the middle of the night for me. There's never anything to watch this late. Bless you Karl 🙏
💯 percent agree
australian people are awesome
agreeing from Canada
I like the Aussie folks who make the gourmet marshmellows. And Andy the chef; he's great
SNL weekend update is up. Che and Jost are a hilarious watch.
I’m still sitting here in shock after the twist ending of Billy Mitchell being the 120 star record holder.
Only for Matt Turk to pip him by a single second
@@NickBush24nah Kevin Durden
I absolutely love hearing a runner get so excited they can barely speak or even start crying with joy after they achieve something amazing like you can hear at 16:30
Do you like reality shows?
He needs to calm down. Yeah, it's an awesome achievement ... But he's crying like a child. A bit ridiculous
@@bldontmatter5319it’s called passion
@@dnydeltoro no. He's a loser with no life
@@bldontmatter5319do you have passion
Like how Karl gives other creators exposure and credit
Unlike some with 30+ million subs
It's an excellent show of comradery, due diligence, and giving credit where credit's due.
@@rossihere erm actually its "camaraderie" 🤓
@@anguslazy Noted.
"It's possible?" isn't as much of a motivator/confidence booster as: "IT'S POSSIBLE AND BEEN DONE?!"
Two things I think are worth mentioning:
- Parsee's ability to do carpetless RTA was a bit understated. He did it several times in stage RTAs (it usually took other players a month of grinding to get it once, he was getting it 1/10 of the times or something liek that). So he had a solid chance of actually hitting it in a run, and was determined to do so in order to get a WR, as his gameplay was already borderline WR-capable, with carpetless giving him an edge over others. So I believe his determination to "destroy 120" by doing an unthinkable, excruciating trick that would make other runs rethink life is what drove Krithalith and others to really consider working harder on finding a setup for Carpetless.
- The other thing are the competing methods. The default method, Orthogonal Jones, is faster but riskier, and Dezanig created a setup called Deza Jones to eliminate one of the shaky variables (the Double Jump before wallkicking), which allowed for two out of the 4 WRs that happened with carpetless since the implementation.
Not to mention the "setup dictionaries", listing up all the directions possible to press with pausebuffers that Krithalith made, those were quite interesting and mindboggling, explaining how the trick is achieved by memorizing tiny visual cues might have been interesting to put in perspective how insane it is, despite its consistency.
Parsee deserves mention for sure.
Karl is a beacon of formal analysis and I love every video that he makes
I agree
i agree 100%! i love how thoroughly karl explains everything. you can tell he puts a lot of effort into his videos.
His voice is good to go to sleep to. Him and epicnate are who i use to go to bed.
I thought you said karl was a bacon, and tbh somehow karl being a bacon makes sense.
@shripperquats5872 is a beacon of formal youtube commenting and I love every comment that he makes
Fantastic video! It's hard to give a concise overview of everything related to carpetless as there is just so much history and information, but I think you pulled it off quite nicely :)
Awesome video as always! Carpetless really revolutionized the SM64 community and brought so much life back into the competition. Love to see it.
hey blindfold guy
You're a legend
5 days to go until Billy Mitchell vs Twin Galaxies trial. I hope they livestream it
Krithalith is a genius.
actual wizard
Too bad he can't put his genius into sometime actually b productive.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 shut up
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Stupid comment, if he can program something like this for a game, imagine what his irl job is.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 How many degrees in mathematics and experimental physics do you have?
17:38 Did one of your patrons name themselves Billy Mitchell? That's amazing lmao
Dude, I'm totally an outsider to all this stuff, but the collective work of the speedrunning community is amazing. It's no different from the scientific community where incremental progress is made by independent minds using different skills and tools. Would be great if there were a central repository for all the research people do on speedruns, like a peer-reviewed journal. That way people wouldn't just race to beat world records - some would race to publish a new exploit/strategy. The researchers could be the scientists, and the speedrunners could be the engineers.
Those are game forums. They already exist! 😁
I'm ready to see a 120 star WR by someone with no carpeting in their entire home 😱
You know, It is very poetic that the last game 3D Mario Game directed by Shigeru Miyamato is still being speedrun like this
10:15 You could have called this “computer solves speed run in 100 years” and it technically wouldn’t be clickbait.
I love when Karl describes insane strategies as "inhuman" in terms of difficulty, yet these amazing players do it anyways. It's because they're not humans; they're legends.
I love how confidently Cheese dismisses carpetless as Not humanly possible, only to eventually learn the trick. I love how over the top and dramatic he can be :)
He's also hot with blue hair
I always find it interesting that the strat and methods are figured out, gets written off, then many years later someone notices it works and breaks the speed running community lol
POV: You're Billy Mitchell and you have notifications on for Karl's channel. Every time you get a ping you get acutely scared and distressed that the latest video is about you. Heart racing, you open up your TH-cam notifications and you see that it's about Super Mario 64.. this time. You breathe a sigh of relief, able to relax, if only for that moment. But the comfort is only temporary, for you know that the next hit on you is coming. You don't know when, and you don't know how bad it will be, but it keeps you awake at night, knowing it's coming..
...Happy Halloween 🎃
holy hellz, Scattershot sounds like a amazing tool for Speedrunning in general. being able to run Thousands of Simulations in minutes seems like it can help find so many tricks.
I liked the part where you talked about speedrunning
Timestamp please
Damn, speed running is getting to a whole new level of intricacy, intelligence, and dedication I couldn’t have seen coming. I never thought I would see a childhood N64 game like this taken to….
To be continued
Never ceases to amaze how such old games can still hold so many new discoveries
I love that Billy Mitchell is in the patreon credits lol why has no one claimed Silly Bitchell?!
I just love witnessing a new breakthrough in SM64 speedruns.. this game is so optimized, it becomes an event that truely feels like history was made!
So cool to see trial and error machine learning applied in this way. I love how it has been fine tuned to be less about finding TAS level optimisation and more about finding ways to solve problems that a human is capable of inputting
Thank you so much for these videos! I don't have the capacity to keep track of what's happening in each speedrunning community but I'm really interested in them and I really appreciate that you make these videos!
always good to see new speedrunning news from the one and only.
Ever since Bismuth's video, I've been eagerly awaiting the moment I could hear Karl say "crysalith"
Man, the SM64 community is beautiful - we've got passionate speedrunners that smash records, talentful programmers that come up with novel ways to tackle problems, and of course our charismatic Karl to keep us well informed ^_^
Carpetless changed the way I view the world. Shoutouts to Simply
"If you own a rug you own too much"
As soon as the carpetless setup was found, so many people made videos about it... but this is easily the best one! All the details, the history, and also the insight of the development with scattershot! I enjoyed so much and definitely learnt many pieces of the story! Amazing video!
And btw, congrats to Krithalith for revilutionising this game as noone has done in a long long time!
It's absolutely insane to me that people are still discovering things like this... These folk are talented, no doubt about it.
It was so long for puncayshun to finally be WR holder again. Then he loses it 5 days later. Gotta feel for him.
It always puts a big smile on my face to see you've uploaded, thanks for the continued quality videos!
Consistently cant wait and immediately stoked.
The patreon subscriber that chose the name Billy Mitchell
You should try to get some of the original developers to react to these carpetless methods. It's warranted.
The emotion in Karin's voice says it all. The Speedrun grind is such a beautiful thing.
Just want to say ive been watching you for years man, and still get a smile everytime i see new video. Keep doing what your doing, very much enjoy your content and storytelling!
man it's crazy how new starts like this that seemed pretty much impossible just come back out of no where! Great video Karl, i don't really have time to keep up with the mario 64 speedrunning strats so you're videos really help me out a lot! And of course congrats to karin for breaking the 1.37 barrier!
I have always thought of TTC upwarp to be the holy grail of SM64
another great video. it was amazing to see the 120WR go below 1:37
I love how they're still finding major timesaves in a game that's almost 30 years old
I love being able to catch up on the speed running world without having to dedicate time to watching them. Thanks for these amazing updates and detailed history about each one.
Carpetless was only a dream. Then she found the razor.
Holy Shit I did not know that Scattershot existed nor that it spent 100+ years solving carpetless; 2023 it truly do be like dat
Thanks legend for breaking down all these strategies and make them interesting to watch even if we don't speedrun.
It's admittedly abunch of mumbo jumbo to me. But as someone who grew up with this game and plays it once a year like some sort of tradition, seeing the game so alive and relevant in todays gaming culture never fails to be heart warming.
The moment I saw the new carpetless set up I immediately started waiting for your video on it (:
Luv ya work mate! XD Hope the crap with Billy gets sorted soon!
I've always been a believer in carpetless. Super hype to see it finally happen.
An idea to save time is proposed.
Everyone says it's impossible or not worth it.
Someone brute forces it into existing and forces it into running a game.
Karl makes a video on it.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Love to see it.
Great video as always. I can't wait for the one you'll make about the legendary Silly Bitchell court case happening in 5 days (oct 27)! :)
Shout out to Billy Mitchel for being a bro and donating to the Patreon.
They pulled the carpet out from beneath us, you can say.
Great video, and well done to the entire community.
That Scattershot tool sounds epic btw
Karl, I have been watching you for years. I really do appreciate what you do for us. Most of what I know about the speedrunning community is because of you. I am so fascinated by the entire culture. I love everything I see. The good and the bad. Your presentation is delightful. The editing is professional. The quality of your work is excellent. I like how you present the stories. I like how you tell the story and then discuss your thoughts. Sometimes as you tell it. But you tell the whole story nonetheless. That is how it is supposed to be. I don't mind an opinion so long as I still get the whole story too. Then I can determine if I agree or not based on the facts presented. That is journalism. I remember when this was the standard not the exception. What you are doing here is a lost art. BRAVO!
I heard Mario goes faster when he starts in second gear. That’s just what I heard though. It must be true. It was verified by a referee
I watched Puncayshun’s run. The reason he calls it cringe is because carpetless, being such a massive time saver, took an otherwise really mediocre run into WR territory.
A carpetless run played very well should save a minute or so, not just 1 second.
I love these speedrun explanation journeys. What absolute legends.
i love the mass effect space map theme. thanks for playing that
I just love the stuff. I have no idea what’s going on, but am in absolute awe of it all anyway! Go Carpetless thingy!!
I don't even like Mario games but these videos are so crazy interesting you can't help but love them.
mario 64 and a lot of n64 games aged poorly but the analyses are fun to watch
Mario 64 did not age poorly. People who say that typically have awful taste in games.@@LavaCreeperPeople
@@theremix54No such thing as bad taste in games since it’s entirely subjective, some people just don’t like old janky controls.
@@theremix54lmao someone got triggered 😂
@@laineyw7257It's actually not though, When you play the rom hacks it makes you dive into the core of the mechanic's to the game, it's not janky I can control Mario extremley well actually. I can Control Mario in Sm64 better than any modern game that will ever come out...with Sm64 it is a skill issue like I said when you play the Rom hacks some of the levels force you to be good and really learn the physic's of the game I'll never know Carpetless cause this is legendary status but still this game is actually really good control wise you just need to have patience.
"Considered too difficult for a human to do."
Japan: "Hold my sake."
Amazing how cleanly run the old world record was that even with a Carpetless Strat it was only beaten by a second.
I wonder how Blazesoul13 felt when he learned that a computer played Super Mario 64 for 100 years just to find nearly the same strat that he did lol
No less impressive, but an important distinction is that the human brain is capable of abstraction, whereas Scattershot is not.
Our favorite Legend Karl Jobst is back with a new Game Record video! N64 games have some of the best competitions for players.
You got me hyped, I thought someone has replicated the upwarp on the clock tower
I love that new clips and tricks are constantly being found. I can't wait for a way to do this without pause buffing or people start doing it without pause buffing. It just feels so out of place for a game that feels so smooth until that point.
Interesting note about the tech, does this have to only apply to sm64? Imagine what black magic we could get up to in ocarina of time!
I saw someone who was inspired by scattershot and decided to mess around with a similar thing for minecraft, though they haven't done anything major with it. But there's no reason it wouldn't be, it just takes a lot of work and clearly krithalith likes SM64.
Saving this video from when I'm enjoying a good snack. Thank you for your content!
16:25 I love Karinpune reaction it was so wholesome and happy!
That guy blazesoul was so ahead of his time In 2009 it's crazy!
naming yourself krithalith is such a gamer move because nobody can say your name without sounding dumb
I find it quite interesting how the AI can get us into a differente space of exploration when it comes to games, i've been following scattershot lately and i feel like this would be unbelievable in the past if you tell me
This has nothing to do with AI.
It is an impressive piece of software tho.
Scattershot is purely brute force. There's no intelligent part, thus this is no artificial intelligence.
And let's be real, let's not put great speedrunning software next to mostly gimmicks that companies put in their earnings to boost their stocks (not joking).
I know this isint the place since its not a related video.... but karl, I need a billy Mitchell update. I'm completely invested in his tomfoolery and your calm and methodical ways of dismantling it.
Keep it up dude
Jesus christ, a trick so hard Mario had to hit thr hyperbolic time chamber for 100 years to perfect the form.
Thats some Toriyama strats.
They found Luigi?! Oh
L is real!
The real Carpetless was the friends we made along the way.
What a way to end a speedrun, hitting the last star before the final level with the biggest trick in the game
It's midnight right now and I've got job later, but this is a Karl video so I'm gonna watch it.
Hello you absolute legend. I’m a huge fan of yours. What advice would you give to someone trying to make a video like this?
Ai is now speed running, wow😮
Propelling humanity into the future. My grandpa would've never believed his eyes if he saw the Mario 64 120 star speedrun WR shaved with a carpetless double glitchy wall kick. Miracles do happen.
karinpune's reaction at the end was great