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Fantasy writing & worldbuilding: How to start a war?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- War is often seen thing in fantasy worlds. It might be in history, it might be in the future, it might be the focus of your story. But how did it start? What are causes large enough to drive war?
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Intro music by Ivan Duch
Chapters
0:00 War is a thing
2:09 War Defined
7:56 It's complicated
8:50 Trade and War
11:48 Conquest
13:24 Religious Wars
19:12 Nationalism
22:37 An Uncivil Discussion
25:58 Defensive War
29:05 Your War
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Which one of these reasons have you used for war?
A mix of All of them
On the world Im building for example
The Malevick Kingdom is a mostly human supremassist they eradicate non human species like dwarfs and elfs.
Theres a jungle area where tribes figth almost on a cicle of permanente wars and peace almost like a religious war agreed by almost All tribes.
Theres a desert where clans of ogres and goblins banded together and they are on a stalemate with the other city states of the the ogres and goblins where forced out from the south by gnolls, forcing them north to the desert.
"Europe is the PvP server, I am telling you" won it for me, I just subscribed.
The Roman Phase was way too crazy No Wonder IT was nerfed 50 times
"Europe is the PVP server" hahahaha amazing hahaha 🤣
I really enjoyed your choices on historical events. Some I knew others I never heard of. So it gave a different perspective that most don't talk about.
I agree that the subject of war is a very extensive topic that probably should Merit its own miniseries. I am just thankful to hear how was even start in the first place because that is definitely something of contention even among historians. Thank you for this very valuable content!
I hope my thoughts made some sense at least 😊
i have a global religious war,your video helped me put that more into perspective,Thank you!Keep them coming!
Most welcome
This is the only video I've seen on actually starting wars and its pretty awesome! Thank you for making this and please continue.
Thanks for making this! Trying to use all sources I can to make a realistic and compelling reason(s) for a war to start, so this is helpful.
You’re very welcome!
You are so dope I love your voice and content. This helped me immensely
Thank you for the kind words and glad I could help :) I made a massive war compilation which you might want to check out :D
Thanks for another interesting presentation. Some thoughts:
Thucydides said that men go to war because of honor/pride (Trojan War - Helen of Troy), greed, or fear.
"An accident waiting for a place to happen." Michael Yon says amateurs talk about what sparked a war, professionals talk about the conditions that allowed a spark to burn out of control. His viewpoint is about predicting upcoming wars. Don't look at what could trigger a war, look at places where conditions are ripe for a war.
He also says that pandemic, famine, war, cause each other in a vicious cycle. He's of course thinking about the near future. Search TH-cam for his interview with Jordan Peterson.
On defensive wars, that's Peter Zeihan's thesis on Russia's actions. He says Russia has indefensible borders (no mountain ranges, deserts, seas) and are driven to reacquire the old USSR borders to feel secure. Search TH-cam for his many presentations on Russia (he is a consultant and makes many presentations every month, so his TH-cam videos are repetitive but slowly evolve over the months).
The inciting incident for a war, the official reason a war is declared, is called the casus belli. A classic casus belli is a blockade. But many people think a blockade is relatively benign. In Star Wars Episode 1, someone says he doesn't know why the Jedi are getting involved in Naboo, it's just a blockade. Dude, a blockade is standard casus belli which is why JFK was careful to call his blockade of Cuba a quarantine and not a blockade because he didn't want to start a war. A political commentator recently said that China could interfere with Taiwan without going to war e.g. with a naval blockade. Dude...
Another theory is Donald Rumsfeld's (and others') weakness is provocative. If a war breaks out it is because deterrence has failed (if your enemy thinks he can't defeat you, he won't start a war). Or what the Roman Vegetius said, If you want peace prepare for war. Related is "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" often attributed to Trotsky. See Quote Investigator for an investigation on the origins.
I have heard Putin's arguments that he needs to defend his borders and hence invaded Ukraine. I'd posit that he's lost the propaganda war on that one. But I didn't want to use such recent history as an example since the algorithm can be very mean about controversial topics :)
I agree on the point of the trigger vs the conditions. The first world war is a prime example. Decades of arms race and the race for Africa had Europe spoiling for a fight. The Grand Duke catching a bullet was just the last straw.
And yeah, people have a strange take what words mean :) A blockade is a serious thing. It's drawing a line and saying: cross this and I'll shoot you. It's a very aggressive and militaristic move.
@@JustInTimeWorlds in the case of Russia's war with Ukraine, nationalim plays a big part I think.
Anyway, another infomative and interesting video. Thank you! It would be interesting to hear about hiw wars end and about the long-lasting consequences of wars.
@@tautvydastamasauskas I'm not sure it's nationalism. I'd go with conquest, but most wars are a mix of trigger conditions.
@@JustInTimeWorlds I feel that there is a component of nationalism as Russia feels humiliated after the collapse of the Soviet Union in a similar way that Germany felt humiliated after WW1. I think it's some kind of 'trauma' losing an empire and getting less relevant on the world stage. I actually think the UK has been having similar feelings of diminishing relevance. However, being British as they are, they went to the ballot boxes to vote for Brexit rather than going to war.
@@tautvydastamasauskas one could definitely make an argument for such being the case. Sort of the dying throes of a once mighty empire that can still hurt as it lashes out.
very cool video
I think Matt Colville had a very interesting thought about writing war in that he said if there was peace, that someone was working hard for it to exist, because in the past there wasn't really a time when so many countries as now weren't at war. So, if war started, that someone must not be there anymore to negotiate and manipulate peace into existing.
Would love a "doing war" and a "ending war" video
I made a follow up about the effects of losing a war. Will add doing a war to the list :)
When you mention the hensatic league what if there was another version of them and they went to war with each other
War of the guilds! It's probably happened somewhere haha.
Great video, very insightful and educational!
If you're world building war right now, I put out a massive compilation a few days ago that's nothing but how to world build a war... for four hours haha.
@@JustInTimeWorlds Alright, I will definitely check it out later. I'm writing my first fantasy book, that seems to be shaping up like part one of a trilogy. I am now still working on the first book, but war is already looming. Basically there is an alliance of five states/kingdoms (I still have to figure out the specifics of that construction), and one of these five 'houses' has by far the most territory and troops, and has been bullying several of the others into disadvantageous laws and taxes etc. You mentioned sweden having been a colony of denmark, I think the situation may be comparable. So now the bullies are planning an invasion to actually annex the two other 'states' entirely. There's also mages in the mix, who are very rare and function basically as possible weapons of mass-destruction. Anyway, you can see how the kind of stuff in your video's is of course very helpful to give things some authenticity and actually base events in a logical fashion. Probably the war will start at the end of the first book.
Cheers :)
Sounds like a fascinating plot :D Good luck!
@@JustInTimeWorlds thanks :)
This was a very insightful video!! And I would like to add something about territory expansion wars (on the Roman case), and it is that sometimes those wars were fueled by a desire of a general to gain prestige on the Roman sociaty, so that he would be able to get into politics later (kind of like our modern politics saying things like "I made 2.000 houeses for the poor" type of thing, but the Roman one was bit more bloody). So, if you happen to have a belicist society, you should consider if victory over the battlefield can be seen as something which would aid a politician carrear, and if it does, which objectives would be searched for.
Good points and glad you enjoyed the video.
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@@JustInTimeWorlds
Amazing
I have a bunch of conflits and wars throw out My world, they migth get on the way of the players on dnd campains i Run on the world, This would help me a lot to know why the wars.
Magic and fantasy creatures kind of warp completly the types of armies
Mostly conflicts with very specific objectives
Also a bunch of the strongest nations on my world have, as said, weapons of massive destroction that they use to keep a more or less peace betwen them, the smaller nations that arent aligned with any of the big nations for One reason or the other figth betwen themselvs
I’m glad you enjoyed the video! And your world sounds super fun :)
W video do more