This is a nasty spot. I always felt like you have a choice: play with big sound but lose the accuracy, or play extremely lightly and more accurately. She opts for the second option. To me Yefim Bronfman is one of the few who can also play with huge sound here. Then again, he’s built like a bear! Yuja’s Scherzo is dazzling and impressive. I played this concerto for Philippe Entremont in a masterclass. He called it a “downhill concerto” because he thought the first movement was a masterpiece, the scherzo effective and the rest of the piece wasn’t up to the same standard. I don’t agree and I also find the finale the most demanding movement. The cadenza is hard in the first movement but not excessively so. You nailed what is most difficult about the piece- the leaps. I’ve performed 70 concertos and this is definitely at the top, in terms of difficult- along with Brahms 2, Rach 3.
@@benharmonics Bartók 2 is at the top of the list for difficulty, for sure. It’s also extremely difficult ensemble with the orchestra. The 3rd Bartók is more tame and a delight to play. It’s not so frantic and the whole piece has a spiritual quality. I performed yesterday the Falla Nights in the Gardens of Spain, and Liszt-Busoni Spanish Rhapsody. They were the perfect combination, as the Liszt has too many notes and the Falla lets you relax and enjoy listening to the beautiful orchestration. A great experience!
NICE Post!! I couldn't pause it fast enough to make a comment. Haha. Yuja Wang really is sublime... from the main war horses, to ....Horowitz, Cziffra. and her Petruchka, Brahms Paganini, Ligeti etc... I have yet to really hear something from her that doesn't impress. Even if something is say... not to my taste (which is few and far between)... I can still appreciate her interpretive choice and flawless execution!
It depends on what you consider difficult, which is different for everyone. Those are some ridiculously large leaps in both hands and probably is just about the most extreme that particular skill can get. Others might consider repeated notes a larger challenge. Some things might just be impossible for some people to play, large intervals like 10ths will just be unreachable for some, others can play runs in tenths in their sleep (granted there's few of those but they exist). The point is you can't be objective in this.
@@hairybear6983 To me, at that speed, it's already uninteresting. I'm sure some as-yet-unborn kid will play them even faster, and therefore will be seen as a better musician and pianist for it.
Stop separating the two. A complete pianist is one who has command of their technique in a way so virtuosic that any musical idea they have can be made manifest at the piano. Prokofiev in this section clearly wanted the pianist to show an insane gymnastics routine, which is exactly that Wang is able to accomplish here.
false dichotomy. it's played perfectly musically here... about as musical as this passage can be, Prokofiev intended it to be performed as Yuja Wang does here.
This is exactly how this passage was intended. Or do you think you’re a better teacher then Gary King? Because if you don’t, your advice holds no merit at all 😂
@@ArgerichStan 4 measures don't make a musician. And there are countless others who play the same passage as well or better - Lugansky, Bronfman, Vinnitskaya - to name only a few.
@@muslit No-one is saying that her execution of this section has anything to do with anything other than her brilliant execution of this section. The title doesn't even imply that I think she does it better than anyone else that you listed. Take your weird Yuja hate boner somewhere else.
This is a nasty spot. I always felt like you have a choice: play with big sound but lose the accuracy, or play extremely lightly and more accurately. She opts for the second option. To me Yefim Bronfman is one of the few who can also play with huge sound here. Then again, he’s built like a bear! Yuja’s Scherzo is dazzling and impressive.
I played this concerto for Philippe Entremont in a masterclass. He called it a “downhill concerto” because he thought the first movement was a masterpiece, the scherzo effective and the rest of the piece wasn’t up to the same standard. I don’t agree and I also find the finale the most demanding movement. The cadenza is hard in the first movement but not excessively so. You nailed what is most difficult about the piece- the leaps. I’ve performed 70 concertos and this is definitely at the top, in terms of difficult- along with Brahms 2, Rach 3.
70 concertos is insane!! I’m sure you’ve played the Bartók concertos, so how do they compare?
@@benharmonics Bartók 2 is at the top of the list for difficulty, for sure. It’s also extremely difficult ensemble with the orchestra. The 3rd Bartók is more tame and a delight to play. It’s not so frantic and the whole piece has a spiritual quality.
I performed yesterday the Falla Nights in the Gardens of Spain, and Liszt-Busoni Spanish Rhapsody. They were the perfect combination, as the Liszt has too many notes and the Falla lets you relax and enjoy listening to the beautiful orchestration. A great experience!
@@danielgloverpiano7693 Wow! I wish I could've been there.
@@benharmonics thank you. It was videotaped, so I hope to post onto my channel once it’s edited.
Have you played Busoni’s Piano concerto?
NICE Post!! I couldn't pause it fast enough to make a comment. Haha.
Yuja Wang really is sublime... from the main war horses, to ....Horowitz, Cziffra. and her Petruchka, Brahms Paganini, Ligeti etc...
I have yet to really hear something from her that doesn't impress. Even if something is say... not to my taste (which is few and far between)... I can still appreciate her interpretive choice and flawless execution!
Look at the scale in thirds in Brahms 2 4th mvt
What’s the timestamp for this part in the original video?
21:28
should at least show the piece name etc
Prokofiev 2
Those are the hardest four measure in the piano concerto repertoire? Ridiculous.
yea like wtf man just some right hand gymnastics thats all?!!???
It depends on what you consider difficult, which is different for everyone. Those are some ridiculously large leaps in both hands and probably is just about the most extreme that particular skill can get. Others might consider repeated notes a larger challenge. Some things might just be impossible for some people to play, large intervals like 10ths will just be unreachable for some, others can play runs in tenths in their sleep (granted there's few of those but they exist). The point is you can't be objective in this.
@@hairybear6983 fair
@@hairybear6983 To me, at that speed, it's already uninteresting. I'm sure some as-yet-unborn kid will play them even faster, and therefore will be seen as a better musician and pianist for it.
@@joemiller95 And rightfully so. The faster the better. I'm a big fan of Max Verstappen you know.
This girl is greatly over hyped. She didn't even competed.
Sure jan
stop fetishizing technical proficiency at the expense of musicality! ah well, that ship has clearly already sailed.
Stop separating the two. A complete pianist is one who has command of their technique in a way so virtuosic that any musical idea they have can be made manifest at the piano. Prokofiev in this section clearly wanted the pianist to show an insane gymnastics routine, which is exactly that Wang is able to accomplish here.
The "musicality" in this instance is clearly technical profiency though. The two are definitely not mutually exclusive.
false dichotomy. it's played perfectly musically here... about as musical as this passage can be, Prokofiev intended it to be performed as Yuja Wang does here.
This is exactly how this passage was intended. Or do you think you’re a better teacher then Gary King? Because if you don’t, your advice holds no merit at all 😂
what
if you like robotic soulless playing look no further than yuja wang
Me when I lie
and if you like ignorant comments from people with not an ounce of musical credibility, look no further than sneed 😍
Yuja wang has unbelievably incredibly control and emotion, but let’s see you play this to compare musicality?
that she is a "robot" and "soulless"--is this a judgment you formed based on your ears or your eyes?
clearly you havent heard her rach 2
Who cares.
Currently 10,000 people
@@ArgerichStan Well played
@@ArgerichStan 4 measures don't make a musician. And there are countless others who play the same passage as well or better - Lugansky, Bronfman, Vinnitskaya - to name only a few.
@@muslit No-one is saying that her execution of this section has anything to do with anything other than her brilliant execution of this section. The title doesn't even imply that I think she does it better than anyone else that you listed. Take your weird Yuja hate boner somewhere else.
Hehe you might have cared just enough to comment.