Famous Naval Battle War of 1812 USS Constitution vs HMS Guerriere
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During the War of 1812 the USS Constitution faced off against the HMS Guerriere on the high seas. Find out how this Naval battle ended in our video. Learn about the incredible military history background of the USS Constitution which was made largely out of hemp back when that kind of thing was common place. The ship is still floating today in Massachusetts where active duty US Naval personnel still run the vessel.
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Captain Hull, not Holt. You "kids" who put these things together don't know squat. Plus, the ship you show at 0:04 is the USS Constellation moored in Baltimore.
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The oldest commissioned warship in the world is HMS Victory, a 104-gun first-rate ship of the line of the British Royal Navy, ordered in 1758, laid down in 1759 and launched in 1765. The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship that is still afloat.
thats a good point of distinction thanks for the additional info! great comment
With all due respect to the legendary HMS Victory, her hull hasn't touched the ocean since 1922 and it's been liberally pierced for pedestrian walkways. She is a dry docked museum ship, which is not maintained in a manner equivalent to her service as a first-rate ship of the line. HMS Victory is not even owned by the Ministry of Defense. Her continual commission is less relevant than those of the UK's "Stone Frigates" and serves only a ceremonial purpose. Claiming her status as the world's oldest commissioned warship may be technically correct, but is practically meaningless.
DeadMeat , I beg to differ. Victory remains the property of the Royal Navy and remains in commission. She flys the flag of the Deputy Chief of the Naval Staff (2nd Sea Lord) she still has a serving officer in command and a skeleton RN crew.
The tourist operations are now conducted by civilians and retirees under the National Museum of the Royal Navy.
Yes, she has a dry arse and has had the sides pierced to permit wheelchair access. But arguments to say the Constitution is more historically important is ridiculous Victory fought in five major fleet actions across two centuries including the most important naval battle of the age of sail.
I am all for national pride, but unlike your coward in chief, the rest of the world uses evidence as the basis of truth.
MrEsszed I feel like trafalgar is the most important naval battle in history, irrelevant of sail, steam, coal or nuclear.
@@MrEsszed The Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship still afloat. That was always its claim to fame. The HMS Victory, while still commissioned and more historically significant and impressive in its day, is no longer capable of floating, let alone sailing. In any case, this discussion was never meant to turn hostile. We merely wish to celebrate and discuss naval history. Thus, the insults were unnecessary.
hey, don't forget the fact that it had two massive rockets to propel it, it got stuck atop a building and its captain is a robot with built in miniguns and RPGs.
Scrappers are also trying to kill them don’t forget
This was a good video, I'm still laughing on the inside because a soldier is a giving us a lesson on a naval battle lol
if I ever found myself on a boat I would all kinds of lost
@@Taskandpurpose lol
We’ve replaced all the wood, rigging, sails, and everything else, but it’s the same ship!
that's the Theseus paradox for you!
Yep. Pretty much made of nothing but left over skin, blood and fighting spirit.
A ship is a physical entity, created by usage of it as an item. Until it's in the water, it's just a 1:1 scale model of a ship.
The ship is the the wood, the ship is the moments set assail, all existing as one, four dimensionally.
@@RoniiNN good point now me brain hurts
Yes it is.....
because it concerns the keel of the ship, and it has not been replaced. the keel is the core or soul of one ship. her spine as you wish...
For once, please be happy it is still there...and be proud at it!
Why did America win that battle?
They were high... on freedom
Murica
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@@carbidegrd1 I can't hear you over my FREEDOM !!!
No, because the USS Constitution was a powerful 44 gun 5th rate frigate packing 24 pounder main battery and with almost Ship of the Line hull build and a crew of some 470 men.
HMS Guirriere was a 38 gun 6th rate with 18 pounder main battery of much lighter build with a crew of 260 men.
What was remarkable is that Constitution had to batter HMS Guirierre until she was little more than a floating wreck before she struck her colours.... Not that Constitution won......
@@alganhar1 keep telling yourself
Constitution was a super frigate, with an advanced hull design, carronades had a shorter range (barrel) so you had to get in close.but packed a heavier punch and needed more powder to propel 32lbs than an 18 lb.or 24 lb. round .
Her main battery was also heavier, 44 24 pounders compared to the 36 18 pounders of Guirierre. Also Guirierre was much more lightly built. Both ships by the way had 32 pounder Carronades. HMS Guirierre however only had 260 crew compared to Constitutions 470 ish and Guirierres Captain had given the American Crew on board permission to stand down from their guns (yes, there were Americans serving on board her, and no they were not actually pressed).
But Guirierre did not strike her colours until AFTER she had lost all three masts and was an unmaneuverable wreck. What was remarkable was not that Constitution won that fight, both ships were equally well handled, but that HMS Guirierre fought so long and hard.....
But most American's just look at British Frigate vs American, British Royal Navy, raaaah, MURICA.... And conveniently forget that when the Third, Second and First Rates of the RN turned up to fight a war the USA had declared (not the other way around), those American Frigates ran to port and stayed there....
That there is the problem with declaring war on the premiere Naval power in the world at the time AFTER they had comprehensively defeated their main enemies Fleets comprehensively and totally (France and Spain). But certain rich Americans had seen the opportunity to grab bits of Canada while Britain was still fighting the Napoleonic War and used pretty much every pretext they could to form a Causus Belli.....
@@alganhar1 The U.S. declared war because the British wouldn’t stop stealing our sailors. Why? Because they had the largest navy in the world and had settled all their accounts. They viewed Americans as little more the rebellious rabble at the time.
I’m not even sure why your making up this fiction like the U.S. was mad at the time for no reason. I’m not even sure if you realize this but originally the U.S. wasn’t even supposed to have a professional navy. The entire reason we built it was to defend our selves from British Press gangs and Muslim slavers.
@@alganhar1 Speaking of that ship. This duel is show in the movie. Though in it Constitution LARP as French ship, because it technically fallow exploits of British captain (in actual event he faced three separate ships, but in movie it is shown as one).
The movie is titled Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.
We have something similar in Germany. The „Gorch Fock” and most soldiers hate this thing, because it just costed a shit tone of money to fix it. While we have a lot of problems with personal equipment
Well the Gorch Fock of the German Navy isn’t really that old, it was built in 1958, the design as such dates back to 1933 when the first ship of the class was built.
Two of the sister ships are also still in active service as training ships with the navies of Portugal and Romania. USGC Eagle (built as Horst Wessel in 1936) is in active service with the US Coast Guard.
Also one sister ship (the original Gorch Fock built in 1933) is privately owned as a museum in Hamburg Germany and one ship was sunk in 1947.
I’m pretty sure you can guess what the outcome of the battle was at the beginning
took me till the end of the video to figure it out
“American oak is apparently as strong as our freedom” best line in the video
George Floyd must of been made of pine.
Most oak has the same hardness.
I think it's a bit inaccurate to call the crew of the Constitution untrained, the US Navy has always been a volunteer force and most of these men were experienced sailors, many of whom had been trained in British vessels, merchant or naval.
A BIT inaccurate? I would go so far as to call it out right lies. But maybe I am being a touch harsh, possible that the poster does not know much about the manning and training of USN crew at the time.
They may have had little experience of USS Constitution, but as you said, the majority of those men were experienced sailors, and many had learned their trade in the Royal Navy (almost all of them as Volunteers I might add. Most people do not realise it but the RN preferred to rely on volunteers and only ever used impressment if they had no choice). It would not have taken long to work such a crew up assuming the Captain and Officers were any good, and by all accounts the American Officers on board the big 6 were on the whole very competent.
Aboard a naval warship, the boarding party (at 5:35) comprised significantly, if not predominantly, of marines. Those of NATO/OTAN nations still serve this role. Recently, Dutch marines arrested pirates seeking to commandeer a naval supply vessel.
Wow! God bless the Marines. I have always loved the U.S. Marines. While serving in the U.S. Navy they always guarded me. I felt very safe and still do. Semper Fi.
Live Oak is amazing wood, very dense. Camping on the sea islands of the SE coast, trying to burn fallen branches for campfires is nearly impossible.
There's a forest preserve of White oak specifically set aside for the Constitution near Bloomington, Indiana.
The oldest commissioned warship in the world is HMS Victory, currently birthed in Portsmouth, it was launched in 1765 and was Nelson’ flagship at the Battle of Trafalgar on 1805 when the British fleet defeated the combined fleets of France and Spain . Today she is the flag Ship of the Royal Navy’s First Sea Lord and has been in service at with the Royal Navy for 244 years.
I hear she’s run through with walks for tourists and isn’t fit to sail. I think it’s time for us to plan one last battle for the constitution. Send her in to take out the victory that’s my vote.
But it’s not “afloat “ key word
You can call it or claim whatever you want, but the dictionary definition of "commission: - bring (a warship) into readiness for ACTIVE service:"
Sorry, but as soon as she was pulled from the water, the Victory was de-commissioned.
@@frankw7266sorry your opinion regarding Victory matters not to the Royal Navy, in which she still is a commissioned ship. And the oldest commissioned Navy vessel at that.
@@ryann6067she is not commissioned she’s a museum it’s not a opinion it’s just stating facts
Excellent video. Had no idea. Had heard of the frigate . The narrator gives a clear and informative military breakdown. His mil background shows through . From a fan in Queensland Australia
I saw this ship in Boston it was awesome seeing one of the most famous warships in US History
OK firstly I will say I am of English background :)
yes Old Ironside (1812) was a good ship BUT the HMS Guerriere (1806) was outgunned and outmatched by Ironside
Main battery Ironside had 30 × 24-pounder long guns compared to the Guerrieres 28 × 18-pounder long guns
Second battery Ironside had 20 × 32-pounder carronades compared to the Guerrieres 18 × 32-pounder carronades
Ironsides had 2 × 24-pounder chase guns compared to the Guerrieres 2 × 18-pounder chase guns
If I was the captain of the Guerriere I would of sailed away form the battle :)
and the oldest ship that is still commissioned is the HMS Victory 1765 world's oldest naval ship still in commission, with 242 years' service as of 2020.
I would like to say I enjoy your Videos and I enjoyed this one as well
You forgot to mention that Guerriere was French built and captured by the British and pressed into service. French ships use softer wood than the Brits, so she was inherently weaker. Endymion vs President is probably a fairer fight, the fastest ship in the Royal navy against the American Frigates with Battlecruiser ideals.
@@cutlassteam8643 I know I forgot to mention it was a French ship 😎👍 but thanks for the information on the wood that I didn't know
The 24 pounder long guns were “not good at long range and were used in close combat”??? 24 pounder long guns were some of the longest range cannons at sea at the time. I think they got this backwards with the carronades she carried on her upper deck. They were shorter range weapons.
My thoughts exactly. Constitutions 24 pounders outranged Guirierres 18 pounders and had more punch, then you add to that the fact that Constitution was much more heavily built as befits a 5th Rate Heavy Frigate compared to an albeit large 6th Rate Frigate.
Then look at crew numbers, Guirierres 260 to Constitutions 470. I don't think many people appreciate how much larger and more powerful Constitution was in comparison to Guirierre.....
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This ship is the main reason I want to visit Boston someday.
It’s near bunker hill also within walking distance.
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thanks for watching glad you enjoyed the video !
The Battle of Lake Champlain which took place on 6-11 September 1814 was even more amazing.
Wow! That ship has been a museum since my country was federated. Very impressive.
I crewed for two years on the US Brig Niagara after the 2nd reproduction was built for the Pennsylvania Historical Commission.
I handled sails at the tallest spar on the mainmast. I've sailed the Niagara in Lake Erie and the Atlantic from Halifax to Gaspe, Nova Scotia.
There are also two Leda Class frigates that were built around 1815 still in existence. Many of the British Frigates were similar in appearance to the Guerriere which was captured from the French. There is a wealth of interesting history surrounding the development of frigates and the changes in appearance placement of armament to retain sailing qualities and prevent Hogging. Many Leda Class Frigates were built by the Wadia family shipworks in India. As a Contractor in Marin County California it was a pleasant surprise to meet a member of that family who was a building inspector. Before coming to The US he told Me He was trained and educated in shipbuilding.
The USS Constitution was not a frigate in the accepted sense it was a specific American class of ship twice the size of a normal frigate built by European navies and with extremely thick sides as shown in the film. Most battle injuries to crew members aboard wooden warships came from the solid cannon balls breaking through side of the ship spraying the decks with lethal wooden splinters.
The "accepted" sense of frigate was very broad, but it generally referred to a square-rigged vessel with one primary gun deck - as opposed to a ship of the line with two or three. The French Forte class had over 50 guns. The Swedish Bellona class had over 40 guns. The British built the Leander and Newcastle classes of frigates which were almost identical to the Constitution. The British also built a class of frigates by starting with a 74-gun ship of the line and razing a deck. (razees) which packed a much bigger wallop than the Constitution but were still classed as frigates.They did likewise with 64-gun ships of the line, such as the legendary frigate HMS Indefatigable
The constitution was a frigate. It was not a big battleship. but it was fast even for a frigate. it had a speed of 13 knotts. The hms vitory for example had a speed of 11 knotts. part of the reason it was so fast was due to the shape of the keel. it had a steep angle at the bow
the navy grew a white oak forest called Constitution Grove in order to maintain the U.S.S. Constitution. It is one of the hardest types of wood on the planet and they need old growth timbers. it takes 50 years before the tree can reproduce and is susceptible to pollution so they to grow a forest also to protect the species. It is outside of Bloomington, Indiana. It was a big part of the early days of the United States ability to prosper
It's fascinating to me that the Constitution was made a museum but not the Enterprise considering that it doesn't even come close to the battle history that the Enterprise had.
I found the detailed discussion about the various armaments and their use particularly interesting.
I forget which battle but the Constitution lost the ships wheel to cannon fire. They maneuvered by pulling the tiller lines. After the battle they went aboard the defeated ship took there wheel and installed it on Constitution where it remains today.
Wonder if captain Ironside is still trying to get it to fly 🤔
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yes, he's now on top a massive skyscraper in the middle of downtown Boston. "One step closer to the sea".
Totally worth a visit.
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The ship moored pierside at 0:04 is the USS Constellation and is in Baltimore, NOT the USS Constitution.
Correct. It's the USS Constellation.
America oak is as strong as are freedom 5:10
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You said, “Captain Hull” and the AI voice-to-text rendered his name “Captain Holt.”
Damn it, Cappy! Despite my best efforts, this Cranky Old Trooper is really enjoying these videos. Keep this up, and I might actually crack a smile.
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Very nice.
I loved this story and wish to God Americans understood what the price of FREEDOM cost us. Thank you for the education of the USS Constitution. I am a U.S. Navy Veteran and didn't know this story nor the song! I will teach it to my bible students. Maybe we could even learn the Yankee song! America First!!!
The United States was not defending its FREEDOM in the War of 1812. The United States declared war on Britain with the express intention of conquering the rest of British North America while the Brits were busy with Napoleon. The United States was the aggressor in the War of 1812. Here, written a month after war was declared: "The acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching; & will give us experience for the attack of Halifax the next, & the final expulsion of England from the American continent.” Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 4 August 1812.
In 5:21 you said that the British ship was larger but I think the constitution was 49 feet longer than the guerriere
He might have been talking about the hull length, because the uss constitution had a very long boom and bowsprit which is almost as long as half of the constitution
Some war ready navy dude: is alive
Some old arse ship: I’m about end this whole man’s career
The Constitution totally outclassed every vessel of its size, it had larger guns and a stronger hull than any frigate, and it was fast enough to duck any ship of the line.
Old Ironsides is located at the Charlestown Navy Yard. I grew up there and always took the tours. The Bunkerhill Monument is right up the street.
There are still frigates in the US Navy. The Oliver Hazard Perry class was decommissioned in 2015, and is being replaced by the Constellation class. Constitution is the only ORIGINAL frigate, but not the only frigate in the USN.
I Love how the painting at 2:14 have a bald eagle on the right side because America
"American oak is as strong as our freedom" Well, that would put your trees down on number 27.
FYI, the Constitution was called a Super Frigate. Since the US couldn't afford true battleships of the line. They instead over engineered and over gunned the ships they could make, hence the Super Frigate. Not to take away from her accomplishments. Just that she was one few ships that could even attempt what she pulled off. Which goes more to her crew and captain, as the ship herself. An example, unlike most other navies of the era, the US Navy was willing to spend the powered to practice gunner. The British Navy did not, believing it a waste of money. That meant the Constitution had 80%+ hit rate (practically unheard of for the era), while the British ships was closer to 50% hit rate. Yes, you can miss with a broadside. But more importantly, you could miss anything vital and just make splinters, not knock out a enemy.
Erm, actually wrong. British Captains REGULARLY trained gunnery, and it showed at battles like the Nile, Copenhagen and Trafalgar where the British crews had more than twice the rate of fire. In fact Captains would pay out of their own pocket to ensure their gun crews had enough powder and shot to practice gunnery if they had to. There are literally records of many, many Royal Navy Captains doing EXACTLY that. Good gunnery was a point of pride amongst good British Captains at the time.
The difference was the British Doctrine was to close and utilise rapid rate of fire to overwhelm an enemy ships hull. Your comment of 'just make splinters' shows your absolute ignorance of ship to ship combat in that era because injuries caused by splinters thrown out from cannonballs passing through hull timbers was literally THE primary cause of injuries in a Naval battle at the time. Those splinters could be as long as spears, 3 - 6 foot long, and were a nightmare for the ships surgeons to remove. The point of the British method of Naval combat was to close and pound the hull, put the enemy guns out of action and kill or wound as many of the crew as possible to either force the enemy to strike their colours, or to allow a boarding action.
Long range gunnery all to often allowed the enemy to slip away once they thought they were outmatched, much harder to do that if the enemy beating you is only two cables away and pounding you for two broadsides for every one you can manage....
5:20 the guerriere was "smaller" than the USS Constitution
you should find out more about live oak. live oak is the reason the cannonballs bounced off
I actually saw the ship on my trip to Boston
I think we really need to make a feature movie ala Master and Commander: Far Side of the World that had Russell Crowe of the battles of the USS Constitution during the War of 1812.
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Hahaha. At the beginning of the video you show an image of the USS Constellation.
Old sailers must have had hands rougher that a wood rasp.
5:33 they were Marines on the boarding party and they used shot in their muskets.
But a good video!
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No joke, the Oak used to build the Constitution was far denser than the European Oak used in British vessels
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HMS Victory is the oldest 1759
Its Hull not Holt. Sadly if the Constitution or either of the Surviving Leda Class British Frigates were to meet the French Frigate Hermione the French would take all three as prizes. That’s what happen’s when gun control is applied to historic naval vessel’s. It reminds Me of a story from the stoics about choosing to die like a man or live as a eunuch.
I wonder who wan... the ship they just told me still exists or the other one... I really can't guess
little foreshadowing there !
It still exists because it never got caught broadside with HMS Victory
Single broadside would have stove her in. Scary thing? Victory was renown as a fast sailor, in light weather she was only half a knot slower than 6th rate frigates. In weather that SUITED the frigates. In heavier weather Victory would have been actually faster AND more agile than Constitution, and been able to dictate the engagement.
There is a REASON HMS Victory was kept in service for so long, and the Caledonians and other 1st Rates that succeeded her were based on her design.....
The crew, like the Navy detail at Arlington should wear traditional Navy uniforms. Not some Washington desk riders decision cause he wanted to be a marine. The Constitution's crew always wore period uniforms, not just the guides.
Just one NAVET's opinion
Fun Fact.
On May 10 1844 the U.S.S. Constitution was in Da Nang Vietnam .
The USS Chesapeake vs HMS Shannon fight is probably more famous in the UK.
Literally the ship of Theseus
"Live" Oak at it's best
Who downvotes these lmao it's fun and informative
salty ol' sea captains I'm sure haha
@@Taskandpurpose I downvoted for the misinformation.
Like the carronades because of lack of skill, the real reason is they were lighter so were mounted higher up on the ship, they were short barrelled unlike the 'long guns' of the Constitutions MAIN BATTERY which were the 24 pounders. The 32 pounder carronades because of their short barrels were short range guns but with large bores, so offered extremely high short range firepower, however they were useless at long range.
Also your comment that the 24 pounders were bad at long range is utter garbage. Other than the 32 pounders mounted in the lower gun decks of 2 and 3 deck ships of the line the 24 pounders had the best long range characteristics of any Naval gun of the time period. In short the Constitution had the most powerful guns it was possible to fit on a purpose built frigate. There WERE a few Frigates that had 32 pounders, but they were razee's, which were old 4th or 3rd rate ships of the line with the upper gun deck cut away to turn them into frigates. Those converted from 3rd rates usually maintained the 32 pounders that were the 3rd Rates main lower gun deck battery.
Had the Constitution met one of THOSE, and the Royal Navy did have three of them at the time, she would likely have lost. Those were cut down third rates, with 44 32 pounder long guns, 30 32 pounder carronades topside, the hull timbers of an ACTUAL ship of the line designed and built to throw and receive broadsides from OTHER ships of the line, lightened by almost a thousand tons, but retaining the masts and sail plan of the original 3rd rate.
This clip mentions a Captain HOLT. Your editor slipped up. Issac was the Captain at that time.
It's got more and bigger guns, but it's still a fair fight!!!
yeah the "fair fight" part was propaganda for the U.S to boast about the victory
@@Taskandpurpose if your fighting fair, your doing something wrong
The first ship you showed at 0.06 is the U.S.F. Constellation in Baltimore Harbor!!! Check your facts.
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Can a personel use any sight other than the ACOG in the army?
@Greatmcwhite 😂 "Buh-dum, tishhh."
Generally you can only use issued optics. As for what you get, It depends on what your unit has and will issue you. You might be able to get an eotech, or you might just get a CCO (red dot), but most combat arms just get an acog. Honestly tho, an acog is what you want.
Issac HULL was Captain at that time.
OK----------- I know I am a bit late but late is better than never as this is now 8/18/2020. LOL. The Constitution got the name Ironsides because the Oak timbers used in the ship had spent Decades sunk (With weights piled on top) in freshwater to hide the shipment from the Brits who had passed a law that all Oak in the Colonies was British Property for their Shipbuilding industry in Britain. The Colonists had to cut the ancient trees when the Brits ordered it but then the logs disappeared with all kinds of stories that included it being burned in local stoves for winter heat, or simply burned in an accidental bonfire. Actually, the Colonists decided that they would no longer supply materials for British ships that would not only be used against them but keep Colonists from being Pressed into servitude to man them. The 200-year-old wood and decades in freshwater hardened the planks into almost bulletproof planks.
...what? Where are you getting this?
USS _Constitution's_ nickname was literally because it did bounce round shot during the battle. The reason was that _Constitution_ had a unique hybrid of Live Oak and White Oak planking, giving it more strength than most British ships which traditionally used only White Oak. Live Oak, as it turned out, was more capable of bouncing round shot. This specific type of tree, though, was pretty much only found in the southern United States.
What a pile of unmitigated bullshit.
0:17 there's no modern day frigates in the navy?
It's true.
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This was just a 1 vs 1 you guys should check out the battle of cannanore that was 4 vs 200+ it was by far the greatest naval victory of all time.
thats crazy I'll look into that, what war was that during?
@@Taskandpurpose I know it was between portugal and india around 1500.
What about the battle of Trafalgar? I would have thought that since it decided who controlled the worlds oceans for over a hundred years maybe it might be greater.
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I believe you have the right to say she is the oldest commissioned warship without adding "afloat". People will flap on about the Victory, but the dictionary definition of "commission: - bring (a warship) into readiness for ACTIVE service:" Sorry, people can "claim" whatever they want, but as soon as she was pulled from the water, the Victory was de-commissioned... dry dock educational museum piece doesn't count.
and when the war was over, they got to smoke the ship.
'Merica, fuck yeah!!!!
"Who won?" I mean it's pretty fucking obvious who won.
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Its not going to be the last frigate for very much longer...
i want to go see tht ship and hms victory
Hull not Holt
The Carronade was cheaper than cannon, not more expensive, and constitution was bigger than guerriere,,, by a fair bit, sorry but Guerriere was out sized out gunned out manned, idk why around 1100 ton v 1600 ton is seen as anywhere near comparable?the result was no surprise, and tbf Guerriere was in bad need of repairs, fair play the Americans won the day but come on guys tell it as it is and not how you want it to be
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I would like to build a diorama of the ship in close-quarters battle with a foe. Ideally, one that is historically accurate. The HMS Guerriere comes to mind as an eminently satisfactory example. However, finding a kit of this in the same scale I expect would be improbable.
Would you know if any kit maker pro- duces such? I lack the skill to scratch- build one.
Alternately, could one credibly mod- ify another kit of the Constitution? This might work if one altered the railings: painted the hull, and the deck fixtures differently; repositioned some features; changed the sails, the yard- arms, the masts, the rigging, etc.; posted different pennants; altered the uniforms and attire, especially their colours, and the like.
Toward this, I have several ques- tions: 1) What would serve as a sui- table counterpart in an engagement on the high seas? 2) How would one set the sails? I understand that the crews would have furled the lower set, that they could see to fight. 3) How many crew figures would this entail? I am estimating at least a couple hun- dred per ship. The gun crews would be busily at work, likely sharply increasing this number. 4) How would one represent battle damage? This would entail more than just cutting away some of the hull and bits of the deck fixtures; one must dramatise how the cannonball struck, including collateral damage. I want the enemy vessel to be the worse for it, with one mast fallen diagonally across the deck, its rigging and ratlines entang- ling things. 5) How would one present the crews in fighting? This also would include the dead and wounded, which to be accurate would be grim (to say the least!).
The next alternative would be to consider the Barbary Pirates. However, I know even less of that setting. Would any of you lot?
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I eventually want to build a model of the USS Constitution (using the Revell 1:96th-scale kit) engaged with a wor- thy opponent. The HMS Guerriere would be an eminently satisfactory example. However, I have no idea as to how to actualise this in polystyrene In scale to the Constitution (1:96). Do you know if any kit maker produces such? I lack the skill to scratch-build one.
The next alternative would be to consider the Barbary Pirates. How- ever, I know even less of that setting.
A heavy frigate won against a light frigate.
Legalize it.
She is not in Massachusetts, I can assure you.
Yeah, she's definitely not stuck atop a building in Boston.