he knew how to make sonic records, meaning he knew what the radio liked at the time. i mean the black album was ahead of its time, 1991? more like 1997 or somthing
Exactly right...I've been saying this for years.... problem is most music fans have no fucking clue how a record is really made. And bull fucking shit he "couldn't be fired" The band didn't "let him win"...lol...give me a fucking break. This is fucking metallica. James and Lars are fucking nazi's when it comes to their sound and what they release. Of course rock suggests ideas but rock does not write the songs. He produces what the band gives him. Suggests different arrangements, parts here and there etc...and then gets them a tone they like. People who whine about rock don't seem to understand he didn't write the music. This IS the direction metallica WANTED to go in. Not a direction Rock gave them. They were sick of the multi time, multi change 20 different things in one song, format they had done for basically a decade and 4 albums prior to that. They WANTED to go more "straight ahead." And let's be real here......Justice may have way better songs than the black album, but Justice sounds like absolute shit. One of the worst produced major albums in history (my opinion of course). The black album is a million times better in terms of production and mix. As every metallica fan's little hero Jason even said, the bass is finally heard.
doublestrokeroll true that. Even though Justice is my favorite, the black album sounds great. But imagine Justice with the production of the black album. Now that would be amassing.
doublestrokeroll I think the main weakness of the Justice album is the drum sound. Yes it's unique sounding but it sounds very "garage" sounding. The bass is a given. ST anger, again the drums were the main issue. It's true that Master of Puppets had mostly everything right. Good guitars,drums and bass, vocals. And thats what the Black album did. The guitars on Justice were so good it made up for everything else on the album. So all they really had to do was make the drums better and mix it better for the Black album.
@@Salomon_G Enter Sandman? Sad But True? The Unforgiven? Wherever i May Roam? other than NEM Metallica´s black album content was far from radio and mainstream and even NEM was far too long for fuck say
An international sound guy I know ran into Lars at a bar in Louisville after a show on the And Justice tour. He asked him, "so what's next for Metallica?" Lars responded: "World domination. I want everyone to know who Metallica is."
@@D_2387 and then they thought long n hard on what to do next and concluded that AJFA was the maximum level for the direction they have been going since the last 3 albums it was the hardest and fastest they ever played and and so they didn't have much more to prove to themselves the ultimate metallica thrash album was already made so they chose to go in a different direction and tried to do something not faster but heavier, and with that goal set for the next album they went and dropped perhaps the most heaviest album in 1991. And you wonder why load n reload "sucks" which direction would you go if you somehow release your peak performance twice in a row in different directions whats next for you to prove?
Sometimes the evolution is adapting to the times. A justice album would not fly in 1996 so they did something different with Load to stay relevant. I dont think that was purely organic evolution.
Don't understand why some people still believe that an album with songs about cot death, self loathing, mental illness, blasphemy and sacrilege is "commercial"... it even has a pro-war song on there. It's a very dark and twisted album.
Non of the songs are about blasphemy or sacrilege, dumbass! The God that failed is about his parents dying from not receiving medical attention from cancer.
It's so silly and immature, in hindsight, that so many "fans" and metalheads shit on Bob for years and years (some still do to this day). Saying he "ruined" Metallica, that he "took over and changed" the band, etc. When that was never, ever, ever true. That's not what a producer (a GOOD producer) does, or even has the power to really do. Metallica came to HIM, and said "We want to make a simple, BIG record". And he helped them do just that. If they had come to him and said "We want to make Justice Pt. 2, but better", he would have helped them do THAT. But the Black Album is what they wanted. And he helped them make one of the best metal/rock albums in music history.
Yeah, if you pretend Sad But True, Nothing Else Matters, Wherever I May Roam and Don't Tread on Me don't exist, it really is one of the best albums in music history.
It's true, the sound that Metallica had on The Black Album was not mainstream at the time. No one had actually heard that sound before TBA, because there never was an album that sounded like it before it came out. They just said hey here's OUR sound, and then then mainstream got onboard with it. If they were just trying to chase the mainstream they would have made whatever was popular in early 1990, and what was on the radio then was definitely was NOT what TBA sounded like.
i still come to this channel after everything . i remember the last time i talked to him years ago and i mentioned that he was the only one who had the sad but true guitar track on TH-cam. blew my mind when i first heard it
Fact: NOBODY when this album released questioned Metallica's "heaviness". People fucking loved it. It wasn't until much later that people started crapping on it online, and then it just spread, as hate often does.
James said they didn’t want to keep having to out-thrash themselves with each album, and I totally get that. Imagine having to make an album better than Justice, then an album better than that, then one better than that, and so on. It would be very stressful and tiring. Ultimately this was the right decision to make.
People forget that Metallica never was, or wanted to be, just a thrash band. They showed that as early as the Ride The Lightning record when they recorded Fade To Black, and were criticized as sellouts at the time, which is insane. The same people who criticize Metallica for the Black Album, are the same people who would have criticized Led Zeppelin for the direction their third album took. Some bands are content to play the same style forever, but others,like LZ and Metallica, want to be more diverse and play whatever the hell they feel like playing.
You can get a big sound, polished sound... whatever you call it. But arrangement is another story and all those songs were arranged in a way that many more people would embrace. It was done intentionally or not. But tempo-wise they could have produced an album similar to MoP while reviewing their sound and what not. Whether they agree or not, that particular album is the reason MetallicA got bigger and eventually, yes, went mainstream. This might not have been done intentionally, yet it was inevitable. BTW, I really enjoy Black Album in its entirety, while I think they went mainstream with Load and Re-Load actually. Though, I'm glad they got a bit closer to their roots recently with HTSD. With a little shorter and faster songs combined with their new sound, I believe they'll do an epic finale in their career and we'll all live happily ever after. =)
To make it clear, MoP can also be called as a sell-out album when you reference more extreme/underground acts in metal scene. I'm saying that all this debate is a bit gray area and relative to each person.
I m thrash Metal guy,I just dont know what u fellow fans are complaining about.This sure as hell is not Thrash Metal but its an album,I as a Metallica fan would like to trasure.The 'Palm Mute' sounds really is epic.It has so much energy in it.
The album cost over 1 million dollars to produce back in the early 90's. That should give you an idea of what the record label was expecting from the band at this point. i.e mainstream success.
Lars does actually say, on the, Year and a half....video, that they wanted to, "Fuck with arena rock ". Fleming Rasmussen was kept on a retainer if things didn't work out with Bob, but the rest as they say is history.
Just got done watching the Scuzz interview with Jason where he mentions having to do a Black Album recap for a film crew and how during the recording is where he knew he wanted to leave the band. Is this it?
Metallica is awesome and Bob just made sure the sauce was better than ever before, my favorite metallica album is actually Master but the black album is a close second it has some amazing moments on it yo cant deny its special throughout
Shit, I wish any garage rock band could be mainstream nowadays. Metallica being mainstream in 2020 would be a dream. Rock is in the gutter... I hope a new cycle will start soon and keep this mumble sludge shit away from our ears.
I played the Black Album songs sometimes to what people can call "mainstream" music going guys, they just find it scary and way too heavy, with exception on NEM wich they find way too long. They right, calling the Black Album mainstream is and out of ass expretion that a minority of hardcore fans called the Band back in 91´and actually been calling them since the KEA days (that is true).
don't care what anyone says, i'd have no problem if metallica made every album with same production as black album.. well actually they kind of stuck with that sound carried over to load and re-load..
All metallica members are gifted with a tremendous present, no doubt. However when you look at the last albums it is makes obvious that how important a good producer is. If metallica is metallica today, because they worked with special producers in earlier albums.
Well even thou the Black is not a thrash metal record it is a masterpiece of all the metal repertoire and defined a generation, set the standard for the sound of a metal record, heavy wall of panned guitars with a certain tone, a powerful bass below it properly mixed and not buried, metallic and almost mechanized sounding drums and heavy balls out vocals. Not even counting that it generated Vulgar Display Of Power as a response.
So as we all know the black alum was very commercially successful. At a point people consider Metallica selling out. However, what do you think would happen if Metallica stayed the same and instead of the black album as we know they would make another thrash album. Justice is the thrashiest yet somewhat technically complex as it could get (let’s be honest, aside from speed, thrash isn’t hard, except for the solos). Compare then to slayer where the literally did the same thing over and over again (I love slayer, but aside form workout music I wouldn’t hear them). Let alone, the commercial success opened up a lot of new fans to the metal world. Slayer, more specifically King, should be thankful to the fact they did that album. The commercial success made sure metal would still be alive to some extent.
To be honest, solos wouldn't work at all with St. Anger's album concept, solos at that time were considered lame for some reason too, and it's not like Kirk could produce any type of cool solos anyway 😂😂😂
People thinking that their heroes can’t grow up like it’s wrong. Like they gonna stay 16-20 in their 50’s that would be so much more wrong and akward to some degree
Also, I think Kirk Hammet might have created Neo Metal with those gurgling highpitch guitarsounds in Sad but true chorus, Korn and Limp Bizkit later used those almost as a signature.
Before you say the guitars sound like shit... That's how they are supposed to sound in a mix to take up space. Once other tracks from other instruments are on it the hiss goes away.
The black album was their most mainstream album. You can't go five seconds anywhere in a conversation with someone who pretends to be a Metallica fan and have them not say Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters are their favorite song. It's always those two.
Gene Simmons said it best " any artist that tells you they are in it for the music, and not for money, are Lying" With that said Metallica are the Best metal band or the Planet !
The demos for the black album were almost completely written before bob was even on board. Thats been confirmed by both metallica and rock. That he made them become more commercial or whatever is simply an ignorant rewriting of history. It is simply not true..
I don’t really see it as Metallica going mainstream. Metallica invented the sound that ended up going mainstream that everyone associated with their mainstream sound.
Metallica not mainstream? Pre black album -- yes. From the black album onwards -- hell no! They were mainstream as fuck after the black album broke them into the masses and sold like hotcakes. People that ordinarily would never have thought about buying a Metallica album all of the sudden bought that album. Metallica became a band bigger than its hardcore fan base. You started hearing the band on FM radio, and preppy college kids started buying their records, which hardly ever happened prior to the black album. Hands-down, that album was a turning point for the band that changed them from a band with a cult following to a mainstream arena act. Plus, why did they ditch the faster, thrash tempos on that album? If the objective was to get a big sound without going mainstream, why did they lose the speed element in favor of mostly mid-tempo and slow songs? Why did the use more acoustic guitars, keyboards and string orchestras? For a band that started out as thrash metal, it was like they morphed into a totally different band, and they haven't been able to re-capture that full-on thrash sound ever again. Sorry pal, but gone is the band that created such great thrash masterpieces as Kill 'Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets and And Justice for All. Compare those records (for which a grand total of 1 video was ever made) to everything from the black album onwards, and the results speak for themselves.
Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and ..And Justice for All all had acoustic guitar tracks. All 3 of those albums each only had 2 or 3 "fast" songs out of 8-9 tracks. The intro to Fade to Black sounds like it has some orchestration or strings on it as well. In fact, the only album that really fully meets your criteria for "Thrash" was Kill 'Em All (which Dave Mustaine wrote a quite large chunk of).
Dude,I'm a fan of thrash/heavy metal,but a lot of the thrash fans are narrow minded,and you sound like one of them.Metallica made the black album and showed everyone that they are more than a thrash band.So if it's not thrash it's not music?I don't understand that way of thinking.There is good music and there is bad music.The genre is a secondary thing.What's wrong in using acoustic guitar?Bigger instrument variation only shows that they understand music a lot better than some bands that make the same album over and over.And they sold out arenas before the Black album.They got the critics and media attention with Puppets and Justice.I don't know why some people think they were an unknown,underground band before '91.The Damaged Justice tour was huge.
Metallica were getting bashed for going "mainstream" back in 1984 when they had an acoustic guitar on 'Fade to Black' for the 'Ride the Lightning' album. Go and read what Cliff Burton said about "selling out" at the time. Basically he said- "whatever". Or "Yeah we sold out, at every concert!" (That might have been Kirk. I can't remember.)
so? why is mainstream considered bad? I mean what's the bad into while waiting in a queue at a store or at mcdonalds instead of listening fuckstin bieber listening to enter sandman?
Black Album was the album that Metallica became a rock band, at that point they sounded like just another rock album. They had no heart in there music anymore, now it was just about the cash. Compare tracks like Metal Militia and Ride the Lightning to tracks like Cyanide and Of Wolf and Man, you'll find that the music from earlier albums had more raw energy and heart than the later stuff which was just soulless mainstream crap.
Well, if it's not thrash that doesn't mean it's not music! Black album and albums that came after have a lot of feel and heart and i know what i'm saying! Anyway, everyone has his own opinion!
Anyone who blames bob for the "ruin" of Metallica clearly does not know what a producer actually does
he knew how to make sonic records, meaning he knew what the radio liked at the time. i mean the black album was ahead of its time, 1991? more like 1997 or somthing
Exactly right...I've been saying this for years....
problem is most music fans have no fucking clue how a record is really made.
And bull fucking shit he "couldn't be fired" The band didn't "let him win"...lol...give me a fucking break. This is fucking metallica. James and Lars are fucking nazi's when it comes to their sound and what they release.
Of course rock suggests ideas but rock does not write the songs. He produces what the band gives him. Suggests different arrangements, parts here and there etc...and then gets them a tone they like.
People who whine about rock don't seem to understand he didn't write the music. This IS the direction metallica WANTED to go in. Not a direction Rock gave them. They were sick of the multi time, multi change 20 different things in one song, format they had done for basically a decade and 4 albums prior to that. They WANTED to go more "straight ahead."
And let's be real here......Justice may have way better songs than the black album, but Justice sounds like absolute shit. One of the worst produced major albums in history (my opinion of course). The black album is a million times better in terms of production and mix. As every metallica fan's little hero Jason even said, the bass is finally heard.
doublestrokeroll true that. Even though Justice is my favorite, the black album sounds great. But imagine Justice with the production of the black album. Now that would be amassing.
exactly....
Hell...I'd take Justice with the production of any of the first three......
I might even take it with St. Anger production....lol...
doublestrokeroll I think the main weakness of the Justice album is the drum sound. Yes it's unique sounding but it sounds very "garage" sounding. The bass is a given.
ST anger, again the drums were the main issue. It's true that Master of Puppets had mostly everything right. Good guitars,drums and bass, vocals. And thats what the Black album did. The guitars on Justice were so good it made up for everything else on the album. So all they really had to do was make the drums better and mix it better for the Black album.
It went 'mainstream' cos it's so fucking good. Simple!
Señor Romántico - Justice is a better record songwriting wise, compared to MOP.
Word
That guitarsound on Sad but true is bloody epic killer.
The black album went mainstream but it wasn't on purpose. hell, would you write a song called "the god that failed" for your mainstream album?
Apparently yes!
Yes! .... Yes I would!
@@Salomon_G Enter Sandman? Sad But True? The Unforgiven? Wherever i May Roam? other than NEM Metallica´s black album content was far from radio and mainstream and even NEM was far too long for fuck say
An international sound guy I know ran into Lars at a bar in Louisville after a show on the And Justice tour. He asked him, "so what's next for Metallica?" Lars responded: "World domination. I want everyone to know who Metallica is."
@@D_2387 and then they thought long n hard on what to do next and concluded that AJFA was the maximum level for the direction they have been going since the last 3 albums it was the hardest and fastest they ever played and and so they didn't have much more to prove to themselves the ultimate metallica thrash album was already made so they chose to go in a different direction and tried to do something not faster but heavier, and with that goal set for the next album they went and dropped perhaps the most heaviest album in 1991. And you wonder why load n reload "sucks" which direction would you go if you somehow release your peak performance twice in a row in different directions whats next for you to prove?
Metallica had to evolve eventually. Get over it.
True, EVen tough, i always find the Black Album more in the Range of their fisrt 4 albums than anything that came later
lucky dominguez now that I think about it it is. it's still semi related to the first four albums.
I always find it like a Heavy Metal/Thrash Metal Rooted album, very influenced by MoP and the late Cliff Burton
Sometimes the evolution is adapting to the times. A justice album would not fly in 1996 so they did something different with Load to stay relevant. I dont think that was purely organic evolution.
True. Some bands changed the sound back in the 90s not only Metallica.
these little things is what made black album so damn good
Don't understand why some people still believe that an album with songs about cot death, self loathing, mental illness, blasphemy and sacrilege is "commercial"... it even has a pro-war song on there. It's a very dark and twisted album.
Valentino Scaramanga best metallica lyrics are there
Non of the songs are about blasphemy or sacrilege, dumbass! The God that failed is about his parents dying from not receiving medical attention from cancer.
Which one is pro-war, Don't Tread On Me?
@@MrParkerman6 That inspired the lyrics, but if without context is straigth up Blasphemy and in 91 sacrilege ( Oh 90´s jokes)
@@gwiltl yes. It is more of a "if you try to attack or oppress me, then we will bite back".
It's so silly and immature, in hindsight, that so many "fans" and metalheads shit on Bob for years and years (some still do to this day). Saying he "ruined" Metallica, that he "took over and changed" the band, etc. When that was never, ever, ever true. That's not what a producer (a GOOD producer) does, or even has the power to really do. Metallica came to HIM, and said "We want to make a simple, BIG record". And he helped them do just that. If they had come to him and said "We want to make Justice Pt. 2, but better", he would have helped them do THAT. But the Black Album is what they wanted.
And he helped them make one of the best metal/rock albums in music history.
Yeah, if you pretend Sad But True, Nothing Else Matters, Wherever I May Roam and Don't Tread on Me don't exist, it really is one of the best albums in music history.
You forgot to mention the crappy albums that came after
If it wasn't for Bob rock commercial success would have been bevis and butthead wearing metallica shirts only.
It's true, the sound that Metallica had on The Black Album was not mainstream at the time. No one had actually heard that sound before TBA, because there never was an album that sounded like it before it came out. They just said hey here's OUR sound, and then then mainstream got onboard with it. If they were just trying to chase the mainstream they would have made whatever was popular in early 1990, and what was on the radio then was definitely was NOT what TBA sounded like.
i still come to this channel after everything . i remember the last time i talked to him years ago and i mentioned that he was the only one who had the sad but true guitar track on TH-cam. blew my mind when i first heard it
Nigel 1990 It's creepy
Wait so you knew the guy who quit this TH-cam channel?
The guitars on the Black Album are fucking insane
Mesa Mark V boii
Master Justice and black album all Mesa boogie
Fact: NOBODY when this album released questioned Metallica's "heaviness". People fucking loved it. It wasn't until much later that people started crapping on it online, and then it just spread, as hate often does.
That’s why my dad says too, can’t remember even hearing the sell out thing when the only thing he heard in the radio was sandman
James said they didn’t want to keep having to out-thrash themselves with each album, and I totally get that. Imagine having to make an album better than Justice, then an album better than that, then one better than that, and so on. It would be very stressful and tiring. Ultimately this was the right decision to make.
People say _Nevermind_ changed music, but did The Black Album brought down the Soviet Union.
1:02 guitar sound
1:43 palm misting sound
People forget that Metallica never was, or wanted to be, just a thrash band. They showed that as early as the Ride The Lightning record when they recorded Fade To Black, and were criticized as sellouts at the time, which is insane.
The same people who criticize Metallica for the Black Album, are the same people who would have criticized Led Zeppelin for the direction their third album took. Some bands are content to play the same style forever, but others,like LZ and Metallica, want to be more diverse and play whatever the hell they feel like playing.
You can get a big sound, polished sound... whatever you call it. But arrangement is another story and all those songs were arranged in a way that many more people would embrace.
It was done intentionally or not. But tempo-wise they could have produced an album similar to MoP while reviewing their sound and what not.
Whether they agree or not, that particular album is the reason MetallicA got bigger and eventually, yes, went mainstream. This might not have been done intentionally, yet it was inevitable.
BTW, I really enjoy Black Album in its entirety, while I think they went mainstream with Load and Re-Load actually.
Though, I'm glad they got a bit closer to their roots recently with HTSD. With a little shorter and faster songs combined with their new sound, I believe they'll do an epic finale in their career and we'll all live happily ever after. =)
To make it clear, MoP can also be called as a sell-out album when you reference more extreme/underground acts in metal scene. I'm saying that all this debate is a bit gray area and relative to each person.
It's a great commercial/mainstream album. Why do people have trouble admitting this?
Bob Rock is a God-Send, I Love him ❤❤
How Bob did do the mix all of their individual parts sound amazing.
hands down greatest metal guitar tone ever!!!
I m thrash Metal guy,I just dont know what u fellow fans are complaining about.This sure as hell is not Thrash Metal but its an album,I as a Metallica fan would like to trasure.The 'Palm Mute' sounds really is epic.It has so much energy in it.
This 'Black' album discussion will/could go on forever.....it's now 2020😧😩
Metallica brought metal to mainstream crowds that would not normally be interested in metal. That’s awesome in my opinion
Black is still a Heavy Metal Album, just not a Thrash Album. It's Load forward that isn't even Metal.
I agree
Load is still metal
The album cost over 1 million dollars to produce back in the early 90's. That should give you an idea of what the record label was expecting from the band at this point. i.e mainstream success.
Best sounding Tallica album. Get over it. Haters gonna hate.
Lars does actually say, on the, Year and a half....video, that they wanted to, "Fuck with arena rock ".
Fleming Rasmussen was kept on a retainer if things didn't work out with Bob, but the rest as they say is history.
Just got done watching the Scuzz interview with Jason where he mentions having to do a Black Album recap for a film crew and how during the recording is where he knew he wanted to leave the band. Is this it?
Metallica is awesome and Bob just made sure the sauce was better than ever before, my favorite metallica album is actually Master but the black album is a close second it has some amazing moments on it yo cant deny its special throughout
bob rock was the best thing that ever happened to them.
Hard to believe the day this was filmed.. Jason gave his resignation because James wasn't ok with the Echobrain project.. period Jason's own words
What's the tone structure for Nothing Else Matters solo at 8:50+? I've never been able to get the tone right but can play the solo. Is there any wah?
I don't think there's any wah-wah on that song at all. James plays the solo.
Use your bridge pick up
The only think out of the ordinary that he uses is na ebow to keep the guitar sustaining
Emg 60 in the neck with a tiny roll off on the guitar tone will get you ball park
No, he (James wrote the strip g parts with an E bow, he didn't actually use one on the recording of the song for the guitar.
They should make a remix of "Enter Sandman". The bass could then be thicker.
Shit, I wish any garage rock band could be mainstream nowadays.
Metallica being mainstream in 2020 would be a dream.
Rock is in the gutter...
I hope a new cycle will start soon and keep this mumble sludge shit away from our ears.
I played the Black Album songs sometimes to what people can call "mainstream" music going guys, they just find it scary and way too heavy, with exception on NEM wich they find way too long. They right, calling the Black Album mainstream is and out of ass expretion that a minority of hardcore fans called the Band back in 91´and actually been calling them since the KEA days (that is true).
don't care what anyone says, i'd have no problem if metallica made every album with same production as black album.. well actually they kind of stuck with that sound carried over to load and re-load..
Epic solo in the Unforgiven
Man this incredible, clarity in sound wow
Some "die-hard" fans wanted Metallica to record in a shitty garage for the rest of their lives
I see you
All metallica members are gifted with a tremendous present, no doubt. However when you look at the last albums it is makes obvious that how important a good producer is.
If metallica is metallica today, because they worked with special producers in earlier albums.
They should've never gotten away from Bob Rock.
Lars Ulrich: He focking left the band
Well even thou the Black is not a thrash metal record it is a masterpiece of all the metal repertoire and defined a generation, set the standard for the sound of a metal record, heavy wall of panned guitars with a certain tone, a powerful bass below it properly mixed and not buried, metallic and almost mechanized sounding drums and heavy balls out vocals.
Not even counting that it generated Vulgar Display Of Power as a response.
The sound on this album is definitely HUGE!!
So as we all know the black alum was very commercially successful. At a point people consider Metallica selling out.
However, what do you think would happen if Metallica stayed the same and instead of the black album as we know they would make another thrash album. Justice is the thrashiest yet somewhat technically complex as it could get (let’s be honest, aside from speed, thrash isn’t hard, except for the solos). Compare then to slayer where the literally did the same thing over and over again (I love slayer, but aside form workout music I wouldn’t hear them). Let alone, the commercial success opened up a lot of new fans to the metal world. Slayer, more specifically King, should be thankful to the fact they did that album. The commercial success made sure metal would still be alive to some extent.
You shouldn't blame Bob for making Metallica reach new heights will the Black Album but you can blame him for suggesting no guitar solos on St. Anger.
To be honest, solos wouldn't work at all with St. Anger's album concept, solos at that time were considered lame for some reason too, and it's not like Kirk could produce any type of cool solos anyway 😂😂😂
There is Metallica 1983-1988 and Metallica after that. They do not have much in common. Take your pick.
God damn that's such a great tone
james tone during nothing else matters solo sounds like Slash's sweet child o mine tone
Can anyone tell me where this clip is from?
Type into youtube Classic Albums: The Black Album. You are welcome!
I don't blame Bob Rock for ruining Metallica. They hired him to do what he does and he did it.
Another case for Nominative determinism,.. Bob Rock
I hope Bob is the producer for the next album!
Suddenly, no
I don’t mind the black album. It’s everything they did after the black album that pisses me off. Load and reload suck in my opinion
cullen cavanaugh Have you hear them? they really grow on me, i love them. Give them a chance. Good albums.
Load and especially Reload are awesome albums, don't know what the hell albums you are listening to.
People thinking that their heroes can’t grow up like it’s wrong. Like they gonna stay 16-20 in their 50’s that would be so much more wrong and akward to some degree
from 86-93 you could argue they were FULL mainstream though
0:26 "HA HA!"
Also, I think Kirk Hammet might have created Neo Metal with those gurgling highpitch guitarsounds in Sad but true chorus, Korn and Limp Bizkit later used those almost as a signature.
That was James actually
@@EivindFalken yeah, even though it's the lead bit, it sounds nothing like Kirk.
say what you want about the song writing, but the black album is hands down the best produced/best sounding metallica album
Lars Ulrich (and Bob Rock) fills in the blanks..
When you sell out any venue that you want to, you're mainstream. . . .
Before you say the guitars sound like shit... That's how they are supposed to sound in a mix to take up space. Once other tracks from other instruments are on it the hiss goes away.
people dislike the guitar tone? its like the best heavy metal tone ever
Was Bob Rock the reason their logo looked shit for quite sometime?
Wow man ..you have masive music collection!
Thanks for sharing !:)
5:20 thanks for that lol. It will be way easier to learn properly
The black album was their most mainstream album. You can't go five seconds anywhere in a conversation with someone who pretends to be a Metallica fan and have them not say Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters are their favorite song. It's always those two.
Gene Simmons said it best " any artist that tells you they are in it for the music, and not for money, are Lying"
With that said Metallica are the Best metal band or the Planet !
Does Bob rock remind anybody else of David St hubbins?
The demos for the black album were almost completely written before bob was even on board. Thats been confirmed by both metallica and rock. That he made them become more commercial or whatever is simply an ignorant rewriting of history. It is simply not true..
Oh well if bob says it…
Uh 1 question.... If say megadeth or slayer sold alot more cds than metallica would everyone call THEM sellouts?? ....uh yea...
You're fucking with the neverland.
I don’t really see it as Metallica going mainstream. Metallica invented the sound that ended up going mainstream that everyone associated with their mainstream sound.
It's me or it's slower than the original ?
I love Metallica.
AMAZING TONE
nuff said
Metallica rules! Fuck the haters! 🖕🏻🦾
The only album without bass is AJFA. They would have never turned Cliff down in the mix.
Where's the bass
0:26 James Likey!
That is the nastiest guitar tone I've heard in my life
awesome! if own those new fractal amps you could use this vid to capture the tone.I'm gonna save some money and get one. check em out!
wait... where's the "proof" part?
Impossible.
Its the album that made me a fan then came LOAD uuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
Elegant blue :)
His voice is so low.
Ruined the music! Good for the new fans, but they expanded my horizons and the Black album made good toilet paper!
I mean no one forced you to listen to it...
yes
This album is a masterpiece
@Tyronebamf
The lyrics may be alright but I'm talking about metallica's music
It's just dull
Metallica not mainstream? Pre black album -- yes. From the black album onwards -- hell no! They were mainstream as fuck after the black album broke them into the masses and sold like hotcakes. People that ordinarily would never have thought about buying a Metallica album all of the sudden bought that album. Metallica became a band bigger than its hardcore fan base. You started hearing the band on FM radio, and preppy college kids started buying their records, which hardly ever happened prior to the black album. Hands-down, that album was a turning point for the band that changed them from a band with a cult following to a mainstream arena act. Plus, why did they ditch the faster, thrash tempos on that album? If the objective was to get a big sound without going mainstream, why did they lose the speed element in favor of mostly mid-tempo and slow songs? Why did the use more acoustic guitars, keyboards and string orchestras? For a band that started out as thrash metal, it was like they morphed into a totally different band, and they haven't been able to re-capture that full-on thrash sound ever again. Sorry pal, but gone is the band that created such great thrash masterpieces as Kill 'Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master Of Puppets and And Justice for All. Compare those records (for which a grand total of 1 video was ever made) to everything from the black album onwards, and the results speak for themselves.
Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and ..And Justice for All all had acoustic guitar tracks. All 3 of those albums each only had 2 or 3 "fast" songs out of 8-9 tracks. The intro to Fade to Black sounds like it has some orchestration or strings on it as well. In fact, the only album that really fully meets your criteria for "Thrash" was Kill 'Em All (which Dave Mustaine wrote a quite large chunk of).
Dude,I'm a fan of thrash/heavy metal,but a lot of the thrash fans are narrow minded,and you sound like one of them.Metallica made the black album and showed everyone that they are more than a thrash band.So if it's not thrash it's not music?I don't understand that way of thinking.There is good music and there is bad music.The genre is a secondary thing.What's wrong in using acoustic guitar?Bigger instrument variation only shows that they understand music a lot better than some bands that make the same album over and over.And they sold out arenas before the Black album.They got the critics and media attention with Puppets and Justice.I don't know why some people think they were an unknown,underground band before '91.The Damaged Justice tour was huge.
Metallica were getting bashed for going "mainstream" back in 1984 when they had an acoustic guitar on 'Fade to Black' for the 'Ride the Lightning' album. Go and read what Cliff Burton said about "selling out" at the time. Basically he said- "whatever". Or "Yeah we sold out, at every concert!" (That might have been Kirk. I can't remember.)
so? why is mainstream considered bad? I mean what's the bad into while waiting in a queue at a store or at mcdonalds instead of listening fuckstin bieber listening to enter sandman?
you again ? xd :P
Black Album was the album that Metallica became a rock band, at that point they sounded like just another rock album. They had no heart in there music anymore, now it was just about the cash. Compare tracks like Metal Militia and Ride the Lightning to tracks like Cyanide and Of Wolf and Man, you'll find that the music from earlier albums had more raw energy and heart than the later stuff which was just soulless mainstream crap.
Well, if it's not thrash that doesn't mean it's not music!
Black album and albums that came after have a lot of feel and heart and i know what i'm saying!
Anyway, everyone has his own opinion!
Salty stereotyped metalhead 😂
Black Album was the last good thing Metallica did.
black album is great, ... rest shit ... death magnetic is good, but not reaches first 5
Barritoneeeee
James hetfield=Metallica
@shreddintheaxe
I know that
I'm saying if you are so blind as to think that Mehtallica is the best band ever, you are NOT a metal head
Reckon you probably regret your childish comment now
my fav metallica album anyway so yeah