REVIEW: SHINKO 804 805 Dual Sport Tire Set - ONE OF THEM IS A NO GO
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- After 5 sets I'll never buy them both again. The Reason WHY that I never hear anyone talk about.
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Why TO and NOT TO Buy Shinko 804-805 Big Block Dual Sport Adventure Tires is a new Shinko 804 805 review on the dead horse topic of the Shinko Big Blocks. BUT I never hear anyone bring this point up when talking about dual sport tires as it relates to the 804 805’s. Which is odd because after running these adventure tires for 5 whole sets I’ve had the same experience every time. It’s a pretty significant point so I decided to go ahead and do the review. Hope you get some valuable data that helps you with your selection of dual sport adventure tires
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They did ok on the Versys X but we never had it in heavy heat conditions like you are talking about.
That they did. And did good on F800 too until the dang heat wave.
I am running them now on my f800gs. I find the front really nervous on the highway compared to the e09 and e07 which i previously ran. Grip appears to be better offroad than the e07 but not the e09 (obviously as it is 80% off road.) Not sure i would do the shinkos again though the price is right.
I’m looking into the E09. Have heard great things. The 804 805’s have only ever been great... for the price. A lot of flaws in their game. A decent tire but has it shortcomings
@@StoryMotoADV i agree. Just be prepared for the e09s short life. I got about 2500-3000 km out of it
Stephen Sherwin even on the front?
@@StoryMotoADV i could have gotten more out of the front, maybe 1000 to 1500 but had a road trip to do that was entirely paved
decent info but dang, you gotta mount that camera on a fixed part, like the bike. The shaky cam side t0 side OMG...got seasick after a couple minutes! lol
Florida to Colorado? Well of course they wore down - you were climbing uphill the whole way!
Its 200 bucks a pair, and excellent off road, just buy a second rear to take with you.
Ya there is merit to the tire. Just not down with the heat susceptibility you know
must be really small sized tires at 200 a pair?? OR the price has sky rocked in one year? Rear alone for my bike is 150....
Welp, I just got a pair of these for 150 bucks :D Although I might not even run into the same problem as you, so I'll consider myself lucky. I've got SM wheels to swap out with for when I'm doing long rides and I'm in new england so it rarely even gets that hot here. And as always, thanks for all this excellent content!
Thanks man. Ya. I was pretty harsh to the tire in that video. It’s true what I said but I should’ve given them more credit. It’s a decent and super fair priced tire but it is susceptible to heat for certain. And those dang shallow cuts. Other than that it’s a good tire. I hope you get some life out of them. If you’ve never had them before let me know what you think of them after a time.
Have you noticed any excessive wear in hot weather riding on the 805? ( Like way more than normal)
I came to the same conclusions that you did on the 804 and 805. I have them mounted on my Tiger 800. Rode 5 hours on the interstate across Georgia in August and roasted the rear. It was in the 90s and when I stopped for gas the rear looked like I had been doing burnouts. When I rode back home it was cool and rainy and didn’t have the same issue. The 805 is definitely susceptible to high-heat. Also agree with the poor side grip. They do great in the sand and loose dirt. At least they step out predictably so it’s not a surprise to me when it happens.
On the other hand I had the exact same problem with the much more expensive TKC80. Hot weather and asphalt just seems to decimate big block treads.
That’s a fact man. Softer compounds just get munched by heat. I’d imagine that a hard compound block is kind of dangerous you know. A lot of slidey knob edges you know. So while I do get that a softer compound is likely the way to go there it certainly does destroy the tire life potential.
This is how I feel about the Bridgestone AX41. I have a Honda CRF300l and I turned it into a slick in 1000 miles. Ridiculous.
I pretty much agree, I loved these tires at first, I could corner like a hooligan scraping pegs, and could tear it up offroad. But after about 3,000 miles the rear was flat across the middle! I guess thats what happens with soft rubber! Im gonna give the Mitas E07 rear a try next.....
Be sure to look for the DAKAR. the E07+ is a good tire but it doesn’t last as long as the E07 standard or Dakar. Note that when you are shopping. What bike and tire size is it?
I’m going to disagree.I live in Phoenix and ride in above 100 degree weather. I have run Kenda Big Blocks , TKC 80’s and now the Shinko 804/. 805. I get more mileage on my rear 805 than the TKC or the Kendas. My last rear on my Africa Twin lasted 4,500 and could have gone 5,000 but I was going on a big trip so I changed it. I got similar mileage with the Shinkos on my F800 GS. I have heard about the side traction issue but only in mud or wet grass. On pavement I have not had an issue. I have heard great things about the Mitas and have considered them. I do hear they get excellent mileage. I have read reviews that the EO7 plus or Dakar is not as good as the original which had the center rib down the middle. Nice video, keep them coming
A lot of people love the 805 and I really did too. What I ran into ultimately is that when that siping does wear down... Which happens at about 25-30% worn... the tire has no lateral grip factors remaining. In hairy hard turns it slips. Not like steady drifting slip, I’m talking about a jerky slip you know.... an announced one that makes you nearly crap your pants.
I am thinking there is NO WAY you riding on ANYTHING like the fireroads etc here in southern california....or you ride at a snails pace....I am slow as hell compared to others and got less than 1k miles out of my rear TKC80....I just dont understand how all you guys are getting thousands of miles on these tires unless you are riding slow as hell or something???
I would expect alot of wear on a tire designed for 60% off road use when traveling a thousand miles on the highways. It's not surprising. Knobbies never last long on the road.
Someone needs to develop a spray on armor for center knobs lol....can you imagine? Put the bike on stand start her up in gear letting the tire spin and take the "KNOB Armor" rattle can and spray the center knobs....1/4 can saves 500 miles of wear ...lol....I would buy the stuff by the case!
interesting I was looking at this tires for my cb500x and future have ktm690/701 but the 804 front is good price like you said. and I didnt know about the sipping. i thought it was all the way through. might stick with tkc then. so what kind of mileage you get with E 07? ont he 690
Check out the Mitas line too for the rear. The E07 is a great tire. When you thinking about getting the 690 / 701?
I didn’t see the end of your comment sorry. On my f800 I got about 9k. Granted it was gone but that’s a chunk. On my 690 I’m at around 4K with 50+ % left. Those were hard hot heavy ride miles too.
They SUCK terrible 😞 side traction
got really good mileage (10k)out of my last 805 though not a lot of hot long distance riding.(Vstrom 650) however, the 804 up front scalloped and cupped quite a bit by 10/ 11K. it's still on there, road range doesn't seem to affect it much but I'm. swapping it out . these tires were more Florida Road than sand and dirt
These narrow 'gaps' pissed me off I almost grabbed an angle grinder with the 4½" disc to open'em up!! 😅
just finding a bunch of comments I havent seen. Been using my app and am a laptop now finding loads of unanswered comments. Im so sorry man. ya, that would do the deal!! haha
Don’t you think any dual sport tyre will rapidly evaporate above 100?
I wonder if the compound has changed or if the sizes with the higher load ratings has a different compound? I just did 800+ miles (400 of those in 101f temps by death valley) on my 1250GS and the rear seems normal in regards to wear. Yes it did show some wear but so did the Karoo IIIs I took off (the karoos actually wore faster) earlier this year (I hated those tires on pavement).
I just got done watching a review of these tires from another guy who had them on a triumph tiger who said he did 60%-40% road-trail in ARIZONA (hot) and had 5,000 miles on the tires without hitting the tread sensors and gave a great review. I just don’t feel like “I recked my bike” and “my tread went fast” is empirical enough evidence to shit on these tires, but maybe that’s just because I’m really looking forward to putting them on my bike and don’t want to face the truth lol I think anyone should expect these tires to wear faster than true street tires on hot asphalt because that’s not what they’re meant for. I’ll definitely be putting them on my bike and I’ll go let you guys know what I find out.
I Agee the 805 does have side traction issues I think it’s a ok rear for riders that don’t ride fast off road , and obviously doesn’t last that long my rear was gone at around 3000 miles . I also agree that the front is better, lasts longer but still has side traction issues. But the the 50/50 rider ( or less ) good for the price . Theses days I’m a BIG fan of the Motoz Rear Iv used the Motoz Tractionatior ADV its pretty good off road ( until your down to the last 500 mile wear ) and good on road quite ( but not good on wet asphalt) I am now running the Motoz Desert HT fantastic grip off road “ in all terrain “ but noisy as hell on road . I’m about to try the Motoz Rallz- it supposed to be the perfect off and on road by all reviews. Front I swear by the M21 a tyre that’s been around for years and it’s fantastic on and off road in all conditions it doesn’t look like it would be on but IS . And long wear .
I agree with every word you said man. Including the Motoz interests. I am going to check them out. Which do you recommend I should try - KTM 690, pretty aggressive riding style and get in some hairy stuff from time to time. But still do heavy miles paved miles also -- any input to that is appreciated. About the riding styles and how the 805 performs.... you hit BINGO. HA. A lot of people agreed and disagreed with my take on FB. It occurred to me that if a rider isn’t prone to push the bike they won’t experienced the shortcomings of that tire. So it only makes sense that many would disagree in the genre of adventure riding because many don’t ride aggressively like those of us that dual sport adventure tour as we call it. About the M21. I ran it once and loved its performance. It cupped really bad really quickly though so I never ran it again.... however.... in retrospect I don’t think I gave it a fair shake. I think I was to blame and at the time didn’t factor that. I recall on that trip being really bad about returning my pressure to normal after getting out of the dirt. The trip had very high paved miles too. I think I may have destroyed it myself running it long and hard on pavement with very low pressure. I might give it another whirl. Are there any of the Motoz as a set that you recommend or just the rears. I haven’t ran an actual matched set of tires in literally 18 years. Haha. It’d be interesting to find one
@@StoryMotoADV What pressures do you run off road?
Sorry noobie rider here riding a 2021 KLX300sm, this M21 tire, who makes it? Also wanted to ask about the tire pressure you run.
@@KyronCunninglinguist Michelin M21 Rallycross front fantastic and Dunlop D606 Rear “ perfect 👍 combo for small to mid weight Dual sport and ADV bikes .
@@StoryMotoADV if your doing say 50/50 riding I would go the Motoz Rallz rear or Golden GT 723/823 and I still love my M21 front .But your right about putting your pressures back up . I generally just leave my pressures around 25 -30 psi rear now as with heat that will increase around 3 psi , front around 20 psi . ( unless I’m riding desert 🏜 sand or real sloppy red clay mud . But the Dunlop D606 is cheaper than the Rally and Goldentyre and performance there isn’t much in it . It will only last around 500 miles less . But as we have said mate this can all change on style of riding , terrain , how mush asphalt you do etc and how much you spin up the rear wheel . M21 rears are CRAP 💩, don’t last . My mates ride T7, Husky 701 , 790,890 KMT’s DR650, and then our enduro bikes KTM 500,s etc . So we always throw our comments around to each other on tyres .
Nice review, I haven't heard about the heat influencing the wear on these. They seemed pretty durable on my buddy's Africa Twin but I have heard about the poor lateral traction. Guess I'll keep running TKC80's for now...
Thanks man. I had a lot of people agree and disagree with my take on Facebook. Lots of folks and lots of riding styles out there. I think it’s a matter of riding style more than anything. People who don’t push their bike don’t ever feel it slip. People that do, do. I think that ends up being the bottom line on the matter you know. Some people are doing the Long Way Around thing, while others are doing the Toby Price thing. Haha. Big difference there in how a tire will perform. The heat thing surprised me too because I’d ran several sets before I made that discover on a particularly hot trip.
@@StoryMotoADV I agree, lots of riding styles and skill levels out there. The type of bike is also a huge factor, a guy riding a R1250GS isn't going to be leaning over and railing corners like a guy on a WR250R. I may still give one a try on the KLR.
@@StoryMotoADV how is the e-07 for lateral traction, have you dealt with angled mud surfaces since those are the bane of my existence, sideways angles always slide me bad .
Not used these tires but agree with your thoughts on the 805 tread pattern not offering good lateral grip off road.
I ran a set of Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR on 1200GS. Great road tire. So-So off road with FA lateral grip.
The 804 tread pattern looks OK but the 805 looks exactly like the Pirelli rear, with likely the same lack of lateral grip.
It makes me wonder how much test riding tires get before being released.
I agree man. When I first got the tire I was like.... hmmm.... I’m no engineer but that looks prone to some serious slippage as time goes on. I had a lot of people on Facebook disagree swearing it holds for them as well as any tire. The fact would be that their riding style doesn’t push the tire because the truth of the matter, objectively, is that there is nothing left to hold it very soon into the tires tread life. It’s not an opinion or subjective observation. Haha. There’s nothing there but racing slicks for lateral hold. Great paddles for forward movement... but side to side... notta . Thanks for the input brudda. Ride well
What psi did you run in the rear? Iam guessing you had a low pressure. Never heard of them wearing that quickly
Never ran em. But have the K270. good tire too for the price
Always loved the 270 and ran it on my KLR for 8 years AFTER trying all the fancy brands for 4 years prior. Hated the front but loved the rear. The front just wasn’t aggressive enough.
k270 rear is nice but the front is awful. It will throw you off in dirt ruts because there is no sidewall traction
It’s not siping, it’s there to allow the big connected tread blocks to flex when they’re new and thick. After they’re worn down a bit, that isn’t needed any more.
Hmm maybe it was the heat that destroyed my brand new TKC80.....which is SO worn down in less than 1k miles! REALLY bummed but if it was the summer heat at least I feel a little better knowing there was at least a REASON! Cause other guys are claiming to get thousands out of theirs! And thing is I am OLD lol....NOT fast! In the club I ride with I am always bringing up the rear and lucky to be a little quicker than a few other really pathetically slow riders...I mean this 690 spins the back tire even being careful,,I guess I could keep it on full nanny TC but that is obnoxious
Hi... about the size for GS 1200... the shinko 120 front are Radial and the mitas 805 170 rear are nylon... I m not sure about one Radial and one Nylon... the mixt are good ??
They both kinda suck , not horrible but I won’t buy them again, I’d rather get a 705’s set and keep a set of Motoz’s in the garage for more off-road
I ride a lot around Vegas with a friend who runs. He complains about heat causing it to wear down prematurely too. Moreso even than other tires I mean.
I think it has A LOT of fans because it really does check up on and off road. That fact increases it consumer base. I think it does so well on road because it is a soft rubber compound. It’s really sticky. But I also think that’s it’s high heat conditions down fall too. If more people really ran that tire in heavy heat I think it would be more well known that the tire is susceptible to it.
80 bucks on Amazon for a tire groover. Solves the 805 problem.
how well does grooving the tire work?
@@MericanSlav it doesn’t change the characteristics of the tire. Will notice a 5% improvement in traction off-road.
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Would you share a bit more about the e07 and 804 combo?
Sure man. What would you like to know?
are the mitas e07 a 50-50 tire?
I'll let you know in a couple of months
What bike you running them on? Don’t get me wrong it’s a good tire, hell a great tire if the price is factored but I just can’t forgive that loss of lateral traction when that siping wears. And the heat makes it happen fast you know. I’d be curious to hear your take on it man. Keep us posted if you remember or have the time. Hope they serve you well.
@@StoryMotoADV A KLR. I need to wear them down some as you suggested but so far so good
I am riding a new set today from Dallas to Missouri and back. I will let you know in a few daya
It’s been a year. How’d it go
What pressure were you running at? I found it was a much better tire at lower pressure, handled better, much quieter and worn less quickly. Hard to beat for the price but might just try that Mitas.
Across the board pretty much. Low on dirt, higher on pavement. I do like the tire but that lateral traction issue is a deal killer. You really should try the Mitas. Such a great tire man. Let me know if you do.
I live in Washington and don't go outdoors if it's above 85°F😉
Love the 804 front, I find the Michelin Anakee Adventure a good rear for my Super Tenere.