OHHHH, I'm so happy I found this guy! He's one of the real deals!! So many out there tryin' to make a name for themselves. However Mr. Dior is one to pay attention to. I HAD to "like" the first 10 seconds in..👍🏻👍🏻😁😁
What a wonderful presentation! At 9:12 Rick sounded exactly like Buddy Rich performing the beginning of "that rotten kid" I saw in an late 60s live show. This has to be one of the best presentations for old As I have ever seen! Each cymbal is unique and Rick's artistry brings out the best in each of them. Thanks for furthering my education with these wonderful vintage cymbals. I definitely like the old As more than the Ks, and I'm glad because the Ks are prohibitively expensive lol.
LOL! I remember those fiber trap cases! My brother's drummer( and my teacher)used to put his 22" ride on the reso side of the bass drum and turn afew tension rods to hold it in place and then the 18" crashes on the floor tom and hi hats on the snare and they all went into naughahyde cases with broken zippers! Great set of old A's Its what i grew up on and still use my 70's ride and hi hats.
Love those old A's! Thanks for breaking them out. I've been down the road with a number of different cymbal lines and brands, but I always come back to my vintage A's. They're really versatile and work in so many situations.
Back then, the Avedis line weren't even called "A" except when comparing them to the "K" models which Gretsch company imported from Turkey, and they didn't have painted logos or even the current laser stamped serial numbers. I know this because I still have mine that I bought in 1965. My Avedis hi hats came in a matched pair but it was before Louis Bellson started the trend of having the bottom cymbal heavier than the top by asking Zildjian company to do this for him. My bottom hi hat is lighter in weight than the top but has a deeper sound because of the lower profile and different lathing. The !op is 710 grams and the bottom is 685 grams. They still sound amazing in small venues with acoustic instruments and work wonderfully with brushes! The patina is amazing and they are still going strong!
Your videos are so very informative and inspiring! Unfortunately I’m now 38 and just started drumming two years ago - I wished I could have learned it since I was a child. You offer so much material, I would probably need a lifespan of 300 years to cover it all… One thing I can’t figure out is what makes a great cymbal? Of course there are those that I personally like and don’t like. But obviously there have to be some objective criteria that discern a good one from a bad one (like the mentioned hum-to-noise-ratio). I guess you don’t own bad cymbals, so some kind of a comparison video regarding this topic is probably not possible? Anyway, keep up your fantastic work, I really appreciate your efforts!
Hi I don't really have any bad cymbals but there are plenty of them out there. It really depends on the type of music you are playing. A thick heavy ride cymbal might be good for rock music but would not sound so good for playing jazz and vice versa. That being said you want an instrument with a nice even decay and no harsh overtones. I am partial to thinner darker cymbals but that's a personal preference.
Hey Rick- thanks for Wisdom! Any thoughts on Newer "Vintage-esque Replicant" cymbals made such as Kerope-Avedis dynamic or even others trying to replicate this great ole sound?
Hi I have heard some that sound great, but they do not sound like the old ones to me. Probably because of the dirt and age. The formula and metal quality could have changed as well (more pure, less pure etc.).
So hopefully some day I may wish to have u give a look and listen to a great A that Dave Black Gave me shortly before he passed.He also gave me a picture of DUKE Ellington sitting behind Dave's Double Bass Drum set and With Dave looking on as The Great Ellington Played this cymbal..!Am still learning how to play it correctly!!Please reach out to me if u wish as I really enjoyed your video and expertise!!
I had several old Avedis, I've sold most of them, I still keep only two Block Stamp from about 1955. an 18" and a 22". Those are untouchable, the 18" is my primary crash. Ah, yes, and a 10" splash from the 60s. The rest is EAK collected over the years with some luck. I only regret selling a 22" Deep Ride, a Hollow Logo from the 70's, that was really good.
I too, had a lovely 22" Deep Ride that I bought new in 1980. I think Zildjian had just introduced them. Like a dummy, I traded it off for a new Paiste 2002 22" Ride. Two entirely different pies, but I wish I had the Deep Ride back. It was so nice and versatile and the best Ride I ever owned or played.
What kind of hearing protection do you use there, mr. Dior? It looks like just one of those bog standard foam plugs and I'm wondering how you can make those work? For me they change the sound so much, I feel they also change the sound of my touch, like the "inner mixing board" so to say. Is it just the many many years of playing that ingrained the right touch for the right sound for you, that allows you to play with such a great balance?
Hi I use all sorts of ear plugs from the custom molded type to these foam plugs. I like the foam plugs for drumset since most of the custom molded plugs only reduce the sound 25 dbs or so, while the foam ones reduce over 30 dbs. If you look at my health and wellness playlist, I have a video on earplugs and hearing protection. Thanks
Hi Rick, great video. Ive got a question. I saw a great deal online for an old A 50s small stamp 22 ride but was wondering if 2771 is too heavy for a jazz ride. Thanks!
Any chance you have any EAK cymbals in your collection..? Or any thoughts on them in particular…? I’m a new subscriber and I am enjoying your videos immensely.
Hello! Im a big fan of the 50s a, I've managed to get my hands a set. An 18 thin crash, a medium thin 20 ride and thin 14 inch hats. I was just wondering on how you deal with nicks on the edge. My hats are fine but my 18 and 20 have some minor nicks all around, how do you deal with that? Do you just sand the edges or leave em be? I really love my cymbals and I'm really determine to make em last. I'd really appreciate your input.
Hey Rick do you collect the Zilco by Azco cymbals ? I believe they are A rejects, I have one its an 18" with no hammering, I love it, sounds jazzy as 😊
Great touch and phenomenal sounds, Rick. My students have played some of your compositions and they've played a part in helping build our program. Cheers!
Hi Rick - quick question... Could a 20" Zildjian A Ride from the 1960s be as light as 1700g? Or would that more likely make it a crash/ride or maybe just a 20" crash? Enjoy your videos!
Hi That's very light for a 20. That's a crash cymbal. You could ride on it, but it will be washy. It might make a great sizzle cymbal if you pop some rivets in it.
Hey Rick what kind/ brand of drums are you playing there? I dont recognize the square badge. Nice playing by the way; those are some of the very nicest A. Zildjians I've ever heard.
I can't believe how good those Catalinas sound! Even the 16" bd... I've been buying up old A's and keeping some. Recently purchased a 'block stamp' 50's 22" ride that is just killer. I've been iso a 24" like yours. Hard to come by or the prices are through the roof! Love your chops! I am subscribed!
Have you had a chance to play on or develop an opinion on the modern “Avedis” vintage style cymbals designed to sound the “old” A’s? I think Zildjian released them a few years ago. I love the sound of A style cymbals from all the brands, especially Sabian AA’s. I feel like it’s such a ubiquitous sound for all styles. But I’m also a sucker for the darker side too, especially my Sabian HH’s. My cymbal setup always include both types of cymbals. I feel it provides a wider palette of tonal colors than having all cymbals from one series. Off the top of my head I know Peter Erskine usually plays New Beats with K and K Con rides. I saw Keith Carlock in December 2021 playing 2 big K Cons on the right (as both crashes and rides), and an A Custom crash on the left. It was a fantastic contrast in both color and pitch. I couldn’t tell what hats he was playing, but I think he usually plays modern K’s.
Hi Andy I have tried them, and they are really nice, but they are nothing like the older cymbals I have here in my opinion. They are brighter which probably has a lot to do with the dirt and age of these cymbals. The ones I tried were also heavier than these.
OHHHH, I'm so happy I found this guy! He's one of the real deals!! So many out there tryin' to make a name for themselves. However Mr. Dior is one to pay attention to.
I HAD to "like" the first 10 seconds in..👍🏻👍🏻😁😁
Beautiful playing and they sound so mellow and dry.
What a wonderful presentation! At 9:12 Rick sounded exactly like Buddy Rich performing the beginning of "that rotten kid" I saw in an late 60s live show. This has to be one of the best presentations for old As I have ever seen! Each cymbal is unique and Rick's artistry brings out the best in each of them. Thanks for furthering my education with these wonderful vintage cymbals. I definitely like the old As more than the Ks, and I'm glad because the Ks are prohibitively expensive lol.
sounds Wonderfull. I still have my early 60 for over 40 years now
the drums and cymbals sound great, and your playing is awesome !
LOL! I remember those fiber trap cases! My brother's drummer( and my teacher)used to put his 22" ride on the reso side of the bass drum and turn afew tension rods to hold it in place and then the 18" crashes on the floor tom and hi hats on the snare and they all went into naughahyde cases with broken zippers! Great set of old A's Its what i grew up on and still use my 70's ride and hi hats.
Wow, absolutely love that classic A main ride! Not too dark, not too bright.
Love your ald As Rick! I am an avid collector and have many trans stamps and the large block and small 50s stamps. Lovely stuff!
came for the cymbals stayed for the playing
Love those old A’s, I grew up playing those! 👍
I just got a 1960's Z Avedis 22 inch; that 24 inch of yours sounds amazing!
Congratulations on the Drummer World listing. Well deserved.
Beautiful collection and tasty playing skills!
Love those old A's! Thanks for breaking them out. I've been down the road with a number of different cymbal lines and brands, but I always come back to my vintage A's. They're really versatile and work in so many situations.
Back then, the Avedis line weren't even called "A" except when comparing them to the "K" models which Gretsch company imported from Turkey, and they didn't have painted logos or even the current laser stamped serial numbers. I know this because I still have mine that I bought in 1965. My Avedis hi hats came in a matched pair but it was before Louis Bellson started the trend of having the bottom cymbal heavier than the top by asking Zildjian company to do this for him. My bottom hi hat is lighter in weight than the top but has a deeper sound because of the lower profile and different lathing. The !op is 710 grams and the bottom is 685 grams. They still sound amazing in small venues with acoustic instruments and work wonderfully with brushes! The patina is amazing and they are still going strong!
@@boomerguy9935
I’m jealous.
Sounds great man! Cymbals and whole kit sound good. Nice touch
Your videos are so very informative and inspiring! Unfortunately I’m now 38 and just started drumming two years ago - I wished I could have learned it since I was a child. You offer so much material, I would probably need a lifespan of 300 years to cover it all…
One thing I can’t figure out is what makes a great cymbal? Of course there are those that I personally like and don’t like. But obviously there have to be some objective criteria that discern a good one from a bad one (like the mentioned hum-to-noise-ratio). I guess you don’t own bad cymbals, so some kind of a comparison video regarding this topic is probably not possible? Anyway, keep up your fantastic work, I really appreciate your efforts!
Hi
I don't really have any bad cymbals but there are plenty of them out there.
It really depends on the type of music you are playing. A thick heavy ride cymbal might be good for rock music but would not sound so good for playing jazz and vice versa.
That being said you want an instrument with a nice even decay and no harsh overtones. I am partial to thinner darker cymbals but that's a personal preference.
Beautiful video and grest playing!
Beautiful playing
Thank you.
That 24 is amazing perfectly dark. The 22 and 20 are nice too 🙂👌
Luv it . .. that sound and your playing sir, it's a wonderful combination, i have to say.
That 24 inch ride has a sound. I would call it Throaty. Great video, love your channel!
Thanks Matt
Hey Rick- thanks for Wisdom! Any thoughts on Newer "Vintage-esque Replicant" cymbals made such as Kerope-Avedis dynamic or even others trying to replicate this great ole sound?
Hi
I have heard some that sound great, but they do not sound like the old ones to me. Probably because of the dirt and age. The formula and metal quality could have changed as well (more pure, less pure etc.).
So hopefully some day I may wish to have u give a look and listen to a great A that Dave Black Gave me shortly before he passed.He also gave me a picture of DUKE Ellington sitting behind Dave's Double Bass Drum set and With Dave looking on as The Great Ellington Played this cymbal..!Am still learning how to play it correctly!!Please reach out to me if u wish as I really enjoyed your video and expertise!!
Hyvin inspiroivaa! Well played and recorded.
I had several old Avedis, I've sold most of them, I still keep only two Block Stamp from about 1955. an 18" and a 22". Those are untouchable, the 18" is my primary crash. Ah, yes, and a 10" splash from the 60s. The rest is EAK collected over the years with some luck. I only regret selling a 22" Deep Ride, a Hollow Logo from the 70's, that was really good.
I too, had a lovely 22" Deep Ride that I bought new in 1980. I think Zildjian had just introduced them. Like a dummy, I traded it off for a new Paiste 2002 22" Ride. Two entirely different pies, but I wish I had the Deep Ride back. It was so nice and versatile and the best Ride I ever owned or played.
Forgot to mention that the Deep Ride I bought in 1980, also had the hollow logo.
Another good oerson to listen to to experience that old A sound is Max Roach. I believed he mostly used old A's.
What kind of hearing protection do you use there, mr. Dior? It looks like just one of those bog standard foam plugs and I'm wondering how you can make those work?
For me they change the sound so much, I feel they also change the sound of my touch, like the "inner mixing board" so to say.
Is it just the many many years of playing that ingrained the right touch for the right sound for you, that allows you to play with such a great balance?
Hi
I use all sorts of ear plugs from the custom molded type to these foam plugs. I like the foam plugs for drumset since most of the custom molded plugs only reduce the sound 25 dbs or so, while the foam ones reduce over 30 dbs. If you look at my health and wellness playlist, I have a video on earplugs and hearing protection.
Thanks
you are one amazing drummer!
Thank you
Hi Rick, great video. Ive got a question.
I saw a great deal online for an old A 50s small stamp 22 ride but was wondering if 2771 is too heavy for a jazz ride.
Thanks!
Hi
That sounds like it is about 200 grams too heavy.
The old As sound much better when they are thinner. 2500 grams and under.
Any chance you have any EAK cymbals in your collection..? Or any thoughts on
them in particular…? I’m a new subscriber and I am enjoying your videos immensely.
Hello! Im a big fan of the 50s a, I've managed to get my hands a set. An 18 thin crash, a medium thin 20 ride and thin 14 inch hats. I was just wondering on how you deal with nicks on the edge. My hats are fine but my 18 and 20 have some minor nicks all around, how do you deal with that? Do you just sand the edges or leave em be? I really love my cymbals and I'm really determine to make em last. I'd really appreciate your input.
This video shows how I repair edge damage
th-cam.com/video/bHYRkZCc84w/w-d-xo.html
Hey Rick do you collect the Zilco by Azco cymbals ? I believe they are A rejects, I have one its an 18" with no hammering, I love it, sounds jazzy as 😊
I have a few of those.
Some of them are pretty nice...different.
A random stumble upon your video th-cam.com/video/p54gH4BQofc/w-d-xo.html from years ago. Brought me here. Great to see you`re still making videos.
Great touch and phenomenal sounds, Rick. My students have played some of your compositions and they've played a part in helping build our program. Cheers!
Thanks Gary
I really appreciate you playing my pieces.
Hi Rick - quick question...
Could a 20" Zildjian A Ride from the 1960s be as light as 1700g? Or would that more likely make it a crash/ride or maybe just a 20" crash?
Enjoy your videos!
Hi
That's very light for a 20. That's a crash cymbal. You could ride on it, but it will be washy.
It might make a great sizzle cymbal if you pop some rivets in it.
@@rickdiorThanks so much for the reply, its much appreciated! 👍
Hey Rick what kind/ brand of drums are you playing there? I dont recognize the square badge. Nice playing by the way; those are some of the very nicest A. Zildjians I've ever heard.
Hi
The equipment specs are in the video description. Thanks for watching.
Amazing !
I can't believe how good those Catalinas sound! Even the 16" bd... I've been buying up old A's and keeping some. Recently purchased a 'block stamp' 50's 22" ride that is just killer. I've been iso a 24" like yours. Hard to come by or the prices are through the roof! Love your chops! I am subscribed!
If you are looking for some check out Gerry Porter. He goes by Hazzleshould (spelling?) Online.
Great selection.
great man! I just talk to some guy ho is selling an avedis ride 20" from the 50´s. weight 2250gr . that's a good weight or are lighter ones?
Hi Pablo
That weight is just a bit heavy. My 20" 50's A's are thin, around 1900 to 2050 grams.
Can you get a sound file of the cymbal?
Thanks!
What's the size of the 1940's splash?
The splash is 11"
Have you had a chance to play on or develop an opinion on the modern “Avedis” vintage style cymbals designed to sound the “old” A’s? I think Zildjian released them a few years ago.
I love the sound of A style cymbals from all the brands, especially Sabian AA’s. I feel like it’s such a ubiquitous sound for all styles. But I’m also a sucker for the darker side too, especially my Sabian HH’s. My cymbal setup always include both types of cymbals. I feel it provides a wider palette of tonal colors than having all cymbals from one series.
Off the top of my head I know Peter Erskine usually plays New Beats with K and K Con rides. I saw Keith Carlock in December 2021 playing 2 big K Cons on the right (as both crashes and rides), and an A Custom crash on the left. It was a fantastic contrast in both color and pitch. I couldn’t tell what hats he was playing, but I think he usually plays modern K’s.
Hi Andy
I have tried them, and they are really nice, but they are nothing like the older cymbals I have here in my opinion. They are brighter which probably has a lot to do with the dirt and age of these cymbals. The ones I tried were also heavier than these.
@@rickdior Master Roberto Spizzichino in person once told me: "You should never clean cymbals. I get them dirty on purpose". He was right.
Absolutely beautiful!
Thank u!!!
If you'd allow, for 20:20 I found this amazing Joe Morello solo that I can relate to your frame of reference.
th-cam.com/video/ULLvIlgl20Q/w-d-xo.html
That's one of my favorite Joe solos.
Great audio and video, and you really can hear his great musicality.
Franco DAL MONEGO