No one talks about how well this movie did for a female lead movie...especially after replacing the face of the franchise. Frankly it's incredible that it's still in line with Marvels other movies,.
@@davidyolchuyev2905 of cz. More money means more succesful. Thats not my point. Movies like Batman didnt even come close to a billion. Why does a marvel movies always has to
A lot of the movies that get to a billion, don't actually need the China Box Office to get there, so it's more for those movies that maybe need a small boost, like Doctor Strange 2 for example.
Hollywood only gets 25% of the box office from China. So if movies just on the verge of 1 billion were to get a China realease the truth is that they would not truly be making 1 billion, just inflating the numbers
You watched WF and your take away was “a cgi slog fest”!?! That boggles the mind. The treatise on the stages of grief and loss, the costuming, the cinematography, the music, the tributes to Chadwick Bozeman, the spectacular depiction of Black and Latino culture, the historical and political critique on the lengths world superpowers are willing to go to in order to exploit the resources of other countries… You may not have appreciated these elements but that’s not the same thing as saying they weren’t there. I put before you that Wakanda Forever merits far more respect than that.
I always love to hear Grace's perspective. I think the MCU Phase 3 made the "billion dollar club" look like child's play. It's not easy. Not only did we lose Chadwick Boseman, not only are we post-pandemic (which lost a chunk of the theater-going public), not only did it come at the end of a janky phase (No Way Home, Shang Chi being the exceptions), not only is there no tight "bigger narrative" like the Infinity Stones holding this thing together... we don't know the end result yet. Yes, it's underperforming internationally. What's the second weekend hold? Is there a precedent when the lead hero from the first in conspicuously absent? There's much we have to wait and see on. I think it'd be a shame if this movie is deemed a "failure" if it makes $800 million domestically. These are different times. If this is the "rubric" now for underperformance, it's kind of odd that people weren't pointing to something like The Batman (which was allowed in China btw, made $105 million of its box office there) and crying underperformance then. (*Grace has been one of the few people who did acknowledge The Batman's disappointing box office. It was successful and profitable, just not the slam dunk WB hoped.*)
Well, in these 'different times' NWH is at 6 on the all time, and Maverick is at 11. The next highest movie from 2021 or 2022 is Jurassic World Dominion at 48, and Dr Strange 2 at 57, Minions at 62, and that's all for top 100. Two Chinese movies at 79 and 84. Wakanda Forever has a budget of $250m, and part of the MCU (which means a built in audience). NWH made $814m domestic on a budget of $200m with only a few minor MCU cameos. The Batman did underperform, but it was a reboot and separate from the DCEU, and didn't feature any of the DCEU cast, like Momoa, Cavill, Gadot. And recent DC projects have underperformed in general. Justice League (the most recent Batman movie?) only made $658m on a budget of $300m.
I don't think it will get to $1 billion but I do think it will get into the $800-$900M range which is great, considering the loss of of Chadwick😢. Imagine a THOR film without Thor doing this well. Even the one WITH him this year did not open as well as THIS film. And that film came out in July not November.
Do you think there is a possibility that maybe a lot of the hype from the first film was because it was the first superhero movie with an almost all black cast? And now that everyone has seen that nobody really cares about the sequel?
TBH I don’t think this movie underformed, it was always going to open less than the original, since the actor died and the tracking always had it opening like this in the 170-200 range.
@@Kthomasritchie Ok one, that was range, and from one tracker. Almost all others put it in the 170-200 range. And anyting in that is perfectly living up to expectations. Also saw you spamming that in other comments. Really want this movie to flop don't you 😂😂😂😂😂
I watched 'Wakanda Forever' in a sold out screening in a cinema here in Brazil. People clapped and gasped and cheered... It was a real experience. The movie deserves ALL the money is making :)))
@@WellingtonOliveira_well_author Cry louder? I never said the movie was bad. It is a solid 7.5/10. My problem is people saying it's the BEST MOVIE EVER. It really isn't.
I went yesterday for an early time slot and the theatre was packed. There was applause when it was done. I haven't heard applause for a movie in a VERY long time. My family and I really enjoyed the movie. I'd watch it again.
Oh wow, that's cool! We had maybe three people in our theater clap. Moreso there was a lot of quiet sniffles. The mood was totally different for our theater afterward, but we definitely all seemed to enjoy it.
@@JG-xt6eu I actually did see Top Gun: Maverick in theaters. There was no applause for that one. I did love it as well though. I'm ashamed to say I've never watched the first Top Gun.
The movie has made $330 million globally as of me typing this. For a movie that had all these obstacles to overcome this is an absolute win in my opinion.
@@ednewcombe8362 Tf are you talking about? Where in what I wrote did I say box office numbers were a yard stick to measure if a movie is good or bad?🤦🏿
$330 WORLDWIDE Breaks the record for November and your opening monologue is GLOOM AND DOOM. The white wing youtube channels where not as big as they are today and it simply is a reality. All that considered this movie did Amazing! It will have a big drop because unlike Top Gun which leaves you on a high... this movie was similar to attending a wake. People won't want to keep experiencing that sad feeling. A amazing after credit seen would have helped as well. $330 is a GREAT OPENING WEEKEND. But as usual we are being held to a higher standard. Leitia Wright delivered an Oscar worthy performance. Ryan Coogler wrote and directed an amazing film.
With a $250 production Budget and a $150 advertisement.= $400 it will need $800(after theater cut and over seas cut) to break even. This is why Grace wants to see next weekend drop. It technically needs a $1 billion world wide to be profitable.
My black panther screening was the most packed matinee I’ve seen, especially for one that began at one o’clock. Granted that meant I had a few rude movie goers but that honestly didn’t stop me from loving it. I swear Angela Bassett better get something. Her monologue after the bridge fight
The MCU was already in trouble, but She Hulk was the final nail. I don't know anyone in the real world who watched it, finished it and had anything good to say about it. I can't get anyone to come watch black panther with me.
You can have different "corners" of the MCU, like outer space: Guardians/Thor; overseas settings: Russia/China/Wakanda; other dimensions: Spiderverse, Doctor Strange and Loki's multiverse and Ant-Man's quantum realm; and something in America (?). Our corner is what's missing, Marvel needed something with a super-guy in America, whether it's Ghost Rider, or West Coast Avengers. So I don't see that oversaturation is the problem, if it's varied.
That's just the problem, they didn't HAVE to replace them. This wasn't something done to them by uncontrollable external circumstances like covid. There wasn't some law in the cosmos or the legal books that said that they cannot replace the actor for Tchalla. This was something Disney did to themselves.
That's the problem right there. The character wasn't gone. The actor who played the character was gone. They refused to keep the character around and that's on Disney and their very poor judgement.
I think Wakanda Forever will do pretty decent in the weeks after the release especially considering thanksgiving I could see families going to see it together, perhaps going for repeat viewing
BLACK ADAM has more reviewing appeal than Black Panther. Considering it wasn't that great, Black Adam being action packed makes you want to watch it again.
@@pika2031 Considering the film's lead passed, the story was re-written with a new lead, and fans were divided on the T'Challa decision. I say it's a strong opening with even more impressive audience response.
Not that many MCU movies cracked 1 billion without China. So coming close to a billion like Dr Strange 2 did, would be in line with most other MCU movies.
I think the domestic numbers for Wakanda Forever is just fine. A sequel without the title character, and one in this climate coming in roughly 10% behind the iconic original movie is a success. However, we need to see the legs. If it gets to 500 it is an unqualified success for me. Below that and I think the recent poor movies (Especially Thor L&T) has caused a lot of people to wait for the Disney plus release.
500m and its a success - the most hyped msheu movie of the year. Thor L&T gets 750m and its a total failure. What a mess of a fanbase you have here on this TH-cam channel. Lol
The long run time,emotional film,not enough interesting characters,the film having boring premise,not enough action scenes,all of these factors will effect thisovies rewatchbilty its not even making a 900 million
I definitely plan to see it again. Honestly I don't really care that it was mostly women. The characters were great and the emotion and stakes were there. Yes Marvel has been a bit obnoxious but I think this movie is great despite the studio. I agree with you, this was like the Winter Soldier of Black Panther
Cracks in the foundation? What was you seriously expecting this movie do perform at without T'Challa? 180M is damn good impressive for a movie that doesn't have T'Challa.
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 I agree. Let me list a few factors for why this film didn't match the original 202 million. 1. IT DOESN'T Have T'Challa 🤦. 2: The First one came out during BIack history month. 3: The first black panther was closely tied to Infinity war, a very anticipated Avengers movie. This one doesn't have that luxury. 4: Right now in America is election season and it gets very divided here during election season. Very toxic and very divisive. The fact that this movie had to contain with all of that and still in it's opening box office come to 180 million is freaking impressive. Period.
Black Panther wasn't a film made for everyone, major focus was black women. Needed more M'baku or strong male character to bring in more of an audience.
I LOVE TICKET MONTAGE!!! A chance to see the BTT Family! I know it's more work for you, but it touched me seeing all the other members of the BTT family! I wasn't crying YOU were crying. What a great feeling to be part of an amazing community!
There are so many variables that doesn't mean the ship is going down. If people have issues with the current quality of films, that's valid. We got one whole year off from any Marvel content because of Covid and it messed up their release schedule. Contracts have to be honored and they had to push out more than they wanted to in a short period of time. Also, I know people who have seen all Phase 4 films but haven't watched all phase 4 D+ shows. People can choose what they want to watch, one does not need to consume all of the MCU, it's called audience choice and Feige knows that. D+ has allowed people to wait until the film is streaming vs running to the theater. Now inflation has curbed people's discretionary spending. This plays like comic book reading. Not all comic book readers read all of DC or all of Marvel and the general audience won't either. Ant Man started this trend before phase 4 as it made the least amount of money. Why, people either didn't know the character or Marvel fans didn't care for Ant Man. That may change with Quantumania.
@@kennycodes this was the 6th time BP has been on the big screen (Winter Soldier, Civil War, Black Panther, Endgame, Infinity War, Wakanda Forever). The character is a very known commodity at this point.
I just watched Black Panther the first film for the first time a few days ago to prepare myself for the sequel. It was very emotional watching it, and it was a great film. Although the final fight was not great with the over use of CGI. I'll probably be seeing this sequel next week since I will be out of school for Thanksgiving.
Yeah i get the Cgi issues in the first one but otherwise for me it was a perfect film, great pacing, a charismatic lead, a world we have not seen on screen before, with a perfect balance of action and drama, perfect level of emotional lows and highs, interesting suporting cast and a film that was just such fun. The sequel had in credible acting from its leads, i mean for some characters giving an acting masterclass, a very cool villian and origin story (not really a villian but an adversary really) and some beautiful production design. For me though apart from that it was mostly just the opposite of the first one which is such a shame as it felt the good they had created in the first one was mostly undone but it was still entertaining in parts and to this what happens next.
Why was it "very emotional" watching the first Black Panther? It was a fine movie... but I don't recall it hitting any strong emotional chords. Was it emotional for you because a real life human man died? Keep that in mind when watching the sequel. The death of the character T'Challa has no context... it is not earned... and has no narrative value. All of the emotion for the fictional narrative is derived from a real world event that is in no way related to the movie structure. It is emotional manipulation in it's purest form. The movie is barely average w/o the emotion of Boseman's death driving it home.
Thank you Grace for including me in the Ticket Montage! I'm in Brazil🇧🇷 and We watched the movie in a crowded IMAX Theater, and it was one of the best and emotional experiences I've had watching a movie in recent years. Much Love from Brazil! 🇧🇷❤️ 30:07
I went to the first showing on Friday morning thinking we would miss the crowd and it was packed. There were tears(I could hear the sniffling) and I was a sobbing mess especially in the last few minutes and then clapping. I really enjoyed it and thought it was a great tribute to Chadwick Bozeman.
Nope. The first Black Panther was a cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy.
Lyle Lyle is STILLL top 10? WOW...salute to Smile for holding strong. BP 2 was awesome. Very heartfelt. There was a certain scene that my theater (packed full) was dead silent. Very rarely does that happen.
I just watched Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and I gotta say that I thought it was just okay. I was bored for about the first third, but it picked up a lot after that. However, while I like the characters, I don't love them. Angela Bassett is great as always, but I'm just not pumped to hang out with Shuri. Riri Williams is okay, but I didn't leave the film wanting more of her. I think that's a big problem. If these characters never showed up again, I wouldn't really care. It remains to be seen if I'm in the minority on that, but when the first Iron Man was done, I DEFINITELY wanted more Tony Stark. When Civil War was over, I wanted more Black Panther. When The Avengers was over, I wanted more Loki. I didn't come out of this film wanting more of anyone. Actually, that isn't true. I wanted more Namor, but it didn't leave me wanting more of any of the heroes.
I don't think grace understands how the writing of the Witcher is if she's saying that "he stayed for season 3 so I don't think the writing was that bad". Especially for Cavill that's a Witcher fan. I just imagine how mad Season 3 will be, just imagine cause I won't watch it like I didn't watch season 2 lol
It is a longer movie with an abundance of emotional and grieving scenes compared to the original where the quiet scenes are plot driven. Might hurt repeat viewing numbers.
I think times are tough, and folks are very cautious on how they spend their earnings in todays economy.. The 45 day window is also crushing imo, because I feel the public will just wait. It’ll be tough to return to billion dollars movies for many factors.. Covid scare, income, over saturation of content, etc. The next test will be Avatar, where I believe Cameron/Hollywood will learn a tough lesson.
I think you are making great points that are being dismissed too easily. We are not in the heyday of movie going. I think we are like in the Broadway/stage play transition. Going to plays/musicals was the big deal back in the day and then movies over took that. I think streaming is overtaking movie theaters.
I'm definitely refraining from purchasing entertainments and avoiding eating out. But if I had more money coming in, I'd be seeing a lot more movies and eating out, (especially after getting my bivalent booster nearly 3 weeks ago).
I am so surprised ppl still don't understand movies and other entertainment media should be made for the ppl who see them. All types of movies can exist, but not all ppl will be interested in all of them. I am not into romance movies but I don't try to stop ppl from seeing them or lobby to change that genre to be something I like.
Disneys biggest issue is it is trying to prop up its streaming service with its very short window between theatre and streaming. With the cost of living going up everywhere people may be saying “why pay X when I can wait 45 days and watch it online and the fact it’s nearly 3 hours means you can pause it and go back”. I also agree with your sentiments about marvel being over saturated. The big kicker will be if GoTG vol 3 does better since it’s Gunn’s swan song for Marvel and then he is moving to DC.
This movie was great. I saw it twice in the theater this weekend and plan on seeing it again next weekend. It made $180m in the first weekend and the topic is that it’s going to flop??? What kind of world do we live in that a $180m movie on the opening weekend is going to be a flop?
Well it's all relative to their budget. A cheap horror film like Smile hasn't made nearly as much but it was so cheap to make, it's bringing in a huge profit. BP2 still needs to have good numbers in coming weeks to make back its budget and some of these superhero movies are really front loaded in terms of their box office.
More and more with superhero projects, the failures are coming down to the scripts in large part. Really worried about the future of the MCU if phase 5 already has a bunch of bad scripts. The writers room definitely needs some sort of revamp
The dialogue in the clip they released of Ironheart was atrocious and she is throwing things she can grab in her room!!!??? Couldnt someone so smart come up w something bttr than that? Apparently, the writers could not 😂.
The ones that made me watch the first Black Panther movie were Chadwick Boseman and Michael B Jordan and without them I honestly didn't felt any desire to watch the sequel
The first Black Panther was a cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy.
I'm a comic book fan, and from the beginning, I didn't have as much interest when I heard T'Challa wasn't being recast. It seems like less of a Marvel product to me. In fact, many of these recent films feel less like a Marvel products. I'll see it eventually, but I'll go to see a good Ryan Coogler movie to see a Black Panther movie. Everyone reacted too emotionally to the death of Chadwick Boseman instead of doing it like Batman, Bond, and every other big "hero" in books. I'm just not as interested.
I liked Wakanda Forever. I had a few issues and a few moments took me out of the fantasy, but overall I think it is a strong sequel. The cast was brilliant 👏
There's a reason why only 2 movies this year made 1 billion Yes, the pandemic did change things in peoples watching habbits and the sooner we all accept this the better. The Box Office won't return to 2018-19 standards any time soon
Plus China blocking the release of most Hollywood blockbusters. It's not surprising that 1 of those 2 billion dollar movies was lucky enough to be released there. It's insane that Grace says that a movie is not successful if it doesn't make $1B. Wakanda Forever had the same budget of Thor L&T and it will make more money than it (and they both went over their original budgets because they were shut down during the pandemic but still had more controlled budgets than the DC big movies)
5:29 aren’t you the one who said the more minorities the better because they go to the movies more or something like that? 🤦🏿♂️ Now this time it’s a bad thing because the box office is lower. This is what people were telling you.
that will be irrelevant when the total grosses are in. Im not guaranteeing it but I feel BP2 will make more at least domestically. spoiler culture played into doctor strange 2. I feel BP2 will have better rewatchability and it also attracts a wider audience. Doctor Strange 2 is definitely a MCU wider universe type film whereas BP2 is more standalone
I think they announced this is Willis' last or one of his last roles due to illness, and he's been making these b-movies to help save up for his family or something.
Phase 3 was making a lot of money seemingly easy, but let's not forget that in a way it was the reward from building up the universe from 2008. There were great characters we all were invested in and a good overall story that was going up towards a climax with Infinity War and Endgame. Phase 4 however, is, in a way, like a new beginning it will take some time to get into another climax. The perfect analogy is investing in the stock market. Today the market can be low (bearish), but when you zoom out and see the big picture things will begin to take off towards another climax (bullish) if Marvel has a good general plan for this new era (like they did for phases 1,2, and 3).
Wakanda Forever is in my top 5 MCU movies because of its sophistication and execution. Very disappointing to hear about the Caucasian drop. It will be interesting to see next week's drop off. I'm going to see it again.
My friend who is black and myself who is Hispanic showed up on Friday... There were some white people in the theatre. Mind you we saw it in Dolby. I realized the other day that this is the first year I've seen all the Marvel movies. I think Multiverse of Madness was the strongest but I would put this one after it. I feel like this and Thor though had elements where they had a draft and decided to pivot off into a different direction. When we got out of the theatre though there were so many people of color all dressed up to see the movie. It was pretty cool to be honest.
It also was a major cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy. So, I'm not worried about BP2's box office future.
She hulk definitely damaged the MCU big time. People were beginning to doubt Marvel after Eternals, then they began questioning after Thor Love and Thunder.. She Hulk then pushed them over the edge
These narratives drive me crazy... When a male dominated movie doesn't blow away expectations (in an era where the box office is lower across the board nonetheless) no one says it's a problem with male characters
$180 million dollars in a weekend has never even been seen by Spielberg - or Cameron (Avatar made its money over a long period of time) Grace created the narrative and then just tries fit the numbers to it. She avoided the fact that the film set a record for November. DCU - has *never* achieved this. So if this is not considered by MCU a huge success then they can forget about anything not called Avengers or Spiderman being ‘successful’.
@@zenla1033 exactly... And it made less than the original because as she herself has admitted in the past, the box office now is horrendous across the board everything movies are making ow would have made significantly more 3 years ago... Ppl have become accustomed to not leaving their house... I'm even seeing it in the clubs as a dj... Nowhere NEAR how it used to be years ago... There was a little boost after the pandemic when ppl were happy to be outside, but that's it
@@th-sd6niumm that’s early, I go opening weekend early all the time for Marvel movies and most only have a few people in them. You are just an asshole lol. Take your dads duck out of your butt and maybe you’ll be more pleasant
Went yesterday. It was ok. Got very bored in parts. The running time is definitely way too long. Should have been 20-30 minutes shorter. Would have preferred it if it focused on Lupita Nyongo's character instead of Shuri. Not a big Letitia Wright fan. Also, Ironheart looked like a cheap power ranger toy.
I hope so. I knew I'd love it despite everything bad everywhere else, but I understand people waiting for word of mouth first. Thankfully this was not anything like the other material. There was only one thing that annoyed me and it was the "colonizer" thing with Ross. Nothing else in the movie grated with me or felt offensive. Even Riri Williams is more entertaining than I expected, considering how bad she is in the comics. This really was a great movie in my opinion.
I think it was a really good opening weekend for this movie. The actors all gave great performances and you only really needed to know about the 1st movie, not all the MCU movies. Angela Basset delivers the family moments.
That is true, it was a little more self contained and unconnected like a lot of the current MCU projects and acting was phenomenal, there should be some acting nominations and production design nominations for this movie but apart from that it was very mid tier MCU, unfortunately like a lot of Phase 4..
Yeah Grace dont agree with this take. The predictions were 175 and the made 180 plus when the final # come in the MCU is the only studio making 140 mill + on there major movie releases consistently this year. I didn't expect this movie to break or come close to the original bc the lead actor was not in this movie. For what they had to go through making movie this movie they did great opening weekend and if they finish between 900 and a billy Marvel will be okay lol.
@schouse Well said. Also, the first Black Panther was a major cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy.
yay! i counted 7 of us doing the ¡Líik'ik Talokan! sign! Namor, baby! loved Shuri taking on the Black Panther mantle. so excited about Michaela Coel, too. Coogler achieved something extraordinary yet again. everyone was phenomenal. Bassett, Nyong'o,etc. but to see our Mesoamerican flavor on the big screen in this way.. my heart is full! can't wait for more Namora, Namor, & M'Baku!
Carey Mulligan has become something of an issue driven filmmaker. I'm glad Promising Young Woman got its due but I still wish more people had seen Suffragette, a much more gritty and intense film than I expected..
So if this is "Sputtering" and "Being held together by rubber bands" I would love to know what you consider successful. If the most successful and consistent studio is getting this kind of rhetoric you MUST think the rest of the movie industry is an absolute dumpster fire.
I think we still feel the effects of the pandemic, even if the actual pandemic has died down. A lot of my friends are hesitant to go to movies, musea etc, mostly because they kinda forgot it was an option. We have become so used to working from home, and watching new movies from our couch for the past 2,5 years, that leaving home has a higher threshold than it used to.
First time here in the Philippines, that a Marvel movie on it's 3rd day in theatres, there was no queue in ticketing counter. We filled the theater a third only of its capacity.
Grace, it isn't just about identity politics it is about an investment index called ESGs, E =environmental, S = Social AKA Identity Politics, G = Governance AKA speech control, so the whole thing is a total partisan division, companies that rank high in ESGs are Democrat companies like Disney and companies that rank low in ESGs are Republican companies like Tesla. So half of the country ain't interested. And not all people of color are into identity politics. I'm Mexican and I'm not into it. So Disney due to ESGs has gone full political and full partisan.
I’ve a lot of college deadlines atm so I’m not able to see it until next week, but I’ve heard great things! Happy to see all these glowing reviews for Angela Basset’s performance!!
100 percent my niece who I’ve watched all the movies with opening night since avengers is in college, we’re watching it next weekend to continue our tradition
I live in Dubai and went to see the movie at 10pm on Friday at a theatre I knew wouldn’t be so crowded. And guess what, it was mostly empty. For a marvel movie precovid a theatre like this would have been atleast half full
Nothing is more useless then anecdotal claims of theater being packed or empty. The Black Adam fans are still claiming ‘packed theaters’. Lol. The film just broke the record for biggest November opening of all time. That’s an objective fact.
@@zenla1033 it is. I’m just saying perhaps it wasn’t clear in my comment that we are still not to the capacity we used to be. I loved this movie but I don’t think people have been rushing to see it where I live as much as we did for earlier mcu movies
It's so weird that everyone thinks every marvel film needs to make a billion to be successful. Civil war, iron man 3, captain marvel and black panther are the only solo films to make a billion. Multiverse of madness made 955 million without china. Thor 4 sucked but made 760 million without china. Now Wakanda forever makes alittle less than the first because it's not coming out in some markets and now the sky is falling? Fandom gonna fandom
My only comment on Wakanda Forever is that when I saw Black Panther I felt it was a key step in the MCU journey heading towards Infinity Wars/End Game. Each Marvel movie was picking up a fervor building towards something I felt (and it was) going to be awesome. I felt I was on a journey. And, yes why Black Panther didn’t really deal with Thanos it was still very key in building Black Panther’s story. I loved Wakanda Forever and generally I liked all the Marvel movies (even Eternals). But, I just don’t know where Marvel is heading. I know Secret Wars is coming, but I am struggling to see how all the current stories fit. I am sure in hindsight we will know. I just feel like I am not on a journey for a big pay off yet.
I agree. The Infinity War/Endgame build up played a key part in Black Panther success. In addition, the character made its debut in Cap: Civil War which was a billion-dollar movie that gave the character high visibility from which to piggyback off of.
No one talks about how well this movie did for a female lead movie...especially after replacing the face of the franchise. Frankly it's incredible that it's still in line with Marvels other movies,.
Actually, Wakanda Forever's opening is better than a lot of MCU movies.
@@TheVeritas1 Yeah agreed. i dont get why this has to make a billion to be successful
It’s trash
@@shenaldilmith3295 because money is the anthem of success (:
@@davidyolchuyev2905 of cz. More money means more succesful. Thats not my point. Movies like Batman didnt even come close to a billion. Why does a marvel movies always has to
i think china no longer letting these movies play over there is definitely the reason why most of these movies aren’t getting to a billion
A lot of the movies that get to a billion, don't actually need the China Box Office to get there, so it's more for those movies that maybe need a small boost, like Doctor Strange 2 for example.
Hollywood only gets 25% of the box office from China. So if movies just on the verge of 1 billion were to get a China realease the truth is that they would not truly be making 1 billion, just inflating the numbers
Joker spiderman no way home
Completely agree 💪🏻
Good point....
The Panther in one weekend made more than what Adam did in a month. 🤔
@@ronthorn3 Wakanda Forever was simply amazing ?WTF ?Trying too hard to prove yourself huh ?
@@ronthorn3 we get it bro, you’re stupid.
@@fahimalfaisal7781 it definitely wasn't amazing lol
That's insane lol. I really though Black Adam would do better.
You watched WF and your take away was “a cgi slog fest”!?! That boggles the mind. The treatise on the stages of grief and loss, the costuming, the cinematography, the music, the tributes to Chadwick Bozeman, the spectacular depiction of Black and Latino culture, the historical and political critique on the lengths world superpowers are willing to go to in order to exploit the resources of other countries…
You may not have appreciated these elements but that’s not the same thing as saying they weren’t there. I put before you that Wakanda Forever merits far more respect than that.
I always love to hear Grace's perspective.
I think the MCU Phase 3 made the "billion dollar club" look like child's play. It's not easy.
Not only did we lose Chadwick Boseman, not only are we post-pandemic (which lost a chunk of the theater-going public), not only did it come at the end of a janky phase (No Way Home, Shang Chi being the exceptions), not only is there no tight "bigger narrative" like the Infinity Stones holding this thing together... we don't know the end result yet. Yes, it's underperforming internationally.
What's the second weekend hold? Is there a precedent when the lead hero from the first in conspicuously absent? There's much we have to wait and see on.
I think it'd be a shame if this movie is deemed a "failure" if it makes $800 million domestically. These are different times.
If this is the "rubric" now for underperformance, it's kind of odd that people weren't pointing to something like The Batman (which was allowed in China btw, made $105 million of its box office there) and crying underperformance then.
(*Grace has been one of the few people who did acknowledge The Batman's disappointing box office. It was successful and profitable, just not the slam dunk WB hoped.*)
Most people I know stopped going to theaters releases for all movies. So this was never gonna make pre pandemic numbers
Actually The Batman made only $25 Million in China...It opened during a COVID resurgence/lockdown over there.
Also Batman stop screening in cinemas, after 45 days in US. It went to HBO max.
Well, in these 'different times' NWH is at 6 on the all time, and Maverick is at 11. The next highest movie from 2021 or 2022 is Jurassic World Dominion at 48, and Dr Strange 2 at 57, Minions at 62, and that's all for top 100. Two Chinese movies at 79 and 84.
Wakanda Forever has a budget of $250m, and part of the MCU (which means a built in audience).
NWH made $814m domestic on a budget of $200m with only a few minor MCU cameos.
The Batman did underperform, but it was a reboot and separate from the DCEU, and didn't feature any of the DCEU cast, like Momoa, Cavill, Gadot. And recent DC projects have underperformed in general. Justice League (the most recent Batman movie?) only made $658m on a budget of $300m.
@@malkosm1128 Good point
I don't think it will get to $1 billion but I do think it will get into the $800-$900M range which is great, considering the loss of of Chadwick😢. Imagine a THOR film without Thor doing this well. Even the one WITH him this year did not open as well as THIS film. And that film came out in July not November.
You forget marvel movies tend or used to make a chunk of money in China markets. Which is nit happening right now.
@@raf686 MCU films. Haven't depended on china since spiderman no way home
@@agtl3168 any other movies? No Way Home does not make up the entirety of movies last I checked.
Do you think there is a possibility that maybe a lot of the hype from the first film was because it was the first superhero movie with an almost all black cast? And now that everyone has seen that nobody really cares about the sequel?
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 I appreciate it's early but it cost them 250 million to make it so hopefully it'll gross more as time goes on
TBH I don’t think this movie underformed, it was always going to open less than the original, since the actor died and the tracking always had it opening like this in the 170-200 range.
Tracking had it up to $225 million.
@@Kthomasritchie The tracking was $175M-$185M
@@Kthomasritchie it made 180 million domestically. Over 350 million globally
@@Kthomasritchie Ok one, that was range, and from one tracker. Almost all others put it in the 170-200 range. And anyting in that is perfectly living up to expectations. Also saw you spamming that in other comments. Really want this movie to flop don't you 😂😂😂😂😂
The actor dying should've boosted the box office, but it didn't. Remember when people went in droves to see Fast and Furious 7 because of Paul Walker?
I watched 'Wakanda Forever' in a sold out screening in a cinema here in Brazil. People clapped and gasped and cheered... It was a real experience. The movie deserves ALL the money is making :)))
No it doesn't. It was an ok movie you don't need to overhype it.
I have seen people say this is "The Best Movie Ever"! You either need to watch more movies or stop saying every new Marvel project is the BEST EVER.
@@KingCobraLolcow you need to cry louder, we can't hear you
It's a great movie throughout
@@WellingtonOliveira_well_author Cry louder? I never said the movie was bad. It is a solid 7.5/10. My problem is people saying it's the BEST MOVIE EVER. It really isn't.
I went yesterday for an early time slot and the theatre was packed. There was applause when it was done. I haven't heard applause for a movie in a VERY long time. My family and I really enjoyed the movie. I'd watch it again.
Oh wow, that's cool! We had maybe three people in our theater clap. Moreso there was a lot of quiet sniffles. The mood was totally different for our theater afterward, but we definitely all seemed to enjoy it.
U must’ve not of seen Top Gun Maverick. Big applause after that ended
@@JG-xt6eu I actually did see Top Gun: Maverick in theaters. There was no applause for that one. I did love it as well though. I'm ashamed to say I've never watched the first Top Gun.
There were people cheating thru out the movie at my theatre.
Man they applaud at everything
The movie has made $330 million globally as of me typing this. For a movie that had all these obstacles to overcome this is an absolute win in my opinion.
Because i box office such a wonderful indicated of a good movie..
@@ednewcombe8362 Tf are you talking about? Where in what I wrote did I say box office numbers were a yard stick to measure if a movie is good or bad?🤦🏿
@@cheemahonuzo8161 where I havei inplied saying you had ..now re-read what I say if you can't understand..then your brain cell will get lonely
$330 WORLDWIDE Breaks the record for November and your opening monologue is GLOOM AND DOOM. The white wing youtube channels where not as big as they are today and it simply is a reality. All that considered this movie did Amazing! It will have a big drop because unlike Top Gun which leaves you on a high... this movie was similar to attending a wake. People won't want to keep experiencing that sad feeling. A amazing after credit seen would have helped as well. $330 is a GREAT OPENING WEEKEND. But as usual we are being held to a higher standard. Leitia Wright delivered an Oscar worthy performance. Ryan Coogler wrote and directed an amazing film.
With a $250 production Budget and a $150 advertisement.= $400 it will need $800(after theater cut and over seas cut) to break even. This is why Grace wants to see next weekend drop. It technically needs a $1 billion world wide to be profitable.
My black panther screening was the most packed matinee I’ve seen, especially for one that began at one o’clock. Granted that meant I had a few rude movie goers but that honestly didn’t stop me from loving it. I swear Angela Bassett better get something. Her monologue after the bridge fight
Every screen was packed. Weather it was in the morning or at midnight.
If Angela gets an Oscar over THIS film, imma side eye Hollywood after all the iconic Films Angela has done. 👀
Yeah my IMAX screening on Saturday night was packed to the brim
@@aliceinacidland she’s been nominated at least once. I forgot for what film
Mine too! Absolutely packed!
Out of all the movies ever released, the 10th highest opening weekend ever isn’t too shabby.
It included Thursday. Black Panther is underperforming.
@@Kthomasritchie all of the top openings include Thursday
@@Sceneitallshow Eh, no they don't.
@@Kthomasritchie the star of the franchise also died. Like are we going to pretend that doesn’t affect the movie at all.
@@IanSmith2814 It was tracking up to $225 million domestic. For the record, I have little interest in all comic book movies.
All things considered, I think overall that's an incredible opening weekend for a movie that lost it's main character.
They pulled off the unimaginable and, in my opinion, truly created a great film.
@@richardpboo2018 Indeed
@@richardpboo2018 exactly. Black panther WAKANDA was incredible
Absolutely! People putting ridiculous amount of expectations on this movie knowing that it doesn't have it's main character/actor are ignorant 🤦.
I agree..
The MCU was already in trouble, but She Hulk was the final nail. I don't know anyone in the real world who watched it, finished it and had anything good to say about it. I can't get anyone to come watch black panther with me.
MSHEU in full force
I think you can’t compare Wakanda Forever with the first one too much, the situation is just too different
I agree and we are in different times as well
They shouldn't have made the situation different
@@1D4ever umm...what?
Namor Is excellent🥰
They should have Recast TChalla and kept the lead character
Kevin Feige doesn't seem to be aware of something called "oversaturation"😂
You can have different "corners" of the MCU, like outer space: Guardians/Thor; overseas settings: Russia/China/Wakanda; other dimensions: Spiderverse, Doctor Strange and Loki's multiverse and Ant-Man's quantum realm; and something in America (?). Our corner is what's missing, Marvel needed something with a super-guy in America, whether it's Ghost Rider, or West Coast Avengers. So I don't see that oversaturation is the problem, if it's varied.
He is aware, but he can’t do anything about it because Marvel is owned by Disney and they demand content for their streamer.
he knows, the executives at the top doesn't.
It’s hard making a sequel for a character that’s gone and you have to replace and they did a better job than most of the other marvel movies this year
No they didn't it was the worst one this year. Not 1 interesting thing happened.
That's just the problem, they didn't HAVE to replace them. This wasn't something done to them by uncontrollable external circumstances like covid. There wasn't some law in the cosmos or the legal books that said that they cannot replace the actor for Tchalla. This was something Disney did to themselves.
@@hanzohattori9576 Preach. Recast T'challa.
@@richierich7229 they just did LOL
That's the problem right there. The character wasn't gone. The actor who played the character was gone. They refused to keep the character around and that's on Disney and their very poor judgement.
You wouldn't get mad at M-She-U if there wasn't that ring of truth to it
I think Wakanda Forever will do pretty decent in the weeks after the release especially considering thanksgiving I could see families going to see it together, perhaps going for repeat viewing
Who would want to see this more them once?
@@nathanschroeder9104 agreed, I don't think the movie has repeat viewing appeal (maybe for some when it shows up on streaming but the cinema?? )
BLACK ADAM has more reviewing appeal than Black Panther. Considering it wasn't that great, Black Adam being action packed makes you want to watch it again.
This movie is somber and has a long run time people are not going to wanna watch this film twice
@@aussierob390 I need to see that bridge fight scene again..
it's just a testament to mcu when 180m opening weekend just seems "fine"
Considering it is a tribute, pandering and being a marvel movies, i say its quite weak opening.
@@pika2031 "Pandering"?
@@pika2031 "pandering"
@@pika2031 Considering the film's lead passed, the story was re-written with a new lead, and fans were divided on the T'Challa decision. I say it's a strong opening with even more impressive audience response.
Not that many MCU movies cracked 1 billion without China. So coming close to a billion like Dr Strange 2 did, would be in line with most other MCU movies.
I think the domestic numbers for Wakanda Forever is just fine. A sequel without the title character, and one in this climate coming in roughly 10% behind the iconic original movie is a success. However, we need to see the legs. If it gets to 500 it is an unqualified success for me. Below that and I think the recent poor movies (Especially Thor L&T) has caused a lot of people to wait for the Disney plus release.
Dude that's the break even point
@@LowlyTaught C'mon. Don't be that person. You know what they mean.
500m and its a success - the most hyped msheu movie of the year.
Thor L&T gets 750m and its a total failure.
What a mess of a fanbase you have here on this TH-cam channel.
Lol
@@LowlyTaught Come on dude. You know exactly what I meant.
@@TheBann90 Dude, come on. No need for dog whistle phrases. 500 domestic is indeed a success. Thor L & T could not get to 350.
Grace never misses an opportunity to talk smack on Henry Cavill. She comes across like a jilted ex. Unprofessional
The long run time,emotional film,not enough interesting characters,the film having boring premise,not enough action scenes,all of these factors will effect thisovies rewatchbilty its not even making a 900 million
I definitely plan to see it again. Honestly I don't really care that it was mostly women. The characters were great and the emotion and stakes were there. Yes Marvel has been a bit obnoxious but I think this movie is great despite the studio. I agree with you, this was like the Winter Soldier of Black Panther
my theatre doubled its screenings for WF and they were all packed. I don’t think it underperformed by any means
My theater was barely half full.
Cracks in the foundation? What was you seriously expecting this movie do perform at without T'Challa? 180M is damn good impressive for a movie that doesn't have T'Challa.
It basically almost made its budget back already lol
I think she is right at some degree about the current MCU situation but YOU'RE SO RIGHT too
@@mutalemwananshiku4098 I agree. Let me list a few factors for why this film didn't match the original 202 million.
1. IT DOESN'T Have T'Challa 🤦.
2: The First one came out during BIack history month.
3: The first black panther was closely tied to Infinity war, a very anticipated Avengers movie. This one doesn't have that luxury.
4: Right now in America is election season and it gets very divided here during election season. Very toxic and very divisive.
The fact that this movie had to contain with all of that and still in it's opening box office come to 180 million is freaking impressive. Period.
At this point, the MCU passes the end of trying to “educate” to downright “patronizing,” which does not help anyone.
Black Panther wasn't a film made for everyone, major focus was black women.
Needed more M'baku or strong male character to bring in more of an audience.
22:20 Grace unknowingly recommending Terrifier 2 to everyone here is gold.
Wakanda Forever will definitely have legs box office wise where Dr Strange didn’t
Im going to come back to this comment in two weeks.
The World Cup is coming the legs aren't gonna be that great
The World Cup is happening next week I fear it will ruin Black Panther’s box office
Doubt it
World what?😂
I LOVE TICKET MONTAGE!!! A chance to see the BTT Family! I know it's more work for you, but it touched me seeing all the other members of the BTT family! I wasn't crying YOU were crying. What a great feeling to be part of an amazing community!
There are so many variables that doesn't mean the ship is going down.
If people have issues with the current quality of films, that's valid. We got one whole year off from any Marvel content because of Covid and it messed up their release schedule. Contracts have to be honored and they had to push out more than they wanted to in a short period of time.
Also, I know people who have seen all Phase 4 films but haven't watched all phase 4 D+ shows. People can choose what they want to watch, one does not need to consume all of the MCU, it's called audience choice and Feige knows that.
D+ has allowed people to wait until the film is streaming vs running to the theater. Now inflation has curbed people's discretionary spending.
This plays like comic book reading. Not all comic book readers read all of DC or all of Marvel and the general audience won't either. Ant Man started this trend before phase 4 as it made the least amount of money. Why, people either didn't know the character or Marvel fans didn't care for Ant Man. That may change with Quantumania.
Re: wakanda forever, I was told not to watch the movie because it wasn’t made for me, so I didn’t. 🤷🏼♂️
Crazy that Wakanda forever’s domestic opening has eclipsed Black Adam’s entire run.
It’s not crazy. It was inevitable
its marvel duh
I dont think anyone thinks that is crazy.
It just goes without even saying
@@kennycodes this was the 6th time BP has been on the big screen (Winter Soldier, Civil War, Black Panther, Endgame, Infinity War, Wakanda Forever). The character is a very known commodity at this point.
I just watched Black Panther the first film for the first time a few days ago to prepare myself for the sequel. It was very emotional watching it, and it was a great film. Although the final fight was not great with the over use of CGI. I'll probably be seeing this sequel next week since I will be out of school for Thanksgiving.
Hope you will have a great time
I agree. The first Black Panther film the third act was the weakest. I agree
I think that you will have a great time. Part two imo is better. But the original was more important for obvious reasons.
Yeah i get the Cgi issues in the first one but otherwise for me it was a perfect film, great pacing, a charismatic lead, a world we have not seen on screen before, with a perfect balance of action and drama, perfect level of emotional lows and highs, interesting suporting cast and a film that was just such fun. The sequel had in credible acting from its leads, i mean for some characters giving an acting masterclass, a very cool villian and origin story (not really a villian but an adversary really) and some beautiful production design. For me though apart from that it was mostly just the opposite of the first one which is such a shame as it felt the good they had created in the first one was mostly undone but it was still entertaining in parts and to this what happens next.
Why was it "very emotional" watching the first Black Panther? It was a fine movie... but I don't recall it hitting any strong emotional chords. Was it emotional for you because a real life human man died?
Keep that in mind when watching the sequel. The death of the character T'Challa has no context... it is not earned... and has no narrative value. All of the emotion for the fictional narrative is derived from a real world event that is in no way related to the movie structure.
It is emotional manipulation in it's purest form. The movie is barely average w/o the emotion of Boseman's death driving it home.
Thank you Grace for including me in the Ticket Montage! I'm in Brazil🇧🇷 and We watched the movie in a crowded IMAX Theater, and it was one of the best and emotional experiences I've had watching a movie in recent years. Much Love from Brazil! 🇧🇷❤️ 30:07
Brasil loves NAMOR!!!!! 🥰🥰🥰💘💘
I was a “twice opening weekend” fan, now a “wait till streaming if word of mouth is good” fan.
As everyone should do (mean those who do the double or more viewings) ^^
I went to the first showing on Friday morning thinking we would miss the crowd and it was packed. There were tears(I could hear the sniffling) and I was a sobbing mess especially in the last few minutes and then clapping. I really enjoyed it and thought it was a great tribute to Chadwick Bozeman.
I literally had to choke back the tears before I broke down
I don’t think it’s an underperformance.
The movie is great. Grace is dumb sometimes
Because it's not lol. Look up other box office reports, no one else is saying that but her.
She’s saying that for clicks
Nope. The first Black Panther was a cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy.
@@c.b.5487 exactly. She literally said DC fans will smell blood in the water when WF passed Black Adams entire box office run in the opening weekend
Lyle Lyle is STILLL top 10? WOW...salute to Smile for holding strong. BP 2 was awesome. Very heartfelt. There was a certain scene that my theater (packed full) was dead silent. Very rarely does that happen.
Threaters are always silent lol your not suppose to make noice
Grace I live in Mexico and all the showing for Black Panther 2 were packed!
I just watched Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and I gotta say that I thought it was just okay. I was bored for about the first third, but it picked up a lot after that. However, while I like the characters, I don't love them. Angela Bassett is great as always, but I'm just not pumped to hang out with Shuri. Riri Williams is okay, but I didn't leave the film wanting more of her.
I think that's a big problem. If these characters never showed up again, I wouldn't really care. It remains to be seen if I'm in the minority on that, but when the first Iron Man was done, I DEFINITELY wanted more Tony Stark. When Civil War was over, I wanted more Black Panther. When The Avengers was over, I wanted more Loki. I didn't come out of this film wanting more of anyone.
Actually, that isn't true. I wanted more Namor, but it didn't leave me wanting more of any of the heroes.
I don't think grace understands how the writing of the Witcher is if she's saying that "he stayed for season 3 so I don't think the writing was that bad". Especially for Cavill that's a Witcher fan. I just imagine how mad Season 3 will be, just imagine cause I won't watch it like I didn't watch season 2 lol
It is a longer movie with an abundance of emotional and grieving scenes compared to the original where the quiet scenes are plot driven. Might hurt repeat viewing numbers.
That pretty much sums it up...
Yep it was boring as bat shit
I think times are tough, and folks are very cautious on how they spend their earnings in todays economy.. The 45 day window is also crushing imo, because I feel the public will just wait. It’ll be tough to return to billion dollars movies for many factors.. Covid scare, income, over saturation of content, etc. The next test will be Avatar, where I believe Cameron/Hollywood will learn a tough lesson.
I think you are making great points that are being dismissed too easily. We are not in the heyday of movie going. I think we are like in the Broadway/stage play transition. Going to plays/musicals was the big deal back in the day and then movies over took that. I think streaming is overtaking movie theaters.
I'm definitely refraining from purchasing entertainments and avoiding eating out. But if I had more money coming in, I'd be seeing a lot more movies and eating out, (especially after getting my bivalent booster nearly 3 weeks ago).
I am so surprised ppl still don't understand movies and other entertainment media should be made for the ppl who see them. All types of movies can exist, but not all ppl will be interested in all of them. I am not into romance movies but I don't try to stop ppl from seeing them or lobby to change that genre to be something I like.
I think Feige, the writers, producers and directors are on crack with Phase Bore.
Disneys biggest issue is it is trying to prop up its streaming service with its very short window between theatre and streaming. With the cost of living going up everywhere people may be saying “why pay X when I can wait 45 days and watch it online and the fact it’s nearly 3 hours means you can pause it and go back”.
I also agree with your sentiments about marvel being over saturated.
The big kicker will be if GoTG vol 3 does better since it’s Gunn’s swan song for Marvel and then he is moving to DC.
This movie was great. I saw it twice in the theater this weekend and plan on seeing it again next weekend. It made $180m in the first weekend and the topic is that it’s going to flop??? What kind of world do we live in that a $180m movie on the opening weekend is going to be a flop?
People thought it's a flop because it opened less than it's predecessor
A movie that costs $250m to produce and $150m to market. It needs a solid $800m plus to attempt to break even.
@@JohnSmith-tl8pq Most likely this movie will finish around the $850-$900 million range.
@@JohnSmith-tl8pq by that calculation, then Thor 4 is technically a flop then 🤔
Well it's all relative to their budget. A cheap horror film like Smile hasn't made nearly as much but it was so cheap to make, it's bringing in a huge profit. BP2 still needs to have good numbers in coming weeks to make back its budget and some of these superhero movies are really front loaded in terms of their box office.
More and more with superhero projects, the failures are coming down to the scripts in large part. Really worried about the future of the MCU if phase 5 already has a bunch of bad scripts. The writers room definitely needs some sort of revamp
The dialogue in the clip they released of Ironheart was atrocious and she is throwing things she can grab in her room!!!??? Couldnt someone so smart come up w something bttr than that? Apparently, the writers could not 😂.
@@elizabeths7520 you think you can do better by being in your mom’s basement and whine on TH-cam more than the professionals ?
The reason why is because it's such a long movie that's emotionally draining because of how sad it is I felt at times like I was in a funeral
GLAD THAT SHE IS FINALLY GIVING MARVEL A HARD TIME NOW!
The ones that made me watch the first Black Panther movie were Chadwick Boseman and Michael B Jordan and without them I honestly didn't felt any desire to watch the sequel
It honestly should have made more . But its just the 1st weekend . This movie WILL BREAK RECORDS! it was sold out EVERYWHERE In Tampa Florida
The first Black Panther was a cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy.
@@TheVeritas1 facts 💯
It didnt underperform. It just didnt overperform
💯
It made 380 globally
Nailed it.
Marvel humor and silliness was death by a thousand cuts for the MCU, with Phase 4 adding some knife jabs in the gut
I'm a comic book fan, and from the beginning, I didn't have as much interest when I heard T'Challa wasn't being recast. It seems like less of a Marvel product to me. In fact, many of these recent films feel less like a Marvel products.
I'll see it eventually, but I'll go to see a good Ryan Coogler movie to see a Black Panther movie.
Everyone reacted too emotionally to the death of Chadwick Boseman instead of doing it like Batman, Bond, and every other big "hero" in books. I'm just not as interested.
I liked Wakanda Forever. I had a few issues and a few moments took me out of the fantasy, but overall I think it is a strong sequel. The cast was brilliant 👏
Yeah I reviewed it earlier. I thought it was good but not better than the 1st.
What kind of hero dies to butt rot?
It was horrible actually
@@freeffree4133 Your taste is horrible.
I watched ‘wakanda forever’ and every seat was taken!! it was so packed!! A beautiful movie definitely going back to watch it this week 😭‼️
I believe in Black Panther 2 staying in the top 3 until Xmas even tho Avatar is right around the corner. I’m going to see it a third time this week. 🥳
There's a reason why only 2 movies this year made 1 billion
Yes, the pandemic did change things in peoples watching habbits and the sooner we all accept this the better. The Box Office won't return to 2018-19 standards any time soon
Plus China blocking the release of most Hollywood blockbusters. It's not surprising that 1 of those 2 billion dollar movies was lucky enough to be released there. It's insane that Grace says that a movie is not successful if it doesn't make $1B. Wakanda Forever had the same budget of Thor L&T and it will make more money than it (and they both went over their original budgets because they were shut down during the pandemic but still had more controlled budgets than the DC big movies)
Yea but The Batman definitely deserved a Billion more than Jurassic World Dominion 😂
I'm excited for Bones and All, as well as TÁR
5:29 aren’t you the one who said the more minorities the better because they go to the movies more or something like that? 🤦🏿♂️ Now this time it’s a bad thing because the box office is lower. This is what people were telling you.
The Fact that it didn’t open bigger than Doctor Strange 2 is def a CRACK.
that will be irrelevant when the total grosses are in. Im not guaranteeing it but I feel BP2 will make more at least domestically. spoiler culture played into doctor strange 2. I feel BP2 will have better rewatchability and it also attracts a wider audience. Doctor Strange 2 is definitely a MCU wider universe type film whereas BP2 is more standalone
The Batman And Wakanda Forever great films this year!!
There were several others too !
Superheroes that wear black and have pointy ears.
I think they announced this is Willis' last or one of his last roles due to illness, and he's been making these b-movies to help save up for his family or something.
You're forgetting the first Black Panther came out right before Infinity War.
Phase 3 was making a lot of money seemingly easy, but let's not forget that in a way it was the reward from building up the universe from 2008. There were great characters we all were invested in and a good overall story that was going up towards a climax with Infinity War and Endgame. Phase 4 however, is, in a way, like a new beginning it will take some time to get into another climax. The perfect analogy is investing in the stock market. Today the market can be low (bearish), but when you zoom out and see the big picture things will begin to take off towards another climax (bullish) if Marvel has a good general plan for this new era (like they did for phases 1,2, and 3).
Wakanda Forever is in my top 5 MCU movies because of its sophistication and execution. Very disappointing to hear about the Caucasian drop. It will be interesting to see next week's drop off. I'm going to see it again.
@Christina V. Bowers I guess through credit cards and remember percentages are percentages not actually figures
My friend who is black and myself who is Hispanic showed up on Friday... There were some white people in the theatre. Mind you we saw it in Dolby. I realized the other day that this is the first year I've seen all the Marvel movies. I think Multiverse of Madness was the strongest but I would put this one after it. I feel like this and Thor though had elements where they had a draft and decided to pivot off into a different direction. When we got out of the theatre though there were so many people of color all dressed up to see the movie. It was pretty cool to be honest.
The first Black Panther also lead into infinity war.
It also was a major cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy.
So, I'm not worried about BP2's box office future.
@@TheVeritas1 It was also unexpected.
She hulk definitely damaged the MCU big time. People were beginning to doubt Marvel after Eternals, then they began questioning after Thor Love and Thunder.. She Hulk then pushed them over the edge
These narratives drive me crazy... When a male dominated movie doesn't blow away expectations (in an era where the box office is lower across the board nonetheless) no one says it's a problem with male characters
$180 million dollars in a weekend has never even been seen by Spielberg - or Cameron (Avatar made its money over a long period of time)
Grace created the narrative and then just tries fit the numbers to it. She avoided the fact that the film set a record for November.
DCU - has *never* achieved this. So if this is not considered by MCU a huge success then they can forget about anything not called Avengers or Spiderman being ‘successful’.
@@zenla1033 exactly... And it made less than the original because as she herself has admitted in the past, the box office now is horrendous across the board everything movies are making ow would have made significantly more 3 years ago... Ppl have become accustomed to not leaving their house... I'm even seeing it in the clubs as a dj... Nowhere NEAR how it used to be years ago... There was a little boost after the pandemic when ppl were happy to be outside, but that's it
I saw wakanda forever for the second time this morning @8:45 AM and it was packed, all seats besides the front row had butts in them
Um....no shit. It's the opening weekend. What's so shocking about this? Christ...
@@th-sd6niumm that’s early, I go opening weekend early all the time for Marvel movies and most only have a few people in them. You are just an asshole lol. Take your dads duck out of your butt and maybe you’ll be more pleasant
My theatre was PACKED
Wakanda forever is doing just fine.
And it is.
Went yesterday. It was ok. Got very bored in parts. The running time is definitely way too long. Should have been 20-30 minutes shorter. Would have preferred it if it focused on Lupita Nyongo's character instead of Shuri. Not a big Letitia Wright fan. Also, Ironheart looked like a cheap power ranger toy.
I think alot of people were waiting to see if this was gonna be as bad as phase 4, id assume second weekend won't take a big dip
Agreed. Like myself, everyone I've talked with offline and online really enjoyed the film.
@@TheVeritas1 I Loved it 🤷. Can't wait to see it again.
I hope so. I knew I'd love it despite everything bad everywhere else, but I understand people waiting for word of mouth first. Thankfully this was not anything like the other material. There was only one thing that annoyed me and it was the "colonizer" thing with Ross. Nothing else in the movie grated with me or felt offensive. Even Riri Williams is more entertaining than I expected, considering how bad she is in the comics. This really was a great movie in my opinion.
@@TheVeritas1 it was amazing, bring tissues though, even non criers will cry at this one
@@ShadowPhoenix82 seriously about riri, this version of her made me so excited for her show, I loved this ironheart
I think it was a really good opening weekend for this movie. The actors all gave great performances and you only really needed to know about the 1st movie, not all the MCU movies. Angela Basset delivers the family moments.
That is true, it was a little more self contained and unconnected like a lot of the current MCU projects and acting was phenomenal, there should be some acting nominations and production design nominations for this movie but apart from that it was very mid tier MCU, unfortunately like a lot of Phase 4..
@@garydodd2837 no it isn’t and Phase 4 has been amazing !
Yeah Grace dont agree with this take. The predictions were 175 and the made 180 plus when the final # come in the MCU is the only studio making 140 mill + on there major movie releases consistently this year. I didn't expect this movie to break or come close to the original bc the lead actor was not in this movie. For what they had to go through making movie this movie they did great opening weekend and if they finish between 900 and a billy Marvel will be okay lol.
@schouse
Well said. Also, the first Black Panther was a major cultural event on par with Star Wars: A New Hope and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I never seen a sequel to a cultural event outgross its predecessor. However, such sequels still make money that make rivals turn green with envy.
Don't forget there is high inflation and a cost of living crisis around the world at the moment. That will have slowed box offices a bit.
yay! i counted 7 of us doing the ¡Líik'ik Talokan! sign! Namor, baby! loved Shuri taking on the Black Panther mantle. so excited about Michaela Coel, too. Coogler achieved something extraordinary yet again. everyone was phenomenal. Bassett, Nyong'o,etc. but to see our Mesoamerican flavor on the big screen in this way.. my heart is full! can't wait for more Namora, Namor, & M'Baku!
Cooglar along with the Russo’s are the MCU’s best directors.
MSHEU
Young Royals season 2 premiered at third place on Non-English TV shows. Fingers crossed that’s enough for a third season. 👑🤞
I didn't get to see Wakanda Forever this weekend cause my sister got married Friday! But I'll be there in those 2nd weekend numbers!!!
So did my cousin, Saturday!
@@sandal_thong8631 congratulations!
Carey Mulligan has become something of an issue driven filmmaker. I'm glad Promising Young Woman got its due but I still wish more people had seen Suffragette, a much more gritty and intense film than I expected..
My aunt went to see Black Panther Forever with her husband last night. She loved it. Not sure about her husband. I assume he liked it.
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So if this is "Sputtering" and "Being held together by rubber bands" I would love to know what you consider successful. If the most successful and consistent studio is getting this kind of rhetoric you MUST think the rest of the movie industry is an absolute dumpster fire.
It’s a record opening for November. Grace knows this.
I went on Thursday night and it was neck to neck and Shuri was beyond dope
I think we still feel the effects of the pandemic, even if the actual pandemic has died down. A lot of my friends are hesitant to go to movies, musea etc, mostly because they kinda forgot it was an option. We have become so used to working from home, and watching new movies from our couch for the past 2,5 years, that leaving home has a higher threshold than it used to.
They sure didn't feel it during Spiderman No Way Home!
Top gun destroyed that narrative. Go touch grass covid is over
The movie was GREAT, and it’s gonna have a phenomenal hold and make all the moneys
First time here in the Philippines, that a Marvel movie on it's 3rd day in theatres, there was no queue in ticketing counter. We filled the theater a third only of its capacity.
Grace, it isn't just about identity politics it is about an investment index called ESGs, E =environmental, S = Social AKA Identity Politics, G = Governance AKA speech control, so the whole thing is a total partisan division, companies that rank high in ESGs are Democrat companies like Disney and companies that rank low in ESGs are Republican companies like Tesla. So half of the country ain't interested. And not all people of color are into identity politics. I'm Mexican and I'm not into it.
So Disney due to ESGs has gone full political and full partisan.
Thanks Grace for featuring me in the ticket montage....it's a lovely feeling to share your joy with the whole world ... Here's to the movies
Simp
@@angelartcritic7846 nahin re….sachhai
Awesome opening but there’s no denying division has taken hold in the box office. It’s been like that for the last year or so.
The division is not the fault of anyone other than those who are boycotting a film because it doesn’t have enough white guys.
I’ve a lot of college deadlines atm so I’m not able to see it until next week, but I’ve heard great things! Happy to see all these glowing reviews for Angela Basset’s performance!!
100 percent my niece who I’ve watched all the movies with opening night since avengers is in college, we’re watching it next weekend to continue our tradition
She is pretty awesome
I live in Dubai and went to see the movie at 10pm on Friday at a theatre I knew wouldn’t be so crowded. And guess what, it was mostly empty. For a marvel movie precovid a theatre like this would have been atleast half full
Nothing is more useless then anecdotal claims of theater being packed or empty.
The Black Adam fans are still claiming ‘packed theaters’.
Lol. The film just broke the record for biggest November opening of all time.
That’s an objective fact.
@@zenla1033 it is. I’m just saying perhaps it wasn’t clear in my comment that we are still not to the capacity we used to be. I loved this movie but I don’t think people have been rushing to see it where I live as much as we did for earlier mcu movies
It's so weird that everyone thinks every marvel film needs to make a billion to be successful. Civil war, iron man 3, captain marvel and black panther are the only solo films to make a billion. Multiverse of madness made 955 million without china. Thor 4 sucked but made 760 million without china. Now Wakanda forever makes alittle less than the first because it's not coming out in some markets and now the sky is falling? Fandom gonna fandom
My only comment on Wakanda Forever is that when I saw Black Panther I felt it was a key step in the MCU journey heading towards Infinity Wars/End Game. Each Marvel movie was picking up a fervor building towards something I felt (and it was) going to be awesome. I felt I was on a journey. And, yes why Black Panther didn’t really deal with Thanos it was still very key in building Black Panther’s story. I loved Wakanda Forever and generally I liked all the Marvel movies (even Eternals). But, I just don’t know where Marvel is heading. I know Secret Wars is coming, but I am struggling to see how all the current stories fit. I am sure in hindsight we will know. I just feel like I am not on a journey for a big pay off yet.
I'm hoping that Phase 5 (next year) gets us back on track to where we are going. I think Phase 4 was alot of filler with no arc towards the future.
I agree. The Infinity War/Endgame build up played a key part in Black Panther success. In addition, the character made its debut in Cap: Civil War which was a billion-dollar movie that gave the character high visibility from which to piggyback off of.
Phase 4 is basically a soft reboot while introducing all new character moving forward.