Could There Be a New Kill Team Edition This Year? Release Cycles Discussed!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- Let's talk about the possibilities of a new edition for Kill Team this year...
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0:00 Intro
0:42 Kill Team Launch
4:46 Some Kits They Gave Us
6:50 New Edition Possibility
8:37 Effects of New Edition?
10:34 War Cry Uncertainty
12:43 Rumours and Release Date Possibilities?
14:44 Outro - เกม
Honestly, I don't think Kill Team needs a major rules update. My only hope for a new edition is that they don't screw up the game. 😒
We need better LOS rules for sure, teaching this game to a newbie feels impossible at times
Kill Team is one of the best games GW has ever made.
Not ready for a new edition yet!
eh, I think there's some things which could change. Like, basically all of the compendium teams could either completely go and their respective bespoke teams take their place, or be heavily revised. Also, please god just give me inches back. I think that's realistically the only thing that I'd really need from a new edition, just get rid of the dumb symbols.
It's definitely top 3 in their current range (I'd personally put it at 2), but I wouldn't mind seeing adjustments to Visibility, Combat, and terrain traversal.
Here is what I think they could add for next edition that would be an improvement:
Better compendium teams, I feel like some compendium teams have been left to dry as unplayable in Kill Team, including some factions that fit the fantasy of kill team. Namely Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and Custodes, are factions defined by small elite actions and are both not competitively balanced, and worse not fun. Additionally since a bespoke box is likely never going to make too much sense for the tyranids(the best bespoke box kill teams are made up of a diverse set of units that doesn't make a ton of sense for the tyranids) they need a good set of rules either from the compendium or white dwarf.
Maybe a way to run larger units. In warcry you can run some larger units and your opponent gets bonuses to compensate. I feel like maybe some dreadnought sized units could get added in as an optional rule. Kill Team is a good way to onboard a faction but what if what you like about a faction is their vehicles? Give the opponent some additional tools to deal with the vehicles/monsters when they are around(you get a set number of points for dealing with a large unit based on said large unit, you spend them on things like krak grenades, off map anti-vehicle artillery, single use rocket launchers, etc. all themed to the army you are playing as much as possible). Obviously this will not work on into the dark and presumably other expansions they have planned but I think it might be a fun optional ruleset they could add. Also a battle that is just a kill team faction fighting a knight might be fun.
Additionally the way wyrmblade deals with hero units I think could also be added to other factions. You spend 2 units on your list to get a character. Might be hard to balance for some of the more elite factions but the semi-elite and horde kill teams can probably have it. I do think generally the way Hierotek Circle runs it might be the best way, as it's a faction built around using a cryptek top to bottom, but it's a good way to get some cool and unique models out on the table. Commissars for guard, farseers for aeldari, a painboy for orks. All these sound fun to me.
@@notanotherpyro Funny thing is, some people really like the simplicity of the Compendium teams. But I agree, I find them dreadfully dull.
@@jeffreymonsell659 I think intercession squad should be the floor going forward.
Remember folks.. Rules exist forever.. So this edition of kill team is valid forever.. You're dudes will always be welcome there! (same goes for 40k)
Yeah, but it’s very difficult to find anyone who will play KT 1.0
Thats why I'm trying to get my hands on everything from this current edition. I can see a resurgence in popularity in the distant future
So dumb.
@@iiiiiii5i played KT18 alot and it had some very frustrating mechanics. The charge rule done my head in.
Agreed. Im going back to earlier editions of 40K.
Im will be playing this version of kill team for many years and will see how the new rules are.
What i like about KT is it refreshes 40K models and adds more spice to their gear! Here's to hopong for some new Catachans!
They should also make one for warps spiders to retire the old 30 year old kit
@@shrub6 There are rummours about vespids being the ones elected on the next box which is still another very old kit renewed, no warps spiders (quite sad) but still another good kit to get an update.
Vanguard veterans need a primaris kit. Just saying...
I just made mine out of the jump assault intercessors and a ton of bits but yeah the old kit for them is pretty dated
Catachan vs Nid warriors, best kill team they could ever come up with after Krieg vs Kommandos.
One box kill team per major faction? Admech are weeping into their toasters right now.
Tyranids: "Are we a joke to you, GW?"
I will continue to be miffed until the Deathwatch (you know, the guys with KILL TEAMS) get their own rules, not just Compendium
Personally I hope they don't release a new edition yet - would feel like a release for the sake of it, as the rules are well established
The main GW studio are under the pressures of corporate mismanagement so you can fully expect a new edition that fucks the game up savagely, since they’re a huge part of what drives sales for the company.
A new edition using last one. that improves the rules and clarifies LoS could be nice.
@@Locoantropologo Yeah there's some nonsense with LoS , obscurity etc that could be cleaned up. Otherwise it's a great rule set
Don't think I am quite ready for a new edition yet.
Yeah I think GW needs to slow down with their new editions
Kill Team probably doesnt need a new edition per se. I think KT needs a universal rules update where certain rules are streamlined or made to make more sense. The setup phase, line of sight, cover, and obscurement, are all universal rules that could use re-writes for the sake of comprehension. People I know who've played for yeah STILL get those wrong, including me. It would be nice to get another year so that the forgotten factions could get something unique (Tyranids, Grey Knights, Custodes, World Eaters, probably a couple more).
A whole new edition would mean throwing out a lot of the hard work they already out in to the existing teams, so something that just refines the base rules would be better. Each team has a lot going on and losing whole teams to somrthing like what happened to warcry would be a tragedy.
Kill Team really doesn't need a new edition. GW could streamline the rules a bit and make them easier to understand. I don't think it's a big deal to send the Compendium teams into retirement. There are now so many bespoke teams that everyone can find something they like to play in KT. The stupidest thing would really be to throw away the current, now well-established rules and do something completely new with the system.
I think the biggest shake-up GW could create for Kill Team would be to produce enough big release boxes to meet demand. You know, try something completely new.
Let's not get too crazy, c'mon
I wish GW would slow down their edition cycles and really focus on developing the edition once all the factions are supported. Maybe 5-10 year cycles instead of 3 year cycles.
I hope the new edition doesnt bork existing models. I just got the Tau Pathfinder team so please GW don't ruin it!
Nah everything will be dumped in new compendium and become mid af, to encourage you to buy new kits
If Warcry is any indication then all current bespoke teams will become Compendium and most current Compendium teams will be removed.
Yeah, Warcry is an indicator that GW wants to make these small games almost like a TTCG
I hope soo too but we know what will happen sadly. Best I can recommend is save up the rules and datasheets and play the older edition when the time comes.
A Kill Team Box with new Shrieks or new Gargoyles, possibly both would be really cool. I mean the winged Prime leading Shrieks with a new Gargoyle kit as a back up would be a good final release for the Tyranid focused 10th edition.
Still waiting on World Eaters to get Kill Team rules.... I mean they gave the bloody Night Lords rules!
I am really looking forward to the "flying stuff" box for Winged Tyranid Warriors 😃!
It'd be nice if the new Edition simply expanded upon things and neatly compiled existing rules in a single Rule Book akin to what 40K 4th Edition did, maybe even take a cue from it and remake Kill Team 2007 style of games. However, knowing GW, they'll just find the worst way to botch it.
death guard and world eaters havent even got kill teams yet
Admech got an update in white dwarf, but that was only because the compendium team was garbage. They haven't got a box release either.
Death Guard used to have a Kill Team in 1.0 of 3x Plague Marines and like 6x Pox walkers?
@@accursedblackmage i think the same goes for thousand sons and genestealers cause i know they got white dwarf ones
Gellerpox Infected was death guard
@@shadowuk163no that’s chaos daemons nurgle. Death Guard does have a kill team in the compendium, 6 Death Guard or 3 Death Guard and 6 poxwalkers. Definitely could use an update like Tsons and GSC got
I just don't see how a new edition of KT would increase sales.
Since the bespoke teams just come in one box you can't change what models you need for the team.
Which teams are the best already changes with each season's terrain rules, so meta chasers already have regular reasons to shift to different teams.
Maybe they'll reword LoS, adjust the flight rule and switch to inches, just so they have a reason to call it a new edition, but other than that I don't see a monetary incentive to shake everything up at the moment.
As long as the existing models can be used, and current teams. The current rule set is GOOD. I honestly hope it is only tweaks
I'm hoping for more CSM kill teams: Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, etc.
Fallen would be incredible too!
if we get jump infantry, i'm hoping for Tyranid Shrikes as we have not have any Nids kill teams.
The only thing KT rules need is rewording of the rules for cover. The rules themselves are OK but they are worded in a completely incomprehensible manner.
Give me Kill Team Grey Knights and update the range ! Could be awesone, demons vs grey knights box !
Kill Team 2e hasn't even had all the factions released with it updated to actual bespoke teams.
Custodes, Tyranids, DG, WE, and GK are still without true army rules or crusade rules.
If they do end this edition of kill team, they should do it in style with Deathwatch vs Genestealers. Both kits could benefit from an upgrade sprue.
My dream is a bespoke Tyranid Kill Team ( maybe gargoyles update + refresh )
Might be an interesting video to use the Wargame Portal data to see what you can learn about sales data on these Kill Team sets and unit purchases.
I don't play killteam but every release they bring out is an absolute banger. Just finished building my mandrakes and they are a very welcome update to my faction!
I’d assume that any team without an official model set is getting retired
I play a fair bit of kill team 21 and i don't think it needs a new edition.
iirc KT Salvation was late because GW wanted to focus on 10th edition over the summer? It's possible there were extra delays on top of that. I think we might see something similar this year, with GW focusing on AoS 4th this summer, and the next season or edition of KT will be later in the year.
Considering we've got rumours about the next edition starter but not a 4th box for current season, as well as the release date (around the time we ve got 4th boxes in previous 2 seasons) and name ( :P ) of kt termination, my guess is there wont be 4th box this time.
All killteam box sets could use a blister sprew of upgrades or conversions, similar to the soace marine chapters specific blisters in editions past.
Lower support costs from GW however are viable across game systems such as kill team, 40k, necromunda(faction variation even for some xenos) as well as the oftem forgoten TTRP Inquisition and Rogue Trader.
The sky’s the limit in the current release structure for them. People love the game, and they can update and add kits at will while adding new game modes to the rotation. All in all hope they just keep it up and give more and more love to the game.
Shrike's for Nid's please.
Lots of swirling rumors in the KT space. I think we’re done for this season/edition. Hopefully next edition will iterate on the current one so the existing don’t get invalidated. A new compendium release would be a great olive branch to the community.
Rumors say next kill team is with jump infantry/flying and with terrain to match it.
Hope they bring back elite/hero units in Kill Team.
New edition I don't know but there is something coming very fast as it was said on there brood brother article ! I'll start KT with this box because... i play votann and GSC so that the perfect box. love the votann models !
since I don't want to buy new models, i hope the new edition just copies necromunda's homework
It won’t. Necromunda is a Specialist Studio game. Kill Team is a GW studio game, which has a lot more pressure to sell piles of kits since it’s not a niche system. Expect everything to get thrown out.
@@ImrahilToChaos a man can dream/cope. Especially for the Tauros.
They’d sell more models if they just produced enough boxes to meet demand. The last 5 boxes sold out in minutes.
I would say with Darktide advertising this edition starter set and bespoke KillTeam boxes. A new edition doesn’t seem likely. More like a new season.
I do think some streamlining could be done with a new edition without breaking anything though.
It does have e a pretty solid rule set. I don't think it needs a new edition. I am getting tired of the human kill teams though. Also, space hulk terrain broke me of wanting a set because it was terrain I could only use in very specific instances
KT and Warcry lateley are giving us more dedicated 40K and AOS units. Because of that I think they are save.
Soke of the units we got became really stable party of the facrions, like Vulkyn for the FSlayers. So imo they will not be swuated like the ones from 1st edition of Warcry. Same goes to most of the latest 40k releases
just give Grey Knights and Custodes a bespoked team already, or at least make it like Hierotek where with the exception of apprentek you can use what's available in the big 40k roster
Honestly I only like Kill team since it the only way Guard have a chance to have old regiments in plastic. Tallarn, Vostroyans, and more. I don’t need an HQ character, I don’t need a heavy weapons team, just a standard squad and I can kit bash the rest.
I want a Hive City Kill Team Box. Like the ashes of faith, but a narrative campaign and rules for combat inside a hive city.
So... Necromunda?
Yea, there is already a game for that. Kill Team is all about special operations and elite teams duking it out.
Warcry 2.0 was a refinement of the old system with some new bells and whistles added. I have a feeling Kill Team will be the same as all the system really needs is a little bit of tidying up.
I also suspect that the Warbands from Warcry 1.0 are not going away either, but instead getting repacked frpm the AoS boxes they had been moved to into Warcry boces now that they have been culled Slaves to Darkness (which was already so bloated).
Replacing some battle line units with a kill team doesn’t pass a wysiwyg check (fuck that shit) but diversify the look of my army. And instead of painting the same type of model 30 times you can add some variation with ease.
I'm actually hyped for a 3E - LOS rules need streamlining, movement should use a normal measurement AND TYRANIDS NEED A BESPOKE TEAM!
Better not be... I JUST learnt kill team 2nd 😭
I wonder how they will handle so many teams. They have ALOT of teams to balance and manage. I hope they dont start dropping older teams with seasonal rotation like mtg and other games.
A new gargoyle kit would be nice but shrikes would be better.
Catachan !
Don't think we need a new edition - though I do wish an editor would go over the rulebook. It's felt messy
Imagine elysian drop troops kill team
When I get some more money I'm going to try buying the starter set. I'll be really sad if they just destroy the playability of the orcs and the krieg
i dont think kill team needs a new edition there is still alot of expansion they can do
If a new kt edition comes out before admech gets a killteam im gonna be pissed
I hope, with all of my heart, that if they do a new edition the first fuckin box is the thing the game is named after and we get a bespoke deathwatch killteam.
My friend, I'm with you there. Deathwatch get no respect these days.
I think they are going to retire some kill teams the other day I was in my official Warhammer store and they had the drukhari one with the last chance sticker
That last chance sticker is what they put on a box that is a return when they don't normally sell it in store and have no other shelf space for it. Confirmed by shop assistant
@@davidkimball5222 ahh okay thanks
I’d say the warcry modlels are different in that there is rumor that warcry is being discontinued or having a new focus. The game started as a skirmish game between chaos warbands. It’s moved on from that. The next edition will probably be big refresh.
-Its almost -*-Six Years-*- since the launch of Kriegs vs Ork Kommando, but with slow release they are more thriving than 40K and AoS. Their more niche and "Your dude" miniature make them more unique than Warcry-
Edit : checking ot the timeline again I miscalculated the 8th edition and 9th edition, with krieg vs kommando seamless transition make it hard to notice. However I still stand that the current kill team is more easily to support than warcry since what mostly additional team is either upgraded or filling the gap of faction that GW hadn't filled in years compared to AoS bloated and quirky warband
Unless you mean some prior version, current edition KT launched with Krieg vs Kommandos in late(ish) 2021. Less than three years.
I don’t think it’s going to be a new edition, it’ll probably be a new season like Gallowdark or Beta-Decima is
Kill team has been a boon and a bit of curse in its use of miniatures a boon in that we get squads of figures like the custom kroot which fit in well with the larger army and a curse in that we have squads that should have been released as part of new army like the kaskin which should have been given a more general release
I hope not I think the game is pretty perfect aside that tokens are annoying. IDK, if they make a new edition and try to streamline it then the rules need to be really good to justify it or I’ll be sticking to Warcry.
Reading the comments, I'm absolutely shocked by how many people like Kill Team '21. It was KT'18 that brought me into the Warhammer hobby, but KT'21 was, and continues to be, for me personally, a trash fire for so many design and development reasons. I'm glad people like this version, but I'm really surprised.
Bro this vid droped at 12 am for me
I always say that 40k should be fluffy and 1:47 unbalanced. Kill Team should be perfectly balanced and competitive as it fits the theme. I hope a new edition focuses on more diverse teams-- Space Marines should have mixed teams.
Like most of us, I'm just here for the models that get ported into 40k
I dont think that they will get a complete new edition this year. The whole season thing works too gppd for them and in terms of sales act as an "mini-edition" anyways. People buy rulebooks, terrains and the new models. Without that much work put into it (comparing to creating a complete bew game).
Auspex you released this at 2:00 AM CST on the dot. Are you ok?
You can schedule when videos will go up. Unless it's a video about something that JUST happened then it was probably uploaded hours or days beforehand
He lives in a totally different timezone.
i like the fact, that kill team seasons play with terrain types a lot
Maybe the next edition can introduce a Deep Jungle terrain, so more movement options can be applied.
We can see the Jump-pack teams Auspex mentioned, but also terrain specialists like catachans, or tyranid infiltrators like von ryans or liktors.
i actually dont play nearly enough KT to say wether or not a new edition is needed. Though the starter boxes are always good value, so i am all for it ;-P
According to rumours next edition is adding flying rules and flying focused teams (vespids, jump pack scions, gargoyles) and starter terrain contains ruins similar to sanctum administratus.
I loved the amount of terrain the original four boxes had especially since GW barely sells terrain on their own site.
Its all ready happened to 40k, with the Gellerpox Infected no longer having rules support
Bumping for someone calling out the CSM Nurgle techno virus big and little guys. Got Legended a year ago at start of 10th.
Just needs a soft touch not a major overhaul. Current system is one of the bost balanced I've played in terms of GW games.
Honestly I would be so poor if GW actually produced the products that they are selling. I've really wanted to pick up a lot of the KT sets but they are always sold out.
Stop consooming bro
@@sundownwargames If GW would stop with the bullshit FOMO and lack of product being made then the temptation to quickly do it would be gone. GW ghouls may not like it but it would make things a lot more healthy in general.
the reality is they arent going to come up with better rules. just stripped down rules to continually add sprawl. i dont know where this notion comes in that you cant use all your old books that youve invested in already, because truthfully old rules with a little balanced home-ruling is better than whatever they are going to come up with. its not like when you want to play a game of RISK or something your like no we cant play that, the rules are outdated. as if it was a video game with an unsupported server.
I would like an update. But I swear, if they kill the whole game AGAIN and make me lose 50% of my teams AGAIN, I will quit this hobby forever.
I’m really not keen on a new edition. The rules, although very wordy, are pretty solid. That, and it’s not the same money pit as big 40K.
If the new edition is flyers, Im hoping to see new necrons and possibly will get a full jetpack hearthkyn unit this time around, Id assume around the time LoV get their second wave. Also pretty certain blood angels will get a jump assault marines KT as an upgrade sprue. Id assume Nids havent gotten one yet, if the new edition is flyers, then that means gargoyles should be getting a refresh. GW not wording the whole Warcry fiasco correctly really bothered me and actually might have been deliberate to increase sales. I knew what they were trying to say but to many people it seemed like they were on the verge of canning Warcry when in actuality they were just removing them from the very bloated StD range, same with the underworlds team.
I like kill team as it is, id like to see a change to line of sight and back to inches for movement, the colours thing is just shit
I don’t like the restricted squad-style of kill team. It also means Gw does have the power to just stop supporting the squads compared with buying in single miniatures
Yeah I miss mix and matching a Kill Team
@@Lomhow it's what a skirmish game should be
Still no bespoke Tyranid team... so much for "narrative big bad"
When Necromunda gets it before Killteam.
Where were you promised that for kill team?
Or even for necromunda for that matter??
The new system this year has killed the game for new players as they cant get an entry game set other than the basic set which has limited rules and barely any terrain.
it could be fun to see a new version of kill team where they take parts from the mechanicus game, and convert cp points to a more basic resource, like to empower attacks and unigue powers each operater have. Fill a killzone with more objectives to move around to, one kind for victory points, and another to generate cp's it would put a cool strategical dilemma on the players, how to focus on team power rather than flat points and vise versa.
you could build your kill team around spenders, and generators.
Though, maybe it would get to advanced?
Killteam has been great for adding 40k models, so personally I don’t really care what they do with it as long as they don’t stop producing any of the kits. Still waiting on other guard regiments to appear though, krieg were nice and all but how about some catachans and steel legion, or hell maybe some fun obscure ones.
Gw needs to make a new ruleset so they can make all the suckers *sorry players buy all new books and cards. How else are they going to vacuum in all their money.
An Exodite Eldar Dragon Riders Killteam would be amazing.
I miss the old style of Kill Team roster-building. The current one feels very restrictive - like, here's your 5-10 guys, you can build 2-3 of them in one of two different ways and that's it for your customisation.
Things like Heretic Astartes from Compendium were neat because you had flexibility - cultist swarm, elite marines or a mix of both? But then the rest of the "pre-built" kill teams just didn't have that same magic. As much as it would be unrealistic, it would be very cool to have a Marines kill team that had a mix of gravis, phobos and primaris, or a tau kill team that had a couple of auxiliaries in it.
Agreed. Kill team should be a flexible skirmish game.
As good as it would be to have flexible teams, it definitely cuts people out of playing Kill Team budget wise if we were to go back to the previous team building method. Going from purchasing a team that is at most $120 USD (Compendium and White Dwarf builds) to teams that cost as much an army in regular 40K, especially if you want to have all possible options available.
They actually do have that mixed kill team of gravis/primaris/phobos from the Warhammer Heroes blind box set.
@@kloudknight7511 I don't necessarily agree with this. You're assuming that people build a team all at once from new boxes. There is nothing stopping someone from starting with a single box of troops that would build a limited (but still flexible enough) roster. From there, at most you would have 4-5 types of model per faction that would be suitable for kill team, which would be *at most* 4-5 different boxes, and even then that is if you wanted to run every single option.
A single box would still give you a functional kill team as a starting point, which you could then branch out with later if you wanted to. It's the same as building any army - part of the joy of hobbying is collecting over time. People who buy entire armies at once are not the most common type of player.
I'ma keep it 10x10: the new way of doing it is way better. KT1.0 was horrifically unbalanced.
Needs a new edition. I have been trying to get into kill team and it is getting a bit silly what things you need to buy to get up to speed e.g. rules books, compendium (not as critical but niche), annul 2022, annual 2023, wherever the beta decima rules are and any rules more recent than last annual.
Or you know, just do the logical thing we all do and simply use Wahapedia. Never felt the need to buy a single book.
First
I gave in it was too tempting
I love the new Kill Team sets but I was never crazy about Kill Team 2.0's rules. I spent a lot of time and money on my Kill Team 1.0 crews.
Space Weirdos and OnePageRules have been my preferred game system. While GW and my 3D printer keep my model options wide open.
A killteam of iron warriors first brothers with shields and boltguns etc would be great
I get what you are getting at Auspex but even though the 3 year thing is near has there been any indication or rumor of anything happening such as a new edition for Kill Team? No offense to those that like the boxes for this current set but damn are the boxes pathetic in comparison to the first 4 or even the into the dark even though it was very ridiculous how little amount of boxes they even made of those.
Im a hobo
For the Love of the God-Emperor please give us a new edition of Killteam. The current game is horrifically poorly thought out and even more poorly written. I feel like I need a secret decoder ring to figure out what the book is even trying to say, and I see *constant* arguments about how the rules are supposed to work.
GW needs to do a complete re-write of the rulebook. Even if they keep the rules the same they need to clean up the wording and made the book readable. It would be much better to go back to the 2018 Killteam rules; they were actually well written.
Give us warcry with guns.
I personally know Kill Team tester, and I can dismiss rumors that a new edition is to be released in the near future.
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One thing GW will want to do is understand whether people are buying kill teams for kill team itself or for 40k. There's currently no way for them to know. So i do wonder if they will want to have much more bespoke teams in the future that can't be used in 40k. But then if that would torpedo sales it might not be the most sensible decision. Here's hoping the current flexibility is kept....🤞🏻
That should not matter because these box sets should just be available all from the start without FOMO or short supply.