I like how Avedis is holding a machine hammered cymbal, also the jazz guy is using modern A Customs. I guess it can't all be perfect, but I thought it was funny.
+Toby Lam And it was Sabian's president, Andy Zildjian, who was providing the translation of the last name (which wasn't exactly accurate, but nevertheless in the right direction; it's clear that he doesn't speak much Armenian, if any).
@S M I know that. I never said it was Armenian or not Turkish; I simply said that fellow doesn't speak much Armenian. I'm familiar with the cultural nuances of Ottoman-Armenians, as my grandparents were survivors of the Armenian Genocide. That said, my surname is also from Ottoman/Western Armenia; it's composed of two Turkish words plus the -ian suffix.
Kerope Zildjian had two turkish apprentices with him agop and mehmet when the ww1 ended they started a new cymbal company İstanbul and restrated the making of cymbals in turkey again
Played on an all purpose zildjian cymbal made in Turkey back in the 1970's. Will never forget it. Full bodied just like an expensive K. I was so lucky.
My godness.. This video is about history of Zildjian, not about genocide, war or whatever are all of you talkin about -_- ..... It's great video and I'm glad to see more of this stuff about drums etc :) (sorry for my mistakes, I do not speak english perfectly)
You will see the truth when you read Ottoman, Russian, German and American history archive about EXILE. It is NOT GENOCIDE what you call. It is called EXILE what Ottoman did. U.S.A. did it to Japan origined U.S. citizens just as a security precaution against potential riscs during Pearl Harbour attack of Japan. You will see how many Turkish were killed during the EXILE by the Armenian armed bands allying with Russians and French army. Read the history Mr. Anti-Turkish.
It's not about the Armenian genocide, but man those Turks killed more than a MILLION Armenians. It was not ethnic strife, it was ethnic cleansing. Zildjian got out before the 1915 slaughter, but so many Armenians did not. My grandma barely made it out.
the turks invented a lot of percussion, we ( western europe) actually didnt start implementing snare drums in classical/romantic music until the sounds of ceremonial turkish drums became popular. there probably exists no such thing as a cymbal that old. scrap metal and materiel were extremely sparse on the crusaders war path.
Not really right information. And not right translation as well: "smith" in armenian is and always was (darbin ) դարբին . And "son" - "vordi" or "tgha" . "Djan: - is a form of appeal. "dear, precious, best." You need to check information about Roman Havasi (gypsy) who were in Sullukule , region of Constantinople, from first century. From where they came there. Then, check info about Karatals . Nice video, but not right info.
Also "zil" is an Turkish word that was ignored in the video. Constantinople was the name of the city BEFORE the Ottoman Empire. As we are talking about Ottoman times we need to call her Istanbul not Constantinople. grave mistakes...
During the Ottoman time, its official name was KOSTANTINIYYE, they kept the name in order to honor the founder of the city. Greek population in town called it Istanbul which meant "to the city", then local Turks called it same way. Then in time, as local people called it like this, its official name was changed to İSTANBUL as it is more republican to call it so.
The Armenian Genocide did NEVER happen. Even the picture you showed in 2:13 was from the Siege of Medina in WWI, and the Pasha we see in front of his soldiers is Ömer Fahreddin Paşa (Rahmatullahi Aleyh), the leader who defended the Madinah for 2 years and 7 months without any supports sent from Islambol (Istanbul today). You cannot even say that Sultan Abdulhamid II was a bloody Sultan, who massacred the Armenians. Hellooo? One of the Sultan's best friends he had was an Armenian he had lost within a sad story
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I like how Avedis is holding a machine hammered cymbal, also the jazz guy is using modern A Customs. I guess it can't all be perfect, but I thought it was funny.
+Michael Davis
4:36 It's a Sabian OMNI, but hey, good program nonetheless
+Toby Lam And it was Sabian's president, Andy Zildjian, who was providing the translation of the last name (which wasn't exactly accurate, but nevertheless in the right direction; it's clear that he doesn't speak much Armenian, if any).
@S M I know that. I never said it was Armenian or not Turkish; I simply said that fellow doesn't speak much Armenian.
I'm familiar with the cultural nuances of Ottoman-Armenians, as my grandparents were survivors of the Armenian Genocide. That said, my surname is also from Ottoman/Western Armenia; it's composed of two Turkish words plus the -ian suffix.
A Customs can be jazz cymbals my dude. Blakey, DeJohette, and Al Foster all used to play Paiste 2002s. Just sayin'
@@mightymrmousempls not in the 1920's/30's like they were depicting lol.
Kerope Zildjian had two turkish apprentices with him agop and mehmet when the ww1 ended they started a new cymbal company İstanbul and restrated the making of cymbals in turkey again
It's funny how the ancient cymbals look exactly the same as the modern ones. lol
Avedis' cymbals were so perfect that nobody needed to change them until jazz took off.
@@shiningarmor2838kind of insane how they where machine hammered since 400 years ago
@@bruhspenning Yes the cymbals in the video are modern 'A's, but the ancient ones don't look much different.
Played on an all purpose zildjian cymbal made in Turkey back in the 1970's. Will never forget it. Full bodied just like an expensive K. I was so lucky.
How long does a cymbal last?
Like, when you make a documentary about cymbals and put so much effort into the costumes and backdrops but forget to use the right cymbals. C'mon
They said zildjian
In the beginning anyway
I feel like there are gonna be some epic 400th anniversary cymbals.
Thus began, the great war over the cymbals
4:37 pretty sure that isn't a Zildjian Cymbal.... Looks like a Sabian Omni Ride being played by Jojo Mayer who endorses Sabian...
Still same formula. Robert Zildjian started Sabian after Avedis III died and left everything to Armand, who was older.
+drummaman1 that is awesome! I have heard that before.
It can be an old cancelled series? I mean hybrid cymbals are common between manufacturers and look at the K custom hybrids zildjian makes as well
Jens Harald nah that's definitely an omni
It used the same formula, just a different name
I wish Zildjian would bring back the old cymbal logo.
My godness.. This video is about history of Zildjian, not about genocide, war or whatever are all of you talkin about -_- ..... It's great video and I'm glad to see more of this stuff about drums etc :) (sorry for my mistakes, I do not speak english perfectly)
you writing is very good . no problem. special just for you.
Is there a full version of this doc?
Where can I find the full document on this?
I can't tell if this is serius, or It's suposed to be funny, I just know that I love it.
Zildjian the best
Funny how Andy Zildjian is telling the story.
When he owns Sabian. The better side of zildjian that moved on and conquers them. Sabian>zildjian
Not Constantinople , It's Istanbul ;)
It's Constantinople, it belongs to Europe
@@tcaw8813 Nope, It belongs to Turkey for 400 years ;)
@@Vincent3942 I've heard that song.
Listen, even old New York was once New Amsterdam.
70th comment. So gold. 🥁
That guy is way too dark to be armenian, he looks Indian. They've never seen an armenian before?
eburcua armenians are kind of brunette they also looks like turkish people too.
equivalent exchange
Of course, the Armenian Genocide word is not mentioned, instead, the term "ethnic conflict" is used.
Are you deaf?
Torkom Movsesiyan Torkom jan indz misht tvacela vor zildjiani xekavarutyuny amachuma vor haykakan armatner unen , misht osmaniany aveli araj en dnum
You will see the truth when you read Ottoman, Russian, German and American history archive about EXILE. It is NOT GENOCIDE what you call. It is called EXILE what Ottoman did. U.S.A. did it to Japan origined U.S. citizens just as a security precaution against potential riscs during Pearl Harbour attack of Japan. You will see how many Turkish were killed during the EXILE by the Armenian armed bands allying with Russians and French army. Read the history Mr. Anti-Turkish.
@@alexro1967 stfu dude
@@Phxsphxrus Khojaly massacre google it.
so youre saying for the price of my car payment, I can have 1- 15" paper thin cymbal, that will last me 6 months. well id be a fool not to:)
It's not about the Armenian genocide, but man those Turks killed more than a MILLION Armenians. It was not ethnic strife, it was ethnic cleansing. Zildjian got out before the 1915 slaughter, but so many Armenians did not. My grandma barely made it out.
aha, google your Khojaly massacre
If the Zildjan family are Armenian and fled persecution from the turks, why are the cymbals Turkish and not Armenian?
Zildjian become historic music 🎶 symbol heritage from Armenian community 🇦🇲 🏔️🏔️
I only play Krut
I want cymbals originated from the Crusaders :))))
the turks invented a lot of percussion, we ( western europe) actually didnt start implementing snare drums in classical/romantic music until the sounds of ceremonial turkish drums became popular. there probably exists no such thing as a cymbal that old. scrap metal and materiel were extremely sparse on the crusaders war path.
Not really right information.
And not right translation as well: "smith" in armenian is and always was (darbin ) դարբին . And "son" - "vordi" or "tgha" .
"Djan: - is a form of appeal. "dear, precious, best."
You need to check information about Roman Havasi (gypsy) who were in Sullukule , region of Constantinople, from first century. From where they came there. Then, check info about Karatals .
Nice video, but not right info.
Also "zil" is an Turkish word that was ignored in the video. Constantinople was the name of the city BEFORE the Ottoman Empire. As we are talking about Ottoman times we need to call her Istanbul not Constantinople.
grave mistakes...
Atilla Batmaz it will always be Constantinople, just like the thousands of toponymes that were turkified under ataturk
@@Atilla_Batmaz ıt was also Called Constantinople in Ottoman times. Only Ataturk made it Istanbul
During the Ottoman time, its official name was KOSTANTINIYYE, they kept the name in order to honor the founder of the city. Greek population in town called it Istanbul which meant "to the city", then local Turks called it same way. Then in time, as local people called it like this, its official name was changed to İSTANBUL as it is more republican to call it so.
Zildjian, Sabian CEO lol
I was always convinced Zildjian cymbal were turkish. Waddashame....
Anything proclaimed turkish is not turkish. Even territory occupied by turks.
I'm a Sabian fanboy.
It all changed when the Swiss came along with Paiste.
I personally hate Paiste cymbals.
OfficerMarmalade I feel the same about Meinl.
Paiste are Estonians!
such crappy camera work
The Armenian Genocide did NEVER happen. Even the picture you showed in 2:13 was from the Siege of Medina in WWI, and the Pasha we see in front of his soldiers is Ömer Fahreddin Paşa (Rahmatullahi Aleyh), the leader who defended the Madinah for 2 years and 7 months without any supports sent from Islambol (Istanbul today). You cannot even say that Sultan Abdulhamid II was a bloody Sultan, who massacred the Armenians. Hellooo? One of the Sultan's best friends he had was an Armenian he had lost within a sad story
Although the picture might be incorrect you can't just claim that the Armenian Genocide didn't happen...
cool bro
noone asked, makes me think it is real
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